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[Q] Does anyone have 4g yet?

I have been hearing many things about "4G" launching march 1st. Then once that passed I've been hearing middle-end of March. Has anyone actually been getting speeds of about 6mbps average, not just a peak times. Also if you have go to setting about phone and then network and look at network type and see if it says hsdpa+. The most I ever got standing next to a tower was 5.10 Down and .42 up on stalk, not rooted. I'm starting to think that this AT&T 4G is BS and is just crap advertising like T-Mobile "4G"

I live in Dallas and we are suppose to be in a "4G" area and my speeds haven't changed. On a good day, 4mb down and 1.5 up.

I'm also supposed to be in a 4G area according to their coverage map but I don't see any improvements. Does the 4G map show 4G with backhaul or is it just where the towers are upgraded but backhaul still needs work. Since in all their compercails it says 4G available in limited areas when combines with backhaul

There are only a few 4g areas up, they are:
Cali "bay area", Greater LA, Greater Dallas TX, Buffalo NY, Boston MA, Providence RI, Baltimore MD, Charlotte NC, and Chicago IL.
The 4g areas can be found here: http://www.att.com/network/#fbid=ZfECQbHFsTm

Here's the coverage map with where I live as well as the 4G with back haul crap website (see attachment)
Shoot just noticed you can't really read the works on the website but it says that future mobile broadband to be available by march 31st. I live right where the arrow is pointing to.
Also click on 4g FAQ and look at the questions about the H+ Icon

Im in the bayarea not not seeing any top speeds non rooted. I live in Dublin Ca and the speed i just got was 1705 up 325 down which is about how its been for 3 weeks. When i go into settings the network reads HSPDA but no plus. ATT coverage map in the bottom corner says this is for 3 g not 4g.
Anyone know if there is more to the backhaul in the sfbay area or is this it? Nowahere near the speeds advertised.
Also anyword on ATT releasing ghe cap on the upload?

Actually the map does show 4G coverage if you scroll over. At the top it says that. And from what I've read AT&T only mentioned enabling it on the Atrix they never said anything about the Inspire. But I would think that if they enable it on the Atrix they will on the Inspire, but the question is when. It took them 5 months to release froyo for the captavate and aria after the carrier released it so I wouldn't hold my breath.

I live smack dab in the middle of downtown San Francisco, 5 bars of good ol fashioned HSDPA... NOT 4G... not sure what the deal is with SF, and how they can advertise it as being launched already, but clearly it's NOT.

bella92108 said:
I live smack dab in the middle of downtown San Francisco, 5 bars of good ol fashioned HSDPA... NOT 4G... not sure what the deal is with SF, and how they can advertise it as being launched already, but clearly it's NOT.
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Thats what I'm saying. The phones are called 4G, I see their 4G commercials, but no one sees 4G on their phones. People are asking them whats the deal and they don't respond to anything. I called them yesterday to ask why I'm not getting any 4G speeds and they blamed it on my phone. I told the rep that I went to the AT&T store and tested the phones their and they got slow speeds as well. She said that 4G will launch in the summer. Do they train these reps at all?

pachkamil said:
Thats what I'm saying. The phones are called 4G, I see their 4G commercials, but no one sees 4G on their phones. People are asking them whats the deal and they don't respond to anything. I called them yesterday to ask why I'm not getting any 4G speeds and they blamed it on my phone. I told the rep that I went to the AT&T store and tested the phones their and they got slow speeds as well. She said that 4G will launch in the summer. Do they train these reps at all?
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I think they train em about as well as they trained the techs to build out the 3G network in 2008 and 2009... great they made 3G iPhones without having a 3G network, lol.

kgeissler said:
I live in Dallas and we are suppose to be in a "4G" area and my speeds haven't changed. On a good day, 4mb down and 1.5 up.
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Same situation here in Baltimore.
Not once have I ever seen HSPA+ show up in the About Phone/Network menu or the speeds to indicate otherwise.
I call BS on AT&T's whole operation.

They should at least tell people that they won't see 4G speeds until ___________ not show a fake 4G coverage map and call the phones 4G. I am covered by their "4G" and get slower than 3G speeds. Wow I'm glad I purchased a new 4G phone. The thunderbolt is looking real good.

pachkamil said:
They should at least tell people that they won't see 4G speeds until ___________ not show a fake 4G coverage map and call the phones 4G. I am covered by their "4G" and get slower than 3G speeds. Wow I'm glad I purchased a new 4G phone. The thunderbolt is looking real good.
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I get legitimate 3G speeds in SF... really decent 3G speeds, but I bought the "4G" phone to get the 4G speeds, otherwise I could have just stuck with a 3G phone.
San Francisco, CA

earlier today

This is a screenshot of my network page:
And these are my speeds I took earlier today on my way to work:
So does this mean I'm getting that HSDPA data?
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plmiller0905 said:
This is a screenshot of my network page:
And these are my speeds I took earlier today on my way to work:
So does this mean I'm getting that HSDPA data?
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Per the NW page, only HSDPA, not +
They were taken at different times, you really need to look right before or after a test to see at that time.

I dont know if im right but, i dont think we will ever see hsdpa+ or hspa+ in settings network. The big question is, has anybody from any network, seen any gsm 4g phone display hspa+ or hsdpa+ on network connection? I live in puerto rico and my provider is Claropr and i have hit 7,8 and almost 9mb dl and 2mb ul here with the inspire, and all it shows is hsdpa. And yes we have hspa+ rolled out since december!
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smthrsd said:
Im in the bayarea not not seeing any top speeds non rooted. I live in Dublin Ca and the speed i just got was 1705 up 325 down which is about how its been for 3 weeks. When i go into settings the network reads HSPDA but no plus. ATT coverage map in the bottom corner says this is for 3 g not 4g.
Anyone know if there is more to the backhaul in the sfbay area or is this it? Nowahere near the speeds advertised.
Also anyword on ATT releasing ghe cap on the upload?
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ATT claims they will remove the upload cap in the future, but no date of course. Personally I think the capped upload speed is very critical as I think upload is more important. Counterintuitive.

I'm rooted with flashed radio, so my signal strength icon is only an H, no +
In the settings I am on HSDPA
I was pulling about 5.5Mbps average down, 1.5 up as of a few minutes ago. My initial tests yielded 4-6Mbps down, 1 up.
Maybe it's finally on here in the NYC area?

prking07 said:
I dont know if im right but, i dont think we will ever see hsdpa+ or hspa+ in settings network. The big question is, has anybody from any network, seen any gsm 4g phone display hspa+ or hsdpa+ on network connection? I live in puerto rico and my provider is Claropr and i have hit 7,8 and almost 9mb dl and 2mb ul here with the inspire, and all it shows is hsdpa. And yes we have hspa+ rolled out since december!
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Your probably right. I don't think that we will ever see a + but it will show with speed. Does anyone know any app rooted or not that will show a plus if your connected to hsdpa+ or if this is even possible?

finally have 4G coverage here (even though Verizon says otherwise)

i seem to finally be receiving 4G coverage here in San Diego (north county coastal). speeds are no where near as impressive as the 4G they have in downtown San Diego though.
in downtown SD was able to download a 700MB file in about 5 minutes. here in the N.C. coastal area it takes about 20 minutes. still, better then the 1 1/2 - 2 hours it took on 3G.
weird thing though, according to the verizon 4g coverage map on verizon's website, it still says that there is no 4G in my area yet + i was at a verizon store earlier and the 4G phones they have on display still say 3G.
does it have something to do with updating to the new radio(possibly being able to pick up a 4G that isn't officially turned on in this area yet?) i'm also on a sense 3.5 rom.

voxigenboy said:
i seem to finally be receiving 4G coverage here in San Diego (north county coastal). speeds are no where near as impressive as the 4G they have in downtown San Diego though.
in downtown SD was able to download a 700MB file in about 5 minutes. here in the N.C. coastal area it takes about 20 minutes. still, better then the 1 1/2 - 2 hours it took on 3G.
weird thing though, according to the verizon 4g coverage map on verizon's website, it still says that there is no 4G in my area yet + i was at a verizon store earlier and the 4G phones they have on display still say 3G.
does it have something to do with updating to the new radio(possibly being able to pick up a 4G that isn't officially turned on in this area yet?) i'm also on a sense 3.5 rom.
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The radio might have something to do with it, but there's no way to know for sure. It's kinda pokey in the beginning.

Where in north county? In Oceanside and no 4g yet.

Odds are, they're simply turning it on tower by tower or possibly just testing it. Until it's fully up and running, do NOT expect VZW to say they have 4G in your area or update their online maps.
Should they run radio ads saying "Enjoy amazing 4G speeds on Verizon's network, but only in voxigenboy's general area" ?

antiseen said:
Where in north county? In Oceanside and no 4g yet.
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I'm in Carlsbad (92008) but also tested in Oceanside (92054). 4G all the way.
the radio I'm using is that newer 9## one.. its not the MR 3.5
there was a link to it in that sense 3.5 look-a-like rom thread.
oddly enough, even though Oceanside is closer to the towers I've been getting a stronger signal in Carlsbad. for instance, that Angelo's Burgers in South O, I used to get full 3G reception there.. now on 4G the signal there sucks.
then the Carlsbad library on CVB, it used to have a ****ty 3G signal... now the 4G there is very strong.

Weird, I'm on the fringe of Oceanside but I haven't noticed 4g anywhere i've been. Even downtown. Seen it in some parts of Carlsbad but haven't been around there too recently.

4g seems weird. I am in a strong 4g area but do not get it at my house but do at the station about 2 miles down the road I do.

hallstevenson said:
Odds are, they're simply turning it on tower by tower or possibly just testing it. Until it's fully up and running, do NOT expect VZW to say they have 4G in your area or update their online maps.
Should they run radio ads saying "Enjoy amazing 4G speeds on Verizon's network, but only in voxigenboy's general area" ?
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^What he said. 4G came and went for about 3 weeks in Indy before it was officially here.

Im disappointed, I live about 45 mins outside of Savannah Georgia, and still no LTE... Only place I pick it up is when I head to Jacksonville/St Augustine area... ISO my LTE

still no LTE
There's still no LTE in 92056, 92058, 92057 or anywhere else in Oceanside. Maybe they were just testing it. Vista, Fallbrook and Camp Pendleton still dont have it either. I noticed that Verizon recently lit up all of Riverside County west of the mountains but it seems like they are doing a poor job in San Diego. They are adding one or two cities at a time. Hopefully, that Riverside County crew will move into our area and show the lazy San Diego Verizon workers how to upgrade a network.

You guys are complaining I am in NJ in the state of Verizon's headquters and we have up north and heading toward phillips that's it and in every time they turn on more radios never do they mention NJ so I am thinking 2013
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Why AT&T LTE is fast in select markets but slow in others incl. Chicago

I'm jealous of some of the speeds some of you guys in other LTE neighborhoods are getting, but so far my speeds in and around the Chicago burbs are no where near the 40 megs down or consistently at 20 megs down.
The fastest i've been able to hit are 25down and 9up right outside Chicago, on the road, in a suburb northwest of Chicago. On a consistent basis, I usually get about 9up and 9down at home on the northside of Chicago and the same applies when i'm 25 or 30 miles out in the burbs...
I found an interesting PC Magazine article i thought i'd share because it details why Chicago may be experiencing slower speeds than other areas such as in Houston and Atlanta.
I like the speeds I consistently get on this phone and find browsing the web on it speedy though; very happy with the skyrocket! How fast do you consistently get and where are you located?
PC Magazine: Why is AT&T LTE Fast In Houston, Slow In Chicago?
AT&T's LTE is the fastest network in Houston, but it's nowhere near as fast in Chicago. In our tests in Houston, we found that AT&T's brand-new 4G, LTE network achieved stellar speeds averaging 24.64Mbps down. But in tests in Chicago, LAPTOP Magazine found anemic speeds: a mere 5.59Mbps down. What's up?
The Big Blue carrier launched its new 4G network on Sunday with five cities: Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Atlanta, and Chicago. As I pointed out in our test results story, Chicago stands out; it's not considered one of AT&T's strongest markets, and AT&T's LTE coverage there isn't as comprehensive as it is in the other launch cities.
Look at the results in the chart below. (The vertical axis is speed in Mbps, the Chicago data is from LAPTOP's study, and I'm really bad at making Excel charts on deadline.) What's striking is how consistent Verizon's speeds are compared to AT&T's wildly varying results.
AT&T vs. Verizon LTE Speeds
I've asked AT&T about these differences, and it hasn't gotten back to me yet. But the reason appears to be spectrum, and it means there's going to be much sharper differences in AT&T speeds city by city than there will be with Verizon's speeds.
Why AT&T is Fast - And Slow
According to Phone Scoop, AT&T has 24MHz of 700MHz spectrum in its Texas launch cities, but only 12MHz in Chicago. That means it can run its LTE network on paired 10-MHz channels in Texas, but it has to use 5MHz channels in Chicago. Verizon, on the other hand, has at least 22MHz everywhere in the nation, so it can use at least 10MHz channels everywhere.
AT&T plans to supplement its network with its AWS 1700MHz holdings as well, which could help the situation in the future. It's just not using it yet. As this Phone Scoop map shows, AT&T (then Cingular) also owns AWS spectrum scattered throughout the country, including in Chicago.
So is this what 5MHz LTE channels look like? Fortunately, we have another example of a 5MHz LTE rollout in the U.S.: MetroPCS. MetroPCS is actually running 4G LTE on even narrower channels in some cities, down to 1.4MHz. But in Dallas, for instance, MetroPCS is running its LTE network in a 5x5 arrangement.
In our Fastest Mobile Networks test, we found that MetroPCS's Dallas LTE network averaged 2.64Mbps and peaked at 6.3Mbps. That was in a loaded, real-life scenario, too. So AT&T's Chicago result of 5.93Mbps without any load is within that range, showing that AT&T's problem in Chicago may be spectrum.
Early this year, AT&T's chief technology officer John Donovan told MuniWireless that the company needs 10Mhz channels for optimal speeds.
"You can deploy [LTE] using 5×5, but that doesn’t last you very long given the way data is being used today," Donovan told the site.
AT&T argues that the solution is to merge with T-Mobile and buy Qualcomm's 700MHz spectrum as well. Qualcomm has some 700MHz spectrum in the highly populated Northeast Corridor and California that AT&T has proposed to buy. T-Mobile doesn't have any 700MHz spectrum at all, though; the advantage there would be to increase AT&T's 1700MHz AWS holdings.
AT&T's plan also seems to assume the carrier won't use any of its existing 850MHz or 1900MHz spectrum for LTE, including the spectrum that's currently used for 2G EDGE. According to a chart at the bottom of this MuniWireless story, that's where AT&T's spectrum strength is: while Verizon owns more 700Mhz spectrum than AT&T, AT&T generally owns considerably more 1900Mhz than Verizon.
What This Means For You
Cities where AT&T has more 700MHz spectrum will probably roll out earlier and have better speeds. According to Phone Scoop, that includes Baltimore, Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, New York, Philadelphia, St. Louis, San Francisco, and Washington.
Cities where AT&T has less 700MHz spectrum will have slower speeds; that includes Miami and LA. And areas where AT&T has neither 700MHz or AWS spectrum will get LTE last of all; that doesn't include many major cities, but much of the states of Iowa, West Virginia, Kentucky and the Florida Panhandle all fall under this category.
T-Mobile has turned to HSPA+ 42, which it argues is a more efficient way to use small amounts of spectrum, but AT&T has said it won't use that technology, although it's compatible with the carrier's technology path. In our Fastest Mobile Networks tests in New York City, a strong T-Mobile market, we saw speeds on the carrier's then-HSPA+ 21 network averaging 4.57Mbps down. HSPA+ 42 should be faster than that.
If AT&T is denied the easy answer of swallowing T-Mobile and all its spectrum, the carrier is going to have to get creative to match Verizon's nationwide coverage and speeds.
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Don't mess with Texas!
On AT&T LTE that is

Forgive me for not feeling bad for you and your 20+ download...
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Using 5Mhz of spectrum and Category 3 LTE UE, users can in theory reach up to 40mbps peak download speeds. In reality, we're looking between 20-30mbps peak download speeds.

Guess Vegas is one of the "slow" LTE cities for AT&T, been seeing ~25M down and ~10M up pretty consistently.

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Guess Vegas is one of the "slow" LTE cities for AT&T, been seeing ~25M down and ~10M up pretty consistently.
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I'm pretty sure Vegas is 2x10Mhz.

cpcrazyfly said:
Forgive me for not feeling bad for you and your 20+ download...
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haha, sucks i can only get it when i'm passing by a certain area in my car though...

In Plano TX (Dallas Suburb) I am getting 35/12 consistently. Max I've gotten was 57/10 in various tests.

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I'm pretty sure Vegas is 2x10Mhz.
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jeeze im in new york city in my house in the bronx i only get 10MBPS download. on the highway going to work i got around 20MBPS. the best i ever got was around 4oMBPS and that was at a place in mid town.

bxsteve31 said:
jeeze im in new york city in my house in the bronx i only get 10MBPS download. on the highway going to work i got around 20MBPS. the best i ever got was around 4oMBPS and that was at a place in mid town.
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Did you really just bump a thread from 2011
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Xcrazydx said it best its another noob invasion.
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mtdew said:
Xcrazydx said it best its another noob invasion.
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They seem to come in big waves. It will quiet down for a while and then another big wave of necro bumps, best Rom threads and all around idiocy will rain down upon us.
Hopefully they leave soon and the dumb stuff stops. It would be so much easier if I had the report button back on tapatalk. But I saw pr talking about it costing too much or something, so whatever.
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xcrazydx said:
They seem to come in big waves. It will quiet down for a while and then another big wave of necro bumps, best Rom threads and all around idiocy will rain down upon us.
Hopefully they leave soon and the dumb stuff stops. It would be so much easier if I had the report button back on tapatalk. But I saw pr talking about it costing too much or something, so whatever.
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ugh... would you guys rather he create a new one? whats with all the hate? can't put new thread on, if you find an old one, you can't use it either coz ur gonna get called noob. geez... you guys should chill out a bit.

droidbabyxda said:
ugh... would you guys rather he create a new one? whats with all the hate? can't put new thread on, if you find an old one, you can't use it either coz ur gonna get called noob. geez... you guys should chill out a bit.
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It wouldn't be a problem if they posted something that mattered by being relevant or being some question that couldn't be answered by search.
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BaconStep said:
Did you really just bump a thread from 2011
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Hey its the thing to do now.
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Since the thread's bumped anyway...
Interesting read. It might explain the issue I've been having ever since AT&T rolled LTE out here (Seattle) where sometimes text messages don't come in until later.

Wish ATT would update towers....
ATT drives me crazy sometimes ... I had a choice between Verizon and ATT for my workphone...I choose ATT because at the time I'd get at least a bar in my house vs none with Verizon.
While at work, everyone who is on Verizon got a 3G signal while I'm stuck on Edge with ATT.... so when I go out to lunch trying to surf the web is a no go....
I was hoping that they would at least give HSPA+ in the area with ATT, but alas the other day I setup a new droid for a user and they got a 4G LTE signal on Verizon .... I cried a little.
I know that since it's a small out in the middle of nowhere town but....I gotta say when I see ATT & Verizon commericals ...makes me think that Viz gots it goin on.

I think both are all hype they just want r monthly fee
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3G+Voice (SVDO) works wonderfully on Verizon

Too bad even at 1.6 Mbps, EVDO sucks hard.
Terrible fallback compared to HSPA(+).
Glad to know 4G coverage holes are rare on Long Island.

LLStarks said:
Too bad even at 1.6 Mbps, EVDO sucks hard.
Terrible fallback compared to HSPA(+).
Glad to know 4G coverage holes are rare on Long Island.
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Where on Long Island is there 4g? I'm in Suffolk and still waiting
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Everywhere but northern Suffolk.

LLStarks said:
Too bad even at 1.6 Mbps, EVDO sucks hard.
Terrible fallback compared to HSPA(+).
Glad to know 4G coverage holes are rare on Long Island.
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yeah but we don't get throttled like att or T-Mobile I'm at 9gb's for one week with this phone I used to use only like 3gb's a month with my old 3g phone but with this lte I been watching lots of movies and downloaded like 5 also. And verizon LTE coverage is awesome. I have only dropped to 3g once when I was inside the 3rd floor of a hospital where my old att service was only edge
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LLStarks said:
Too bad even at 1.6 Mbps, EVDO sucks hard.
Terrible fallback compared to HSPA(+).
Glad to know 4G coverage holes are rare on Long Island.
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You're lucky. 1.6mbps is good. On tmo we fall back on edge which is about .08mbps and to top it off you can't talk and surf on edge. You still can on 3g.
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I'm just glad to have SVDO on Sprint. There's been times where I've needed to look something up while on a call, but couldn't since I was out of wifi range.

LLStarks said:
Too bad even at 1.6 Mbps, EVDO sucks hard.
Terrible fallback compared to HSPA(+).
Glad to know 4G coverage holes are rare on Long Island.
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One of the few things that AT&T has an advantage on. When on LTE I regularly get 20-30mbps down and minimum like 10mbps. Fallback is HSPA+ which on AT&T recently has been in the 6mbps - 12mbps range. Not too shabby

mobilehavoc said:
One of the few things that AT&T has an advantage on. When on LTE I regularly get 20-30mbps down and minimum like 10mbps. Fallback is HSPA+ which on AT&T recently has been in the 6mbps - 12mbps range. Not too shabby
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I wish Verizon had fallback speeds that high, but the downside to this is AT&T does not have unlimited data.

LTE Coverage in Bakersfield CA?

I thought for sure that Bakersfield CA had LTE coverage. I know my verizon buddy's can connect no problem but whats the word on AT&T LTE coverage in Bakersfield? All I ever can connect to is HSPA+

xnerdx said:
I thought for sure that Bakersfield CA had LTE coverage. I know my verizon buddy's can connect no problem but whats the word on AT&T LTE coverage in Bakersfield? All I ever can connect to is HSPA+
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You might wanna look in to flashing a better radio for your device. Head over to the one X dev thread, there is a radio thread where you might find a solution to this problem.
Here's the link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1694012
[Radio][RIL]Flashable Radios with RIL files, Map, and AROMA Installer (Updated 7/21)
Good luck! :thumbup:
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xnerdx said:
I thought for sure that Bakersfield CA had LTE coverage. I know my verizon buddy's can connect no problem but whats the word on AT&T LTE coverage in Bakersfield? All I ever can connect to is HSPA+
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According to AT&T's coverage map, Bakersfield does not have LTE
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/

Only Verizon has LTE in Bakes. As for at&t......they probably have the worse reception in town. Or at least in my area (Rosedale). With so many customers (since the Cingular days) and limited towers, hours that seriously suck can range from noon til 6:30 pm when trying to access internet or data.

I feel you on that I live around ming and new stine and rush hour is killer. I'd expect at&t and its huge market monopoly here would have deployed lte months ago. I guess I'll have to wait until 2013..
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Woot!
Bakersfield LTE is up for at&t now, not to impressive I linger around 12mbps and peak at 22. Hopefully broader coverage will bring things up in terms of speed.

They actually lit up Bakersfield Monday night about 8:00. Its been a good strong signal. Signal also seemed to have increased for HSPA+ phones. Ive been getting 16-25 down and 12-16 up. The AT&T map hasnt been updated since the middle of July, so it wont reflect Bakersfield until they update their map again.