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Linux Port for HTC Vox

Hi!
Since last week, I've been working on an usable kernel for the HTC Vox. I guess you've already looked at this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=368014&page=5
More or less, I have a working kernel. I've tested some images against the modified kernel, and both Gpe and Opie get to the welcome screen (without getting stucked). Nothing is really usable, as they're not even compiled for this specific platform (cannot get to compile opie for arm by myself... yet), but as a base, it's not bad at all.
As I've seen on my previous post, there's people interested on this (3300 views make me believe that), what I would want to know is, are there more developers interested on building a linux port for the Vox? Testers will be needed also, but later, when we get to something useful for testing
If you're interested, reply!

Cannot help u develop anything here, but would be a willing tester for it... thoroughly

I'd love to help, but I'm in the middle of moving to a new place and won't have internet most of the time next 2 weeks.
Do you have a Wiki or other place for collaberating? SourceForge perhaps?
I do have a wiki, but upload is no faster than around 80kB/s

In case you haven't seen it, you have a new build of the kernel on the other post, along with links and a little manual to start a graphic environment on the vox.
@barth666, @StefanHamminga
I've been thinking about it, and... I don't know what to do I mean, I think Sourceforge is the best place to dump it all, and it gives us a wiki too. On the other side, here is the xanadux wiki, and maybe it would be a good idea to let sourceforge host the files, and leave the wiki in here with other HTC phones... what do you think?
Oh! For GPIO dumping, the only thing I've seen working is the linwizard project's Haret_Omap.exe (in case you want to try to guess where the damned keys are )
PS: Anyone has an HTC Tornado? I'd love to know if the tornado kernel makes the leds and vibrator flash, I can't find where they are!

biktor_gj said:
PS: Anyone has an HTC Tornado? I'd love to know if the tornado kernel makes the leds and vibrator flash, I can't find where they are!
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I have a tornado (and vox and wings), so tell me what to test

I know from the ml_iPod wiki (I am the admin) that SourceForge is really slow and the Php and Sql versions are old, in case you want to set up something like MediaWiki! You might want to try http://code.google.com/ , it has a built in Wiki and you can host files!
Just a suggestion
Keep up the good work
EDIT: I could even set one up, if you want, but I am not into coding at all!

Hi! Sorry for the delay, but I'm having lots of work this week and I've been unable to keep on with this...
@Walram: On the following days I'll try to build a kernel for you, wich should put all the lights on and makes the phone vibrate until you take the battery out Obviously just for testing, it shouldn't break anything, but I need to know if the originally-made-for-the-tornado vibrator and led drivers actually work on the tornado... Thanks!
@Frauhottelmann
Didn't know that google gave that service too! will look at it this weekend and post back when I have something done with this.. thanks for the feedback!

walram said:
I have a tornado (and vox and wings), so tell me what to test
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Hi!
Ok, here's what I want you to try. If you haven't downloaded it yet, download the Linux Test Image:
http://rapidshare.com/files/93938763/test.zip.html
Then, download the kernel for the tornado:
http://rapidshare.com/files/96145010/kernel_tornado_driver.tar.gz.html
Dump the contents of the first file to the memory card, and then overwrite the file "zImage", with the one from the second link. Run haret, and hit "Run".
It should, at least, boot. If it doesn't, tell me where it gets frozen (could be that you only se some dots on the screen, whatever appears, just tell me )
If it boots, don't stop looking at the leds (charge/bluetooth leds mainly), they should, at least, flash -theorically they should stay on all the time-. It also should vibrate, at least for a quarter of second
I just need to know what it actually does!
Thanks!

So what about a dev-page? Then you don't need to upload it to Rapidshare and you can see the progress better!

Hi frauhottelmann,
I'm going to tell you the truth. I think it would be better if it's you who admins a site for this project than if I do, for various reasons:
1. I started all this thing, but I'm no owner of anything, by now I just hacked four things to make this phone boot a kernel, but no more.
2. I've seen your work at the ml_ipod sourceforge page, and think it's usable, clean, and nice, and I think that's exactly what we would need (even if it's a little slow just as you stated in your previous post). I could make the graphics for the web (I'm quite decent at photoshop), but I have never built a wiki, or a project anywhere else, and I don't know a sh** about it, so that would be another big thing to learn, and for now, I gotta learn more about the linux kernel, and that itself it's huge.
3. I don't think I can handle work, classes, building patches, kernels and bootstrap images and administrate a site, it feels like too much for me
Conclussion? I think it's better to let people do what does better, and I'm quite sure you'll do it better than I, so if you want, it's all yours
PS: In any case, we will need a name for the project, any suggestions?

What I have heard from the ml_iPod developers is that upload to SF is not a nice process either. I still think Google code is better, although it's not as customizable as SF.net. But we could also set up a page on Googlepages (pages.google.com) and then point to the Google code site with the Wiki and downloads!

I can offer my technical know-how (SPL, GPIOs, etc.)
Since I have little time you should ask me precise questions for which I can try to find the answers.

Sorry for the delay...
frauhottelmann said:
What I have heard from the ml_iPod developers is that upload to SF is not a nice process either. I still think Google code is better, although it's not as customizable as SF.net. But we could also set up a page on Googlepages (pages.google.com) and then point to the Google code site with the Wiki and downloads!
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So we can start using google code, and stick with it if it goes well. We can always change the hosting if something goes wrong! About the wiki, the easiest thing is start with google code too, and simply link the xda wiki to it...

i can't code, but i can keep you company maybe
i am here if help is nedeed

But what name do we want to use?
Linux for Vox?

LinVox !
how does that sound ?
just kidding
waiting to get linux running on my vox....

But what name do we want to use?
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Hooked on Vonix!

vonix sounds ok
can also try "Mobile TUX"

wow
this is an incredible news ! linux on the Vox !
I'd love to flash mine with a movibuntu distro =)

How do you guys feel about splitting the project up in several subprojects?
Like:
Kernel and driver work: TI OMAP HTC Vox board patch and perhaps drivers
Base system: minimal rootfs and toolkit to utilize all Vox functionality
Usability: GUI and (for instance) Android support
This would also enable us to share the base system & usability work with other 'linux on smartphone' and embedded projects.
I do have a suggestion for the base system:
www.emdebian.org
Very up to date build toolchain for arm (GCC 4.x toolchains) and you can have apt support on the base rom. This would allow access to a huge amount of packages that can be used with relatively little effort. Others I've checked out are the new mobile ubuntu (system requirements way to high), MontaVista (severe lack of proper documentation to get up to speed quickly), uClinux (uses ulibc instead of the faster full fledged one, in my opinion we'd better trade some storage for more speed) and some others I can't remember now...
PS. I've got internet at my new place and I've recovered my bricked wizard from the 'spare electronics bin', so finally I can spend some more time on this

Polaris Android Linux Kernel Development Project

*** PLEASE READ CAREFULLY BEFORE INSTALLING OR FLASHING ANY SOFTWARE POSTED IN THIS THREAD ***
The software posted here is for TESTING purposes only, The Polaris Android Linux development team or any of the posters of software or links to software on this thread, take absolutely no responsibility or liability for damage caused by the result of installing or flashing software or links to software found on this thread - correctly or otherwise, you do so on the sole understanding that you do so at your own risk. A final version will be posted on completion of a version 1 kernel at which point testing and support for the kernel will be moved to a suitable thread. Please do NOT post support questions on this thread - this is a development thread ONLY.
Development work is sometimes done in the irc channel: #htc-linux. To follow the latest developements please read the daily logs which can be found at: http://irclog.iclem.net/?chan=htc-linux&day=13
Lastly, Please do not use bad language in your posts, I have my little girl with me most times and do not need her to read such things. Appreciate your understanding.
Update: We now have a few threads devoted to userspace (system images), This is a KERNEL DEVELOPMENT thread which is starting to get too big for devs to follow. The purpose of a good development thread is to serve as an archive and a blueprint for future developers and that is hard to do when you have hundreds of non-related posts. I have therefore asked the moderator to move all non-kernel posts to their appropriate threads.
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01-09-08 - new link to files for working wifi
http://www.4shared.com/dir/19593527/3cb53c3a/sharing.html
24-07-09 - If anyone is interested in making themed system images, he's posted this link to help you learn how to do it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=471586
19-07-09 - New kernel with changes from Vogue branch released. I am currently testing radios and resolutions. List of resolutions from kaiser thread
15-07-09 - A revival in our development as meant we are now catching up with the other devices with development on the project. Thank you to all who donated to the purchase of development Polaris that will be used by vilord, from vogue forum to help us with the project.
Current developers:
Life02 - Fixed GPS, Working on Battery issues.
Vilord - On holiday, now in possession of a Polaris. Also working on Bluetooth.
Newbie16 - Fixed Wifi - need to add irq's.
05-07-09 - New 1.5 ION build of Android for the Vogue has been reported to work well for the Polaris and can be found on the Google Vogue repository. The new 1.5 builds are noticeably also faster and smoother than previous builds. Some troubleshooting info can be found at the Androidhtc website for these builds (thanks freddycs). APN details can be found on Wikipedia - (thanks Mormy)
Things that do NOT work at present:
Bluetooth - No - Working partially for Vogue
Wifi - WORKING! *NEW* - thanks to a lot of effort by my friend Newbie16 - thanks mate
Camera - No - Working for Vogue
GPS - now working thanks to life02! - Well done my friend
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A new thread for budding designers has been set up by Venigo, (thanks matey!) who will lead the design side of the Polaris Android project (kind of makes you a little emotional thinking we're at that stage where we can start thinking about wallpapers and themes doesnt it?) Thread can be found here: Polaris Linux Android - Wallpapers, Themes and Icons
UPDATES: - Please check the WIKI for up-to-date progress updates here: Android on Polaris WIKI (Thanks excogitation)
NEW TESTING AND BUG THREAD ANNOUCEMENT:
marcelkordek has kindly started a thread for testing and bug reporting as we now have an almost usable Android image which can be found here: Polaris Android Project - Testing and Bug Reporting The thread will also be used to provide updates on the progress of the Android kernel as well as providing feedback to the devs on the latest posted images. Please ensure that the Testing and Bug Reporting thread is used for reporting user experiences and enable to keep the development thread cleaner and make life easier for the devs, whom you will all agree are doing an excellent job to support our beloved device.
18/1/09 - Working Radio with calls at last! Audio and SMS still not working but GPRS does but with a bit of fiddling.
16/1/09 - SMD code is nearly fixed by DZO, Rogro82 will be making a new image soon. Most of the development at this time is being reported in the Kaiser forum: UPDATED!!! - Google Android and Linux for KAISER!! as DZO was sent a Kaiser and he is working on the issues on it.
5/1/09 - DZO is working to bring the Kaiser and Polaris branches together so that the kernel will work on all our devices. Waiting to see what changes are made.
1/1/09 - Rogro82 uploaded a "booting" 1.0 SDK along with source files and instructions (below). Although this is very much a work-in-progress, it is the first bootable version of the 1.0 SDK for the Polaris.
11/12 - DZO and rolk worked out some changes that may help us resolve the SD Card stability issue. Dwaradzyne posted up a Zimage with the changes for testing.
CPLD Handbook
GPIO Manuals
LATEST FILES USED FOR DEVELOPMENT:
1/1/09 - Latest files are packed in this archive - to boot simply unpack to the root of your sd card and run haret (included).
A big THANK YOU to Rogro82 for getting the 1.0 SDK booting on the Polaris
Enjoy!
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FIRST POST
I'll start with another simple question I cant find an answer to:
WHY CANT WE JUST PORT THE G1 ROM TO THE POLARIS?

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I will try to search too

I will try to put as simple as possible. Building a ROM requires combinig two parts:
1. Kernel/drivers part.
2. Applications and stuff.
In case of Windows Mobile part 1. in practice always comes from official HTC Polaris ROM. Part 2 comes from other official HTC ROM (could be other phone) and it can be modified by cooker.
We do not have a full working Polaris Android ROM, and we cannot just cook without part 1. Part 2 is available as Android sources are open.
The reason why we did not have 3d driver working on Polaris immediately after first Diamond ROM was available is that part 1. is not transferrable from one model to another.
Part 1. in Android is Linux kernel. We must get involved in Linux kernel developement for Polaris to bring Android to our phones.

why do we always want our phones to look like other phones. why cant we just be unique. we are windows mobile. TOP DOGG. i like windows mobile theme especially when its black. i like g1 but the design looks ancient. its not 2008 more like 1998

dortyboy said:
why do we always want our phones to look like other phones. why cant we just be unique. we are windows mobile. TOP DOGG. i like windows mobile theme especially when its black. i like g1 but the design looks ancient. its not 2008 more like 1998
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absolutely agree. Copying iPhone was fun the first 2,3 months. Why not trying to develop really good apps with nice UIs and make own ideas into real interfaces for throttle launcher, M2D etc etc - posibilities are nearly endless.

i absolutely agree. i havent seen not one cool program thats actually usefull in our daily life for windows mobile not since i had a treo way back.
programs like directory; that could look at your number and tell u the owners name and adress
stuff like that. maybe tell u when zip code the call is coming from. useful programs. not the crappy programs that just try to make your phone look pretty.
thats why people go to iphone, the programs are useful in peoples daily life but not windows mobile

Here we go
ROM download :
Code:
http://rapidshare.com/files/155612986/Android_dump.rar

I think its a probleme with the boot loader and some part of the android code which isn't public

Have look here :
Code:
http://www.limofoundation.org/en/limo-press-releases/limo-foundation-statement-on-the-google-android-g1-handset.html

dortyboy said:
why do we always want our phones to look like other phones. why cant we just be unique. we are windows mobile. TOP DOGG. i like windows mobile theme especially when its black. i like g1 but the design looks ancient. its not 2008 more like 1998
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Are you new to the mobile device world?
We are not trying to get it to "look like the G1". We are talking about using a completely different operating system.. lol.. and you are talking about a black windows mobile theme and how the hardware of the G1 looks ancient.. lol..
Oh.. and "being unique" in this case would be having Android on a non G1 phone.. that would be unique. Windows mobile is not unique.

m.schmidler said:
absolutely agree. Copying iPhone was fun the first 2,3 months. Why not trying to develop really good apps with nice UIs and make own ideas into real interfaces for throttle launcher, M2D etc etc - posibilities are nearly endless.
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Developing apps and trying to use resource hog throttle launcher is nothing close to having a brand new stable device operating system.

m.schmidler said:
absolutely agree. Copying iPhone was fun the first 2,3 months. Why not trying to develop really good apps with nice UIs and make own ideas into real interfaces for throttle launcher, M2D etc etc - posibilities are nearly endless.
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Maybe we can develop better apps under Android?
Look at the apps currently available for iphone - hopefully Android will get better market penetration than Windows Mobile, and, because it's open source it opens up a whole range of possibilities for developers.
I say if it can be done, it should be done!

dwaradzyn said:
I will try to put as simple as possible. Building a ROM requires combinig two parts:
1. Kernel/drivers part.
2. Applications and stuff.
In case of Windows Mobile part 1. in practice always comes from official HTC Polaris ROM. Part 2 comes from other official HTC ROM (could be other phone) and it can be modified by cooker.
We do not have a full working Polaris Android ROM, and we cannot just cook without part 1. Part 2 is available as Android sources are open.
The reason why we did not have 3d driver working on Polaris immediately after first Diamond ROM was available is that part 1. is not transferrable from one model to another.
Part 1. in Android is Linux kernel. We must get involved in Linux kernel developement for Polaris to bring Android to our phones.
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Thanks for the idiots guide dwardzyne!
So that very clearly explains the kernel level requirement.
OK. Second question:
With regard to part 1 - Kernel/Drivers - Can we convert the vogue version since it seems to have the most work done to it? What would need to be done to it to make it work?

imfloflo said:
I think its a probleme with the boot loader and some part of the android code which isn't public
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a boot loader :
Code:
http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/WebHome

bally3 said:
Thanks for the idiots guide dwardzyne!
So that very clearly explains the kernel level requirement.
OK. Second question:
With regard to part 1 - Kernel/Drivers - Can we convert the vogue version since it seems to have the most work done to it? What would need to be done to it to make it work?
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Indeed kernel developement for Kaiser and Polaris is based on Vogue work. It slowed down because of SD stability issue.

dwaradzyn said:
Indeed kernel development for Kaiser and Polaris is based on Vogue work. It slowed down because of SD stability issue.
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I believe the sd card issue has been resolved on vogue and they've moved onto other things (camera etc). but it seems like its the end of the road for the Polaris - apart from rumors that someones supposed to be sending a kaiser or a polaris to dzo for him to work from. This kind of points to that dzo is the only person on xdevs capable of working at kernel level with a kaiser or polaris?? That cant possibly be true - can it?

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I believe the sd card issue has been resolved on vogue and they've moved onto other things (camera etc). but it seems like its the end of the road for the Polaris - apart from rumors that someones supposed to be sending a kaiser or a polaris to dzo for him to work from. This kind of points to that dzo is the only person on xdevs capable of working at kernel level with a kaiser or polaris?? That cant possibly be true - can it?
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He already has the knowledge... He wants to share his knowledge, if someone send him a Kaiser or Polaris, and will make it work... I thought there were plenty of users willing to send there old or half bricked kaiser or polaris... but still nobody send him one... as far as I know...
Nobody keeps nobody up to date in the kaiser thread... So I really don't know what is going on... But they still don't have a decent fix for the DMA (SD-Card read/write) problem (as far as I know).
Porting the G1 rom isn't a possibility, you first have to have drivers for our device, since we haven't got a driver to read/write to the internal memory (not the RAM), it still cannot boot .
I hope this project will really come of the ground finally... It's half way there... but still not finished (if you ask me, due to miscommunication and not working together of users, because they all want to be the first who got it working to show off with it... (so they are all working on the same piece of code, which is a waste of time if you ask me)).
Maybe one of us can contact DZO, check what he needs to continue our development. Because without the SD-Card driver we can't continue...

dubbeld00 said:
Maybe one of us can contact DZO, check what he needs to continue our development. Because without the SD-Card driver we can't continue...
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I'll contact him, I dont think there are many users who would just send a device worth a couple of hundred euros to a complete stranger though many would tell you they would at the time. With the P3D driver their was only one person who was willing to loan a unit for development - and that was only because they were in the same country. I was asking for ages before that.
is their any other way we could help him? surely the internal workings of a polaris rom coupled with the specs could be used if dzo would do what NuShrike did on the p3d driver which was tell us to try things he worked on? I'm sure there would be willing volunteers including myself who he could talk through it on the forums or on the #android room.

I can't offer to donate my polaris as its the only mobile I have.. but I would be more than willing to try things out on my xda or provide any other help possible to get this project moving.
Hopefully one day a fully working Android will be a reality on polaris

[Q] Bluetooth File Transfer

why I can't send and receive any file thru bluetooth on my samsung focus mango ( 7720) , it asks me to tap for pairing and when i key in the code ( 0000 ) I get the messaage : device not supported
please help
thanks

Because the security model in WP7 doesn't support this.

... all devices with WP7.

can we hack this security model?

Nope, because system WP7 this option haven't (that is not lock by Microsoft but this function not added to system). Maybe later ...

Budniu said:
Nope, because system WP7 this option haven't (that is not lock by Microsoft but this function not added to system). Maybe later ...
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You can send files through one wp7 device to the other though!

In other words no because right now WP sucks and Microsoft doesn't care what we want or need they only care about $$$$$.

sinister1 said:
In other words no because right now WP sucks and Microsoft doesn't care what we want or need they only care about $$$$$.
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Nonsense. The platform has to evolve according to priorities, meaning that the things people use *most* need to be polished and working *first*. I own an Android tablet and used to have an iPhone; know how many times I've used bluetooth file transfer? ONCE. And that was just to see if it worked.

It's evolving at a very slow rate of speed, Bluetooth file transfer has been around since the 90's and is a very common function on just about every phone. They are not polishing anything all the do is locked the phone down more and more with each update. Is it me or does anyone notice how WP is following in the same exact foot steps as the iphone? When the iPhone came out it hand no cut and paste, it had no start screen wallpaper, how about iTunes and Zune. I can understand people defending WP because I use to and still do some what but I have a WP device, do you know how many other people have one? None! And there is a reason for that just look at WP sales and where they fall, they are behind Blackberry for God's sake, Blackberry, the lamest phone and OS. MS needs to wake up and take their head out of the cloud or Apples tactics or they will fail big time. I use to wonder why Verizon didn't support WP and now I know why, no one wants a limited, dictated iPhone clone. In fact WM was better than the iphone because of that but MS never really put forth effort into it or took the cell phone market seriously that's why Google took advantage of the situation and now Android picked up where MS left off.

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It's evolving at a very slow rate of speed, Bluetooth file transfer has been around since the 90's and is a very common function on just about every phone. They are not polishing anything all the do is locked the phone down more and more with each update. Is it me or does anyone notice how WP is following in the same exact foot steps as the iphone? When the iPhone came out it hand no cut and paste, it had no start screen wallpaper, how about iTunes and Zune. I can understand people defending WP because I use to and still do some what but I have a WP device, do you know how many other people have one? None! And there is a reason for that just look at WP sales and where they fall, they are behind Blackberry for God's sake, Blackberry, the lamest phone and OS. MS needs to wake up and take their head out of the cloud or Apples tactics or they will fail big time. I use to wonder why Verizon didn't support WP and now I know why, no one wants a limited, dictated iPhone clone. In fact WM was better than the iphone because of that but MS never really put forth effort into it or took the cell phone market seriously that's why Google took advantage of the situation and now Android picked up where MS left off.
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I believe not just you everyone knows wp7 follows iphone.At first I didn't know that wp7 don't support bluetooth transfer until it's too late wen I buy my hd7
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There is a vote somewhere in the forum regarding this matter.If the vote is many, I think wp7 will enable the file transfer.i already voted 3x.

If you are forwarding contacts... use the app called forward contact and use a qr code... way better!
If you are transferring a file, hit save to skydrive then share it with the skydrive app... or... hit share and choose email.
Bluetooth transfer is such a waste of battery and i for one never found a real good use for it.
Also ignore the poster above u. He's been trolling here for a while

Ttblondey said:
I believe not just you everyone knows wp7 follows iphone.At first I didn't know that wp7 don't support bluetooth transfer until it's too late wen I buy my hd7
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There is a vote somewhere in the forum regarding this matter.If the vote is many, I think wp7 will enable the file transfer.i already voted 3x.
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That is true, if you are a normal everyday consumer that doesn't know how to go online and look up XDA Developers you would never know that that option didn't exist on WP. They don't tell you the phones limits on commercials or at your local cell phone store of course but get you all hyped up into buying one. I feel sorry for people who are not savvy and have to figure out stuff too late when they already bought the phone.

I'm not here to argue whether or not WP7 needs bluetooth transfer but a simple search would have gotten someone their answer.
The point here is that if it wasn't such a big deal for someone before they bought the phone, or else they would have checked beforehand, why is it such a big deal now?

Boburto said:
I'm not here to argue whether or not WP7 needs bluetooth transfer but a simple search would have gotten someone their answer.
The point here is that if it wasn't such a big deal for someone before they bought the phone, or else they would have checked beforehand, why is it such a big deal now?
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Because you expect it by default?
Anyhow, since bluetooth hardware is already physically implemented in the phone, it is not impossible to improve it. Although you may use network (3G+WIFI) for data sharing via mail, whatsapp, viber, facebook, virtual drive, dropbox or whatever you imagine, the cloud is not 100% secure (look at megaupload, what you have on the cloud doesn't belong to you)
and will lead to total failure in case you have no signal coverage or you use the phone as a handheld (suppose you have only one SIM and two or three phones, the other obviously won't have GSM/3G signal and maybe you don't have wifi access when you like)
So, if it is already hardware implemented, not much difficult to improve it.

scandiun said:
Because you expect it by default?
Anyhow, since bluetooth hardware is already physically implemented in the phone, it is not impossible to improve it. Although you may use network (3G+WIFI) for data sharing via mail, whatsapp, viber, facebook, virtual drive, dropbox or whatever you imagine, the cloud is not 100% secure (look at megaupload, what you have on the cloud doesn't belong to you)
and will lead to total failure in case you have no signal coverage or you use the phone as a handheld (suppose you have only one SIM and two or three phones, the other obviously won't have GSM/3G signal and maybe you don't have wifi access when you like)
So, if it is already hardware implemented, not much difficult to improve it.
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I don't ever remember having to transfer a file so urgently i couldn't wait until i got network coverage or got home. It doesn't seem like a situation you'd run into on a normal day.
There are a lot of things that could be added to windows phone. They could be added quickly and untested (and may not work properly/cause issues) or time could be taken to add them correctly taking time to debug and issues. MS is taking the latter approach.
Personally i prefer a phone which does 90% of what i need properly because they spent their time and effort on that, rather than a phone which does 100% of what i need badly because they are spending time on something that isn't needed the majority of the time (*cough*likeandroid*cough*).

Boburto said:
Personally i prefer a phone which does 90% of what i need properly because they spent their time and effort on that, rather than a phone which does 100% of what i need badly because they are spending time on something that isn't needed the majority of the time (*cough*likeandroid*cough*).
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I second that as well. Android for example, has several issues and can take months to years to be fixed or even never (example: http://www.google.co.il/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=55d64c4d1aa1664c&hl=en).
On the other side iPhone for example has less features but they usually solve the issue within a week that is a top quality support.
I prefer the second approach, if I have to choose.

Bluetooth transfer is very much a necessity, especially here in India. Many of my friends expressed interest of buying a Windows Phone when I showed them my Samsung Focus. They loved the amazing User Interface, but were immediately turned off when I told them that Bluetooth transfers are not supported. One guy thought I was joking when I told him about the lack of Bluetooth File Transfer. Even I'm disappointed by the lack of this very basic feature. Android can do this. Symbian can do this. There's iBluetooth for iPhone for Bluetooth transfers. Windows Phone must be the only major OS which doesn't have any Bluetooth transfer options available. Isn't there any possibility of a hack or some 3rd party XAP (like iBluetooth) which enables bluetooth transfers?

zaidthunder1 said:
Bluetooth transfer is very much a necessity, especially here in India. Many of my friends expressed interest of buying a Windows Phone when I showed them my Samsung Focus. They loved the amazing User Interface, but were immediately turned off when I told them that Bluetooth transfers are not supported. One guy thought I was joking when I told him about the lack of Bluetooth File Transfer. Even I'm disappointed by the lack of this very basic feature. Android can do this. Symbian can do this. There's iBluetooth for iPhone for Bluetooth transfers. Windows Phone must be the only major OS which doesn't have any Bluetooth transfer options available. Isn't there any possibility of a hack or some 3rd party XAP (like iBluetooth) which enables bluetooth transfers?
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Yeah I tried to explain that to users but most of them attacked me and provoked arguments stating that Bluetooth is too 1990's and that I might as well ask for punch card technology and so on. Windows Phone is the only one that doesn't allow this as far as I know. Too bad but Windows Phone 8 is coming and lets hope MS comes to their senses.

Well, no matter, it's great news that DFT have at last released a hack for enabling bluetooth transfers ! Man, I'm elated ! All I have to do now is to fully hack my Samsung Focus, and I'm ready to reap the benefits. Well, I hope an interop unlock comes out for bluetooth transfers, because I won't be hacking the phone at least for a couple of months.

Quake 1 (w/OpenGL) on Windows RT

Sorry for the 'general post' .. but again, I don't have enough posts to have access to the developer section.
Hopefully this will make someone happy.
After playing with Quake 2..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2097092
I took a stab at Quake 1. Code was only slightly harder to port because of the old MGL lib. Anyway.. here it is.. Quake 1 (with optional software OpenGL support --- VERY SLOW)
Game runs very well (non-opengl) and full screen support works nicely.
Because its difficult to extract, I've included the PAK file from the _demo_. If anyone has any issues with that, please contact me and I'll replace it with a binary package. As is, you should be able to just extract it and run WinQuake.exe (or glquake.exe if you'd prefer a slower experience!)
Enjoy all!

I just had to register to say: I love you, man. :good:

Awesome! Really thank you for your work!:good: I just finished the first episode without bug.
Btw, what files do I need to replace if I have the full version of Quake 1? Just pak0.pak or the entire id1 folder (except the saves)?

Nice. Played Q1 opengl online a long time
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shog7n said:
Awesome! Really thank you for your work!:good: I just finished the first episode without bug.
Btw, what files do I need to replace if I have the full version of Quake 1? Just pak0.pak or the entire id1 folder (except the saves)?
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You should be able to just copy the entire ID1 folder from the Quake install. I'm not sure if the saves will work or not.. I haven't tried.
Enjoy!

That's AWESOME.
I remember playing Q1 so much on business trips on my crappy laptop so many years ago.
I'll have to try this out with my surface.
thanks!

Awesome! This is really great. I'm also trying to get enough posts to be able to participate in the discussion / porting of stuff to Windows RT. It's great to see such a thriving development / porting community arise so quickly!

Superb
This runs incredibly, I thought it would be fiddly, but it just works. I just need to enable mouselook and I am all set. I am also keen to get my ten posts up and engage on the dev thread. I have several things that I think will port over quite nicely.

I can't control the window that it opened in. Can't maximize (running in small window) and most importantly, can't close the game. All the buttons in the upper right of the window wont work.
Please help. Thanks.

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does it work with controller (xbox)

has anyone tried using the d3d wrapper as described in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=42277354&postcount=29 ?
I don't have a surface, but i've been quite interested in getting one as the prices are < $200 now.
If the surface only had STEAM support I would have gotten it day 1.

The "Complete" sensation rom

Brown=Test Done
Green=Good
Red=Bad
Blue=Not really Important
Hi Guys!!! :victory:
Even if it seems I’m a New User, I’ve been reading on your website for very Long time and I gained a LOT of experience with android phones thanks to you GENIUS DEVELOPERS and I’m sure I can share my experiences in this forum to help as well as been helped!!
Now, after days and days of research, tests and missed sleep hours, :silly: with Proper ROM, Kernel and Accessories I “ALMOST REACH” my final dream Phone thanks to you guys!
Wait, I’ll explain...
Basically my Girlfriend has the Samsung Galaxy S3 and I have my HTC Sensation XE...and the S3 is one of the most "complete" phone I’ve ever seen! It does EVERYTHING I’ve always wanted from my phone....by “Stock”!!!!
Now, I’m SURE you can understand me guys...I saw what an Android phone can do and I KNOW my sensation XE has the potentiality to do MUCH MORE that the limits that HTC put on his stock ROM without modify any hardware so it can become as powerful and complete as, let’s say, a mini-S3!
This is become my challenge, my goal (and MY OBSESSION! ) and after AGES...I ALMOST reached it....I’m very Close and I need your help and I’ll offer mine as well to make the “FINAL SENSATION ROM”!!
Now, after this LONG and BORING introduction:
What I want from my Sensation XE is basically the most “Complete” phone possible:
1- OTG USB “Fully Working”
2- Bluetooth drivers compatibles with applications like Sixaxis to connect the PS3 controllers
3- Keep a “Fully Working” MHL-HDMI
4- Keep a “Fully working Beats” and the compatibility with the mic and the play\pause\next\prev buttons integrated on the Beats cable for Sensation XE
5- Increase volume Loud-Speakers
6- Improve Battery
7- Improve Camera
8- Improve performance and boot time
9- Various personalization
And now I’ll share all my experiences:
--I first Fully rooted my phone
--Flashed PG58IMG.zip with Firmware 3.33.401.6 for ICS ROMs (HBOOT-1.29, Radio 11.24A, 4Ext 1.0.0.5-RC9, ADSP) ALL IN ONE!!
--Tried the first ROM:
Sense-o-Maniac - Sense4.1 v1.2.0
1- OTG USB not working
2- Bluetooth drivers NOT compatibles with applications like Sixaxis to connect the PS3 controllers
3- MHL-HDMI video-out not working (only audio and black screen)
4- “Fully working Beats”
5- Better volume Loud-Speakers
6- SUPER Improved Battery
7- Improved Camera
8- Improved performance and boot-time
9- Few personalization and tweaks
--Then I added the “Overclocked_kernel_v1.5.2_by_SebastianFM” to the ROM and magically I had:
Sense-o-Maniac - Sense4.1 v1.2.0 + Overclocked_kernel_v1.5.2_by_SebastianFM
1- OTG USB working 90%; keyboard, mouses and even cabled PS3 controller perfectly working BUT to Mount Hard drives and pen drives it was necessary the app “USB\OTG HELPER” and to mount another sensation as USB-Disk-Drive it was necessary the app “USB Host Controller”. No “system support” so no auto-mount hard drives, USB-Storage not listed on “settings\storage\” after the “Internal Storage” and the “SD Storage” and no media-scan of the USB-Storage’s content in the gallery (No images from USB device appear in gallery, no songs in music, etc)
2- From 2 to 9 pretty much the same.
--then I discover the GENIUS KERNEL “PYD-X - 3.8.1 beta – ViperS” and another point of my list was working:
Sense-o-Maniac - Sense4.1 v1.2.0 + “PYD-X - 3.8.1 beta – ViperS” kernel
1- OTG USB working 90%; Everything like the Overclocked_kernel_v1.5.2_by_SebastianFM plus the tests done with the “Sixaxis controller” app and the “PS3 PairingTool” which don’t “sense” the PS3 controller via OTG (even if buttons and sticks works around the menus) and keep asking to insert the controller via USB to change the PS3 Controller Bluetooth MAC-Address
2- Bluetooth drivers COMPATIBLE with applications like Sixaxis Controller (v0.5.7 only) to connect the PS3 controllers (after change the controller’s Bluetooth MAC-Address by PC) but it cause the WiFi to stop working until the reboot
3- From 3 to 9 pretty much the same.
--Then I decided to try other ROM:
Elegancia-Sense4.1-v3.2.0
having EXACTLY the same results.
--and keep trying and trying I suddently had MUCH better results with:
“ViperS_1.6.2” ROM + “PYD-X - 3.8.1 beta – ViperS” kernel
1- OTG USB working 90%exactly like in the 2 previous ROM
2- Bluetooth drivers COMPATIBLE with Issues exactly like in the 2 previous ROM
3- MHL-HDMI --working-- PERFECTLY!! (after turn it on in the Venom Tweaks Misc Menu)
4- Fully Working Beats like previous 2 ROMs
5- MUCH Better volume Loud-Speakers(The Best!)
7- Slightly less Improved Battery than the other 2 ROMs
6- Same Improved Camera
8- Improved performance and boot-time
9- LOADS and LOADS of personalization, tweaks and BEAUTIFUL ANIMATIONS of the menus
--so at this point I was quiet satisfied of the results but I wanted to fix that problem with the Compatible Bluetooth drivers and the WiFi so I tried the last test version of Pacha’s Kernel
“PYD-X 4.1.9 + kernel reset (non-bootloop)”
But somehow it broke the MHL-HDMI even on ViperS ROM
so I went back to the 3.8.1 version and changed ROM to the Rock Solid
Android_Revolution_HD-Sensation_6.8.0_XE + “PYD-X - 3.8.1 beta – ARHD” Kernel:
1- OTG USB working 90% exactly like all previous ROM
2- Bluetooth drivers Sixaxis-COMPATIBLE with NO ISSUE AT ALL!! Wifi and Sixaxis worked perfectly at the same time!
3- MHL-HDMI --working—PERFECTLY!!!
4- Fully Working Beats like previous 3 ROMs
5- Same Loud-Speakers volume as stock
6- VERY Improved Battery
7- No much Improved Camera (I hate the sensation stock camera!!)
8- Improved performance and boot-time
9- Almost no personalizations at all so a little too “STOCK-Look”
--so at this point I was VERY happy but I decided to try anyway few AOSP ROM without sense and the tempting JellyBean:
CyanogenMod-10-20130109-bruce2728-pyramid,
OpenSensation2-20121210-pyramid
And the best of the 3 AOSP in EVERYTHING I tested:
AOKP_pyramid_unofficial_Jan-20-13
1- OTG USB working 100%!! The System recognized and mounted instantaneously (without any app) all USB-Drive I tested and all the media in the USB magically appeared in Gallery and Music. “USB Storage” was now listed in “Setting\Storage” and it perfectly “sensed” and paired the PS3 Controller without the any PC’s Help.
2- Bluetooth drivers Sixaxis works quick and FLAWLESS without any issue already at “Method 1” of the Sixaxis controller app
3- MHL-HDMI sound ok but the video out is full of issues and instable
4- Workaround for the beats that seems to bring the good enchanted beats sound but loses somehow the compatibility with all the buttons (play\pause\next\prev) integrated on the cable
5- Improved volume Loud-Speakers
6- Improved Battery
7- Improved Camera (I personally still prefer the VenomS’ Camera)
8- SUPER Improved performance and boot-time!! The phone is SUPER SMOOTH, it boots in HALF TIME of other ROMS!!
9- LOADS of personalizations and a general sensation of smoothness and pleasure for the eyes with all the animations
CONCLUSIONS:
I thank you very much all who had the patience to read this until the end, I say sorry for my English and if I said something stupid feel free to correct me and PLEASE guys (since I'm NOT allow yet to write in Development session), make sure Venom Team, ARHD Team, AOKP Team, xXxPachaXxX, SebastianFM and Every Sensation Developer (sorry if I don't Name ALL of you :angel: ) read this so they may see which are the good and bad points of them ROMs, collaborate and make the best Complete ULTIMATE SENSATION ROM!!
I will help as much as I can with Donation and to test on my phone, Just let me know which Log you need and I’ll Post!
Ps.
Love you Guys!! :good:

Just a little side note about first posts...
THIS IS HOW IT'S F'ING DONE, PEOPLE!!!! :good:
This post should be made part of the user sign up process and used as an example that says
If you are going to make well written, thoughtful, usefull posts like these, then welcome to the forums.
If your posts are going to say something like "Why my phone not work?! HELP!" or "This custom rom sux!" or "Let me ask about a thoroughly covered topic because I didn't spend 2 seconds to search and see if my answer was already here" then step away from the keyboard and go tell your mommy to put your down for nap time, Mr. Cranky Pants.
Ciusepp, thank you for making such a well organized and well thought out post. You are a great example for other new forum members. :victory::highfive:

This should be posted in general thread not q&a
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk 2

Skipjacks said:
Just a little side note about first posts...
THIS IS HOW IT'S F'ING DONE, PEOPLE!!!! :good:
This post should be made part of the user sign up process and used as an example that says
If you are going to make well written, thoughtful, usefull posts like these, then welcome to the forums.
If your posts are going to say something like "Why my phone not work?! HELP!" or "This custom rom sux!" or "Let me ask about a thoroughly covered topic because I didn't spend 2 seconds to search and see if my answer was already here" then step away from the keyboard and go tell your mommy to put your down for nap time, Mr. Cranky Pants.
Ciusepp, thank you for making such a well organized and well thought out post. You are a great example for other new forum members. :victory::highfive:
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Thank >>YOU<< Skipjacks!!! :victory::highfive:
That's the most warm welcome I could ever ask!!

elvisypi said:
This should be posted in general thread not q&a
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk 2
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Hello elvisypi!
if you can, PLEASE feel free to move or tell to move my thread in a better place...:fingers-crossed:
I didn't want to post it in Q&A because the goal of this thread it was to give to ROMs and Kernels' developers some Ideas of what is great and what is missed in them work but I still don't have rights to write in other threads and in here it's quite useless...
I don't think any of the developers I mentioned (or not) do even know yet of this thread existence...:crying:

Ciusepp said:
Hello elvisypi!
if you can, PLEASE feel free to move or tell to move my thread in a better place...:fingers-crossed:
I didn't want to post it in Q&A because the goal of this thread it was to give to ROMs and Kernels' developers some Ideas of what is great and what is missed in them work but I still don't have rights to write in other threads and in here it's quite useless...
I don't think any of the developers I mentioned (or not) do even know yet of this thread existence...:crying:
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On that note, don't worry about devs not knowing what's good and bad about their roms.
Presidential candidates aren't as scrutinized as a new rom on XDA.
If something doesn't work on a new rom, the dev will hear about 25 times in the first hour, then another 30 times after he corrects the problem and posts a new bug free build. And then some idiot will show up 3 weeks later without searching the thread and ask why he's getting that bug even though he hasn't updated his rom to any of the 20 newer builds since the bug was fixed.
Pick any rom development thread...at random...read the whole whole thing, and you will see this pattern repeat itself over and over and over. Try not to get too annoyed by it...but it's hard to remain calm sometimes.
So while your guide is great for other users trying to pick which ROM is the best one for their needs, you're not telling developers anything they don't already know. It's great information, but it's other users who will benefit from it.

You have really done a good work n I feel u have seriously searched a lot and made a systematic thread this vll surely help newbees to select roms n get some knowledge......
If I have helped you hit the thanx button
sent from HTC sensation using XDA PREMIUM APP

Nice thread man. Every one here can help. Personnaly have no skills in programming but i can test every thing that comes out.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using xda premium

Skipjacks said:
On that note, don't worry about devs not knowing what's good and bad about their roms.
Presidential candidates aren't as scrutinized as a new rom on XDA.
If something doesn't work on a new rom, the dev will hear about 25 times in the first hour, then another 30 times after he corrects the problem and posts a new bug free build. And then some idiot will show up 3 weeks later without searching the thread and ask why he's getting that bug even though he hasn't updated his rom to any of the 20 newer builds since the bug was fixed.
Pick any rom development thread...at random...read the whole whole thing, and you will see this pattern repeat itself over and over and over. Try not to get too annoyed by it...but it's hard to remain calm sometimes.
So while your guide is great for other users trying to pick which ROM is the best one for their needs, you're not telling developers anything they don't already know. It's great information, but it's other users who will benefit from it.
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Skipjacks thank you for your replies, they are always constructive!
Believe me I read few >>FULL<< threads and I know EXACTLY what are you talking about...sometime it’s just FRUSTRATING!!!
I’m VERY happy to help other users but the reason I would like some of the developers to read this thread as well, is because it’s not a “this doesn’t work, please fix it”-thread, but more like “this doesn’t work here but it DOES WORK in there but there doesn’t work this but it WORKS in here”-thread, so the Genius Developers can help each-other “fusing” all the working features and make the “Complete-Sensation”
I also would like them to know that I'm offering my help as a tester since I have a spare sensation, OTG Cables (powered and not powered) and MHL cable and I think they may need “Hamsters” like me to try on their new betas!
Anyway I guess I will just wait until I’m allowed to write in developers thread and place a link to this thread, all I want is to be helpful! :fingers-crossed:

shrex said:
You have really done a good work n I feel u have seriously searched a lot and made a systematic thread this vll surely help newbees to select roms n get some knowledge.....
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Thank you shrex, as soon as my girlfriend went in Holidays I had some time to dedicate to my “geekness” and I spent it ALL researching and Testing... Hopefully it’s gonna help someone...:fingers-crossed:

hedifezai said:
Nice thread man. Every one here can help. Personnaly have no skills in programming but i can test every thing that comes out.
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OH Yes! Mr Developers USE US AS YOU WISH!!