I was wondering if any of the kernels in the development section are re-based when a new Linux kernel comes out?
I've noticed that in all the HTC Forums that kernel threads will list what version of the Linux kernel they were based on but not here in the Nexus S forums. Why not?
What kernel version does it say on your Settings->About Phone screen?
Uh.. the threads here do mention them. Not sure about all of them but Netarchy does
- Kernel base 2.6.35.11 (as of 1.2.3)
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And honestly.. I can really care less about the kernel base numbers. They're just numbers, I care about performance and speed.
zephiK said:
And honestly.. I can really care less about the kernel base numbers. They're just numbers, I care about performance and speed.
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The newest kernal has the best speed (2.6.38)
mazodude said:
The newest kernal has the best speed (2.6.38)
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And where's the source of that "kernal" (it's kernel) proving that its the best speed on the Nexus S? I'm not saying a kernel for another device because thats irrelevant. That's like saying Windows 7 SP1 is faster than Windows 7 SP0 on two different machines with different specifications.
zephiK said:
Uh.. the threads here do mention them. Not sure about all of them but Netarchy does
And honestly.. I can really care less about the kernel base numbers. They're just numbers, I care about performance and speed.
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Thank you very much for letting me know your kernel version. I checked that thread and I did find it listed. I'm just trying to understand why the Nexus S doesn't have their kernels based on the latest Linux version when the HTC phones seem to.
But there not just numbers it's improvements to the base code. That can improve performance among other things.
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The newest kernal has the best speed (2.6.38)
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2.6.38 hasn't made it to an android phone as far as I know.
Here is why he is say it's the best speed. It has a big change that should improve performance across the board.
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Galbraith-Linux-kernel-scheduling-patch/
Here are the kernels I saw on the first 4 pages of development.
Honity - No mention in main post
Voodoo kernel from Supercurio - No mention in main post
Netarchy - 2.6.35.11
Trinity - No mention in main post
I don't own an Nexus S so I can't look for myself. I just wonder why there is no mention. When I see the kernel version tracked by other phones.
Here are some examples from other forums.
[Kernel] [.37.4] intersectRaven's Kernel
[KERNEL][AOSP] - Savaged-Zen [2.6.37.4
[Kernel] LeeDrOiD v2.2.8
[Kernel] 2.6.32.33
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Is the Nexus S locked on a specific kernel version?
Are the developers not re-basing the kernels?
Hmm interesting point, i too am curious
in nexus one i used intersecraven 6.37.x kernels, i dont think the nexus one was based on the 6.37 when it came out the first time it had 6.32 kernels
Well the Nexus S official kernel version is 2.6.35.7. It's easy to merge the minor patches, but a major version jump to to .38 would require a lot of manual fixing of the kernel source code.
Changing major bases would require a lot of porting work, as many of the drivers required by the nexus s are not in the standard kernel by default.
It will probably be done eventually.
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Changing major bases would require a lot of porting work, as many of the drivers required by the nexus s are not in the standard kernel by default.
It will probably be done eventually.
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Thank you for your reply. So just to confirm there are no technical limitations (lack of drivers/files/etc..) that prevent someone from re-basing their kernel versions for the Nexus S?
Related
Tiny Linux Kernel Patch Delivers Huge Speed Boost
very interesting article. Would/could this have any impact on the Android kernels we have access to? That is, can it somehow be worked into the Android OS?
Already in IntersectRavens latest kernel and wildmonk's latest beta kernels for nexus one. Check the threads
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Imperial.mack said:
Already in IntersectRavens latest kernel and wildmonk's latest beta kernels for nexus one. Check the threads
Sent from my Nexus One
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Link or it didn't happen.
What advantages did it prove/show, and can it be beneficial for all Android device besides the nexus 1?
AOSP Kernels for HTC's 8x50, 7x30, and 8x60 Devices
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Tiamat kernels are designed for use on all ROMs that are built from the AOSP source code. This includes ROMs built from MIUI, CyanogenMod, and others.
Tiamat receives no support for use with ROMs based on HTC's Sense - use at your own risk.
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im running the latest miui and installed this kernel no problems so far running nice.
This kernel supports many different devices?
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jerrylzy said:
This kernel supports many different devices?
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Yes it does support a lot of devices. 13 devices now have Tiamat Kernels and the Xoom has a Tiamat ROM to go with it.
Welcome to the empire ;p
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Yes it does support a lot of devices. 13 devices now have Tiamat Kernels and the Xoom has a Tiamat ROM to go with it.
Welcome to the empire ;p
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hi mate, if you make a good kernel for our desense rom like an exclusive
we will be your betatesters
thx in advance mate
What do you mean by "7x30" and "8x50" ?
good job guys
is this kernel have battery drain fix for cyanogen and miui roms?
oooo, competition
welcome!
I've seen your git this morning.. and.. most of tweaks from my kernel source
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What do you mean by "7x30" and "8x50" ?
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It refers to the SnapDragon chipset....
MIUI 1.7.22
Sweet on MIUI .22 for me, battery drain good.
Morak75 said:
What do you mean by "7x30" and "8x50" ?
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The Qualcomm Snapdragon 8x50 chipset is in the Inc, Evo, Desire, and N1.
The Qualcomm Snapdragon 8x55 chipset is referred to as the 7x30 chipset because it uses acpuclock-msm7x30 (no idea why, just the way it is). This is in the DesireHD/Inspire, DesireZ/G2, MyTouch 4G, Desire S, Merge, Inc2, IncS, TBolt, and Shift.
The x in those numbers is a modifier to indicate the radio(s) included with it.
johnny8910 said:
Sweet on MIUI .22 or me, battery drain good.
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+1 Good performance on MIUI 1.7.22
Good explanation
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The Qualcomm Snapdragon 8x50 chipset is in the Inc, Evo, Desire, and N1.
The Qualcomm Snapdragon 8x55 chipset is referred to as the 7x30 chipset because it uses acpuclock-msm7x30 (no idea why, just the way it is). This is in the DesireHD/Inspire, DesireZ/G2, MyTouch 4G, Desire S, Merge, Inc2, IncS, TBolt, and Shift.
The x in those numbers is a modifier to indicate the radio(s) included with it.
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Thanks for explaining that
Hi, this kernel use oc daemon?
No.
dd4285 said:
Hi, this kernel use oc daemon?
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LorD ClockaN said:
oooo, competition
welcome!
I've seen your git this morning.. and.. most of tweaks from my kernel source
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Not knowing who you are, let's assume I did not get anything from your kernel.
I honestly haven't been working on this series very long, so most of the modifications I have made are fairly common. Beyond that, the only other repos I've looked at on this are CM's, bcnice20's, and my own.
I realize I'm stepping into the 7x30 kernel scene a bit late in the life for a lot of the devices, and I'm not trying to piss off the established developers that are already here. I've had a lot of users asking me to take up these devices and, really, I'm bored waiting for kernel source for the Sensation and/or Evo 3D.
Since this one is for multi devices we cannot calculate with such things like audio boost as in LorD´s Kernel or do we ? The HTC Desire HD is a bit to silent with standard kernels.
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Since this one is for multi devices we cannot calculate with such things like audio boost as in LorD´s Kernel or do we ? The HTC Desire HD is a bit to silent with standard kernels.
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I'm not sure I understand your question.
These kernels do have audio boost included though.
I think he means that kernels for the DHD usually have a 20% audio boost.
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yes it does support a lot of devices. 13 devices now have tiamat kernels and the xoom has a tiamat rom to go with it.
Welcome to the empire ;p
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2wcr support....????????????
Hey guys,
I know we have been using mocked up kernels for the sense 3.0 shoot ports and they have for the most part been stunning. I see HTC release the source code for the kernels for numerous recent devices
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-r...ncluding-evo-3d-sensation-4g-and-incredible-2
Not sure if any of this could be helpful in building a more stable kernel. If it is and any of the Dev's come up with a new one and need testing, send me a PM and i will be glad to help.
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Hey guys,
I know we have been using mocked up kernels for the sense 3.0 shoot ports and they have for the most part been stunning. I see HTC release the source code for the kernels for numerous recent devices
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-r...ncluding-evo-3d-sensation-4g-and-incredible-2
Not sure if any of this could be helpful in building a more stable kernel. If it is and any of the Dev's come up with a new one and need testing, send me a PM and i will be glad to help.
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The only kernel source of real use, or that we can really use at all, is the Thunderbolt kernel. Until we get a GB kernel source release, nothing great will happen.
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The only kernel source of real use, or that we can really use at all, is the Thunderbolt kernel. Until we get a GB kernel source release, nothing great will happen.
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"This is a minimalistic Thunderbolt kernel based on the HTC Desire HD source (ace-2.6.35.10), then upgraded to 2.6.35.13. It also includes some code from 2.6.36.x and 3.0rc6 (that's right you read correctly). A lot of the mods in my kernel are fairly experimental and not typically done by other kernel devs, so I would not get too upset if things don't work sometimes."
From Imoseyon's GB Sense kernel thread. I'm not really following what you're saying here.
AOSP Kernels for HTC's 8x50, 7x30, and 8x60 Devices
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Tiamat kernels are designed for use on all ROMs that are built from the AOSP source code. This includes ROMs built from MIUI, CyanogenMod, and others.
Tiamat receives no support for use with ROMs based on HTC's Sense - use at your own risk.
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Awesome to see u guys on sensation your all over my xoom!!
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The only issues i had now is that i flash this kernel and i wasnt able to unlock my phone. think i might wanna reflash it again .
Edit:Still the same problem. I hope i'm not the only one here.
Welcome guys. I'll be testing this kernel as well im glad your deving for our device.
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Hm interessting, really want to try but, can you tell us more ?
Is this kernel made for performance and it's OC ?
Or is it not OC by default and can give us better battery ? I really search a kernel for a good battery life : )
What version do I need for HTC Sensation?
Remember to give THANKS were THANKS is due.
Try to install this kernel on TripNMiUI Beta, get the bootloop
I'm sorry it would help if I would read a little more. I found right Kernel, flashing now.
Remember to give THANKS were THANKS is due.
Works fine on cm7 for me. Although battery drain seems high, will report back after a full charge discharge cycle.
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Thanks, no Problems so far, but low benchmark results.
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Thanks, no Problems so far, but low benchmark results.
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using what benchmark app? quadrant is laughably useless on these device. seriously, run it several times in a row -- your scores will vary wildly. That is the definition of unreliable. The app may as well be a random number generator at this point. Also, it never bothers to use the second core.
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Try to install this kernel on TripNMiUI Beta, get the bootloop
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It's tested on CM7. The MIUI ROMs at this point (and really a shocking number of other 'AOSP' ROMs) are drawing far too heavily on Sense to work well with this kernel (or the kernel packed in CM7 for that matter).
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Try to install this kernel on TripNMiUI Beta, get the bootloop
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damn, was hoping to use this with trip's miui and hopefully fix the bt sound issues
Hey cayniarb, love the kernel any idea what's instore for the next release? More gpu and bus oc?
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Good to see you here, cayniarb. See you on IRC.
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Try to install this kernel on TripNMiUI Beta, get the bootloop
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It's tested on CM7. The MIUI ROMs at this point (and really a shocking number of other 'AOSP' ROMs) are drawing far too heavily on Sense to work well with this kernel (or the kernel packed in CM7 for that matter).
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Working just fine for me on TripNMiUI.
I used Tiamat on Evo and it worked great
Cant wait to try this out
Thanks OP!!!
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using what benchmark app? quadrant is laughably useless on these device. seriously, run it several times in a row -- your scores will vary wildly. That is the definition of unreliable. The app may as well be a random number generator at this point. Also, it never bothers to use the second core.
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I used CF-Bench
~7500 with faux v0.1.4 @ 1.67 and cm7
~5300 with tiamat v1.0.0 @ 1.67 and cm7
Do you have other results?
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Working just fine for me on TripNMiUI.
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does bt sound work for you? thats the big problem. pairs easy but no sound.
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detroit2hi said:
I used Tiamat on Evo and it worked great
Cant wait to try this out
Thanks OP!!!
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same here! great kernals for the evo
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does bt sound work for you? thats the big problem. pairs easy but no sound.
Sorry don't use bt so no idea
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i had read a couple of posts here and there on how good faux kernel is, on "how smooth it runs or that it gets good battery life" but my question is, what is a kernel? is it only to over/under clock or is it something more that i am missing? what do i need to run it, (requirements you may say) ? i am on weapon g2x 3.0
In a nutshell (from the way i've always understood it) a kernel is basically the bridge of communication between your applications and the phone's hardware. There are no "requirements" to run it on your phone because it's already on there. Without it, you're smartphone would not be functional. These other kernels you hear about are custom made kernels. Kernels can be replaced by flashing one on top of the other (just like a ROM).
For more reading: Kernel
Even more basic understanding. Software for your hardware. If you are a car guy...ECU?
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In a nutshell (from the way i've always understood it) a kernel is basically the bridge of communication between your applications and the phone's hardware. There are no "requirements" to run it on your phone because it's already on there. Without it, you're smartphone would not be functional. These other kernels you hear about are custom made kernels. Kernels can be replaced by flashing one on top of the other (just like a ROM).
For more reading: Kernel
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Even more basic understanding. Software for your hardware. If you are a car guy...ECU?
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Thanks for the answer guys
So, can you mix kernels with custom roms or do they work as a package? If someone comes out with a kernel with a particular feature or fix, can I flash that on my phone to enhance or will it not be compatible with my rom?
thanks
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So, can you mix kernels with custom roms or do they work as a package? If someone comes out with a kernel with a particular feature or fix, can I flash that on my phone to enhance or will it not be compatible with my rom?
thanks
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There are kernels designed for certain ROMs. We have kernels for CM7 & AOSP Based ROMs, and kernels for 2.3.3/2.2.2 based ROMs.
IMO Fauxs kernels are the best
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shanipaqman said:
So, can you mix kernels with custom roms or do they work as a package? If someone comes out with a kernel with a particular feature or fix, can I flash that on my phone to enhance or will it not be compatible with my rom?
thanks
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Yes you can. The kernel is sort of like the engine of your car. There's certain kernels that only work with CM7, or stock, but they'll usually say in the description.