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Fuze Pathetic Battery Life

I know this has been covered in many other threads but they seem to be fragmented into some suggestions for specific problems. Researching, following and applying the information, tips and software some have suggested I am still getting nowhere. My battery dies in a very short period of time - something like 4-6 hours.
I have installated, executed / implemented many of the suggestions and procedures here and on fuze-mobility to extend battery life. These are representative. I think there have been probably more but I cannot remember them.
HTC Power Management
SD Card Battery Saver
Taskmgr - to kill / stop Activiesync (replog.exec) from continuously cycling
Advanced Configuration Tool to turn on and off 3G
Registry Edit modifications on both the Fuze and associated laptop related to Activesync Update cycles
Activesync - added new server, made timing manual, deleted server.
Charging processes - Letting battery run all the way down to below 10%
Lowering brightness on my screen
I have ordered and am waiting for an extended battery for the Fuze.
The only thing I see is when viewing what is executing via the Taskmgr CPU Usage panel, I see that most of the time the Idle process is executing. (75+%). Although I have read some threads where folks have said this is good because nothing else is draining your power, just because the process says "idle" does not seem to me to be doing nothing..it is still cranking through and using cycles to go through its designated activities.
Is there a way to indicate the interval when the idle process cycles?
Anyone have this same situation? Any suggestions?

That sounds very bad. Most complaints are about it being less than a day, noy 4-6 hours.
Have you contacted HTC/your supplier to get a replacement battery?
Also, idle is not a process, it's the absence of a process...

I'm not an expert on the ARM architecture, but idle processes are processes that use the CPU when all other processes are waiting for something or when there are no other processes running. They don't necessarily do anything constructive (they essentially just 'mind' the CPU until another process needs it), but they often feed the CPU with power-saving instructions. In conclusion, ignore it - it's not causing any problems and there's no point in fiddling with it.
That sort of a battery life is absolutely ridiculous, and you've clearly had a good go at increasing it, so I my best guess would be that it's defective.

Thanks for the quick responses.
I would still like to investigate the "idle" process angle. As long as something accesses the CPU, cycles are being executed and power is being used. Depending on what the "idle" process is doing with the 75+% "time" it has control of the CPU lots of power could be being used / drained.
Not sure how to go about this yet but I'm sure there is a way to find out what is going on during the "idle" process time holding the CPU.
If anyone know please share.....

Wow, it seems like the battey life on these things just keeps getting worse and worse. I remember going from the Hermes to the Kaiser and thinking how much worse the battery life was on the Kaiser.
The features keep increasing and batteries are having a hard time keeping up, I think.

there is alot to blame here. the good news there is a fix for almost every culprit.
1st....touch flow 3d. this thing demands alot of battery life. Not too mention its always running. Att has also seem to have added a few things to the touch flo interface that may have had an impact on this as well.
2nd....the applications these days seem to be getting bigger and bigger every few months. its not uncommon to see an app eating up 7 to 10 mb of ram. jivetalk...opera...the new aim??? the thing about this....the more ram an app takes up, the more batt power is consumes.
by the way...this is not a problem native to windows mobile...take a look at Google's g1....the batt life on that phone is even worse than your stock fuze...and after i've been digging through the phone....i found out all the apps are over 5 mb....madness! Also, the iphone has had this problem....and still does. but the iphone doesn't allow for background processing....so large programs running in the background aren't really that much of an issue.
3rd...att! in a noble attempt to cram the fuze with everything under the hood and give it the title it truly deserve (a phone capable of doing everything) they've weighed the os down with crap ware.
4th...the att radio that ships with the phone....its horrid. you'd never belive how much better some of the other radios are vs. the shipped att radio. its almost ridiculous that att would ship the phone with such a poor radio.
5th....htc. The batt in the phone is no bigger than the one offered in the tilt. But lets keep in mind, the same size batt now has to power faster processor....more ram...and a brighter more high res screen. Why they didnt up the power of the batt? who the hell knows...i guess to keep the phone nice a small...but its def a trade off.
I want you to try a cooked rom....try romeos 1.4 or the new proven.....change your radio to the shipped orange....make sure you spl before doing both.
and post back. im sure you'll have a different experience.

wrjp said:
Thanks for the quick responses.
I would still like to investigate the "idle" process angle. As long as something accesses the CPU, cycles are being executed and power is being used. Depending on what the "idle" process is doing with the 75+% "time" it has control of the CPU lots of power could be being used / drained.
Not sure how to go about this yet but I'm sure there is a way to find out what is going on during the "idle" process time holding the CPU.
If anyone know please share.....
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I'm going to save you a ton of wasted hours in your life....or at least give you something else to waste those hours on. Stop the witch hunt on the "Idle" process. Open up the task manager on your desktop/laptop and look for the Idle process on there. If you pay attention (and do a little guessing), you'll see that the idle process consumes the remaining percentage of the CPU after the other applications have had their cut, however if you look at the total usage, you'll see that it doesn't include the Idle process.
There's a reason for this. It's lying to you....
There is no "Idle" process, it's just a way for the operating system to indicate how much processing power is not being used by applications. There's certainly something going on during those empty cycles, but it's operations that the core of the operating system is doing. Another poster mentioned that one of the things it's doing is sending power-saving instructions, which is basically true (but it's more in the form of telling the processor that there's nothing to do and letting it decide to save power).
The idle process cannot go away, and the closer you get it to 100% the better (relatively speaking, as it means you're doing nothing with the phone and removed any cool features it had). As long as the phone is on there's going to be at least a trickle of power going through the processor so the core of the operating system (i.e. Kernel) can perform it's necessary actions...just like the brain or heart does in your own body, even at rest they are still working a little bit.
Truthfully, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with your battery issues. I've got a Fuze also, and the ONLY time that I saw the battery die in 6 hours was when I was talking on it for about 3 1/2 or 4 hours in one afternoon. Otherwise, that thing, even on the stock rom, has given me nothing like the trouble your describing. I've flashed NATF's rom onto it (didn't like ROMeOS that much, just felt a little too laggy for me) and the new Austrailian radio .20M1 and the battery life seems even better. I don't think you're doing something wrong, I think you've got a lemon phone. Return it to the store complaining about the battery life on it not matching that of any of the other Fuze's you've seen anybody else using, then get a new one and try that out.

4-6 hours? Consider yourself lucky. I can get that if I don't touch the phone and no one calls. If I use the phone as a normal person might, I can get 2 hours. I don't even consider it a mobile phone. It's stays plugged into something all day.

momojopoe said:
4-6 hours? Consider yourself lucky. I can get that if I don't touch the phone and no one calls. If I use the phone as a normal person might, I can get 2 hours. I don't even consider it a mobile phone. It's stays plugged into something all day.
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You have a faulty battery or you don't know how to set up the phone. I'm also using HTC Raphael, and battery lasts 1,5 days with lots of usage. I think that you should search xda for battery tips&tricks, like lowering backlight, turning off WIFI, BT and other. Also, there might be a problem with the ROM and Radio you're using.

The battery was exchanged...twice...the poor battery life was present with nothing but stock apps and all the tips and tricks you suggest were tried, and then some...the problem is endemic with the fuze...I figure as much as I paid I shouldn't have to jump through all the hoops with 3rd party new roms etc. just to get my phone to work like it should...the battery is piece of crap

Hmmm, in that case it could be faulty device - there are plenty of people on Raphael subforum that are using Fuze and battery lasts for most of them 1-2 days.

Whos got Extended battery on there Att Fuze ?
Is it worth the bulk
& which one to get ?
18,00 / 2,000 diff kinds i see
with diff company

[Q] How can you make the battery last longer??

Is there a tweak out there that stops the stupid battery from guzzling? Im tired of charing it constantly and I swear it takes hours and hours to charge it back to full power. The thing cant last longer than a day without loosing power I cant stand it. Whats making it use all that power? I thought maybe if I switch wireless it would help but I didnt notice a difference.

I can get 2 days out of my battery.
I let it drain to 1% and then stick it on charge over night. When i get up the battery will be at 100% and then 30 minutes later down to 90% but it settles down after that.
I do not have wifi and bluetooth on all the time, just when I need to.

sORRY DOUBLE POST................

Archangel22 said:
Is there a tweak out there that stops the stupid battery from guzzling? Iam tired of charging it constantly and I swear it takes hours and hours to charge it back to full power. The thing cant last longer than a day without loosing power I cant stand it. Whats making it use all that power? I thought maybe if I switch wireless it would help but I didnt notice a difference.
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I don't understand people telling battery lost for 2 days..... even if we keep phone idle it will lose power in 24 hrs i believe....try like this try to use ROM with out manila & with manila once you will know the difference other than that there is some tips to save battery in Energy ROM thread in 3 rd 0r 4th post ..

4 days normal usage.
Manila2, GSM
15 minutes call, 6~10 text message, sync exchange, 30 minute ebook reading per day

If I build rom myself from the kitchen. It usually runs for 2-3 days.
However, in most cases when I try decent cooked ROM, for example, Energy - battery drains in about 5 hours. That's been the case with other cooked roms as well.
I suspect that some popular configuration change done by cooks causes battery to drain in certain environments. Would be nice to find out which change is that.

Processes and services often place a strain on the life of the battery; add to the mix a buggy service or application that further shortens battery life and one has an unusable device.
Another habit that can shorten Li-ON battery life is full discharges - near 0%. One of the members put out a thread a while back on research he/she had done on batteries - worth the read if you haven't already.
Cheers,

alexnoalex said:
If I build rom myself from the kitchen. It usually runs for 2-3 days.
However, in most cases when I try decent cooked ROM, for example, Energy - battery drains in about 5 hours. That's been the case with other cooked roms as well.
I suspect that some popular configuration change done by cooks causes battery to drain in certain environments. Would be nice to find out which change is that.
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I just had the same experience, cooked for the first time and my battery was better than it has ever been!
Since then I have flashed to RRE 21731 6.3 and it seems my battery has stayed the same (Brilliant, 2 Days no problem).
The only thing ive done differently is I have used the new UK Voda rom as my Stock Rom that i flash before flashing custom, and i believe this may have something to do with it...What, I don't Know.
I also believe changing the Radio After a flash can affect battery life, I always try to flash a new radio before a Custom rom.
I have wondered for some time wether the European Touch Pro is slightly different to the US Fuze in its hardware, Since most Cooked Roms are configured for the Fuze maybe that is what it is?
maybe we will find out..One Day

turn off 3G and you will get much better battery.

Get a Blackberry Bold. My phone has been on for 2 days, sent around 150 texts, got in 150, I'm at 85%

ukjock said:
I can get 2 days out of my battery.
I let it drain to 1% and then stick it on charge over night. When i get up the battery will be at 100% and then 30 minutes later down to 90% but it settles down after that.
I do not have wifi and bluetooth on all the time, just when I need to.
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That will ****-up your battery, you should never let it drain to 1%, just charge it when you have the time, preferably before it drains to about 20%.

I guess it all depends on the eye of the beholder, I come from the Diamond part of XDA, and we are lucky to get 24 hours on the Diam.
I was happpyyyyy with my new TP battery life -compared to Diam that is-
But ya, turning of 3g and being picky about processes and back light helps.
Greets to all.

Search the development and Hacking thread for Windows Long Life/save your gonads. Chainfire is developing a neat application to automatically switch from 3G when not needed. I tried an early version and it seemed to significantly increase my battery life.

Check my sig....it tells you how to deal with Li-ion batteries...

battery stuff on my site
Check out chapter 17. I cover this pretty thoroughly.

Archangel22 said:
Is there a tweak out there that stops the stupid battery from guzzling? Im tired of charing it constantly and I swear it takes hours and hours to charge it back to full power. The thing cant last longer than a day without loosing power I cant stand it. Whats making it use all that power? I thought maybe if I switch wireless it would help but I didnt notice a difference.
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An app that may help is Advanced Task manager, it has a widget to end all running processes/tasks which i tap before putting mine to sleep about 1000+ times a day it seems. go in and exclude ones you may want to exclude always and then its as simple as 1 click. as everyone else said, no gps,wifi,3g when not 100% necessary. also, get widget "toggle disply" from rounded labs and keep your screen completely dim (not like you can't see it...), being able to make it bright when you step outdoors. Also, toggle backlight app for root users keeps the pesky keyboard backlight off when you don't want it on (suggest making keyboard shortcut for quick toggle). last but not least because i'm sure theres plenty more, but yesterday i switched to cyanogen's newest stable ROM and it seems to be much more effective than any other i have tried in the means of saving battery life. had wifi on after a 98% charge for about an hour and a half (30mn usage) and it only went down to 91%... wow. "and that's all, i have to say, about tha-aat"- Forrest Gump

Firstly I don't think this is the right sub-forum for this question since it's not a specific ROM question.
Secondly, try nueDynamicClock, if you use the right settings, you'll extend your batt life by at least 1/2 a day if not more.

alexnoalex said:
If I build rom myself from the kitchen. It usually runs for 2-3 days.
However, in most cases when I try decent cooked ROM, for example, Energy - battery drains in about 5 hours. That's been the case with other cooked roms as well.
I suspect that some popular configuration change done by cooks causes battery to drain in certain environments. Would be nice to find out which change is that.
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It's really very simple. Flash an awesome rom, and the battery burns and burns. Flash a rom you hate, and the battery lasts forever. Don't over-think it.

hi guys.
i was eager to start up this discussion and am glad to find it here itself.
even am really finiky about battery.
tried alot of thing but cudnt find any spcl tweaks.
though i came across some registries from advanced config and other wise also but they seem to be more worse.
;IMPROVE BATTERY PERFORMANCE
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\AsyncMac1\Parms]
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:0
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\Irsir1\Parms]
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:0
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\PPTP1\Parms]
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:0
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\L2TP1\Parms]
“DisablePowerManagement”=dword:0
when i use these tweaks the power consumption of my rom reached to 4.112 volts(as per power detect) which otherwise without these tweaks is 3.992 at startup.
more power consumption i guess means less battery i guess.
and even if its not still these tweaks as per my usage show bad results.
why so?
and arnt there spcl application which can detect the packages which might consume more battery, as i have over 50 packages in my rom and it'll hell to check which eats more.

Some tweaks I do
I have also found for me that disabling these things in advanced config also helps.
Performances
> File System cache: Disabled
> File System filter cache: Disabled
> Glyph Cache: 32kb (advised) I'm not sure if disabling this one is a good idea. I like having a little bit of glyph cache on my device.
Light senor
> Light sensor polling: Disabled.
*Note: If you want to still have light sensor on (this means the auto backlight feature) I would set the:
> Light sensor polling interval: 2000. This will make it poll every 2 seconds instead of every .2 seconds. I would even try setting it to 5000.
The backlight will make a huge difference on how long you battery will last. The brighter it is the more the battery needs to light up that screen. If you turn off the polling all together it will make the battery last longer.
Also running fancy UI apps will also deplete the battery more. Just common sense really as another poster alluded to earlier. The more things you have running and sucking up memory the more battery it will consume. If you disable TF3D or other apps such as this you will get your battery to last longer. Given that these devices are meant to have these types of programs on them you will have to weigh the options of how much you really want to "tone down" your devices to get the most out of your battery.
Also different radios will cause you battery to last longer. I suggest to everybody that they try different radios to see which ones last longer. Also people who live on the edge of 3G and EDGE area will cause the battery to drain faster as it constantly switches in and out of 3G coverage.
WMLongLife is a great app if you don't need 3G while you phone is just sitting in you pocket. It works great for me and when I want to use 3G I simply launch opera and the program will automatically enable 3G once again.
There are many things that you can do to improve your battery life. I encourage everybody to find what is best for them given what they use there device for and try and test things out. The best way to tell which works best for you is to simply try it out for yourself.
**NOTE** I also set all ROMs that I flash with a page pool of 0. I don't know if this has any real effect on battery life but it does seem to make my battery last a little bit longer. Not sure if this is a placebo affect though.

HTC Touch Pro Battery

I have a htc touch pro (sprint) and i love this phone, its amazing i love everything but the battery. It seems to last about 8 hours even when im not using it heavy. Is this normal (i hope not), or just maybe my battery? Any suggestions?

My Fuze lasts about that long in sleep mode too... Not sleep mode all day, I do use it to text and surf the web once in a while.
I think it's normal, but I don't know...
I'm on the Tael Sense ROM

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mastarofaqua said:
I have a htc touch pro (sprint) and i love this phone, its amazing i love everything but the battery. It seems to last about 8 hours even when im not using it heavy. Is this normal (i hope not), or just maybe my battery? Any suggestions?
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when your done with the phone press the power button to lock the phoen this greatly improves battery life turn off wi-fi turn brightness down to half way and select display timeout to 10 second and display sleep to 30 seconds also dont have alot of programs running it the back ground when your done with them close them report back if it helps also do you have any apps or your e-mail that constantly use data? if so switch ti to update ever 15 minutes or more

do you have new battery.....? i have used one , so i have exact same problem...but i will try with new one...
also battery caalibration can help you..to improve performannce of battery.....

I also have the same problem ,can somebody doin something...

This is not normal, if you are on custom ROMs make sure you have installed a matching rilphone.dll (plenty of info on this via search)
Also battery calibation is a big concern after flashing custom roms, I always make sure my battery is 100% charged before flashing as from experience found calibration goes a bit off if you have battery partly charged between 50% to 100% & can be a pain to correct. Read Energys notes in any of his ROM threads on battery calibration.
Also on custom ROMs hard reseting after initial setup is good practice & recommended by most chefs.
Last option is you need new battery.

mastarofaqua said:
I have a htc touch pro (sprint) and i love this phone, its amazing i love everything but the battery. It seems to last about 8 hours even when im not using it heavy. Is this normal (i hope not), or just maybe my battery? Any suggestions?
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This thread is useless if you don't give us any more info. 1. Are you using a stock ROM or a custom one (cdma, since you have Sprint)? 2. What do you mean by '8 hours'? Do you mean that from 9-5, with the phone in standby, it fully drains the battery? Or do you mean 8 hours of uptime (the phone turned on, and using it)? If it's 8 hours of use, that's not terrible, depending on what you're doing. That's a current draw of 168 mA, which is about what I get if I'm listening to music on tcpmp. It's also about the same as having the screen set to 10 (full brightness) and just having it turned on.
If you want actual help for your situation instead of generalities, you need to supply the following info:
ROM
Lockscreen (custom or standard)
Processes running most of the time
Bluetooth on/off a lot of the time?
Wifi on a lot?
3G?
Schedule for syncing email and crap like that
Custom UI?
Do you use the accelerometer a lot?
You may be doing some things that will burn the battery, but there's no way for anyone to know if you don't tell us how you use the device. The easiest thing to do is get tbattery.exe and log your battery usage to find out what is killing it (if it really is burning too fast). There are also other similar apps out there.

Please help me with battery and internet use

Hey, i have switched my Stock rom to the Energy rom (.sensity version). Phone was taken from recharger around 6:30 and around 15:30 energy has ended. 9 hours while on stock i could get more than 24. During these 9 hours wifi was turned off and backlight set to nearly minimum. I used 3G for around 3 hours and after that i turned it off using comm manager. Is it normal? How much can you get on energy rom? How can i control what applications are turned on and what applications are using internet connection? Maybe there is kind of gps turned on? And i am not sure if it comes to the email that downloads messages.

bumping the thread

I've had terrible battery life with Energy ROMs for the past year or so. Release after release, his ROM never improved and continued to add new but buggy software. The phone would end up warm even when in standby in my pocket or on my desk. It heats up even after resetting the phone and never interacting with it (ie. no apps are running). 3G and wifi are off and the radio and rilphone.dll match. I don't know what causes the phone to heat up but that heat production means the battery is getting drained.
I have happily ditched Energy in favor of Monfro ROM. The phone is now always at a nice ambient temperature, as it should be.

as above test other roms if you still draining battary life real fst then maybe its time to get a new battary. if thoses roms work fine then switch over to them.
also post in Energy roms thread for help.

I had the same problem with the battery life, but with me it was happening in the night, so one time i woke up in night my phone was extremly hot and it had lost 20% battery since 3 hours before.
By that time i used TAEL Rom, I thought it might be the ROM, so i changed it a few times using Energy and other popular roms, but the problem still accured.
Then i change my radio and the problem was gone.
Could be that you have the same problem, but you have to try different things. It could be the ROM it could be the Radio, or it could be your battery.

I would have to agree with LtGenHartman that changing the radio may help or solve an issue. If you have an unbranded and unlocked version of HTC Touch Pro then i would say to find the appropriate radio and flash it (but keep in mind that you can brick your device rendering it useless).
My device is a branded HTC Touch Pro (aka HTC Fuze from AT&T), and since the device is not unlocked I will brick my device for sure. The battery draining is coming from two areas:
1)WM 6.5 does suck up a little more battery life since there are more processes running in the background of the operating system. Devices that do run WM 6.5 natively may not have this issue since it is optimized to run on that particular device. Also, there maybe a larger capacity battery that a device is using so battery drain is no longer an issue.
2) HTC Sense UI does drain more battery. It is a combo of processes running in the background to run the UI. It is also that there are fancy animation like the weather and transitions. Try eliminating some tabs that you do not use (For me I eliminated Stocks, Twitter and Facebook). It will free up some RAM and it processes will decrease. This may indirectly affect the battery life. Try using the standard Windows Default aka Titanium UI to see if there is a difference.
For the actual battery, try draining the battery completely before giving your device a full, healthy charge before you go to bed. I notice a bit of a difference in my favor since I did that a few days ago. I read this will recalibrate the battery giving a more accurate discharge.
When you are not using the internet on your phone remember to switch off all the data radios (disconnect from the data network, switch off WiFi). I think its ok if your device is finding the 3G network but as long as you are not connected to it, no data is being constantly sent and received so the battery life should increase. Try also switching all your apps that do use the internet to a manual switch rather than auto updating.
Just remember the stock WM 6.1 ROM has less processes, TouchFlo3D has less animations and tabs to use and the ROM was optimized for your device. That is why you will be getting the best battery life results.
These are some tips for you to try out, let us know if this help any. I don't expect a massive increase in battery life but some does help and from my experience does go a long way.
Separate issue: I do notice that the battery reader is not as accurate either. I notice that if i reboot the device the battery meter decreases (for example, if i reboot a device with 65% life i notice after reboot it can go as low as 50%). Wondering why that is?

Analyzing Battery Usage

Hey folks,
So I'm shooting for good battery life as my #1 concern with my phone. At stock speeds with a good kernal and a debloated rom, the performance is up there and the phone snaps along just fine for my tastes.
However, I'd like to try and maximize my battery life.
Upon a fellow member's recommendation, I installed 'CurrentWidget' and now have the current draw updating directly on my homescreen.
BUT, I don't really know what I'm looking for as far as analyzing what is using what, and what are good numbers.
The phone updated the widget once when the screen was off and it was 40mA.
When the screen is on it goes from somewhere around 250 up to over 700.
Anyone have any tidbits of info for me? Let's get a discussion going.
Thanks!
damon

40 mA is normal for a TBolt with the screen off, that's what most of them I've seen run at. Over 700 during usage seems a little high, were you doing something demanding? And check your brightness settings too.
If your ROM has Spare Parts installed, you can go into Spare Parts -> Battery History and check various usage statistics with the drop down menu. Particularly useful here is Partial wake usage, since that tells you what's draining your battery while the screen is off.
There are threads all over the place on battery life, so you should definitely search for them.

34mA is about what i saw during idle time for 2 thunderbolts. but that is very high. other android phones like my nexus one and desire get 4-5mA over night during idle time, connected to wifi. so something is wrong with the TB stock ROM, but not much can be done unless you switch to cyanogen ROM or something like that.
also the other utility to use along with current widget is system panel, paid version, because it gives you a complete breakdown of every app cpu usage and what is hitting your device so you can troubleshoot and track your battery drain. that app is invaluable.

Mine also hovers between 30 and 50 on idle for two TBolts. I agree with the above that with a properly optimized rom we should be around 10 which will boost battery life quite a bit.
I use Battery Monitor Widget. I like it better than current and it keeps a nice history.
System Panel paid is also very very nice.