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Was reading in another thread (which was closed while I was writing a reply) that some people here might be confused around what 4G is and whether or not their Cappy can be upgraded to it.
First, the simple answer:
Your Cappy cannot be upgraded to 4G. Now or ever. It is possible that it could be upgraded to HSPA+ with the right software. But that is not 4G. 4G is a different radio access protocol running at different frequencies.
The longer answer:
The source of all this confusion is T-Mobile's marketing department who claim their HSPA+ network is 4G. 4G is not HSPA+ or anything like it. It is 3.5G. Much like GPRS and EDGE were 2.5G. LTE (the real 4G) is far superior to HSPA+ for several reasons regardless of the bandwidth claims. Mainly 4G will not suffer nearly as much from congestion like 3G HSPA / HSPA+. It is that same 3G congestion that motivated AT&T to turn off HSUPA on our phones. It's because AT&T's 3G network (UMTS, HSPA, and HSPA+) is already heavily congested in many markets.
Only posting this so people don't think they can get true 4G on their Cappy. It won't happen.
AT&T is also marketing their 4G service as HSPA+, with LTE technology entering their network late 2011.
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AT&T is also marketing their 4G service as HSPA+, with LTE technology entering their network late 2011.
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Yes, they've started down that path as well. Just don't expect 4G speeds on any of these "4G" devices unless you're the only smartphone user for miles. I truly wonder what AT&T and eventually T-Mobile will call their LTE networks. 4G 2.0?
From AT&T:
Not all 4G networks are created equal. AT&T is the only carrier that will offer two layers of network technology delivering 4G speeds – HSPA+ and LTE.*
Why does that matter?
When combined with enhanced backhaul, our HSPA+ software upgrade is expected to deliver speeds up to 4x faster than ordinary mobile broadband. And we'll be evolving to even higher speeds with the planned initial launch of our LTE network in mid-2011. When you're traveling on our networks, you'll enjoy faster speeds and a smoother, more consistent mobile broadband experience overall.
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So is HSPA+ just a software upgrade with no hardware enhancements in the cellphones or towers?
I do understand the reasoning behind AT&T doing HSPA+ before LTE as it offers reasonably fast speeds in areas where LTE has not matured. If it is indeed only software based, I wouldn't mind seeing an increase from HSPA 7.2Mbps to pseudo "4G" HSPA+ 21Mbps (although these speeds are "up to") on the captivate. Will HSPA+ be up to 21Mbps right out of the gate?
My brother uses epic 4G on Sprint, and in areas of no 4G wimax, his 3G speeds are abysmal... Has sprint stopped upgrading their 3G and is only concentrating on the expansion of 4G?
According to that, AT&T's HSPA+ will end up faster than Sprint's 4G (3-6Mbps on average and up to 10Mbps) unless they pick up the pace.
For LTE (5-12Mbps) according to Verizon.
So is 4G labeling the technology once fully matured (Up to 100Mbps for both LTE and Wimax) or current speed being delivered? Because Sprint and Verizon do advertise their current technologies as being "4G speeds" which AT&T can defeat if their HSPA+ (56Mbps matured) is 21Mbps out of the gate.
The way I see it is that 4G speeds have never existed and should never have been advertised (started by Sprint), but the technology to get there is currently in the building phase.
First post, so I can't back up the speed claims with links directly to Sprint and Verizon 4G speed pages lol
And please correct me if I'm wrong on anything... I'm here to learn.
4G isn't that far away I think AT&T is playing it safe with the 4G in the future thing. I have a couple friends that install att towers and phone lines they have been crazy busy establishing the 4G network in the major cities in know for a fact that most of Dallas and Ft. Worth will be 4G ready this spring as for outlying areas that will take some time. But if you live in a big city area expect your LTE right off the bat
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LTE is not 4G it still falls under the 3G umbrella along with WIMAX. 4G technologies can do 100M down.
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4G isn't that far away I think AT&T is playing it safe with the 4G in the future thing. I have a couple friends that install att towers and phone lines they have been crazy busy establishing the 4G network in the major cities in know for a fact that most of Dallas and Ft. Worth will be 4G ready this spring as for outlying areas that will take some time. But if you live in a big city area expect your LTE right off the bat
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It better be here, it's their home
Does anybody else remember this?
http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com...works-provides-teliasonera-with-advanced-radi
Just thought this could help a bit.
I just need to clarify one more point in addition to OP's post:
Even though HSPA+ is merely a software upgrade in the carrier side (towers), so far it is not the case with phones. So far there is no phone out there that can be software upgraded to take advantage of HSPA+'s higher speed. T-Mo has to release Galaxy S 4G phone to get 4G support. HSPA+ towers offer backward compatibility with current 3G phones but it doesn't mean you will get higher speed by default (much like 11n routers supports 11G and 11B clients but only 11n client can reach the max bandwidth).
And no, HSDPA + HSUPA does not equal to HSPA+.
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LTE is not 4G it still falls under the 3G umbrella along with WIMAX. 4G technologies can do 100M down.
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Only according to a few people within the ITU. 4G is LTE (and for a few sorry sorry suckers, it is WiMAX). Or at least that is how everyone in the industry sees it (outside of T-Mobile USA and now AT&T and a bunch of confused customers).
As far as speeds are concerned, we should treat Mbps throughput ratings with a grain of salt. Those are ideal world, no contention data rates which when taken out of the lab are purely theoretical. HSPA+ is an upgrade. LTE is a whole new set of radio access, backhaul and core technologies.
My friend has a "4G" LTE phone from Verizon and he got 4 or 5 mbps while I got over 5 on HSPA.
Hey all,
I'm sharing the link from Verizon's website of their 3G/4G Coverage Map. You can see how close 4G is to you, way more specifically than a city only.
For instance, Memphis does not have LTE officially but there are areas in the south part of the area (Germantown/Collierville) that do have LTE. I've confirmed this myself.
So if you have not experienced LTE and/or it's expected in your area soon, you can search by address and see exactly how close it is to you.
This is straight from the horse's (VZW) mouth, no bull or speculation.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/CoverageLocatorController?requesttype=NEWREQUEST&lid=//global//coverage%20locator
I am at least several miles inside the 4G area in the Oklahoma City area, yet I only get a weak 3G signal. I need to get yet another mile into the area indicated for 4G coverage in order to pull in a 4G signal. I mention this because the maps on the Verizon Wireless website probably imply more specificity than they should. I'm sure they use some detailed GIS (DEM, etc.), but by being able to zoom in so far, it implies that there's a level of certainty in their coverage. My own anecdotal evidence indicates that this is not the case. YMMV, of course.
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I am at least several miles inside the 4G area in the Oklahoma City area, yet I only get a weak 3G signal. I need to get yet another mile into the area indicated for 4G coverage in order to pull in a 4G signal. I mention this because the maps on the Verizon Wireless website probably imply more specificity than they should. I'm sure they use some detailed GIS (DEM, etc.), but by being able to zoom in so far, it implies that there's a level of certainty in their coverage. My own anecdotal evidence indicates that this is not the case. YMMV, of course.
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Well as with any coverage, just because you're in a salmon colored area on the map, doesn't mean LTE is guaranteed. I'm no network engineer but that's my guess.
If OKC is a LTE city, I'd call Verizon and ask them. If not, I'd wait it out and stick to 3G until it's official or turns on at your house.
The maps aren't an exact science but should suppress some people's neediness to know when they'll have it in there area.
Just from what others have said in the past versus what verizon says is that what verizon says has LTE may or may not in reality have LTE
I live in an "LTE area" by verizon's map, but in reality it's more like "LTE extended" where LTE likes to drop in and out whenever it feels like.
Map is wrong by me
I live in San Diego and the 4G coverage map on VZW isn't even close, like showing no coverage within 15 miles but I get 4G. There is also my thought that they are currently testing/opening up the 4G signal so they probably know it isn't worth being accurate with that map, and could care less about that being accurate. Their consistency with the new LTE has been shoddy so far anyway..... I also get the terrible 3G in my room, but down the street is cranking the LTE signal. I suspect karma??
I live in an "extended 4G LTE" area and have never gotten 4G. I have to drive a good 5 miles inside the map's 4G coverage area to get a LTE. The map is not reliable, and pretty much useless IMO.
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I live in an "extended 4G LTE" area and have never gotten 4G. I have to drive a good 5 miles inside the map's 4G coverage area to get a LTE. The map is not reliable, and pretty much useless IMO.
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Sounds like a problem for Verizon.
But I appreciate your positive opinion.
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I live in an "extended 4G LTE" area and have never gotten 4G. I have to drive a good 5 miles inside the map's 4G coverage area to get a LTE. The map is not reliable, and pretty much useless IMO.
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a vzw tech actually told me Verizon doesn't even go by those maps, they have their own internal ones, and he then went on to say something about satellites and coverage, I have no clue. but basically he said they aren't accurate and it doesn't really matter if it says you have 4G or not because of the little disclaimer the coverage maps have.
Its nice to see Verizon posting their best attempt at where their 4G signal can/may/does reach. Thanks for the link OP!
On a very quick side note.... Verizon's 3G map really bothers me, as it doesn't show a clear comparison where signal may be poor. It only says Yes or No you won't have signal, where "Yes" may be.... "Sure, you'll get signal here, but you need to be on the roof of your house jumping on one foot.... but thats only on the second tuesday of the month".... like at my house. I like Sprint/AT&T/T-Mobile's coverage maps because they show the different levels of signal available.
That map is bs unless its 3g and 4g because I live in tallahassee, Florida and rarely get 4g. The main place I get 4g is my home where I don't need it but that map says tallahassee is completely covered which is bullsh!t
I travel pretty extensively in the northeast and the map does rough justice to 4G availability but there is certainly variance depending on location.
OKC, OK LTE 30mbps down.
4g out in houston
ugh having 4g issues in houston
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OKC, OK LTE 30mbps down.
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Wow! That's blistering fast. Wish that was normal speed. Lol
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Being a radio engineer for almost 10 years I can tell you those maps are more than likely just computer generated estimates of ranges given certain perameters, they usually don't take into account natural and unnatural obstructions, atmospheric density or humidity concentrations which can effect signal strength. I would be surprised if the vzw techs even go by those maps
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Well as with any coverage, just because you're in a salmon colored area on the map, doesn't mean LTE is guaranteed. I'm no network engineer but that's my guess.
If OKC is a LTE city, I'd call Verizon and ask them. If not, I'd wait it out and stick to 3G until it's official or turns on at your house.
The maps aren't an exact science but should suppress some people's neediness to know when they'll have it in there area.
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Yeah this map says I should be getting 4G at my house and all around my area, but I only get a weak 1-2 bar 3G signal. I have to travel 8+ miles to get 4G.
it's funny, i'm in north San Diego county and do not have 4G. Verizon did a service update on the 21st adding a few cities around me to 4G coverage yet here by the beach, no 4G.
even more, for awhile i lived in this tiny town on the Oregon coast(Lincoln City) and from Verizon's coverage map it looks like they have 4G there now. wtf !!!!
i called Verizon asking when 4G will be available here and they just told me they have no idea that their technicians who work on the towers are the only ones with the work plans and do not communicate with them. sure!
so basically had a 4G phone for nearly 6 months now and still no 4G. and to think, Verizon's been making such a big deal about 4G in stores, commercial, billboards, etc all around this area for some time now to.
i think the saddest part is for the new people who no longer get unlimited data and once they are on 4G they'll go over their data in like a a day or 2.
i seem to finally be receiving 4G coverage here in San Diego (north county coastal). speeds are no where near as impressive as the 4G they have in downtown San Diego though.
in downtown SD was able to download a 700MB file in about 5 minutes. here in the N.C. coastal area it takes about 20 minutes. still, better then the 1 1/2 - 2 hours it took on 3G.
weird thing though, according to the verizon 4g coverage map on verizon's website, it still says that there is no 4G in my area yet + i was at a verizon store earlier and the 4G phones they have on display still say 3G.
does it have something to do with updating to the new radio(possibly being able to pick up a 4G that isn't officially turned on in this area yet?) i'm also on a sense 3.5 rom.
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i seem to finally be receiving 4G coverage here in San Diego (north county coastal). speeds are no where near as impressive as the 4G they have in downtown San Diego though.
in downtown SD was able to download a 700MB file in about 5 minutes. here in the N.C. coastal area it takes about 20 minutes. still, better then the 1 1/2 - 2 hours it took on 3G.
weird thing though, according to the verizon 4g coverage map on verizon's website, it still says that there is no 4G in my area yet + i was at a verizon store earlier and the 4G phones they have on display still say 3G.
does it have something to do with updating to the new radio(possibly being able to pick up a 4G that isn't officially turned on in this area yet?) i'm also on a sense 3.5 rom.
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The radio might have something to do with it, but there's no way to know for sure. It's kinda pokey in the beginning.
Where in north county? In Oceanside and no 4g yet.
Odds are, they're simply turning it on tower by tower or possibly just testing it. Until it's fully up and running, do NOT expect VZW to say they have 4G in your area or update their online maps.
Should they run radio ads saying "Enjoy amazing 4G speeds on Verizon's network, but only in voxigenboy's general area" ?
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Where in north county? In Oceanside and no 4g yet.
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I'm in Carlsbad (92008) but also tested in Oceanside (92054). 4G all the way.
the radio I'm using is that newer 9## one.. its not the MR 3.5
there was a link to it in that sense 3.5 look-a-like rom thread.
oddly enough, even though Oceanside is closer to the towers I've been getting a stronger signal in Carlsbad. for instance, that Angelo's Burgers in South O, I used to get full 3G reception there.. now on 4G the signal there sucks.
then the Carlsbad library on CVB, it used to have a ****ty 3G signal... now the 4G there is very strong.
Weird, I'm on the fringe of Oceanside but I haven't noticed 4g anywhere i've been. Even downtown. Seen it in some parts of Carlsbad but haven't been around there too recently.
4g seems weird. I am in a strong 4g area but do not get it at my house but do at the station about 2 miles down the road I do.
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Odds are, they're simply turning it on tower by tower or possibly just testing it. Until it's fully up and running, do NOT expect VZW to say they have 4G in your area or update their online maps.
Should they run radio ads saying "Enjoy amazing 4G speeds on Verizon's network, but only in voxigenboy's general area" ?
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^What he said. 4G came and went for about 3 weeks in Indy before it was officially here.
Im disappointed, I live about 45 mins outside of Savannah Georgia, and still no LTE... Only place I pick it up is when I head to Jacksonville/St Augustine area... ISO my LTE
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There's still no LTE in 92056, 92058, 92057 or anywhere else in Oceanside. Maybe they were just testing it. Vista, Fallbrook and Camp Pendleton still dont have it either. I noticed that Verizon recently lit up all of Riverside County west of the mountains but it seems like they are doing a poor job in San Diego. They are adding one or two cities at a time. Hopefully, that Riverside County crew will move into our area and show the lazy San Diego Verizon workers how to upgrade a network.
You guys are complaining I am in NJ in the state of Verizon's headquters and we have up north and heading toward phillips that's it and in every time they turn on more radios never do they mention NJ so I am thinking 2013
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I'm jealous of some of the speeds some of you guys in other LTE neighborhoods are getting, but so far my speeds in and around the Chicago burbs are no where near the 40 megs down or consistently at 20 megs down.
The fastest i've been able to hit are 25down and 9up right outside Chicago, on the road, in a suburb northwest of Chicago. On a consistent basis, I usually get about 9up and 9down at home on the northside of Chicago and the same applies when i'm 25 or 30 miles out in the burbs...
I found an interesting PC Magazine article i thought i'd share because it details why Chicago may be experiencing slower speeds than other areas such as in Houston and Atlanta.
I like the speeds I consistently get on this phone and find browsing the web on it speedy though; very happy with the skyrocket! How fast do you consistently get and where are you located?
PC Magazine: Why is AT&T LTE Fast In Houston, Slow In Chicago?
AT&T's LTE is the fastest network in Houston, but it's nowhere near as fast in Chicago. In our tests in Houston, we found that AT&T's brand-new 4G, LTE network achieved stellar speeds averaging 24.64Mbps down. But in tests in Chicago, LAPTOP Magazine found anemic speeds: a mere 5.59Mbps down. What's up?
The Big Blue carrier launched its new 4G network on Sunday with five cities: Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Atlanta, and Chicago. As I pointed out in our test results story, Chicago stands out; it's not considered one of AT&T's strongest markets, and AT&T's LTE coverage there isn't as comprehensive as it is in the other launch cities.
Look at the results in the chart below. (The vertical axis is speed in Mbps, the Chicago data is from LAPTOP's study, and I'm really bad at making Excel charts on deadline.) What's striking is how consistent Verizon's speeds are compared to AT&T's wildly varying results.
AT&T vs. Verizon LTE Speeds
I've asked AT&T about these differences, and it hasn't gotten back to me yet. But the reason appears to be spectrum, and it means there's going to be much sharper differences in AT&T speeds city by city than there will be with Verizon's speeds.
Why AT&T is Fast - And Slow
According to Phone Scoop, AT&T has 24MHz of 700MHz spectrum in its Texas launch cities, but only 12MHz in Chicago. That means it can run its LTE network on paired 10-MHz channels in Texas, but it has to use 5MHz channels in Chicago. Verizon, on the other hand, has at least 22MHz everywhere in the nation, so it can use at least 10MHz channels everywhere.
AT&T plans to supplement its network with its AWS 1700MHz holdings as well, which could help the situation in the future. It's just not using it yet. As this Phone Scoop map shows, AT&T (then Cingular) also owns AWS spectrum scattered throughout the country, including in Chicago.
So is this what 5MHz LTE channels look like? Fortunately, we have another example of a 5MHz LTE rollout in the U.S.: MetroPCS. MetroPCS is actually running 4G LTE on even narrower channels in some cities, down to 1.4MHz. But in Dallas, for instance, MetroPCS is running its LTE network in a 5x5 arrangement.
In our Fastest Mobile Networks test, we found that MetroPCS's Dallas LTE network averaged 2.64Mbps and peaked at 6.3Mbps. That was in a loaded, real-life scenario, too. So AT&T's Chicago result of 5.93Mbps without any load is within that range, showing that AT&T's problem in Chicago may be spectrum.
Early this year, AT&T's chief technology officer John Donovan told MuniWireless that the company needs 10Mhz channels for optimal speeds.
"You can deploy [LTE] using 5×5, but that doesn’t last you very long given the way data is being used today," Donovan told the site.
AT&T argues that the solution is to merge with T-Mobile and buy Qualcomm's 700MHz spectrum as well. Qualcomm has some 700MHz spectrum in the highly populated Northeast Corridor and California that AT&T has proposed to buy. T-Mobile doesn't have any 700MHz spectrum at all, though; the advantage there would be to increase AT&T's 1700MHz AWS holdings.
AT&T's plan also seems to assume the carrier won't use any of its existing 850MHz or 1900MHz spectrum for LTE, including the spectrum that's currently used for 2G EDGE. According to a chart at the bottom of this MuniWireless story, that's where AT&T's spectrum strength is: while Verizon owns more 700Mhz spectrum than AT&T, AT&T generally owns considerably more 1900Mhz than Verizon.
What This Means For You
Cities where AT&T has more 700MHz spectrum will probably roll out earlier and have better speeds. According to Phone Scoop, that includes Baltimore, Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, New York, Philadelphia, St. Louis, San Francisco, and Washington.
Cities where AT&T has less 700MHz spectrum will have slower speeds; that includes Miami and LA. And areas where AT&T has neither 700MHz or AWS spectrum will get LTE last of all; that doesn't include many major cities, but much of the states of Iowa, West Virginia, Kentucky and the Florida Panhandle all fall under this category.
T-Mobile has turned to HSPA+ 42, which it argues is a more efficient way to use small amounts of spectrum, but AT&T has said it won't use that technology, although it's compatible with the carrier's technology path. In our Fastest Mobile Networks tests in New York City, a strong T-Mobile market, we saw speeds on the carrier's then-HSPA+ 21 network averaging 4.57Mbps down. HSPA+ 42 should be faster than that.
If AT&T is denied the easy answer of swallowing T-Mobile and all its spectrum, the carrier is going to have to get creative to match Verizon's nationwide coverage and speeds.
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Don't mess with Texas!
On AT&T LTE that is
Forgive me for not feeling bad for you and your 20+ download...
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Using 5Mhz of spectrum and Category 3 LTE UE, users can in theory reach up to 40mbps peak download speeds. In reality, we're looking between 20-30mbps peak download speeds.
Guess Vegas is one of the "slow" LTE cities for AT&T, been seeing ~25M down and ~10M up pretty consistently.
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Guess Vegas is one of the "slow" LTE cities for AT&T, been seeing ~25M down and ~10M up pretty consistently.
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I'm pretty sure Vegas is 2x10Mhz.
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haha, sucks i can only get it when i'm passing by a certain area in my car though...
In Plano TX (Dallas Suburb) I am getting 35/12 consistently. Max I've gotten was 57/10 in various tests.
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I'm pretty sure Vegas is 2x10Mhz.
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jeeze im in new york city in my house in the bronx i only get 10MBPS download. on the highway going to work i got around 20MBPS. the best i ever got was around 4oMBPS and that was at a place in mid town.
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jeeze im in new york city in my house in the bronx i only get 10MBPS download. on the highway going to work i got around 20MBPS. the best i ever got was around 4oMBPS and that was at a place in mid town.
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Did you really just bump a thread from 2011
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Xcrazydx said it best its another noob invasion.
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Xcrazydx said it best its another noob invasion.
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They seem to come in big waves. It will quiet down for a while and then another big wave of necro bumps, best Rom threads and all around idiocy will rain down upon us.
Hopefully they leave soon and the dumb stuff stops. It would be so much easier if I had the report button back on tapatalk. But I saw pr talking about it costing too much or something, so whatever.
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They seem to come in big waves. It will quiet down for a while and then another big wave of necro bumps, best Rom threads and all around idiocy will rain down upon us.
Hopefully they leave soon and the dumb stuff stops. It would be so much easier if I had the report button back on tapatalk. But I saw pr talking about it costing too much or something, so whatever.
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ugh... would you guys rather he create a new one? whats with all the hate? can't put new thread on, if you find an old one, you can't use it either coz ur gonna get called noob. geez... you guys should chill out a bit.
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ugh... would you guys rather he create a new one? whats with all the hate? can't put new thread on, if you find an old one, you can't use it either coz ur gonna get called noob. geez... you guys should chill out a bit.
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It wouldn't be a problem if they posted something that mattered by being relevant or being some question that couldn't be answered by search.
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BaconStep said:
Did you really just bump a thread from 2011
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Hey its the thing to do now.
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Since the thread's bumped anyway...
Interesting read. It might explain the issue I've been having ever since AT&T rolled LTE out here (Seattle) where sometimes text messages don't come in until later.
Wish ATT would update towers....
ATT drives me crazy sometimes ... I had a choice between Verizon and ATT for my workphone...I choose ATT because at the time I'd get at least a bar in my house vs none with Verizon.
While at work, everyone who is on Verizon got a 3G signal while I'm stuck on Edge with ATT.... so when I go out to lunch trying to surf the web is a no go....
I was hoping that they would at least give HSPA+ in the area with ATT, but alas the other day I setup a new droid for a user and they got a 4G LTE signal on Verizon .... I cried a little.
I know that since it's a small out in the middle of nowhere town but....I gotta say when I see ATT & Verizon commericals ...makes me think that Viz gots it goin on.
I think both are all hype they just want r monthly fee
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Im on tmobile and bought a htc one s bought really like how the htc one x looks and want to get it , i really like how fast tmobile 4g is here in los angeles, i get 18mbps down & 3mbps up , is at&t this fast or faster ? here in l.a of course
I'm not in LA but I have seen 35+ mbps. I see 25-28 often and average probably 15-20. The absolute slowest I have ever seen on this phone was around 8mbps which is still insane for a cell phone. Up is always around 10-15.
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I'm not in LA but I have seen 35+ mbps. I see 25-28 often and average probably 15-20. The absolute slowest I have ever seen on this phone was around 8mbps which is still insane for a cell phone. Up is always around 10-15.
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that sounds pretty good to me , well taht means im going with at&t
I saw 36 mb in NYC over the weekend
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I'm not in LA but I have seen 35+ mbps. I see 25-28 often and average probably 15-20. The absolute slowest I have ever seen on this phone was around 8mbps which is still insane for a cell phone. Up is always around 10-15.
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I second this. I'm also in the Chicago area, so I guess my post doesn't help sample size, though. But I also have been amazed at how much better my cell signal strength has been with the LTE. The 750mhz spectrum really helps get inside buildings and penetrate walls. I think this is something definitely worth taking into consideration, and often overlooked by people who are willing to settle for HSPA+. No matter how much your provider improves transfer rates on HSPA+, the signal strength isn't getting any better unless they physically add a cell tower closer to you - good luck waiting for that to happen - or you get onto a lower frequency band, like LTE here in the states.
~16 no LTE & 20+ LTE in Glendale
Not sure if there is LTE outside downtown & close proximity
bgaccord said:
Im on tmobile and bought a htc one s bought really like how the htc one x looks and want to get it , i really like how fast tmobile 4g is here in los angeles, i get 18mbps down & 3mbps up , is at&t this fast or faster ? here in l.a of course
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I'm on a nexus s on t-mobile so my radio can't even take advantage of the faster HSPA+ but for me, in Portland OR, the coverage on tmo sucks compared to my wife's at&t (non-lte) phone. I'm just waiting for a kick ass LTE device with good dev support.
This is here in Phoenix.. this was the only screenshot I had but I get speeds over 30 mbps often.
I live east of LA downtown in the San Gabriel Valley... LTE coverage is very spotty still.
I know I'm not with at&t but here in Montreal with Bell I have around 50mb down and 19-20 up !
I visited Vegas two years ago, and ATT 4G (HSPA) network was horrible. I had great signal, but the system is so saturated that it was useless as far as data went. Phone calls i had no problem.
vegas was the same way when i was there in april. no improvement apparently. no lte in fresno yet but i thought this speed was pretty impressive. aprox 5 times faster than i was getting on my aria....
att 4g lte speed
i am in mid florida and i have the galaxy note i hit a 4g lte patch n
ear tampa i hit 53.93 mbps
Raleigh NC. I had let outside of the city. Isn't fo far inside it to see top speed
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I'm on LTE all the time in the metro Atlanta area and I've never seen anything below 20mbps and I average in the upper 30's/low 40s since I updated to the 1.82 radio. I've hit over 60mbps on numerous occasions. Not sure if it's the new radio or if AT&T strengthened the signal but I never got LTE at my house but now I have full bars and great speed. I live about 50 miles north of Atlanta also.
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Hopefully att will bring lte to Seattle soon.
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incofstupid said:
Hopefully att will bring lte to Seattle soon.
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I'm surprised they haven't already, we got it recently here in Oklahoma City and it's been wonderful. I imagine it's a lot more work to deploy a network there due to Seattle's topography and building density.
Granted its 1 A.M.
I never get under 40 mb/s here in south Fort Worth.
I'll take my hspa+ 42 over any lte provider right now, the fact remains lte coverage isn't nearly as good, sure it works in some area's and yes its blazing fast, but anything over 5 down on a cell phone is gravy, and over 10 when tethering is just fine.. Went on a road trip about 500 miles from ft. Lauderdale to Tampa with my friend who has verizon gnex, and my gsii on Tmobile... Lol he lost lte the second we left the city, while I tethered streaming netflix/sling player... So yea, hands down ill take coverage over speeds that aren't even needed... My parents have a second home kinda on the outskirts of a boondocks city, my dad replaced the Internet there with his phone, and he sees 21 down and 3 up...
Also, let's see how well lte works when all of a sudden 35% of the cellphone market, almost 80% more users on lte, start using it within one day.(iphone5).
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Not LTE, but I think its impressive for HSPA. IMO.
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