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First off, allow me to introduce myself: I'm an 18 year old cook from new orleans and I'm fairly tech savvy. I have an ipod touch and enjoyed hacking the **** out of it, and now I have a G1 and look forward to hacking the hell out of it as well, espcially since android is much more hack friendly and so far I absolutely love it compared to the iphone os.
Ok, so I just downloaded sign-passion-frf50-from-ere27.1e519a24.zip
From what I understand this is Froyo (2.2), which cannot(?) run on the G1.
Can I get this to run on the G1? If not, can I get 2.1 to run on the G1?
If it is possible, but very difficult, please let me know anyway so at least I know what I'm up against.
On this note, what is the process of manually updating the android os anyway?
P.S. I did search before posting this, and nothing seemed to spefically match this post
mattj7 said:
First off, allow me to introduce myself: I'm an 18 year old cook from new orleans and I'm fairly tech savvy. I have an ipod touch and enjoyed hacking the **** out of it, and now I have a G1 and look forward to hacking the hell out of it as well, espcially since android is much more hack friendly and so far I absolutely love it compared to the iphone os.
Ok, so I just downloaded sign-passion-frf50-from-ere27.1e519a24.zip
From what I understand this is Froyo (2.2), which cannot(?) run on the G1.
Can I get this to run on the G1? If not, can I get 2.1 to run on the G1?
If it is possible, but very difficult, please let me know anyway so at least I know what I'm up against.
On this note, what is the process of manually updating the android os anyway?
P.S. I did search before posting this, and nothing seemed to spefically match this post
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Even if all Android systems have the same roots, they differs on various devices. This is caused by different hardware specs: CPU architecture, drivers, customizations; and there are some custom add-ons as well: Google apps, Sense UI, etc. This is why it isn't possible to run OS designated for other devices, even if both of them are running "the same" system.
Porting is a process of mixing up bits from both systems to get some features from one device to another. And adding some missing parts. We have to wait for someone to manage to build workable version of Froyo system for G1 devices.
Ahh and there is no problem with 2.1 on G1 - there are plenty of 2.1 roms for this device, I personally recommend CM5.0.7 .
I see. So do you think that froyo will be ported to the g1? Where can I download the roms for the g1? and how do I install them? Is there a way to get sense ui on the g1 after I install CM5.0.7? Thanks for all the help
Well first you will need to root your phone. There is tons of information on that. I'm sure you'll find a guide no problem. Is you want cm5, which I highly recommend as well, go to cyanogenmod.com and look in the forums under experimental. You cannot, however, simply add sense to a rom. It's a lot more complicated than that. There are lots of sense roms though. Check the g1 forum here on xda. As for froyo, time will be popping up soon enough but we're all going to have to wait until the source is released sometime in the next week or two.
Hope that helps,
Samuel Maskell
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I need some advice on what rom i should install in my g Tab, I allready installed cyanogenmod but i have been reading so much on the others that i don't think i made the best choice, So what would be the best one to use??? i really want to get my tab running right!!!! Please Help!!!
Why not to try them all and then let us know what you like ?
Cause im not the greatest at doing these things and i would rather do it once rather then take a chance and screwing things up. This is my first android device and im not familiar with it at all!
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Cause im not the greatest at doing these things and i would rather do it once rather then take a chance and screwing things up. This is my first android device and im not familiar with it at all!
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Then read, read and read some more. If you can do it once then you can do it again. I like them all.
ehunyadi has a great Youtube channel with some different ROMs if you want to watch instead of read.
Install and learn how to use clockworkmod (the older .08 bekit one, there's a link in my TnT Lite post). This will allow you to make nandroid backups and easily flip between mods. The newer clockworkmod versions might have issues with the mods, so I still recommend the older one.
Each mod has its pros and cons.
TnT with the enhancement packs seem to be the most stable and the most current. Be prepared to try others when they come along, especially CM7. I try to stay with ROMs that have ongoing development and support and I hope things get going soon with 2.2.1 and 2.3.
im pretty excited about Vegan updates at this point. its the most "android" looking (ASOP ive heard it called) and runs very similarly to my Droid X which is really nice
I have tried all of the ROMs available. So far Zpad, and Vegan are my favorites. I am sticking with Vegan. I have learned a lot about this tablet and I am very happy with my current setup. Once you figure out how to load them its easier to try new ones.
Instructions flashing roms
Where are the instructions for flashing these roms.. thanks all............
What's the reason for people not rooting? There have been 1 click installers since July. I still see people posting like it's some wild thing only 1337 h4x0rs do when my grandma rooted her phone.
Or people weighing the benefits and debating whether or not to do it. It takes 15 minutes to unroot it back to stock(if you have a good sd card) so what's all the fuss about it? I've yet to see a brick made by anything other than physical damage. maybe a bad BIOS flash or firmware update would do it to computer parts but the tablets are pretty hard to brick.
inb4 "enjoying stock experience". buy an ipad for that.
pretty easy to brick actually, if I didn't have nvflash access to my device I would have bricked my device half a dozen times by now. I've also bricked my Galaxy Tab 7" twice now.
Also, starting with some B70s, there was no one click for quite some time, until Razorclaw
Personally, I haven't had much of a reason to root mine. I've had a rooted G1 and currently use a rooted Nexus S.. only because I knew I could make it better by flashing a custom ROM. The Transformer runs well enough for me out of the box.
I like my devices rooted, but I can understand if people don't want to root. There are plenty of threads that start out "Help, I tried to root, but now I'm screwed!" It's certainly not rocket science, but there is a risk and I can understand if some people don't want to take that risk with their tablet, time, or money.
I would guess that some people don't want to follow every thread here on XDA to figure out if Nachoroot will root the .21 firmware that was rooted with Razorclaw on the .19 firmware, but borked by the OTA. I'm not even sure what the answer to that is?
Lastly, maybe people actually use their tablets as tablets?? I thought they were portable Android! playgrounds where the trick to the puzzle was to root the OTA before you're forced to flash it. I enjoy my tablet, but the IT guy at work asks me why I need to root it and I can't come up with a great reason why other than I can.
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Personally, I haven't had much of a reason to root mine. I've had a rooted G1 and currently use a rooted Nexus S.. only because I knew I could make it better by flashing a custom ROM. The Transformer runs well enough for me out of the box.
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I agree. My phone is rooted and running a rom pretty much because out of the box, it was down right horrible to use (and on most occasions I love having the latest and the greatest) .
With my Transformer, speed has never been an issue. Asus has done a great job with Honeycomb for the TF101. It never feels slow or laggy.
I can say, however, that if there was a sure-fire way to recover from a brick on SBKv2 devices (nvflash), I would experiment a little more with custom roms.
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But for voodoo control plus I could live without root. Don't get me wrong I love all the goodies it brings like titanium backup pro and so on; but essentially because no manufacturer to date has properly implemented in hardware and software the hardware audio capabilities of any android device, I always buy a wolfson based voodoo supported device and seek root.
(Please no one make any claims about audio particularly in that HTC beats software based bollocks they are ripping people off with!).
The question of why Tf101 users aren't rooting is different. Look at the ilk or breeding of TF101 users in xda as opposed (for arguments sake) to those nexus s users here. By comparison the TF101 users are greener than the grass in Ireland.
But I believe it comes from this :
The vast majority of mobile phone owners will use their phones and be done with it.
Tablet owners on the other hand, no matter how uber noob will be more likely to congregate to gather advice and solutions as if we are honest - it ain't no iPad.
This in mind I fully understand the amount of totally over excited kids it seems are hanging around salivating awaiting the official ICS.
I use my tf101 for a multitude of things. Only really my love of music needs root. I'm down with the situation, all is cool.
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I don't think I could live without AdFree.
Why not to root? I don't understand either!
I daily use the rooted part of my transformer:
* Anyconnect to get on the vpn network
* Hidebar to hide the bottom systembar
* chroot to get to a Debian image on it
* modified hosts to limit ads
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Why not to root? I don't understand either!
I daily use the rooted part of my transformer:
* Anyconnect to get on the vpn network
* Hidebar to hide the bottom systembar
* chroot to get to a Debian image on it
* modified hosts to limit ads
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+1 i agree
weekly basis for me
script manager / always trying scripts n tweaks
root explorer /system etc always playing round
titanium backup (update my backup daily)
ADW.ex as a system app and dolphin browser hd that required root right
upd8r, vodoo, systune, ttorrent, my masses of emulators
logcats , tools, etc
I use root everyday and love it !!
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ppirate said:
Why not to root? I don't understand either!
I daily use the rooted part of my transformer:
* Anyconnect to get on the vpn network
* Hidebar to hide the bottom systembar
* chroot to get to a Debian image on it
* modified hosts to limit ads
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Not everyone needs VPN.
Not everyone needs to hide the bottom systembar.
Not everione wants a Debian image in it
Not everyone is that bothered with the few ads they might bump into.
Really, the kind of people who think that rooting the device is a MUST seem just like the bunch of Android fanboys that have to scream at people buying Apple products. "It's better! Don't use that!"
People have to realize that some times there's just no particular reason for certain things, and rooting is one of them. There's just no particular reason for some people.
Did I rooted my device? Yes.
Have I been using it for many purposes requiring root? Not quite, even though I will.
The reason why I required root was for certain things like using a custom ROM that would allow me to, coupled with the dock, use a 3G dongle and being able to have a SSH tunnel to make secure use of certain open networks.
But beyond that I don't have that much use to it.
Some people simply don't need to "play around", or access parts of their device that they don't need if they aren't rooted at all.
The TF is a functional device.
Android is a customizable and open OS.
Some people are plain happy with it, and root wouldn't give them anything more.
I'm glad to find this thread. I currently use a rooted hd2 and I have a tf101 and I have been unable to decide weather to root or not.
What are the benefits of rooting this device?
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it's the same benefit as you get with rooting your phone... wifikill is a great app. overclocking is a huge feature. I'm at 1.7GHz. stock is 1GHz.
root lets me have control of everything. I uninstalled gmail because it is useless to me, and instead I use the ICS email app.
kylew1212 said:
I'm glad to find this thread. I currently use a rooted hd2 and I have a tf101 and I have been unable to decide weather to root or not.
What are the benefits of rooting this device?
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read first page and thats just a few of the benefits
but i agree its a choice that everyone should have and not all people like root
but for the people that are debating it thats enough for me to pipe in and say do it!!
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Some people either just don't know about rooting and what it provides, while some people know the benefits but don't wish to seek them just because they don't want to take a risk, even a slim one.
All my phones are rooted but I have no desire to root my TF.
I don't have to remove anything off I don't use. If I didn't know it was required to own an Android device you had to root it. It must be something wrong with me.
Wolfson DAC with Voodoo Control Plus app
wildestpixel said:
But for voodoo control plus I could live without root. Don't get me wrong I love all the goodies it brings like titanium backup pro and so on; but essentially because no manufacturer to date has properly implemented in hardware and software the hardware audio capabilities of any android device, I always buy a wolfson based voodoo supported device and seek root.
(Please no one make any claims about audio particularly in that HTC beats software based bollocks they are ripping people off with!).
The question of why Tf101 users aren't rooting is different. Look at the ilk or breeding of TF101 users in xda as opposed (for arguments sake) to those nexus s users here. By comparison the TF101 users are greener than the grass in Ireland.
But I believe it comes from this :
The vast majority of mobile phone owners will use their phones and be done with it.
Tablet owners on the other hand, no matter how uber noob will be more likely to congregate to gather advice and solutions as if we are honest - it ain't no iPad.
This in mind I fully understand the amount of totally over excited kids it seems are hanging around salivating awaiting the official ICS.
I use my tf101 for a multitude of things. Only really my love of music needs root. I'm down with the situation, all is cool.
Sent from my Nexus S using xda premium
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Voodoo Control Plus on both my Asus TF101 and Nexus S is a tremendous enhancement that I couldn't replace. You have to really hear it once to fully understand. This is also the first app I have bought for the android OS.
For other tools (backups, logs, network tools...), root is really usefull, but for an audiophile, it's a necessity (the only alternative is another device in the pocket, as the Cowon J3 I still use, or a portable headphone amp).
All my devices have been rooted out of choice. I could just as easily be unrooted and still be happy. Current best reason I have is Titanium Backup; ).
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Well, everything I own is rooted, but my new Galaxy Nexus lost ability to write to internal memory after two weeks. I'm sure it was an electronic failure, but since it was rooted you can't get it returned under warranty and you couldn't unroot it cause you couldn't write to the memory. Without the insurance that would been a $750 problem.
Sent from my old Incredible while awaiting replacement Galaxy Nexus
ive always rooted just because i like to tinker and like the results that can be had. i too must have voodoo its just night and day differences. i was stuck stock on the tf101 for a couple months waiting for razorclaw and didnt have too many complaints other than a little laggy and a few fc's here and there. then once rooted running a custom rom oc'ed and tweaked, there was just no going back . stoch honeycomb is fine but modded honeycomb is just slick. i am very thoughtful of bricking and dont go flashing every new thing out there cuz there isnt a way to unbrick my sbkv2 device, but i couldnt go back to stock it would be completely a downgrade.
of course this is all preference and opinion.
I'm curious to know why people actually spend the time on their phones and risk bricking and voiding the warranty on their phone to install the latest stable or beta ROM for their device. Is it because the stock ROM doesn't let you do your daily tasks? Or is it slow? Or is it buggy in some way?
For example, I have a HTC Desire. The reason why I installed custom roms was that I bought it second-hand with Oxygen (gingerbread 2.3.4) already pre-installed. It had some bugs as it was a beta version, but overall it was pretty good.
I then found Cyanogenmod 7.1, where I was able to get around the major issue of apps filling the tiny internal memory using scripts to put entire apps on the SD card. I was stoked, and it ran really well with no major issues. It felt like a new phone.
However, I just got my dad a HTC Desire HD, and it has the stock Sense 3.0 on there (Gingerbread 2.3.5). I was going to install Cyanogenmod, but now I'm wondering if it's truly worth the effort for a basic user.
So why do YOU install a custom ROM?
I install custom ROM's, Radios, Kernals, etc for one simple reason......
every Android phone that I have ever had the pleasure of tinkering with, works better when rooted and ROMmed. It truly gives you the customization that makes you feel like the phone belongs to and was built for YOU!!!
I have ics on all my phones
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Simply to remove all the bloatware and removing sense. I love the pure android ICS experience. Also my phone flys faster without sense
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA
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I install custom ROM's, Radios, Kernals, etc for one simple reason......
every Android phone that I have ever had the pleasure of tinkering with, works better when rooted and ROMmed. It truly gives you the customization that makes you feel like the phone belongs to and was built for YOU!!!
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How do you know for sure? I'm the same, I just flash it without thinking, like I did with my new Samsung Galaxy S2 just a few days ago (ICS, woo!). I was just about the flash this HTC Desire HD and I thought hey... who knows, maybe stock ROMs are pretty good? Or are they generally rubbish?
Well, my D1 ran stock for two months before it got pimped, so I gave it a very thorough chance! My wifes Eris ran stock for four months until she was ready to throw it off a wall, so it got its fair chance too! Then she moved to a D2G, which ran exceptionally well out of the box, I was kind of upset that she didnt like her experience. It did however, run a lot smoother once root and Liberty was added! And now for our GNex's........I ran stock ICS for two weeks and I must truly say, this device doesn't need root or anything else to kick ass, it just does! However, the developer support is just too incredible, and when you add ICSourcery to a GNex, you'll know why it must be rooted and running that ROM!!!
To get rid of crap I didn't need.
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well i have a GN, so bricking or wrecking it is low on the list, its so easy to root, unlock, flash. I love stock ICS, but I do like the extra features I get with CM9.
AOKP on my transformer prime? Dem features.
Sent from my tf9001 with XDA XD.
The main reason I rooted my phone and through a rom in there is to get the portable wifi for my tablet.
Reason: to learn more about Android phones, and to get rid of bloatware.
make my defy better than 2.1
make my defy fast and have the new software as moto wont do this for us!
still no full hwa but still better than stuck with 2.1
oh and get rid of 2.1 motoblur.... it was crap. the new one rocks but i cant put it on the defy.
BUT if i had an htc or just a sgs2 ics or other ultra super powered phone i would just root change launcher and stay stock!(unless cm9 it waay better like it is now)
in short i want minimalistic beautifull smooth android experience! most importantly fast!(iphone is smooth,not always, but sloooow)
defy running ics latest cm9
because roms are a whole world, it's not just performance or bugs, is the option to change to customize toggles, positions, color, overclock and every little part of you phone...
for example, the resurrection remix or any AOKP let you put calendar events on lockscreen, show wheather in a special panel in the statusbar, hide your battery icon and put a line to measure it, you can even put a navigation bar like nexus
... it's not just cool and waaaaaaay better than stock rom, it is although handy
To get rid of the bloat-ware on the stock firmware!
There is tons of reason to update to a custom ROM. The big deal for me was getting rid of the bloat, also having more features with CM7.
So I could have stock aosp OR sense 3.5. I like both, especially on the thunderbolt (similar to the HD) nothing seems to slow these phones down.
Sent from my ADR6400L
There are many reasons. For example, the phone looks, feels and works like i want.
And one more reason is, that the original software is not so perfect as the most users want.
Overflowing options. Change everything down to the boot image.And speed,and BATTERY TWEAKS!!!!
Sent from my $99 phone using Gingerbread 2.3.7 cause it's root
The reason why i'm using a custom rom is the phones OS feel more smooth and stable and all the bloatware from HTC,Samsung etc. were removed so the performance is much better
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Hey guys i decided to switch to the HTC One X after having an iPhone for about 4 years! and man i absolutely love it, theres so much to do with it its almost over whelming. Im here asking any good tips and tricks about android and the one x itself i could expand knowledge about. what awesome apps are there i should download and tweaks to make on my phone, thanks much appreciated!
These 2 threads would be a good start if you want the full potential out of the phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644167
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672284
What is exactly do those mean to be rooted and what can I do
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I don't want this to come off harsh but try this.
http://bit.ly/IHZCgj
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I just made the switch from an iPhone too a couple weeks ago. Took about a couple days to get used to the HTC One X, but it definitely is a great example of a top of the line Android Phone.
Just to help you along, ROOTING is like jailbreaking the Android so you can install custom ROMS on it. So instead of installing all the cydia packages (I'm hoping that you actually jailbroke your iphone before), you can install entirely new modified versions of the OS that may usually make the phone better than the stock OS that HTC provided.
The forum section under ATT HTC ONE X ANDROID DEVELOPMENT is probably going to be your best bet. I can't post link right now, but look at the HTC ONE X Resource Compilation rollup at the top, really helpful. You should also look up a couple of the One-click root guides to root your phone, then install a recovery mod. The recovery mod allows you to BACKUP your ENTIRE phone, which is actually really useful, so as long as you can access the recovery mode, you can restore any mistakes you made on your phone, or if you want to try out new ROMS without losing your original system.
Hopefully that'll get you started in the right direction.
You'll love aokp instead of sense, I personally loved sense because I had never tried vanilla android but you can't go back after removing sense. After rooting and unlocking, aokp is the way to go.
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Just to help you along, ROOTING is like jailbreaking the Android so you can install custom ROMS on it.
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Not exactly. Rooting just gives you access permissions to the otherwise protected system files. You need root and bootloader unlock in order to flash custom ROMs. With root alone, you can do some mods and use some apps that require root, but not flash ROMs.
phatedd said:
Hey guys i decided to switch to the HTC One X after having an iPhone for about 4 years! and man i absolutely love it, theres so much to do with it its almost over whelming. Im here asking any good tips and tricks about android and the one x itself i could expand knowledge about. what awesome apps are there i should download and tweaks to make on my phone, thanks much appreciated!
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Were you jailbroken on your iPhone(s)? If so, you find things pretty easy to pick up. If not, take it slow. This is a dev site with access to some tools that can screw up your phone if you're not careful. If all you want are market apps and tweaks, this is not the place for you.
If you're looking to make significant changes in your phone's software, you should start by doing a lot of reading in the development thread. There are also plenty of "What is Rooting and What Can I Do With It" blog posts out there in Google-land.
One thing I can tell you as an experienced iOS jailbreaker, jailbreaking and rooting/unlocking share some elements but there are also some important diferences. With jailbreaking, you do it once and then you're good until Apple releases a new update to iOS. Modding/tweaking is generally just a matter of downloading stuff from Cydia. It's definitely a lot more idiot-proof than the Android environment.
Modding an Android phone can involve making some much deeper changes in the software than is typically possible with jailbroken iOS (unless you're a dev). There is really no iOS analog to custom ROMs on Android. These phones are tough to hard brick, but you can easily render your phone inoperative without some heavy help to fix it.
Bottom line: read up before you start doing anything, don't make any changes unless you understand what you're changing, and don't do anything you don't know how to undo.
redpoint73 said:
Not exactly. Rooting just gives you access permissions to the otherwise protected system files. You need root and bootloader unlock in order to flash custom ROMs. With root alone, you can do some mods and use some apps that require root, but not flash ROMs.
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Ah thanks for the correction! I did both at the same time so it just logged into my brain as rooting. While we're talking about switching from iPhones, I read that several android apps have the same functionality as BiteSMS. I loved the ability to send texts from your lockscreen, is there a specific messaging app that allows you to do that on an Android? GoSMS or Chomp or something?
atticusmas said:
You'll love aokp instead of sense, I personally loved sense because I had never tried vanilla android but you can't go back after removing sense. After rooting and unlocking, aokp is the way to go.
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AOKP is the way to go if you want to experience stock Android, but for your phone to remain fully functional stick to a Sense based ROM like CleanROM 4.1 SE.
AOKP still has the silly multitouch bug so games will suck and its using the terrible AOSP camera because the Sense camera wont ever work in AOKP without the proper sense frameworks and ImageSense drivers.
If you don't play games and dont care about the camera, then AOKP is a great alternative to Sense.
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redpoint73 said:
Not exactly. Rooting just gives you access permissions to the otherwise protected system files. You need root and bootloader unlock in order to flash custom ROMs. With root alone, you can do some mods and use some apps that require root, but not flash ROMs.
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In addition to the Rooting & Bootloader unlock you should also flash a custom recovery package like TWRP to handle all the modding you're bound to do now.