First...appologies to those who get frustrated with the newb who shouldn't attempt this if they have to ask how....
I am fortunate to own a GTAB that came already loaded with Vegan 5.1.1 and so I have not had the opportunity to do any tinkering myself. I have read the sticky on CWM and the process seems simple enough. I have read through the threads on the various ROMS but have not read of anything that seems complete enough or enough of an upgrade to make me want to switch from Vegan..... until Calkulin.
Of course the ROM I want is the one that seems to stray from the simple use CWM method. Specifically as it relates to backup and recovery. Right now Vegan is very stable and does everything I want it to do. So, why change... because from what I have read, Calkulin's ROM does everything, is stable, and does it with overclocking built in. And I can't help myself.
If my Tab goes all Charlie Sheen with this upgarade, I need to be able to find my way back. I can use CWM to make a backup of my current setup however I am concerned that all the other steps for this ROM ( using Calkulin's format and nvflash) will obliterate my backup and my CWM install for that matter.
I can use a search function. I am not asking to be spoon fed. Vegantab 5.1.1 is arguably one of the most installed ROMS on the GTAB and I'm sure there are many people who will want to take this route to Calkulin. If someone has made this jump, I think that they would be helping out many here by posting a step by step or at the very least, a what to be careful of post.
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Calkulin's ROM does everything, is stable, and does it with overclocking built in. And I can't help myself.
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It does not support overclocking, as none of the kernels do at this time (unless that has changed since last night). Honestly, unless you want to tinker for the sake of tinkering, I'd leave Vegan on there.
Um, Calkulin gTab 1.1 doesn't require anything special to flash it. It was about as easy as it gets. Use CWM recovery to run his format all.zip, his rom update.zip, and if you want a custom kernal update.zip. Reboot and you are done.
Make a backup and copy your cwm file to a PC as a backup. I would use the format all if switching from vegan to a tnt lite varient. Also I would invest in titanium backup. It will save all your apps and data that you can back up on PC and restore after a new rom is flashed.
That said, I say stick with vegan. I love to tinker but I always come back to vegan 5.1.1.
Good luck
OK, I totally suck....
My head got turned inside out. I confused Calkulin' s format all zip with the one in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=974422
and started to think that this process was a lot more involved. I guess researching too much is not always a good thing.
@ramerco I suppose you have flashed from Vegan to Calkulin's. I guess his format all.zip doesn't take CWM off like the one from the other post? Is switching back and forth as easy as choosing your backup?
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OK, I totally suck....
My head got turned inside out. I confused Calkulin' s format all zip with the one in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=974422
and started to think that this process was a lot more involved. I guess researching too much is not always a good thing.
@ramerco I suppose you have flashed from Vegan to Calkulin's. I guess his format all.zip doesn't take CWM off like the one from the other post? Is switching back and forth as easy as choosing your backup?
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I've been switching from TnT-Lite/VeganB511/Vegan7 GB/Calkuin's multiple times just using CWM backup/restore with no issue.
Remember to do 3 wipes before restore or flashing firmwares:
- Wipe data/factory reset.
- Wipe cache.
- Wipe Dalvik cache
@rickyt63 Are you doing these three wipes instead of Calkulin's format all or in conjunction with it.
Also to those who have tried both Vegan 5.1.1, Vegan 7 and Calkulin can you give your brief comparisons of these three? Pros, cons, which do you prefer? Why?
I also have been doing a lot of switching between 5.1.1 tnt lite vegan ginger experimentals just using CWM like above - you just need to do a factory reset wipe cache and the dalvic cache. I think it helps to wipe dalvik cache again after the ROM is flashed. Calkulins Rom is by far the fastest and when you flash clemsyn's froyo v3 kernel on top of that you get a great result. Titanium backup allows you to easily restore all your apps and settings even after a factory reset
Clemsyn said that he has a new kernel tweaked just for calkulins rom which he may release soon.
Thanks for the clarification, rocky3. The guy I bought the GTAB from used CWM to erased all his user data before he gave it to me but I know that I either have Titanium backup on there or have the .apk in my download folder.
I'm off to learn more. Thanks again!
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@rickyt63 Are you doing these three wipes instead of Calkulin's format all or in conjunction with it.
Also to those who have tried both Vegan 5.1.1, Vegan 7 and Calkulin can you give your brief comparisons of these three? Pros, cons, which do you prefer? Why?
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I did not use Calkulin's format when switching roms. Only 3 wipes.
Here are some thoughts about Roms: They're all fast and stable IMO.
1) TnT-Lite V4.2.5: Quadrant score ~ 2400.
- Pro: Fast and stable. Did not delete media from sdcard2.
- Con: boot up seems a little slow due to sdcard2 scanning, but after scanning it's fast.
2) Vegan V1B5.1.1: Quadrant score ~ 2600-2700.
- Pro: Fast and stable. A tad faster than TnT-Lite.
- Con: media delete from sdcard2. fixed: create a ".nomedia" file in sdcard2.
3) Calkulin V1.1: Quadrant score ~ 2600-2700.
- Pro: Fast and stable. A tad faster than TnT-Lite. Monster Madness run flawlessly.
- Con: media delete from sdcard2. fixed: create a ".nomedia" file in sdcard2.
4) Vegan7 Ginger Bread Experimental
- Pro: Fast, Nice Ginger Bread UI
- Con: Audio still clunky, some games don't work properly vs. TnT-Lite/Vegan V1B511
BTW, I use TnT-Lite or Vegan V1B511 as daily driver.
Hope this help.
Rich, thanks so much for your reply! When I look at your evaluation of vegan 5.1.1 and calkulin and I couple that with Butch's advice here and elsewhere, it makes my decision easy. For now, I will stay put with Vegan.
At some point, I will have to nvflash back to stock in order to take a viewsonic update ( I assume this will be the only way to get a honeycomb based rom, if that is even in the cards for the gtab). At this point, it doesn't seem that there is anything out there worth risking what I have now... a perfectly stable rom which does everything I need it to do with a full market.
I still get the itch to change up my tab even though I love where I'm at with VEGAn beta5.1.1, so I started changing themes, bootanimations and boot logos. There are some pretty cool themes made by gto777 that flash with cwm or metamorph. You can find those in the apps and themes thread. Awesome boot animations can also be found there along with instructions on how to load them. If you already know that nvflash is in your future you may want to get a little practice in with it early by changing your boot logo. Nothing made me happier than getting rid of the birds on boot and changing it out for a nvidia tegra2 logo. Its a fun task and there have been people posting their custom boot images for use on the sticky thread in the above mentioned section. Thinking I may re do mine this weekend, saw someone had put their name, number and email on the boot logo. Pretty cool feture as the boot logo survives through rom flashing. Seams pretty handy in cases of loss or theft.
Anyway hope this helps with the flashing itch. Have fun!
OK, so it seems that today's announcement puts honeycreams even further out of our reach.
I can't see myself making changes just for cosmetic purposes. I would only change for either a performance increase or greater compatability with newer software.
It seems that vegantab 5.1.1 will be it for me for a while until maybe the gingerbread version is fully baked.
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hi,
I have a ton of questions and have been reading alot on xda. but the more that I read the more questions that I have. i DO NOT WANT TO BRICK THIS THING! which is why i writing to you before even attempting this. 1.When I install tnt lite, can I simply jump to the latest edition or do i need no install each earlier version and then keep upgrading?
2.Do I need to root the gtablet before I even start installing roms? 3.Do I need that clockwork mod thingy mijigy to install? 4.when you guys talk about bringing a file to the foot of the folder or sdcard (what the heck do you mean?) 5. tnt lite or vegan same install process?
I have this idea in my head that all i have to do to install a rom is to download it to my normal computer extract, transfer to the device, turn off device, and turn on while pressing volume + at the same time and then it does everything automatically. Am I correct? if I do this will I brick it!
Q's may seem dumb but I'm just a broke med student who needs this for school! I don't have $$$ to spend on a ipad and i need something with longevity!
thanks in advance
oh and to that Ehunyadi guy , I'm a big fan of your reviews on youtube and I'am buying a gtablet primarily because I have seen your videos.!
later! and thanks again
1. TnT Lite. Just install 2.4.0 - it's a "base image", which means you can layer it right over any build, including stock.
2. All the mods are pre-rooted. You just flash using the same recovery tool that VS uses for their own updates.
3. It's not required for TnT Lite, but I would recommend it for the VEGAn build. The latter is more of a beta so we assume that anyone using it has clockworkmod already.
4. That's only if you use standard recovery. If you use clockworkmod, then you don't have to do any of that.
5. Slightly different, as the TnT Lite rar file has the update.zip and recovery folders in the rar (again, it assumes you have standard recovery). The VEGAn zip in an update.zip itself and it assumes that you are going to use clockworkmod.
I built out TnT Lite and I'm one of the modders for the VEGAn build. My recommendation is to use TnT Lite first as it's a bit more stable, and then maybe look at the VEGAn build when you want something snappier but a little less stable.
thank you so much, well I'll try to install the clockworkmod and then tnt lite 2.4.0 thanks mr. roebeet!
p.s. i didn't thank you earlier , sorry for that!
by choosing vegan mod? Is there a greater chance of avoiding the boot loops?
This is an extremely simple ROM modification to the standard Advent Vega 1.10 system image that only alters a couple of things. These are as follows:
/system partition size increased from 128mb to 155mb. (The reason for this will be explained below)
su and SuperUser.apk added - You can use root apps as standard now.
ClockworkMod Recovery built-in.
Added Pauls simple recovery reboot app to get into CWM recovery.
That's all! No google apps, nothing else, just these simple changes. This isn't intended to be used as an everyday ROM (although there is no reason why you couldn't).
The main reason for this, is to be used as ROM base for VegaComb (and any other ROM you wish to use). I have been struggling with the Vega's default partition sizes while trying to port Honeycomb, and rather than spending tons of time trying to make stuff way smaller than it was ever intended to be, this seems like the better option.
So, flash this in nVflash recovery mode (exactly the same as the stock 1.10 image) and off you go. Done. No need to do anything else. You can use this base with any ROM, the ONLY downside is that 30mb of storage has been re-allocated from /data to /system, which most people won't even notice.
ALL future versions of VegaComb will require that you use this modded system image as a base (as they will require more than 125mb of /system space). To return your partitions back to the way they were, just re-flash the stock 1.10 image from www.myadventvega.co.uk (this is the ONLY way to restore your partition sizes, restoring from a Nandroid backup will NOT change your partition sizes back). You DON'T have to return to stock when you want to switch from using VegaComb, all other ROMs should work perfectly fine on top of this base, including Corvus5 and CM7.
Also, it's handy to have this in case you brick your Vega as CWM is pre-installed
AS ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOU NANDROID BACKUP BEFORE FLASHING ANYTHING!
Download ModdedStock_1.10 v2 Here!
Woo Hoo, good sign for things to come
Good work, Love the idea of a bigger /system..saves a lot of messing around moving apps to /data. Cheers. Paul
Just can't get this to install :-(
Keeps coming up with unknown device found!!
Ooops, forgot to plug the charger in.........sorry :-(
I use ubuntu will this work through wine or would i be better off trying to borrow a windows MC
Flash without usb cable?
Is there a way to flash this ROM without using the USB cable and recovery mode since my VPAD10s is giving a huge pain with windows 7 and the driver so I can not make it work.
Is there a version to be used with rom manager?
Thanks guys.
You need to use your PC because this ROM changes the partition sizes in the internal memory, and you need a PC program (nvflash) for that purpose.
Damn! thanks Logseman, I will keep on trying to get my tablet recognized over w7 can´t believe it´s so hard to make it work. wish me luck
Hope over to the Modaco Vega forum and search for YAUDIG and AUDI. They'll get the drivers installed for you.
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Hope over to the Modaco Vega forum and search for YAUDIG and AUDI. They'll get the drivers installed for you.
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Thanks simonta, already tried AUDI´s soft but no luck.
I´m starting to think that the issue might be with my pc/w7.
Great stuff!
Rgds
Lok
Hi:
Currently using vegacomb 0.6, i want to nandroid backup, install the new Rom base, then nandroid restore, and then upgrade to vegacomb 0.7 via the upgrade patch, in order not to loose all my settings.
So I would like to do a Nandroid backup, but being Android illiterate, i havent found how to do it in vegacomb 0.7.
Another question is , as I have moved most apps to SD, if there would be any problem regarding the base rom change and nandroid bacup-restore
Thanks for any hint/pointer
Which gapps should I use it for this built?
Zebwen said:
This is an extremely simple ROM modification to the standard Advent Vega 1.10 system image that only alters a couple of things. These are as follows:
/system partition size increased from 128mb to 155mb. (The reason for this will be explained below)
su and SuperUser.apk added - You can use root apps as standard now.
ClockworkMod Recovery built-in.
Added Pauls simple recovery reboot app to get into CWM recovery.
That's all! No google apps, nothing else, just these simple changes. This isn't intended to be used as an everyday ROM (although there is no reason why you couldn't).
The main reason for this, is to be used as ROM base for VegaComb (and any other ROM you wish to use). I have been struggling with the Vega's default partition sizes while trying to port Honeycomb, and rather than spending tons of time trying to make stuff way smaller than it was ever intended to be, this seems like the better option.
So, flash this in nVflash recovery mode (exactly the same as the stock 1.10 image) and off you go. Done. No need to do anything else. You can use this base with any ROM, the ONLY downside is that 30mb of storage has been re-allocated from /data to /system, which most people won't even notice.
ALL future versions of VegaComb will require that you use this modded system image as a base (as they will require more than 125mb of /system space). To return your partitions back to the way they were, just re-flash the stock 1.10 image from www.myadventvega.co.uk (this is the ONLY way to restore your partition sizes, restoring from a Nandroid backup will NOT change your partition sizes back). You DON'T have to return to stock when you want to switch from using VegaComb, all other ROMs should work perfectly fine on top of this base, including Corvus5 and CM7.
Also, it's handy to have this in case you brick your Vega as CWM is pre-installed
AS ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOU NANDROID BACKUP BEFORE FLASHING ANYTHING!
Download ModdedStock_1.10 v2 Here!
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Thanks. one questions. Which gapps should I use for this built?
Thanks again.
hi, can i flashed this rom using CWM?
No, you can only flash it using a pc.
@all
Can someone please tell me how to use the nvflash, cause i'm clueless. I've searched using google but no luck, even on YouTube. I've downloaded nvflash but I can't work it. It keeps telling me about the drivers, although I installed the drivers. Any help would be great.
Thank you in advance.
jayk32 said:
@all
Can someone please tell me how to use the nvflash, cause i'm clueless. I've searched using google but no luck, even on YouTube. I've downloaded nvflash but I can't work it. It keeps telling me about the drivers, although I installed the drivers. Any help would be great.
Thank you in advance.
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Hi
Switch off your Vega.
Connect it to the PC with the USB Cable.
Hold the power button on the Vega for 2 secs
Hold the back button while still holding the power button for a further 2 secs.
Release the power button but keep holding the back button for a further 2 secs.
You should now have a black screen and the Vega should be recognized on your PC (check in Control panel under USB for Nvidia Harmony or Shuttle)
The above assumes that you have installed the drivers.
Then open Modded Stock v1 or 2 which you should have already downloaded to the PC and it will install on the Vega (Vega will show NV Flash mopde across the top of the screen)
Once Modded stock is installed go to the apps menu and the recovery app is there. If you have already downloaded and put on your SD Card, the Vegacomb 9n Rom run the recovery and it will put you into CWM.
Wipe data, cache and in advanced the Dalvik cache.
Then select install from SD card and select the Rom and it will install.
If you continue to have problems Google Vegatools 4.1 and download and install
and it can do all the hard work.
Hope this helps
Stransky
Hi guys, sorry to hijack the thread an take it slightly off course but........
Buy flashing this stock modded rom, will it reset my touch screen issues? Read that its a pretty common problem.
I've tried the fix at modaco, and it works.......for a very brief period, then back to just half of my landscape screen being recognized?
I've only had my Vega a week, can any other of you more experianced fellows point me towards a fix? It would be much appreciated.
Sent from my VegaComb using xda premium
Thanks for a awesome rom.One questions,having problems with the sensor.Is there a simple solution to this?i have wiped dalvic cache but didnt help.I want to play games like NFS Shift and ather other games with sensor abilities.
Why not use Custom MTD ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=717874
Hey all, buying an XT720 today.
Looking to get it up from 2.1
What is the most stable update at the moment?
I have done CM 6.1 on a HTC Dream, was pretty happy with it.. would like to get up to 2.3 on this..
Suggestions? I am using Wind Mobile in Canada for this phone if it makes a difference.
James
Hi
Their are choices cm6 is very stable
I would try flfalcon cm7.
Their are J.Y.Daddy cm7 these were made for the motorio to use these you would need to apply bootfix.
J.Y.Daddy even ported miui ics 4.01.
You need check out the development page.
Sent from my XT720 using xda premium
I also have a list of most of the ROMs and their +/-'s. Ill find the link and post it. I'm mobile now so can't find it that way.
Im on wind also and i truthfully find bravo the best.... everything is really stable and HD cam and whatnot works
Here is a somewhat dated list but a list nonetheless and here is the thread it came from.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1298208
Woodrube said:
There are a host or ROMs for this phone right now and it is quite hard to narrow down to "The Best". Each as their own +/-'s and while one might be a monster in speed, it might have poor muti-tasking or bad camera. Here are some of the ROMs we have and some of the +/-'s they have (not all, just some +/-'s).
In no particular order other than the top came out first and bottom is the latest.
2.1 Stock - Came with the phone. You can falsh via RSDlite the sbf file for your region.
2.1 Stock~ESB (Eclair Strikes Back) - Same as above, but has aorking app2ext, camera, FM Radio. Still it is 2.1
Dexters 2.2 with MZ patch - First successful attempt to port 2.2 to our phones. All features of 2.2 but camera is sketch and FM radio doesn't work (unless you apply FJfalcon radio patch but then it is still loud), media button doesn't work.
Kahlpower's V2/3/4 - Optimized version of Dexters. Same issues as above but is more stable and generally was the choice as a "home" ROM for many users. I have my wife on this one as we speak. Low maintenance, a good everyday driver. Has App2ext/ Link2sd, native Froyo App2sd.
Cincinnati Bell's "official" 2.2 - More or less a glorified version of Dexters 2.2 but I think the Mioz7AE found a "listening" script that may or may not send info back to developer. I would stay away from this one. Plenty more to choose from.
Wanhu 2.2 (also Wanhu's Kahl's Optimized) - Korean port of 2.2. FM radio and camera does work. Number formatting is off. App2ext works fine as does native Froyo app2sd.
XDA Special/ Hellmonger Edition - This was moveing really well and then Hellmonger's phone crapped out on him and his carrier gave him an HTC Penache, so no more support for this one. But is DOES work and worth a try.
CM6 - our developer Mioze7Ae's masterpiece (for now until he moves on to something else) All the features of CM6, including themer. Has App2ext and Link2sd.
WIPs
Brianlili's Brovo 2.2 - This one is almost done, jsut a few little thing to finish it off.
JYDaddy's CM7 (nightly/ HoNo/ iceandfire...)
FJfalcon's CM7.1 (make massive progress daily on this one as it is being built from source).
Like I said there are +/-'s to each but the are all spelled out for you in the OP of each thread. Plus, unlike other phone forums, we actually answer your questions and dont respond with, "search".
Good luck and remember to always BACK UP.
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S7icky said:
Im on wind also and i truthfully find bravo the best.... everything is really stable and HD cam and whatnot works
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Where is this Bravo??
Also I have rooted..
but I have not found a good guide on Openrecovery. (EDIT) got this done, went through ADB shell.
I unzip the the openrecovery to the sd card.. gives me openrecovery.zip a directory and an images directory.
SO then to flash a new rom I just put the .zip file in the updates directory.. and bingo bongo?
Going to try Cyanogenmod 7.1 first.. not sure where to find the brovo? bravo? mentioned.
James
Custom Recovery is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242259
Bravo is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1332410
All ROMs and Mods are in the Dev thread.
I vote for CM6 RC3 / RC4
it's by far the most stable & fast which allows you to run most resources intensive games
AllGamer said:
I vote for CM6 RC3 / RC4
it's by far the most stable & fast which allows you to run most resources intensive games
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I might give this a try next.. I have bravo tweeked out.. and I like it for the most part.. but there are somethings that dont seem to work as well as my G1.
I will just save my current phone in nand and then I can just reload it all back in - correct??
James
Yes
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this one fjfalcon's CM7 , http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1350453
Nandroid and battery
I just bought an XT720 (Rooted and unlocked)
Is there any way to change the battery level increments from 10% to something more exact like 5% and how do we create a Nandroid back up?
I also want to install bravo2.2 do I need to do a factory reset before installing this rom?
I am running stock rom 2.1
Well if its Rooted, then you should have Open Recovery on it.
When you boot the phone hold VOL up and it will boot in OR...
or when you power off.. it should give you the option to reboot into RECOVERY.
There are lots of threads on here about OR .. but if you follow the menus you should be fine.. on an XT720 you push the camera button (big one) to accept a selection in the OR menu.
You can back up - which will save EVERYTHING.. a Nandroid backup is the best thing to store away somewhere should you mess up your phone.
YES you will have to loose everything when switching from 2.1 to (anything else)
If you are just updating to a newer build of something you put on.. then no.
You do the RESET and clear caches etc.. in OR.
Do a search its all on here .. usually the first page of whatever rom you want to TRY.
Have fun.
James
Thanks for the reply, time to install some rom's
Hilarious...after wading thru a few hundred pages of replies on this phone and the various roms, I completely missed your thread here James which is about as close to what I'm trying to accomplish as imaginable..
I posted some of my saga over here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399242
Do you mind me asking James/BikerBob...how did you make out? Anything I should know (if you have a sec read my long winded post lol!)
Did you have 3G/Wifi switching issues with stock, or maybe you didn't bother testing that / noticed it..before rooting I mean..
thnks!
(don't know if mods merge threads in this forum but mine is probably a candidate! sorry!)
racer321 said:
I just bought an XT720 (Rooted and unlocked)
Is there any way to change the battery level increments from 10% to something more exact like 5% and how do we create a Nandroid back up?
I also want to install bravo2.2 do I need to do a factory reset before installing this rom?
I am running stock rom 2.1
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No, kernal(maybe driver) can't support 5% or 1% percentage battery level.
OK, so I decided that changing the SD card to a class 10 might help app usage ..
I copied the old sd card to the new one.. and if I try and get into OR .. I get the exclimation mark in triangle instead of the OR logo.
What do I need to do to get back into OR? do I need to RE-Root?
James
If you don't have it already, grab Mioze's modded OR for the xt720 & follow the instructions. If that's all you did was to switch sdcards there should be no need to redo everything.
Sorry, never mind the OR issue, my bad.
I have played with this too much.. lol.. get things mixed up..
I had the OpenRecovery.zip from one version mixed with the directory of the other..
Jezz
OR runs from the files on the sdcard (the openrecovery folder & openrecovery.zip) if something is corrupted (or missing) you wont be able to boot into OR.
I am looking to try different rims for my HOX. I was wanting to know if I could download the roms I want to try and install each one then make a nandroid back up. So when I wanna switch I don't have to install each rom then I could just use the backup.
I'm currently running CleanRom 4.5. I am no expert at this. I have only rooted one other phone besides this, it was the Inspire.
Some roms I was planning on looking at were:
Viper
CM10
Nocturnal
CleanRom 5.0
Sorry if the grammar is bad. Sending this from my phone.
Yes, you can do that. Keep in mind you should wipe data before flashing different ROMs. So you need to re-setup each time. But you can still do what you stated in the OP.
NeverToLate said:
I am looking to try different rims for my HOX. I was wanting to know if I could download the roms I want to try and install each one then make a nandroid back up. So when I wanna switch I don't have to install each rom then I could just use the backup.
I'm currently running CleanRom 4.5. I am no expert at this. I have only rooted one other phone besides this, it was the Inspire.
Some roms I was planning on looking at were:
Viper
CM10
Nocturnal
CleanRom 5.0
Sorry if the grammar is bad. Sending this from my phone.
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By all means go for it! I have a few tips for you, as one flasher to another
As redpoint said, each time you flash a new ROM you are starting from scratch. This only refers to your personal data and ROM settings, though. There are a few ways to guarantee that you won't be spending a long time configuring each ROM:
Cloud Storage is your friend! I personally use Dropbox to save anything important to my daily use since I can easily pull up documents stored there from anything connected to the internet. There are much more secure options to store files on the cloud, but you have to pay for the more secure options, and security is not of top importance to me (since I just store homework assignments and basic documents).
Use Google Backup! When you flash new android ROMs, there is a prompt that asks you if you would like to backup your phone to Google's servers. I usually hit yes to this prompt. After you have done this once, when you flash a new ROM and enter your Google account, any Play store apps you had installed will be redownloaded (including any personal data associated with the app, IF it's developer has enabled this feature). It's not a perfect way of restoring your apps, but it sure beats re-entering all of your data each time you want to try a new ROM.
Use services to store your contacts! I took a few days to enter ALL of my contacts into my Gmail account, and it was one of the best decisions I have ever made. Each time I restore my phone, I have all of my contacts available. People who complain about losing all of their contacts along with their phone need to learn about this point.
Remember that your SD card partition stays intact between ROMs! Just because you install a new OS doesn't mean you lose everything. Any music, movies, documents, or even app data that is stored on your SD card is unaffected by flashing something new. This is because your SD card is a completely separate partition of your phone's memory. The One XL may not have a real SD card slot, but you can still treat this partition as separate from the rest of your phone. Personal Tip: I store my backups and ROM zip files in a "Recovery" folder on my SD card partition. Having all of those files in one place simplifies flashing in TWRP.
Avoid using tools like Titanium Backup to restore apps! For a while I decided to use Titanium to restore apps. After a while I realized that all of the errors I was experiencing was the result of mismatched phone IDs, cache errors, and a bunch of other small glitches caused by Titanium backup. It is not the fault of TB and it is still a useful tool, but using Google backup to restore your apps is much cleaner and will result in fewer errors.
Save your text messages! Titanium Backup has the option of saving your text messages as a .xml file, but this is more complex than just using play store applications like SMS Backup & Restore. If you don't back up your SMS, you will look totally unpopular when you keep flashing your phone (and have no text messages at all)!
I hope this list helps you out in your flashing journey. Don't be afraid to try new things, and remember that if you can get into recovery mode, you will be fine (ESPECIALLY if you back up your data in the ways I described).
Thanks for tips
As far as saving everything as you posted. I don't have really that many documents I need and I am a big fan of dropbox haha. As far as my contacts any contacts I put in my phone automatically go to my google account so they always transfer over for me.
I usually delete most text messages at night and that's when I will flash these ROMS as I will not be texting anyone later in the night so, no worries there.
I really only have a few apps that I use, so even if they don't reinstall it doesn't take long to find em.
My main focus of now is just downloaded the roms I want and putting them all on my sd card. Whenever I have time to flash em all I will set them up kind of the way I want em with my apps, then set up the next ROM.
When that process is complete I'll just test each one for a few days/weeks till I find the perfect one for me haha.
I was planning on doing full wipe/reset between each one so I am glad yall confirmed that for me haha. Anything else I should keep an eye out for?
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Yes, you can do that. Keep in mind you should wipe data before flashing different ROMs. So you need to re-setup each time. But you can still do what you stated in the OP.
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I don't have to do reset between nandroid backups do I?
NeverToLate said:
I was planning on doing full wipe/reset between each one so I am glad yall confirmed that for me haha. Anything else I should keep an eye out for?
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Just two things - Most ROMs (especially AOSP) are constantly updating to newer versions, and if you are trying to make ONE snapshot of a ROM and flash back to it whenever you want, be sure that it is a stable version. CM10 and AOKP builds all have bugs, features tend to break each nightly/weekly build, and then get fixed later. Be sure you grab one of the stable builds or at least one that has all of the features you need (NOT necessarily the latest one), otherwise you will be relying on a (potentially) unstable ROM as your backup.
The other thing is, if you were potentially going to flash radio or kernel files, be sure to choose the correct one and flash it each time you install a new ROM or update. Each time you flash a ROM zip, the data for the kernel and radio are overwritten. Especially with radio files, you can break your phone or just cause general errors if you flash the wrong thing (example: flashing a radio+RIL zip on an AOSP ROM can cause serious errors, but the same file is actually preferred on Sense based ROMs). You don't have to worry about these files at all, but if you do end up flashing them, be careful!
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I don't have to do reset between nandroid backups do I?
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Going between nandroids? No, recovery is going to overwrite the user data with the user data from the nandroid, so I don't think you need to worry about it.
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Remember that your SD card partition stays intact between ROMs![/B] Just because you install a new OS doesn't mean you lose everything. Any music, movies, documents, or even app data that is stored on your SD card is unaffected by flashing something new. This is because your SD card is a completely separate partition of your phone's memory. The One XL may not have a real SD card slot, but you can still treat this partition as separate from the rest of your phone. Personal Tip: I store my backups and ROM zip files in a "Recovery" folder on my SD card partition. Having all of those files in one place simplifies flashing in TWRP.
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In theory, that is supposed to be true. But many people (including myself) have had instances of some or all of the SD contents erased or corrupted. The exact cause has still not been found, but possibly just a bug of the phone. I've had it happen several times now. If you have anything irreplaceable on the SD, I would suggest backing it up to your computer, Dropbox, or whatever, before flashing anything. This includes photos of videos that you took, and anything else not easily replaced. Backing up one known good nandroid is not a bad idea, either, just in case.
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Just two things - Most ROMs (especially AOSP) are constantly updating to newer versions, and if you are trying to make ONE snapshot of a ROM and flash back to it whenever you want, be sure that it is a stable version. CM10 and AOKP builds all have bugs, features tend to break each nightly/weekly build, and then get fixed later. Be sure you grab one of the stable builds or at least one that has all of the features you need (NOT necessarily the latest one), otherwise you will be relying on a (potentially) unstable ROM as your backup.
The other thing is, if you were potentially going to flash radio or kernel files, be sure to choose the correct one and flash it each time you install a new ROM or update. Each time you flash a ROM zip, the data for the kernel and radio are overwritten. Especially with radio files, you can break your phone or just cause general errors if you flash the wrong thing (example: flashing a radio+RIL zip on an AOSP ROM can cause serious errors, but the same file is actually preferred on Sense based ROMs). You don't have to worry about these files at all, but if you do end up flashing them, be careful!
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I don't plan on flashing any radios. As I did with the inspire, and it messed up my service bad and I didn't know how to fix it again. I didn't now too much about it then. Which I still don't but I know more now than I did then.
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Anything else I should keep an eye out for?
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Be sure you are using TWRP, and not Clockworkmod. CWM has known problems, as our device is not really supported (its just a port) and also USB mount is not working (which may be relevant if you run into problems such as the SD corruption I've mentioned).
I will be using TWRP. If I'm not mistaken I did a nandroid back up of stock rooted. I plan on copying my sd card to my computer external hd just for safety. I have a HTC One X Folder that I will put my roms in stuff in as well.
I will try to take screenshots of battery life for each day I use a certain rom. The battery probably won't go below 30% but screenshots would give a good idea to other people. And I will try to update my thoughts on each rom. Not promising I will get to but I will try.
I am going to download and check md5s today.
Idk if I will flash one tonight or not.
Also I may try to have a nandroid back up of the same rom if it has Sense and a non-Sense version. I have never tried a non Sense rom so I am really trying to figure out what I like best.
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Also I may try to have a nandroid back up of the same rom if it has Sense and a non-Sense version. I have never tried a non Sense rom so I am really trying to figure out what I like best.
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I hope you like blue If not, take a look at this thread for some CM10 themes.
Any ROM based on Sense will still have remnants of HTC's UI somewhere. When there are deSensed versions (such as CleanROM V), usually the dev is trying to get closer to the stock Android look. I personally either go all the way and flash an AOSP ROM, or stay with stock Sense, because anywhere inbetween usually lacks polish and continuity. I'm exceptionally picky though
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I hope you like blue If not, take a look at this thread for some CM10 themes.
Any ROM based on Sense will still have remnants of HTC's UI somewhere. When there are deSensed versions (such as CleanROM V), usually the dev is trying to get closer to the stock Android look. I personally either go all the way and flash an AOSP ROM, or stay with stock Sense, because anywhere inbetween usually lacks polish and continuity. I'm exceptionally picky though
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Blue is actually my favorite color lol. Could you point me to the CM10 rom?
Here are the roms I am downloading as of now:
KingCobra
Nocturnal Special Edition
Viper
Clean Rom 5.0
Any other ideas on maybe one or two more roms?
I bookmarked that link you posted. I prob won't do much with themes until I find the right ROM. Even then the most I usually do is wallpapers lol. But will look more into after finding a ROM.
What rom would you suggest on CM or AOKP? What build? I don't know much about those. Never really looked in the original development forum lol.
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What rom would you suggest on CM or AOKP? What build? I don't know much about those. Never really looked in the original development forum lol.
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I just flashed the latest build (cm-10-20121001-EXPERIMENTAL-evita.zip) a few hours ago and it has been just fine with me, very smooth with no crashes so far. You can download the nightly builds here, but like I said earlier not all of them are stable. CM10 is developed for multiple devices with different hardware. Our One XL is code named "evita", so before you flash ANYTHING be sure that it has "evita" in the file name. Be sure to look at the development thread, or at least the OP, if you want to get more information.
As for AOKP, it seems like build 4 (the latest) may be having some issues. I don't use that ROM so check out the dev thread if you need help.
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I just flashed the latest build (cm-10-20121001-EXPERIMENTAL-evita.zip) a few hours ago and it has been just fine with me, very smooth with no crashes so far. You can download the nightly builds here, but like I said earlier not all of them are stable. CM10 is developed for multiple devices with different hardware. Our One XL is code named "evita", so before you flash ANYTHING be sure that it has "evita" in the file name. Be sure to look at the development thread, or at least the OP, if you want to get more information.
As for AOKP, it seems like build 4 (the latest) may be having some issues. I don't use that ROM so check out the dev thread if you need help.
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What's the different in the Nightly and Experimental? I would like to try a CM since I never have before. Probably will be the last one I download
Also on the CM10 forum it says something about find Gapps? Is that something I search for and download and flash?
Update
Downloaded Roms with md5 checked and now on my sim card:
Clean Rom 5.0
CM10
King Cobra
Nocturnal Special Edition
Viper
Just need help on what I need to download for Gapps to install CM10
What Rom should I test first?
King Cobra
Viper
Nocturnal
I'm on nocturnal and loving it.
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Hi,
I am new this this whole Samsung Galaxy S3 customization. Yesterday, I took the big risk of getting my phone bricked and successfully rooted my phone. Now, I am interested in installing some interesting ROMs and uninstall some uninteresting bloatware. However, I do not know where and how to start.
Just a quick note. I have followed [GUIDE] Root for Jelly Bean 4.1.1 or 4.1.2 OTA ***UPDATED 3/5*** to customize my phone, using ClockworkMod Touch Recovery 6.0.2.3 and MD5: 8C3DA18BD5DEF7E38E03DD147A0E10A1 for VRBMB1 (Jelly Bean 4.1.2). My phone's Model Number is SCH-I535, Android Version 4.1.2.
The first thing I want to do is to reformat my phone. By that, I mean improving the battery life, speed, and practically everything else related to those two things I just said. I have read somewhere that custom ROMs can improve battery life, as well as make everything in the phone move faster and smoother. A few ROMs have caught my attention, but I am unsure of which ROM to use. I have also noticed that you can change the battery preferences without the need of a ROM, but nevertheless, a custom ROM couldn't hurt. Plus, I really want to change the theme of my phone, specifically replacing them with [OMG][THEME] 03.21 - Ultimate OMG Theme - 35 Choices - Aroma - CleanROM/Stock.
So the first question is, which is the most preferred ROM to use for my phone? (Or better yet, do I even need a custom ROM?) So far, my main goal is to improve the speed and battery life. But I have noticed that you must factory reset your phone. That is a little discouraging as there are many personal things in my phone that I would love to keep. I do have Titanium Backup, however, I am unsure of how to use it. Is there a guide on how to use Titanium Backup? I am also concerned that a factory reset can and will clear everything in Titanium Backup as well. The next thing is, I am using Next Launcher by Go Developers. I really enjoy the launcher and would like to continue using it. Will I still be able to use the launcher in custom ROMs?
Thank you for your help!
Zarotu said:
Hi,
I am new this this whole Samsung Galaxy S3 customization. Yesterday, I took the big risk of getting my phone bricked and successfully rooted my phone. Now, I am interested in installing some interesting ROMs and uninstall some uninteresting bloatware. However, I do not know where and how to start.
Just a quick note. I have followed [GUIDE] Root for Jelly Bean 4.1.1 or 4.1.2 OTA ***UPDATED 3/5*** to customize my phone, using ClockworkMod Touch Recovery 6.0.2.3 and MD5: 8C3DA18BD5DEF7E38E03DD147A0E10A1 for VRBMB1 (Jelly Bean 4.1.2). My phone's Model Number is SCH-I535, Android Version 4.1.2.
The first thing I want to do is to reformat my phone. By that, I mean improving the battery life, speed, and practically everything else related to those two things I just said. I have read somewhere that custom ROMs can improve battery life, as well as make everything in the phone move faster and smoother. A few ROMs have caught my attention, but I am unsure of which ROM to use. I have also noticed that you can change the battery preferences without the need of a ROM, but nevertheless, a custom ROM couldn't hurt. Plus, I really want to change the theme of my phone, specifically replacing them with [OMG][THEME] 03.21 - Ultimate OMG Theme - 35 Choices - Aroma - CleanROM/Stock.
So the first question is, which is the most preferred ROM to use for my phone? (Or better yet, do I even need a custom ROM?) So far, my main goal is to improve the speed and battery life. But I have noticed that you must factory reset your phone. That is a little discouraging as there are many personal things in my phone that I would love to keep. I do have Titanium Backup, however, I am unsure of how to use it. Is there a guide on how to use Titanium Backup? I am also concerned that a factory reset can and will clear everything in Titanium Backup as well. The next thing is, I am using Next Launcher by Go Developers. I really enjoy the launcher and would like to continue using it. Will I still be able to use the launcher in custom ROMs?
Thank you for your help!
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You don't have to flash a custom ROM to improve battery just a custom kernel. There are a lot of custom tweaks that the developers put in their ROMs to further improve the ROM some you can put yourself. As for the themes the stock ROM has to be deodexed in order for the themes to work. Lastly Next launcher is an app and the last time I checked all launcher apps work on rooted phones.
jmxc23 said:
You don't have to flash a custom ROM to improve battery just a custom kernel. There are a lot of custom tweaks that the developers put in their ROMs to further improve the ROM some you can put yourself. As for the themes the stock ROM has to be deodexed in order for the themes to work. Lastly Next launcher is an app and the last time I checked all launcher apps work on rooted phones.
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Thank you for the reply. Seeing how it is, where can I find custom kernels and/or a guide on how to install and use a custom kernel on my phone? I do not quite understand what you mean when "the stock ROM has to be deodexed in order for the themes to work." Lets say I am interested in one of those custom theme, does that mean I have to personally deodex the ROMs or can I just follow the instructions stated in the main thread? So far I do not have a custom ROM after rooting my phone. Everything is still the same since I did the last step, which was to flash the Jelly Bean Bootchain.
Edit: Is there a thread I can look at find to get more information on how to prepare my phone for theming and modding? Information such as deodexing my phone, and other preparation information. I can't seem to find a good thread.
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Thank you for the reply. Seeing how it is, where can I find custom kernels and/or a guide on how to install and use a custom kernel on my phone? I do not quite understand what you mean when "the stock ROM has to be deodexed in order for the themes to work." Lets say I am interested in one of those custom theme, does that mean I have to personally deodex the ROMs or can I just follow the instructions stated in the main thread? So far I do not have a custom ROM after rooting my phone. Everything is still the same since I did the last step, which was to flash the Jelly Bean Bootchain.
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In the original android development is where you will find the kernels. Most of the kernel threads will provide links and the information you need. If you are planning on flashing KT747 kernel here is some additional information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2144004
Whoa, hold up on the custom kernels and custom rom stuff.
1. You need to make a back up with either twrp or cwm. Next put your important files on your external sd including your efi. Idk if titanium backup allows you to store app back ups on the external sd or not but I assume it does (I use a diff app). You don't have to format your internal sd to flash a custom rom, you have to format the system partition.
Take a minute to make sure you have the prerequisites before moding your phone more. You cannot possibly want to be doing all this so soon especially if you just got into this yesterday.
2. Your still on a stock rom, which is odexed. If you want to customize your rom you need to be on a deodexed rom most of the time. This is a the simple abbreviated difference between odexed and deodexed.
3. Luke took on Vader, even though he was a new rookie padawan. He didnt have a good grip on what he was doing, and karma took his hand and slapped him in the face with irony for it. You might find yourself falling a deep hole of problems if you don't read up more on what you're doing. Do yourself a favor and stay on the god damn dagobah system awhile.
One final thing I have to say is do some research it will help you a lot.
Well, if you want the pure AOSP feel with a CM base, yet uber customization and tweakability I would go with paranoidkangdroid. It mixes CM as a base, with AOKP and ParanoidAndroid. This is what I use and I love it. Cleanrom is a touchwiz rom and I personally feel that while TW roms are stable and usually butter, they are all missing some aspects of customization. Link to the rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2186838. However that's my opinion. I prefer the clean stock google experience, others may not. Happy flashing
EDIT: before you go flash anything make sure you do the following: (in this order)
1. Root device
2. Unlock the bootloader
3. Install TWRP (or CWM, I like TWRP)
4. Make a backup of the current stock rom
5. Take all the things you want to save (pictures) and back them up to your computer.
6. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TRY TO INSTALL A ROM MADE FOR THE INTERNATIONAL, AT&T, NOTE2, etc. You will brick your phone. Stick to the Verizon variant thread and you should be fine. If getting the rom from another website, make sure it is made for SCH-I535 or D2VZW.
nrock2256 said:
Well, if you want the pure AOSP feel with a CM base, yet uber customization and tweakability I would go with paranoidkangdroid. It mixes CM as a base, with AOKP and ParanoidAndroid. This is what I use and I love it. Cleanrom is a touchwiz rom and I personally feel that while TW roms are stable and usually butter, they are all missing some aspects of customization. Link to the rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2186838. However that's my opinion. I prefer the clean stock google experience, others may not. Happy flashing
EDIT: before you go flash anything make sure you do the following: (in this order)
1. Root device
2. Unlock the bootloader
3. Install TWRP (or CWM, I like TWRP)
4. Make a backup of the current stock rom
5. Take all the things you want to save (pictures) and back them up to your computer.
6. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TRY TO INSTALL A ROM MADE FOR THE INTERNATIONAL, AT&T, NOTE2, etc. You will brick your phone. Stick to the Verizon variant thread and you should be fine. If getting the rom from another website, make sure it is made for SCH-I535 or D2VZW.
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Ok he is a newbie in this so pretty much AOSP especially those are a little bit advance for him.
jmxc23 said:
Ok he is a newbie in this so pretty much AOSP especially those are a little bit advance for him.
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Haha! Seeing how there is so much to know before I can get started on anything, I believe I will be needing to do more research. So first thing's first. If all I did was root my phone, using the clockwork recovery mod, what should be my next move? Where do I go from here? I have been searching, but have not yet found a guide. How do I backup my stuff in clockwork recovery mod? What do I do if I do not have an external SD card? Haha, I didn't think customizing your phone would be this difficult.
Thank you.
Zarotu said:
Haha! Seeing how there is so much to know before I can get started on anything, I believe I will be needing to do more research. So first thing's first. If all I did was root my phone, using the clockwork recovery mod, what should be my next move? Where do I go from here? I have been searching, but have not yet found a guide. How do I backup my stuff in clockwork recovery mod? What do I do if I do not have an external SD card? Haha, I didn't think customizing your phone would be this difficult.
Thank you.
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It is more confusing than it is difficult.
Essentially your next move is preparing yourself incase you fail flashing a rom. You need to do the following:
1. Get a micro sdcard, atleast 16gb
2. Make a back up on the external sd you acquired in step 1 above. This can be done from cwm by selecting "Back up and restore" from the menu, followed by selecting the back up option that says back up to external sd.
3. Now download the rom you want on to your external sd card. Find out if the rom requires gapps or any other supplemental downloads and put them on the external sd as well.
4. Next, report back here for further instructions.
(I havent used cwm for a while so the instructions I gave there are from memory, double check on that)
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Surge1223 said:
Essentially your next move is preparing yourself incase you fail flashing a rom. You need to do the following:
1. Get a micro sdcard, atleast 16gb
2. Make a back up on the external sd you acquired in step 1 above. This can be done from cwm by selecting "Back up and restore" from the menu, followed by selecting the back up option that says back up to external sd.
3. Now download the rom you want on to your external sd card. Find out if the rom requires gapps or any other supplemental downloads and put them on the external sd as well.
4. Next, report back here for further instructions.
(I havent used cwm for a while so the instructions I gave there are from memory, double check on that)
Surge1223
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Okay what if the person doesn't have the money as of now to purchase an sd card? Are there other ways to back up their data?
Sure you can back it up on your internal sd card, but generally you would only do that if you were very familiar with how your recovery works and know exactly what you were doing. Most of the time that means you've had previous experience with the rom your flashing and/or arent too woried about your stuff getting deleted. Usually its a good idea to keep a flashable zip of a deodexed stock rom, radio, recovery, bootchain, etc. In the internal if your doing that but since he's just starting out I wouldn't do that and I usually dont anyways. Its risky and not worth losing your stuff when you could just spend a couple bucks and get a external micro sd.
Surge1223
Surge1223 said:
Sure you can back it up on your internal sd card, but generally you would only do that if you were very familiar with how your recovery works and know exactly what you were doing. Most of the time that means you've had previous experience with the rom your flashing and/or arent too woried about your stuff getting deleted. Usually its a good idea to keep a flashable zip of a deodexed stock rom, radio, recovery, bootchain, etc. In the internal if your doing that but since he's just starting out I wouldn't do that and I usually dont anyways. Its risky and not worth losing your stuff when you could just spend a couple bucks and get a external micro sd.
Surge1223
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Micro SD price range from $5-$100 retail when not on sale and the retail price depends on the storage size. So if the person is hard on cash or has more important things to spend their money she/he might not be able to buy the micro sd with the couple of bucks that you said it cost. The reason I asked those questions is that not everyone has a couple of dollars to spare on a micro sd card so all possible ways to back up data should be mentioned not just what you or I think is the best thing to do. For instance I have my data backed up on my computer via external hard drive as well as Google drive, box and Dropbox. I also use Carbon instead of the titanium backup app that everyone suggests to use. So they can use their computer, cloud storage service, external hard drive, micro sd cards and apps to backup their data.
Its not a matter of whether its possible or not, I mean yeah you can also make a system image of your pc using DVD's instead of a portable hdd or flash drive. I can understand people may be short on cash, but if you have enough time and money to root your phone, pay for a data plan, subscribe to the internet, you can budget 5 dollars. Hell, you could even start using bing rewards to get yourself a 5$ Amazon credit.
All I am saying mainly is that there are more ways to back up your data besides micro sd cards and that all people new to rooting should know more then one way as something can go wrong your micro sd card so your data should be backed up in other ways to insure that you can restore your data.
I hear ya, I guess I just think because I learned my own how to use other methods I assumed that as people got more familiar with flashing roms, etc, that they'd learn eventually too. But hey to each his own. IMO, the external sd is the easiest, fastest, and most reliable way so in this case, I think we should leave well enough alone.
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