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Duel Core phones

I am sure you all have read articles like this one
http://androidandme.com/2010/09/phones/lg-to-deliver-first-dual-core-android-smartphones-in-q4/
I know it has been asked since the release of the PSX4droid if a PS2 (or possibly a game cube) emulator would be possible on our android phones. Of course we do not currently have that capability.
However with the advent of these new dual core phones I am wondering if these would be possible. Let's just hope someone other than Zodttd makes a port so it is supported. I also wonder if the extra core would make some games which are unplayable on the PSX4droid playable.

Which cores are dueling?

Cpu 1 vs Cpu 2 Who will win this fight?
U mean Dual Core and we can play PSx Games on our Desires!
And this Answer your question in future we can play PSX Games because we can do it right now ;-)

I wonder what effect dual CPU's will have on the battery life?

gtg465x said:
Which cores are dueling?
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That was my first question too
Well.. yeah.. battery would be interesting..
But I thought I heard Samsung would be the first to release them.. and.. as I think 1Ghz by now is quite fast.. I wonder about GPU improvements..

xtcislove said:
Cpu 1 vs Cpu 2 Who will win this fight?
U mean Dual Core and we can play PSx Games on our Desires!
And this Answer your question in future we can play PSX Games because we can do it right now ;-)
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Ps1 games somewhat work. You cant beat any of the Final Fantasy series without using a PC at some point
I am interested if a PS2 will work though as well.

PMDColeslaw said:
I wonder what effect dual CPU's will have on the battery life?
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Samsung's Dual Core CPU will have a good battery life they said. As when there ain't much to do, both cores ain't gonna be running.

Samsung Moment OC'd to 1.06!

You think we can get this on the G1?
http://bit.ly/cNzpfv

Original Android <3ers! said:
You think we can get this on the G1?
http://bit.ly/cNzpfv
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simple answer: nope

RandumAccess said:
simple answer: nope
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Something ive learned with g1 dev, never say "nope", way to many times stuff which had been said impossible has been done.
But
1) OP do you know what you can over clock your g1 (not to 1 ghz though)
2) whats the full clock speed of the cpu 4 the moment?

asb123 said:
Something ive learned with g1 dev, never say "nope", way to many times stuff which had been said impossible has been done.
But
1) OP do you know what you can over clock your g1 (not to 1 ghz though)
2) whats the full clock speed of the cpu 4 the moment?
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Sorry but really? Are you being at all serious?
A processor clocked at 384mhz (g1) being overclocked to over a gig? What you gonna use to keep it cool? Liquid nitrogen?

true that... even at 576 mhz it gets way too hot while using wifi... besides, the phone just locks up when you go over 650 mhz or so. i have tried. i dont think it can handle it.

shadowch31 said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Sorry but really? Are you being at all serious?
A processor clocked at 384mhz (g1) being overclocked to over a gig? What you gonna use to keep it cool? Liquid nitrogen?
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Reread what you quoted. He said you can't do that.

ummm... i have mine at 825mhz
its possible, but not yet

bestofrhcp said:
ummm... I have mine at 825mhz
its possible, but not yet
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this guy just treated all of your lives! I love you bestofrhcp!

The thing is the moment runs at 800 Mhz stock so 1006-800= 200 Mhz overclock, or a 25% overclock. Our G1's were built for 385, but I've gotten mine stable up to 729, so an 89% overclock. Granted, the CPU inside the G1 was designed for 528 but HTC underclocked it for battery purposes, so it's only a 38% overclock. The samsung moment has a really crappy samsung chip (pre-hummingbird), but it should be able to squeeze out a few more mhz. I don't have much hope for anything more than 729 on our phones, at least not without an overvolt kernel and some sort of liquid cooling system.

Processor Qualcomm® MSM7201A™, 528 MHz

I am really getting sick of all the overclocking nonsense.
There is MORE TO SPEED THAN CLOCK RATE!!!!
You can clock these CPUs as fast as you want, but the overall effect on performance will be measurably negligible. You may, at most, THINK that it is faster when in fact, it is NOT.

lbcoder said:
I am really getting sick of all the overclocking nonsense.
There is MORE TO SPEED THAN CLOCK RATE!!!!
You can clock these CPUs as fast as you want, but the overall effect on performance will be measurably negligible. You may, at most, THINK that it is faster when in fact, it is NOT.
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Hehe It might be placebo but Raging Thunder 2 is MUCH more playable at 700 Mhz than at 528.
It is true that there is more to speed than clock rate, I'm not going to argue about that. A Core 2 due at 3.3 Ghz doesn't compare to a Core i3 at 2.2 Ghz, since the core i3 has more cores and is a more efficient platform. But a Core i3 at 1.6 Ghz in a netbook won't compare to a Core i3 at 2.4 Ghz in a desktop. Clock speed can make a big difference in performance. You can optimize all you want but using brute force helps out. Of course I only overclock when I want to play some 3D racing games and I'm close to a power source. I usually run it at 352 or 480.

bestofrhcp said:
ummm... i have mine at 825mhz
its possible, but not yet
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Can you cook bacon on it?
1ghz would probably fry the whole motherboard :| What we really need is some ram, which will be no problem when I upgrade.

bestofrhcp said:
ummm... i have mine at 825mhz
its possible, but not yet
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Why would you want to OC that much, I'm sure your battery last all of about 4 hours tops

Quadrant Scores - Seem low?

I just got my Zoom and I have had other tablets, so Im not totally new to rooting/etc and Ive been reading the Overclock thread in development and my quadrant scores at 1GHZ is 1722 and at 1500 (setcpu) its 2211. In the thread, people report 22xx at stock 1GHz speed and arouns 28xx with the overclock.
Any ideas why my scores are much lower?
Thanks

I wouldn't worry about Quadrant scores, ever.
If the Xoom is fast at tasks, it's fast at tasks, the end.

Good point ... Ill have to check it out in a few games and see how it goes.
Thanks

I agree that benchmarks in general and Quadrant specifically aren't what matters, but my Xoom wifi got 1892. So, scores can be all over the place.

My Xoom scores over 3000 at 1500mhz on my Xoom... it means nothing.

an oc'ed archos 101 running on ext4 at 1200mhz can reach 2900. but it's real world performance is far from what the xoom can do... excluding video playback - the archos can do high profile 720p with ac3 5.1.

The stock score, was that before or after setcpu? If it was after, then it must be on the MIN/MAX settings and/or the governor settings you're using. Mine scores 2300+ stock as well.. I have the 3G verizon version..
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The lower score was with SetCPU on the stock 1GHz, and my second score was with SetCPU at 1500. At the 1500 settings I seem to be scoring what most do at stock, which is why I was curious.
Its quick overall, but to test a HEavy Flash Site I hit Disney.com with Dolphin and its a bit slow to load up, but I have to assume thats the Flash Issue.
I do love this Xoom (Wifi Version)

PensFan66 said:
The lower score was with SetCPU on the stock 1GHz, and my second score was with SetCPU at 1500. At the 1500 settings I seem to be scoring what most do at stock, which is why I was curious.
Its quick overall, but to test a HEavy Flash Site I hit Disney.com with Dolphin and its a bit slow to load up, but I have to assume thats the Flash Issue.
I do love this Xoom (Wifi Version)
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Try rebooting, running Quadrant from a fresh boot with nothing else running... also set the governor to 'Performance,' will likely boost your high score.

CPU won't clock at fullspeed...

Hey guys,
I noticed that there was some lag when i was playing for example Riptide or Shadowgun..then I installed System Panel to monitor my cpu clock speed while i'm playing shadowgun and this is what it showed:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/43585032/2012-04-11_22-52-02.png
This processor runs barely half the speed of what its capable of. this is causing fps drops..
Does anyone have an idea of whats going on there? Are you suffering from the same problem?
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SuperPi seems to stress out the dual core properly:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/43585032/2012-04-11_23-46-52.png
Why don't the games? Is this why the games aren't optimized yet or is this a system-issue?
greets,
ossy1337

Aren't those optimized for the tegra 2/3 or are they readily available apps?

Yes they're tegra optimized but they ran flawlessly on my Galaxy S2..
Hope the games will be optimized in the next few days/weeks

this is a bug in htc kernel .... and we wait for someone to fix it like in HTC Sensation

w1000i said:
this is a bug in htc kernel .... and we wait for someone to fix it like in HTC Sensation
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I think it has more to do with ICS.. the Galaxy Nexus only runs at half clockspeed most of the time as well. Hell when I had mine it ran at the lowest clockspeed the majority of the time, and only when playing N64 could I bump it up to 700mhz. But hey if it's not lagging who cares (in the case of the Nexus)

I installed setcpu and decreased the up threshold to 40% ..before it was on 90% which means that the cpu only clocked up at 90% cpu load.. now it does at 40%. this solved my problem

+1 sounds like the best solution. Battery life may be sacrificed but hey, 90% is pretty ridiculous

If you weren't using tegra based games use shadowgun and riptide. Used the playstore ones you would get no frames drops. Mostly likely chainfire 3d developer would need an one s as it a vastly different from s3 processors. I personally have both on a SamsungGalaxySII with s3 processors with no frame drops. GPU configuration might not play nice with Krait.
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Is the Adreno 225 GPU up to the task?

Since we dont have the Tegra 3 Geoforce GPU for the fancy gaming, how is the new Adreno 225 handling high end games? Im interested to see if it plays Modern Combat 3 smoothly since my las phone (HTC Vivid 4.0 ICS) choked making it lag. If anyone has high end / graphically intensive games, please post the name and if it plays smoothly, decent, or lags, so the rest of us has an idea of what to expect. Thanks
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Only benches slightly lower then the tegra3, but with the extra power from the cpu I would say it balances out.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5779/htc-one-x-for-att-review/4

My older evo 3d with the adreno 220 had no problem with modern combat 3.. No lag whatsoever. 225 should be good for that and more
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Loneeagle14 said:
My older evo 3d with the adreno 220 had no problem with modern combat 3.. No lag whatsoever. 225 should be good for that and more
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The 225 and the 220 are basically the exact same, with DirectX support added to the 225. What makes the 225 in the S4 more powerful than the 220 used in many devices such as the evo 3d and the hp touchpad is the higher clock. Thanks to the 28nm process, the adreno can be clocked at 400mhz rather than 266. Nearly double.

ThisWasATriumph said:
The 225 and the 220 are basically the exact same, with DirectX support added to the 225. What makes the 225 in the S4 more powerful than the 220 used in many devices such as the evo 3d and the hp touchpad is the higher clock. Thanks to the 28nm process, the adreno can be clocked at 400mhz rather than 266. Nearly double.
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Soo, at what clock did HTC set adreno 225 at? Cause in S3 adreno 220 could perform at 320MHz, yet HTC underclocked it
Also have u tried playing Tegra 3 version of Shadowgun and Glow ball on it? How was the framerate?

Xdenwarrior said:
Soo, at what clock did HTC set adreno 225 at? Cause in S3 adreno 220 could perform at 320MHz, yet HTC underclocked it
Also have u tried playing Tegra 3 version of Shadowgun and Glow ball on it? How was the framerate?
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I think THD games are blocked in the market from installing on non Tegra devices.

I have played a few high end games and I have had no issues. I had a lot problems with Grand Theft Auto in the past. Some devices I had in the past played it but the game would be slower than it should be. With the LTE One X it played GTA on the highest settings without any issue. I played Ride Racer I think its called with the Jet skies and that played and looked great. Although my Galaxy Nexus played that game great too. I played Shadow Warrior with no problem either.
I'm not sure if I'm going to keep my One X though. It works great but I hate how locked down it is. I was spoiled by my Galaxy Nexus.
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i dont know about everyone else.. but it lags on temple run. fps drops when boosted, significantly.. sometimes when taking a turn it lagged so bad that my directional swipes are not even registered.

Do you think we could compile a list of graphically intensive games to test our handsets with?

tian105 said:
i dont know about everyone else.. but it lags on temple run. fps drops when boosted, significantly.. sometimes when taking a turn it lagged so bad that my directional swipes are not even registered.
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Just played Temple Run for 15 minutes straight, no lag whatsoever. Literally runs as good on my One X as it did on my iPhone 4S.
Modern Combat 3 runs pretty good as well, I have only noticed a couple very very slight stutters in about 2 hours of playing the campaign.

How did you get modern combat running? I can't even download it from market to be denied by the not compatible message lol
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irishnation09 said:
How did you get modern combat running? I can't even download it from market to be denied by the not compatible message lol
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go to www.gameloft.com from your phone. They have MC3, NOVA 2, DH2 and a couple other games.
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jeremyshaw said:
I think THD games are blocked in the market from installing on non Tegra devices.
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Cant u modify the apk file or install directly without use of android market cause im sure I've seen some overclocked Galaxy S2s running them on youtube?!

ThisWasATriumph said:
The 225 and the 220 are basically the exact same, with DirectX support added to the 225. What makes the 225 in the S4 more powerful than the 220 used in many devices such as the evo 3d and the hp touchpad is the higher clock. Thanks to the 28nm process, the adreno can be clocked at 400mhz rather than 266. Nearly double.
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Clocks are only 50% up but memory bandwidth which holding the 220 back is doubled. Meaning in practice the 225 is usually 60% - almost double of the 220 performance. Even my adreno 205 handles all games play with ease. 225 is frankly overkill for existing games at the moment. However the tegra3 and samsungs mali400 are far ahead when comes to decoding flash videos on youtube desktop page. They play 1080p flawlessly while the adreno 225 chokes on 480p.

Xdenwarrior said:
Cant u modify the apk file or install directly without use of android market cause im sure I've seen some overclocked Galaxy S2s running them on youtube?!
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They were probably using Chainfire 3D. It allows you to trick games and the market into thinking you have a tegra.
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I played Modern Combat 3 and had no problems.
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nativestranger said:
Clocks are only 50% up but memory bandwidth which holding the 220 back is doubled. Meaning in practice the 225 is usually 60% - almost double of the 220 performance. Even my adreno 205 handles all games play with ease. 225 is frankly overkill for existing games at the moment. However the tegra3 and samsungs mali400 are far ahead when comes to decoding flash videos on youtube desktop page. They play 1080p flawlessly while the adreno 225 chokes on 480p.
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its not that the 225 cant handle 1080p it sure can its just its just not being utilized properly due to crappy drivers/lack of proper hardware acceleration

joeyzadoe said:
its not that the 225 cant handle 1080p it sure can its just its just not being utilized properly due to crappy drivers/lack of proper hardware acceleration
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It can be due to the reasons you mentioned but it does not really matter. What we want is the end result and its not delivering in terms of flash performance.

nativestranger said:
Clocks are only 50% up but memory bandwidth which holding the 220 back is doubled. Meaning in practice the 225 is usually 60% - almost double of the 220 performance. Even my adreno 205 handles all games play with ease. 225 is frankly overkill for existing games at the moment. However the tegra3 and samsungs mali400 are far ahead when comes to decoding flash videos on youtube desktop page. They play 1080p flawlessly while the adreno 225 chokes on 480p.
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Whaat?? not even 720p videos that my 3 year old Symbian can play - if true then brutal!! it cant be hardware. must be drivers but why didn't anyone complain on this issue yet so that qualcomm hurries on fixing it
@Metalhead can u use Chainfire 3D and report on how well it runs on adreno