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It is being developed together with LG?
Oh well ... I was thinking Xoom is the Google Tablet ... might be not.
http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/6127-google-nexus-tablet-nexus-one-s
If you thought the Motorola Xoom was supposedly Google's own device like the HTC Nexus One and Samsung Nexus S, you may be gladly mistaken.
Google Nexus Tablet to join Nexus One & S
Reports are now coming in suggesting that Google is working with LG to release a Google Nexus tablet with a newer version of Android Honeycomb (Android 3.1?).
With questionable sales and a somewhat "rough around the edge" OS, the Motorola Xoom while being the first Honeycomb tablet, may not be the flagship Android tablet after all.
The details come courtesy of Eldar Murtazin, dubbed the "James Bond of Smartphones" by Engadget. Murtazin states that the so-called Google Nexus tablet scheduled for release sometime in mid-summer or early fall.
Just like the Google Nexus One and Nexus S, this tablet will no doubt be packing new features that will remain exclusive to the tablet for sometime before rolling out to other manufacturers.
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gogol said:
It is being developed together with LG?
Oh well ... I was thinking Xoom is the Google Tablet ... might be not.
http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/6127-google-nexus-tablet-nexus-one-s
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If that's the case I'm sure the xoom would get a port of this rom when/if it comes out
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It is being developed together with LG?
Oh well ... I was thinking Xoom is the Google Tablet ... might be not.
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Makes sense... just like the phone side had the HTC Dream / G1 before the nexus one, the tablet side has the xoom to take the hit for all of honeycomb's bugs before releasing their own-branded hardware. It's the price moto pays for being first.
Everyone said, that the problem of Xoom is Honeycomb (3.0). If google brings a tablet with 3.1... i think the update from 3.0 to 3.1 of the xoom will be the same. The hardware of Xoom are not bad.
That's true ... the Xoom hardware is more than enough.
The only problem is the Android 3.0 Honeycomb. Once Google gave proper updates to make it more stable, less force close, it will all set.
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Everyone said, that the problem of Xoom is Honeycomb (3.0). If google brings a tablet with 3.1... i think the update from 3.0 to 3.1 of the xoom will be the same. The hardware of Xoom are not bad.
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Wow this is such BS. Andy Rubin has already said in interviews that the Xoom is Google's reference device like the Nexus devices. Wouldn't make any sense having another one. Either way I'm not worried about getting software updates. They're giving the a Xoom to developers to make apps for Honeycomb too.
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oh noo.. what should i do now?
XOOM is not yet release in the UK, hence i can still cancel my pre-order.
should i wait for the Nexus Tablet (not sure what to call it), or just go with XOOM?
i'm really confused with this announces...
I'll go this weekend to Miami, and i've planed to buy motorola xoom... but now...
First, the motorola xoom are heavier than samsung galaxy tab 10.1 and ipad2. but samsung have a lot of issues... My samsung galaxy S have the GPS broken... the touch wiz interface.. "i hate it" and RFS file system..
what can i do? buy motorola xoom? and die without upgrades? like milestone? buy ipad2 and die with itunes and IOS? glbenchmark said that his gpu is 10 times faster than tecra2...
i'm really confused with this.
-1 google...
Never believe Murtazin, he has no idea what he's talking about, all rumors he started was comlete BS, he's also likes to lick Steve's balls very much. I'm dead serious, Eldar Murtazin is just very bad, unprofessional "journalist".
I think we need to view the XOOM as the original DROID.
"stock" android 2.0 on DROID, followed rather quickly by the Nexus One.
Looks quite similar to me. With Honeycomb not being open sourced for the time being, I know I will be waiting now...
Yeah this kind of annoys me, having just bought the Xoom yesterday. I am glad it's stock honeycomb, I can't see the Xoom not getting future updates, and the hardware is darn good. Even after the tablets expo'd at CTIA I decided on the Xoom. We shall see I guess.
Google did put their name on the Xoom... They don't just put that on anything.
At any rate, no matter what you buy or when you get it, there's something newer, better, shinier, and faster right around the corner.
Sent from my Xoom
I am curious if Google is trying to take a larger hand in the hardware side of things, possibly encouraging news if they start to push updates them selves for many devices instead of 2.
Then again, they did hand out EVOs at IO...and it is far from Googles primary device.
Maybe Google/LG putting together a Tablet that will have the new processor Kal-El. Nvidia said that we are going to see tablets this fall whit Kal-El
http://blog.laptopmag.com/nvidia-de...power-of-tegra-2-but-with-longer-battery-life
April Fools comes early this year?
I think people should stop getting their panties all twisted at every tabloid rumor, or at least nudge their brains out of park. If you bothered to look, the rumor has a single source, and the same site (mobile-review) also stated that Android 2.x devices wouldn't get the license to upgrade to 3.0. Last I checked, you don't need a license to use Android.
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April Fools comes early this year?
I think people should stop getting their panties all twisted at every tabloid rumor, or at least nudge their brains out of park. If you bothered to look, the rumor has a single source, and the same site (mobile-review) also stated that Android 2.x devices wouldn't get the license to upgrade to 3.0. Last I checked, you don't need a license to use Android.
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Not to mention this is a rumor for a tablet coming in "late summer or fall". Its March 28th right now so were a far way off from this...
e.mote said:
April Fools comes early this year?
I think people should stop getting their panties all twisted at every tabloid rumor, or at least nudge their brains out of park. If you bothered to look, the rumor has a single source, and the same site (mobile-review) also stated that Android 2.x devices wouldn't get the license to upgrade to 3.0. Last I checked, you don't need a license to use Android.
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Google may restrict what type of devices run Honeycomb so that a good user experience is maintained. I am sure there is something they can do if they really want to.
Actually, the licensing part comes wit hthe "Google" apps such as the market, they can deny access to that if they feel hardware and manufacturers don't meet their requirements.
That is how the platform works.
There is a vast difference between "may" and "will." Bill Gates may be the next Google CEO...or Charlie Sheen. The Earth may explode tomorrow from, you know, bad stuff in its core, and we won't have to worry much about anything else.
On licensing GApps -- It's not part of Android. While some may think this is a requirement to have for an Android device, it isn't. Lower-tier vendors have gotten around the issue with "unofficial" hacks. The one draw of GApps is market access, and with Amazon's store emerging as a credible alternative, what little leverage Goog has before is now even less.
The tablet exist and has Chrome OS.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/31/google-tightening-control-of-android-insisting-licensees-abide/
Looks like the Honeycomb lockout is just the beginning... It's because so many people complained about Fragmentation..
*le sigh*
I thought this was to get 'early' access to code. If that's the case, then I heartily agree.
Besides, I personally think fragmentation is the single, worst aspect of Android on phones.
Yeah, as long as this is for the manufacturers that are getting early access before the source is released to the public, I think it will be a very good thing.
If this removes the ability of Motorola adding it's "moto-blur" on top of Android, Samsung from adding "Touch Wiz" and HTC from adding "Sense-UI".....I'm all for it!
Maybe I am just a minority when I say I didn't mind fragmentation...
Kinda made each device unique...
I have an evo with sense on it. I have a gtab with launcher pro. and I have a xoom with (motoblur?, honeycomb default?) not sure lol .
But each one is very unique to me and feels like a different device. If everything was the same it would feel like that fruit labeled company
ah well, each their own
To me it's just annoying that their whole marketing game about it being an open dev process is just a crock. That being said, I'm glad we have earlier android source available, and I think it would be just dandy if somehow the devs here took that branch and advanced it further than google could do w/ honeycomb .
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Maybe I am just a minority when I say I didn't mind fragmentation...
Kinda made each device unique...
I have an evo with sense on it. I have a gtab with launcher pro. and I have a xoom with (motoblur?, honeycomb default?) not sure lol .
But each one is very unique to me and feels like a different device. If everything was the same it would feel like that fruit labeled company
ah well, each their own
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I understand where you're coming from, I just think the manufacturers use their additional code as an excuse when users want to update/upgrade. Samsung seems to have taken a lot of flack recently for their delays.
Then we just have to get these OEM's stop bolting their ROM's / code down.
Personally, Viewsonic has built loyalty for me by not locking down their device and (seemingly) encouraging independent development. Combine with nice hardware, I would buy again paying even more if they would use a little better screen the next time around.
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Personally, Viewsonic has built loyalty for me by not locking down their device and (seemingly) encouraging independent development. Combine with nice hardware, I would buy again paying even more if they would use a little better screen the next time around.
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By far, the screen is this devices biggest failing. Drove me nuts to the point that I tried rooting a Nook Color. That's a nice screen. However, I took it back, the damn soft key thing was driving me ape....
Understandable....but you can make each device your own without the need of a vendor hacking their code into the android AOSP code. .
Different launchers are available, different home screen setup options are easy enough...
Without worrying about this device needing a moto-blur tested app or an HTC Sense tested app can increase updates and stability of apps. It also removes the apps that "only" work on moto-blur or sense-ui, etc... as that was what the platform the developer was working with and used some of those extra library functions, etc...
Vanilla AOSP is best. Make your hardware/price point stand out and people will flock to it. Let the people decide what they want their UI to look like (via launchers, widgets, and such).
akodoreign said:
Maybe I am just a minority when I say I didn't mind fragmentation...
Kinda made each device unique...
I have an evo with sense on it. I have a gtab with launcher pro. and I have a xoom with (motoblur?, honeycomb default?) not sure lol .
But each one is very unique to me and feels like a different device. If everything was the same it would feel like that fruit labeled company
ah well, each their own
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By far, the screen is this devices biggest failing. Drove me nuts to the point that I tried rooting a Nook Color. That's a nice screen. However, I took it back, the damn soft key thing was driving me ape....
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Agreed. For the price, though, (especially for all those wooter's out there) it is an amazing device.
Got sad at first as I hate to see any amount of extra control being grabbed by Google. After reading the article again and the comments I became a lot more ok with it. Some sort of quality control over what kind of overlay can be put over stock android sounds fair.
The good part is that it's not a limit for the everyday dev, and even for company's doing things with android that it wasn't intended for...
You could still see a toaster come out with Android 3.1 that is custom skinned... but only after the AOSP dropped would the development be able to begin. You wouldn't have that toaster getting preferential treatment by google and early access to the source.
akodoreign said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/31/google-tightening-control-of-android-insisting-licensees-abide/
Looks like the Honeycomb lockout is just the beginning... It's because so many people complained about Fragmentation..
*le sigh*
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Try reading from more than just one source..http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Rubin says that if Google were to open-source the Honeycomb code now, as it has with other versions of Android at similar periods in their development, it couldn't prevent developers from putting the software on phones "and creating a really bad user experience. We have no idea if it will even work on phones."
"Android is an open-source project," he adds. "We have not changed our strategy."
Honeycomb + Gingerbread + Google TV = Yummy
Google is looking to bring all the deserts back into one.
With an added topping of Google TV.
This is the best of all worlds, so a bug/feature add goes out to all devices, tablets, phones, TVs, Settops, etc..
Sure it will take them a few months or so to get this done, but I think the wait will be worth it.
Here's the way I feel. There is not a single thing about sense/motoblur/touchwiz that should cause the manufacturer to integrate it into the android code. All of these would work just fine with apps/launchers. If htc wants sense on there devices, program a launcher, dont bogg down the code with an extra 100 megs of useless crap. Make the launchers and apps uninstallable.
This whole thing only forces the manufacturers to make their UI's the way they should have to begin with. I'd say this is better for the community, not worse.
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/14/nvidia-clears-up-tegra-confusion-no-devices-left-behind-pr-blunders/
http://briefmobile.com/nvidia-to-continue-support-on-all-tegra-devices-until-oems-drop-support
It looks like we might have jumped the gun on assuming no more support from NVidia. They have since come back and basically said they are continuing to support the hardware as far as the Manufacturer wants to go. So now it's on Viewsonic to bring us that sweet honeycomb. Additionally they stated that they are going to be helping out the developer community!!! This great news! So we should be seeing some great stuff coming!
"Finally, while we cannot support or give out third party peripheral drivers or provide the Android 3.0 source before Google does, we do want to explore whether we can assist the open source ROM makers. We will be reaching out to them today." - From official statement from NVidia on 4/13/2011
I was reading the phandroid article while I was on the can today, and it was a relief, although I kind of figured that Nvidia wasn't going to entirely cut the plug on the harmony line. Hopefully one of the manufacturers opts to support the harmony line.
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I was reading the phandroid article while I was on the can today, and it was a relief, although I kind of figured that Nvidia wasn't going to entirely cut the plug on the harmony line. Hopefully one of the manufacturers opts to support the harmony line.
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Double relief? Bonus!
when do we get the drivers for Gingerbread?
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when do we get the drivers for Gingerbread?
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Who knows, the bigger question would be, "when is Google planning on releasing Honeycomb source code.. if ever"
pr0cs said:
Who knows, the bigger question would be, "when is Google planning on releasing Gingerbread source code.. if ever"
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Umm, gingerbread source has been released for MONTHS now. I am guessing you mean Honeycomb?
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Who knows, the bigger question would be, "when is Google planning on releasing Gingerbread source code.. if ever"
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gingerbread has been released for months, but no driver for our chipset from Nvidia. I am worried bout getting Gingerbread fixed, and get them to agree on Honeycomb.
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gingerbread has been released for months, but no driver for our chipset from Nvidia. I am worried bout getting Gingerbread fixed, and get them to agree on Honeycomb.
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I agree.. Lets try to get a fully stable gingerbread 2.3 OS and get everyone updated to 2.3 and then while we play with 2.3 the devs can play and get the honeycomb on the way.
Good news indeed. I just bought one and was facing a dismal reality of having bought something that was already obsolete.
Yet they are slashing prices like crazy eddie
They may be supporting it, but amazon.com just released the Gtab on sale for 300 and office depot....
If people keep buying them up, then i hope the love and support continues...
I love my gtab. and nook color
I love my droid1, which incidently is going to be retired for an LG Optimus V , but only bc I find i use my tablets way more now, so i dont feel the need for a 4 inch monster phone. and I am going to try and make it work with a $40 a month Virgin mobile 1200 minute plan...
Sam
It is all in Viewsonics hands now. As long as Viewsonic keeps developing releases for the G-tablet, Nvidia will make drivers for it.
I am still not very convinced that they are going to support it. I think they are just trying to quiet us down a little by making that statement.
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They may be supporting it, but amazon.com just released the Gtab on sale for 300 and office depot....
If people keep buying them up, then i hope the love and support continues...
I love my gtab. and nook color
I love my droid1, which incidently is going to be retired for an LG Optimus V , but only bc I find i use my tablets way more now, so i dont feel the need for a 4 inch monster phone. and I am going to try and make it work with a $40 a month Virgin mobile 1200 minute plan...
Sam
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2 points for the Crazy Eddie reference.
Maybe people will see there is a market for a sub $300 tablet since these and the nook color's are flying off the virtual shelves.
I've debating going to tablet/dumb phone. I gave up on smart phones for a while and went PDA/dumb phone. But that ended when I got a Treo.
Maybe an LTE Xoom and a cheapo phone is a better idea in the long run, let me price that out...
Does anyone think that maybe this a little early to rejoice yet?
I've read the articles, and my interpretation is damage control.
Both companies (Viewsonic and Nvidia) are claiming to stand by their products with one side of the mouth while contridicting it with the other. Viewsonic said it would continue to support the G tab, but due to complication and other factors doesn't know for sure whether it can get get any more updates. Nvidia is claiming to still support harmony as well as manufaturers do, but Viewsonic (a manufaturer) is claiming it isn't getting any support from nvidia. Plus the fact that other then viewsonic's name it, they haven't had anything to do with development with the G tab to date. (Rebranded a Malata Z Pad and paid TNT to supply the OS).
I for one will be seriously suprised if we can get Gingerbread drivers and figure HC may get to to where Gingerbread is now (working, no hardware acceleration) once AOSP is released.
beebop483 said:
I was reading the phandroid article while I was on the can today, and it was a relief, although I kind of figured that Nvidia wasn't going to entirely cut the plug on the harmony line. Hopefully one of the manufacturers opts to support the harmony line.
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What was the relief? The article or the cannage?
I have a feeling at the end it will be a finger pointing situation, with both manufactures blaming each other on not producing a thing. We will be entirely forgotten as soon as the next generation is out.
Hmm... let's hope we can get 3.0 for sure.
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I am still not very convinced that they are going to support it. I think they are just trying to quiet us down a little by making that statement.
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I agree.
The uproar brought by us (somewhat rabid) fans probably made the PR guys get a little quivery at the potential backlash being "hinted" at.
I'll believe this so-called continued support when I load it on my Gtab. I don't know of any real confirmation from Viewsonic that they are working on a Gingerbread release, let alone Honeycomb.
I'm sure there will be more than a few people here that will continue to talk to VS to make sure we are not forgotten. Props to tunnel visioned g tab lovers!
I'm still not sold on the whole "we must wait on Google..." excuse. That may wash for Honeycomb, but what about Gingerbread?
I'm just curious but since ICS is coming, what does that mean for us? All I've heard is another UI overhaul for phones to give them more honeycomb, but what do we get? If Hardware Acceleration is in then I would be happy, but there doesn't seem to be anything in it for us tablet users.
Unless I'm missing something.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393797,00.asp#fbid=eHhpmAndRdICant really say kinda early..heres something I found but still unsure
I hope it means an update and AOSP!!
Not sure what the link was for...... Didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. Sorry. But I'm just not sure if I would be excited about ics on my Xoom.
Imma say that it will be on the original Xoom's without a doubt. I read in an article that ICS will be able to run on older devices, thus it's almost a guarantee the Xoom will see it officially. Annnnd for some reason it does not... have no fear, as the devs will be here to solve that problem! The OG Droid was left out of the update loop awhile back because newer models replaced it, but we still have the most current updates on it thanks to the brilliant devs. Just gotta have some faith in your XDA community, and they will figure something out.
But again, I think the OP wants to know (...like I also do) what's the big improvement gonna be?
As I stated on another recent post, the big deal for me as I see it is that (presumably) the SC for HC will be released and then the ROM goodness will follow. But if it's anything like what happened with Froyo, etc, the Honeycomb custom ROMs will kick the stock Icecream Sandwichs' ass.
-No?
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But again, I think the OP wants to know (...like I also do) what's the big improvement gonna be?
As I stated on another recent post, the big deal for me as I see it is that (presumably) the SC for HC will be released and then the ROM goodness will follow. But if it's anything like what happened with Froyo, etc, the Honeycomb custom ROMs will kick the stock Icecream Sandwichs' ass.
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Thanks for being the only reply actually related to my post, but Google had stated a long time ago that the SC for hc will never be released as the SC for ics will be released instead. But since phones will get more hc goodness, what do we get?(which is the main question in the topic)
I think at this point, it's a wait-and-see kind of thing.
But I think finally having the source code is the biggest news here. I think it will be the dawning of a golden age for the XOOM, so to speak.
Also, one advantage to the phone side getting lumped in to the same OS is that we will see a boost in apps that are tablet optimized since the devs will be able to work all of it into one .apk instead of focusing on two separate projects.
These are the two things I'm personally looking forward to the most as far as the tablet side goes.
Of course, it would be nice to be surprised, too.
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Thanks for being the only reply actually related to my post, but Google had stated a long time ago that the SC for hc will never be released as the SC for ics will be released instead. But since phones will get more hc goodness, what do we get?(which is the main question in the topic)
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Well, I think, since ICS will be open source, we will get additional development for the Xoom, beyond the wonderful feature additions and enhancements we have gotten with the limited HC.
Don't you think so?
From my understanding, Ice Cream Sandwich is an over haul for phones to bring out an honeycomb interface while allowing for tablet support as well and it will be more controlled by the king them self, Google.
What this means? All android devices will now be updated at the same time as it'll be more tightly integrated which means developers will need to start just making widgets for there own devices instead of a completely different interfaces like they do today. In a way, it'll be exactly what Honeycomb tablets are today (if you look at all the honeycomb tablets that's out, the interface is the same, only differences is that others will have widgets and/or wallpapers designed just for there tablets (i.e., samsung has the touchwiz) but can be upgraded all the same).
This is supposed to be more more uniform support and faster updates.
Will this go into effect right away? Probably not since the manufacturers will still need to make to update go through but we should also expect to see faster updates as well (there's still a lot of users out there still waiting on Gingerbread releases for there devices so with this making it more uniformed should allow for faster releases).
This is only from what I've heard, though.
This is from a PC World article this morning:
Although Google has kept its cards close to its vest about ICS, a number of things have been reported about it.
Widgets will be richer and resizable, as they are in the tablet version of Android.
More multitasking will be added to the system and the OS will be open source.
The system will be tailored to take advantage of devices that use the Texas Instrument's OMAP chip.
As with any Android upgrade, what Android devices will be eligible for the new system will remain with the manufacturers, but two good bets for the upgraded OS are the Samsung Nexus S and the Motorola Xoom.
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I think it is important to understand one thing about ICS. It is intended to reunify the OS on all device types (like iOS). What this means for tablet (and conversely smartphone) users is that app development will improve and we will get better apps. These apps will make it easier to share functions between your tablet and your smartphone.
We would have found out more next Tuesday, but the announcements for ICS have been postponed. The postponement was for a good reason though. We still don't know what the reschedule date will be, other than sometime this month.
I am genuinely pissed after they postponed the ICS event because I felt like that would be the infuses' time to get current with its OS. Maybe I'm venting my frustration a bit but 500K+ devices are turned on per day(at least for the next few months). I see that version pie chart and Froyo is still number 1 despite GB releasing roughly 10 months ago(not to mention a new version is weeks from releasing) . It's exactly why I come here.
I would also like to point out that the Fragmentation also causes what I like to call a popularity contest. Yes you have a crap ton of device options but guess what the carriers and manufacturer are making sure the cash cows are first in line. Do you think they have as many engineers/developers working with the ChaCha as they do on sgs2? Hell no
Why is Google shooting themselves in the foot in staying current? Why on earth haven't they sat down with the phone manufacturers and hammered out some sort of standard to speed up adoption of new OS?
Android has a wide array of devices and that makes them unique and better than the competition by offering choice.
I understand that the burden of keeping up to speed primarily falls to the manufacturer/carriers which blows for us. The maker/google contract states the carrier only has update the device for 18 months. The definition and or frequency of an update is obscure at best.
I don't even want to guess how much money is being wasted on development overlapping costs because of the hodgepodge of devices. I tried to find out exactly how many hardware devices are currently supported. I found a list of everything but no summary I didn't feel like counting the but a good estimate is 350 + worldwide.
I understand the development life cycle as well as a hardware life-cycle. I fail to understand why integration of an update takes longer than one quarter to apply.
Google develops tests and releases system updates. The manufacturers takes that update and tests it with their bull**** on top (IE touch wiz and sense) then they test on devices.
Carriers finally now test the update, certify it, and push to users(never pushed at one time because they would never risk any downtime or damage to their network).
Wtf google step your game up and reduce the impact of Fragmentation because its only going to get worse and worse.
I'm the kind of device user that makes a well informed decision and won't get a new device until it breaks or I lose it(wow thinking about it I really am horrible with phones).
I have had this phone since it came out in April and I love it (I left it in a cab during the first 2 weeks I had it but was able to get my replacement soon after). Basically I'm a day one Adopter I had my original rooted and rom'd. It drastically improved the general usability of the phone. I decided to wait to mod the phone until I got the official gb to see what it could bring to the table. I really like the one click update with no issues but my hand has been forced. My device has been becoming noticeably slower and i find myself pulling the battery at least once every 2 days. To use it as a phone like it was intended I need to port to a mod. The
Thank you developers for implementing what the billion dollar corporations could not in literally 1/10 of the time.
Sorry if I ranted I'm pissed and there's no way I'm going down to wallstreet lol I'm lazy.
Jason
Note: I also read that it could reach nearly 1 million devices a day by the end of Oct/Nov.
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Trust me I understand your frustration! According to google ICS was supposed to be that game changing release but honestly marketing is what is stopping companies from unifying. A majority of people who get an Android device don't know what the hell to do with it, how it works, or in the most part don't care (or at least don't seem to understand the difference between froyo and GB) they just want a functioning
phone. Then comes ios, that's why it's so popular.
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I do venture to say that android developers are hurting as well with having to unnecessarily cater to multiple versions of the same OS. I was under the impression that ICS was that as well and will be a step in that direction. Once again how long will that take to push out to consumers? Are we supposed to wait until then? Google just needs to grow some balls and steer the proverbial green bull by the horns before the amount of devices becomes the reason we dont run with the bulls anymore.
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I do venture to say that android developers are hurting as well with having to unnecessarily cater to multiple versions of the same OS. I was under the impression that ICS was that as well and will be a step in that direction. Once again how long will that take to push out to consumers? Are we supposed to wait until then? Google just needs to grow some balls and steer the proverbial green bull by the horns before the amount of devices becomes the reason we dont run with the bulls anymore.
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Quite frankly your frustration (and mine) is backed by the dev community; to atleast some extent. Although, I still believe google saw the bright green money tree right above their noses and since then, can not let go of the smell! In other words, there wont' be a solution in the near future.
Android has become more like Linux in terms of fragmentation!
diablo009 said:
Android has become more like Linux in terms of fragmentation!
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I couldn't name to you all the releases that are out there
Yes I love my Infuse but Fragmentation really move my temper gauge over the top. Still loving the infuse 4g screen, but the apps almost all force close error, and my facebook app sometime does not notify me on the notifiction bar and so is textfree app, i am really getting frustrated even yahoo a very big company the video call is a mess, i am in the edge of going back to iPhone which is not my choice, but google make this on OS, stop fragmentation.
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Yes I love my Infuse but Fragmentation really move my temper gauge over the top. Still loving the infuse 4g screen, but the apps almost all force close error, and my facebook app sometime does not notify me on the notifiction bar and so is textfree app, i am really getting frustrated even yahoo a very big company the video call is a mess, i am in the edge of going back to iPhone which is not my choice, but google make this on OS, stop fragmentation.
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Are you running a custom rom, kernel, radio, are you OC/UV?
Any and all of these things can and will give you instability. I had a cm7 theme that kept crashing the system on my backflip.
The only way to do away with MOST not all issues is to live in "the box".
Android fragmentation is a big problem.
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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Lol. By the ICS is out on a couple phones he would've switched to a different phone.
MikeyMike01 said:
Android fragmentation is a big problem.
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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There comes devs who may port it (hopefully). Ics is supposed to get rid of the fragmentation, and maybegoogle has something up there sleeve to combine all phones and most get ics who knows. Google and Sammy have just hired cynagen (sorry bad speling) and other major devs. They may just help figure out this problem, where they are actually smart and put this into consideration.
I want my freakin Gingerbread! Stupid fragmentation! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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I want my freakin Gingerbread! Stupid fragmentation! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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Really missing my old HTC phones right now. Hell, one official rom could be easily ported over to like six others with those phones. Samsung has fantastic hardware but HTC dev support is superior.
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Really missing my old HTC phones right now. Hell, one official rom could be easily ported over to like six others with those phones. Samsung has fantastic hardware but HTC dev support is superior.
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Completely agreed. Phone's that will never officially have things like Sense 3.5 have it, and the same with firmwares. I do love my Samsung though.
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There comes devs who may port it (hopefully). Ics is supposed to get rid of the fragmentation, and maybegoogle has something up there sleeve to combine all phones and most get ics who knows. Google and Sammy have just hired cynagen (sorry bad speling) and other major devs. They may just help figure out this problem, where they are actually smart and put this into consideration.
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Problem is that every phone has vendor-proprietary bits to handle specific hardware support that aren't portable. The Apache license of the Android userland stack makes this possible. Also the ability to have proprietary modules loaded by the kernel doesn't help - for example the FSR and RFS drivers in the Infuse. The same reason you'll likely never see ICS for the Infuse is the same reason you didn't see CM7 until Rogers Gingerbread dropped. (It existed, but it was in a barely usable state until the vendor-proprietary stuff from Rogers GB could get pulled in.)
The good news is that I think Google is forcing vendors to "play nicer" as far as the low-level vendor-proprietary code in order to make AOSP bringups easier. They enforced a LOT of standardization with Honeycomb - the question is can they keep that going with ICS without witholding source like with HC? I think that by exercising tighter control over Google Apps licensing they can.
The Galaxy S II is a hint of things to come - while it still has vendor-proprietary libraries in the userland stack, it has zero closed-source components in the kernel, unlike previous Samsungs.
Motivation and $.
my opinion only...but, phone carriers have no motivation* to update the o.s. of phones already sold.
Just a few random thoughts...
1. Limited $ to be made from you (the customer waiting for an upgrade)
....a. sale of the device is already made.
....b. buyer is already locked into a long-term contract.
2. they are a phone company not a software company...thus any software developers they might have are probably focused on future sales and testing.
3. they don't make money releasing updates to already sold phones.
4. support staff would have to be pretty good size.
I wonder if the phone providers keep software upgrade staff or do they contract that out??? say to the phone manufacture (i.e. samsung, htc)? I have no idea.
(I am assuming it's the phone carriers who are the primary cause of delays in releasing software updates...not necessarily the
* what's more important to them? Future repeat customers due to good service OR simply getting them locked into longterm service contracts? Obviously point 2.
I wish fragmentation was decreased to that of the IBM compatibe market. (Am I the only one that still calls them that?)
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Interesting point I would have to say they contract the work out to upgrade versions. If they haven't already I wouldn't be surprised to see full teams being hired as android becomes more permanent.
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Great post
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The debate continues on TechCrunch:
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/27/charted-android-fragmentation/