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Big Problem, Anyone have any suggestions?

I have a dilemma, im on my second fuze (first one had ear piece speaker problems, but flashed back to stock rom and SPL and did a warranty claim so that was no problem), now this one is having a problem where the PTT button must be shorted out or something because no matter what i do (hard reset, soft reset, take battery and sim card out) it keeps opening the comm manager and also the camera, and continues to shoot pictures untill i shut the stupid thing off. has anyone had this problem with the ptt button sticking? I cant send it in for another warranty claim because i have HardSPL on it and the newest NRG Rom, with the ptt button being constantly on i am not able to use the phone at all and can not flash everything back to stock to send it in.
any help would be appreciated, thanks guys

edit mods, go ahead and delete this thread. i just ripped this piece of crap in half gonna toss it in the trash and get an iphone. Im done with winmo. i am sick of spending 90% of my time flashing roms and hunting for software. that doesnt even really do anything except make more like an iphone anyway

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misfitwrx said:
edit mods, go ahead and delete this thread. i just ripped this piece of crap in half gonna toss it in the trash and get an iphone. Im done with winmo. i am sick of spending 90% of my time flashing roms and hunting for software. that doesnt even really do anything except make more like an iphone anyway
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lol
if you buy a (h)iphone with problem you will just do the same?
why didnt you just bought the (h)iphone at once? if you say that now...
WE HAVE internet, and you should know about things.. i have my tpro about months and didnt touch it about flashing new roms before i know everthing about...

Go and buy an iPhone. Maybe a 3G @$$ one...

misfitwrx said:
edit mods, go ahead and delete this thread. i just ripped this piece of crap in half gonna toss it in the trash and get an iphone. Im done with winmo. i am sick of spending 90% of my time flashing roms and hunting for software. that doesnt even really do anything except make more like an iphone anyway
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This doesn't insult or upset anyone here. You are free to do as you want. One of the advantage of windows mobile is the vast amount of customization, which sometimes runs you into an issue or two.
You could flash a different rom via the microSD.
Download the rom you want to flash and locate the .NBH file. If its a shipped/stock rom, you'll have to extract it form the .exe.
Rename the .nbh file to RAPHIMG.NBH and copy it to the root of your storage card
Put your device in bootloader mode and it should prompt you if you want to flash your device.
Best of luck

fone_fanatic said:
This doesn't insult or upset anyone here. You are free to do as you want. One of the advantage of windows mobile is the vast amount of customization, which sometimes runs you into an issue or two.
Best of luck
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Customization, many freeware apps that are very good. As a professional who interfaces with many clients, my TP has been kept stock, only adding apps that I need. I have had mine about 4 months of flawless usage. Like any windows os's, if you don't know what you are doing, or install/uninstall lots of apps, you will run into problems.

As the French say "faites gaffe"
But if you want to fry an egg on your iPhone, there IS an ap for that.....

Bruce Inman said:
As the French say "faites gaffe"
But if you want to fry an egg on your iPhone, there IS an ap for that.....
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Actually, there has been MULTIPLE reports of that happening. Starting from old iPods to iPhones and iPod touch(s?)

DJGonzo said:
Actually, there has been MULTIPLE reports of that happening. Starting from old iPods to iPhones and iPod touch(s?)
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Obviously.

sorry boys, i know id get flamed for thinking of buying an iphone. however now having bought one i dont think ill look back. yeah winmo is fun because you can customize the hell out of it but from my 3 years of using it thats about all it is good for. if you look at 90% of the apps for winmo all they do is try and make up for winmos shortcomings. i just picked up a iphone 3gs, and the camera is ten times better than my fuze was, not to mention the video recording is absolutely amazing for a phone. i actually enjoy web browsing on this phone, the messaging and mail app is very intuitive. and the gps locks instantly (big plus for me) as far as customizing the iphone there is always jailbreaking it which when you think about it is not that dissimilar than hardspl'ing a winmo phone. im not bashing winmo i actually enjoyed using and still do on my x51v but when i want to pull out my phone and check facebook or write a note or snap a quick pic or video the iphone is hands down better than any winmo phone i have ever used.
p.s. by the way forget frying an egg on the iphone, i could grill a steak on my fuze when it was using any amount of data

misfitwrx said:
sorry boys, i know id get flamed for thinking of buying an iphone. however now having bought one i dont think ill look back. yeah winmo is fun because you can customize the hell out of it but from my 3 years of using it thats about all it is good for. if you look at 90% of the apps for winmo all they do is try and make up for winmos shortcomings. i just picked up a iphone 3gs, and the camera is ten times better than my fuze was, not to mention the video recording is absolutely amazing for a phone. i actually enjoy web browsing on this phone, the messaging and mail app is very intuitive. and the gps locks instantly (big plus for me) as far as customizing the iphone there is always jailbreaking it which when you think about it is not that dissimilar than hardspl'ing a winmo phone. im not bashing winmo i actually enjoyed using and still do on my x51v but when i want to pull out my phone and check facebook or write a note or snap a quick pic or video the iphone is hands down better than any winmo phone i have ever used.
p.s. by the way forget frying an egg on the iphone, i could grill a steak on my fuze when it was using any amount of data
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I couldn't seem to find any pictures of an atomic Fuze, but plenty o'pics of the fried iPhones.
To each their own. Enjoy!

dont get me wrong i really did enjoy using the fuze and windows mobile and actually would love to have both devices, but its silly to just blindly hate the iphone for no good reason. it kinda reminds me of the ford chevy mopar feud lol. everyone hates the other ones but when you actually drive all three you notice they arent that different at all

misfitwrx said:
dont get me wrong i really did enjoy using the fuze and windows mobile and actually would love to have both devices, but its silly to just blindly hate the iphone for no good reason. it kinda reminds me of the ford chevy mopar feud lol. everyone hates the other ones but when you actually drive all three you notice they arent that different at all
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Yes, driving them seems similar but when things break and you need to fix it, that's when things become clear.
And you're right, to blindly hate is pointless.
I am just anti-apple period because of their all-exclusive devices and OS'.
I hated my Fuze out of the box but eventually I was able to make it do what I wanted and needed. Its that freedom that makes me appreciate WinMo, bugs and all.
And let's face it, even the iPhone has had it's share of issues out of the box, which is supposed to be their claim to fame....
Again, to each their own. No one's flaming you for your choice.
but.....
Chevy Rules!

one thing i dont get is why people say the iphone is so locked down, really jailbreaking is just the same as hardspling a winmo phone, same warranty void and same endless options to modify the phone

misfitwrx said:
one thing i dont get is why people say the iphone is so locked down, really jailbreaking is just the same as hardspling a winmo phone, same warranty void and same endless options to modify the phone
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I guess, but I get to keep my cheapo 15 dollar unlimited data package and I get to tether with it and you dont.
Haha and theres a couple things the fuze stock can do that the iphone cant.
1. MMS
2. FM Radio
3. Flashlight
4. Download songs off the web (MP3's)
5. Send and receive files and voice clips in Windows Live Messenger (MSN)
I'm missing some others but I'm sure it goes both ways. Although I got to say Opera 9.7 beta on turbo mode beats the iPhone 3GS surfing the web hands down. Super blazing fast.

No Captivate S for me

Because of all of the issues about the Captivate S I've read about on this forum, I've decided not to purchase one. I travel a lot (read GSM/UMTS) and need an unlocked handset for local numbers. I also depend on GPS navigation that isn't functional on the Galaxy S.
Goodbye Android, hello Symbian ^3 in the form of a Nokia N8 I just ordered.
I really appreciate the good info I got from this forum. Next year I'll again consider an Android handset.

And Symbian dont have ANY problems? That is hard to believe.

ha great choice, not.

To each his own I suppose... have you tried using the Captivate? I have a feeling with even all the supposed negatives, it still blows any Nokia away. The GPS isn't a big deal for me and I'm sure a sim unlock is just a call to ATT away (I've called and asked for 3 unlock codes for an LG and two blackberries just last year).
The problem with coming to this type of board for the kind of advise you're seeking on getting a new phone is, a lot of people complain about the negatives. People are seeking out fixes or mods for this issue or that.
To be fair, I'm not a big fan of Nokia or Symbian. I owned a 5800 XM and it was pretty horrible and the N8 or Symbian ^3 doesn't really do it for me. The apps are sorely lacking, messaging and email left a lot to be desired. I'll probably get another iPhone 4, jailbreak it and run ultrasn0w baseband unlock so I can use international sim cards before going with the Nokia again.

I can tell you from personal experience that one of the better phones from Nokia in the past 3 years is the e71.
The n81 is a very cheap feeling phone, and you'll hate the buttons. The n82 is good, but only has european 3g.
n95 is still a beast of a phone, and the 8gb model is nice.
You should be looking at the n8 if you really want to go with symbian, or wait for their S-Series to come out running MeeGo!
And it is not symbian^3, it is just s60.

Go to any forum for any phone and you will see hundreds of negative posts, but most issues don't effect most people.
I have not had the gps issues or many other problems. Also, the users with no problems never post.
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alphadog00 said:
Go to any forum for any phone and you will see hundreds of negative posts, but most issues don't effect most people.
I have not had the gps issues or many other problems. Also, the users with no problems never post.
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thats a good point. ne way his loss. I question the purpose of this thread though, what exactly was the intention here?

ua549 said:
Because of all of the issues about the Captivate S I've read about on this forum, I've decided not to purchase one. I travel a lot (read GSM/UMTS) and need an unlocked handset for local numbers. I also depend on GPS navigation that isn't functional on the Galaxy S.
Goodbye Android, hello Symbian ^3 in the form of a Nokia N8 I just ordered.
I really appreciate the good info I got from this forum. Next year I'll again consider an Android handset.
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Wow. I used the GPS tweak on this forum and my Captivate has been rock solid since the tweak! I use the Google navigation all the freaking time! By the way, the Google navigation is > the ATT Navigation (AKA Telenav) & it's free!! Sorry to hear you didn't utilize the level of detail available to you. Good luck with the Nokia.

returned my captivate for an iphone 4 today...i wanted to love this phone and it just didn't work out. today was real bad and i had enough of it. it was lagging really badly, it would take 10-15 seconds to open an app, screen froze up for a good 30 seconds, and phone wouldn't turn on from being locked. gps is still an issue, even with the tweaks...it takes 15-30 seconds to lock on which is not good enough for me. The music player is terrible, its very sluggish and theres no set program to transfer music/videos/whatever onto the phone. It took me an hour just to transfer 300 songs over to the captivate...wtf. android market wasn't that great, the facebook app was terrible for it btw. there are some good points to the phone, it has nice widgets, swype, camera, and videos are amazing on this. i blame samsung, they pushed this phone out before it was ready, if they had waited and fixed the problems it would've clearly blown iphone out of the water.

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returned my captivate for an iphone 4 today...i wanted to love this phone and it just didn't work out. today was real bad and i had enough of it. it was lagging really badly, it would take 10-15 seconds to open an app, screen froze up for a good 30 seconds, and phone wouldn't turn on from being locked. gps is still an issue, even with the tweaks...it takes 15-30 seconds to lock on which is not good enough for me. The music player is terrible, its very sluggish and theres no set program to transfer music/videos/whatever onto the phone. It took me an hour just to transfer 300 songs over to the captivate...wtf. android market wasn't that great, the facebook app was terrible for it btw. there are some good points to the phone, it has nice widgets, swype, camera, and videos are amazing on this. i blame samsung, they pushed this phone out before it was ready, if they had waited and fixed the problems it would've clearly blown iphone out of the water.
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Wow..... Seems like you had a "special" captivate.

Wow, I'm just really surprised that you researched some Captivate problems but didn't bother to research all of Symbians problems.
The biggest problem not having as much features as any Android phone does.
I've been happy with my Captivate, and it does everything I need it to do and a lot of times it does more than I need it to.
I even save $15 a month with free SMS with google voice. Picasa syncs and saves all my pics to my phone from my PC, and so does my calender.
Captiate has been the best phone I have ever had.

dressanderc said:
Wow..... Seems like you had a "special" captivate.
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nope. mine was starting to get to that point and then did a factory reset and the phone is blazing again. I think it was all the apps because i felt like some apps like apndroid didnt uninstall right(yes i know i gotta enable b4 uninstalling).

tytdfn said:
nope. mine was starting to get to that point and then did a factory reset and the phone is blazing again. I think it was all the apps because i felt like some apps like apndroid didnt uninstall right(yes i know i gotta enable b4 uninstalling).
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i also did factory reset...it didn't help. i might have had a defective captivate maybe idk, but im the type of guy that likes it simple and get it done, with the captivate you have to do a lot of tweaks and stuff like that, until it gets fixed atleast. i was disappointed when i had to return the phone...i really wanted to like and i thought it was the phone i was gonna keep for a long time when i first got it.

Your experience hardly reflects the average user experience with this phone though....i love mine and so do a lot of people...sorry to hear about your issues but maybe you should have gotten a replacement or do you really think all the people praising it are just putting up with all the stuff you experienced?

I've used message boards for years. I've even adminned a few, and I still maintain my own small one. And I still don't understand why people start threads based on this kind of pap, other than to draw attention to themselves either for self-aggrandizement or to make martyrs of themselves.
In either case, I don't care. I'm not here to find out what phone anyone uses or why, nor do I care about the second-hand opinions that fuel those decisions. All I care about is learning more about the experiences of others with the one I've chosen in an effort to both expand my own experience with it and to share likewise.

I agree with not buying the captivate, I would have gone with a Nexus One or a Dell Streak though.

shaolin95 said:
Your experience hardly reflects the average user experience with this phone though....i love mine and so do a lot of people...sorry to hear about your issues but maybe you should have gotten a replacement or do you really think all the people praising it are just putting up with all the stuff you experienced?
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i admit, i think most captivates are fine but i also think there are plenty of users that are willing to put up with the problems of this phone, i wasn't one of those users though. those users that are willing to put up with this phone are hoping that samsung will come out with a fix for it and who knows when that is and whether that even fixes the problem. Like froyo, i hardly doubt it will come in September. I'm not going to sit and wait for that to happen when i can get a phone (iphone) that works flawlessly and can perform the same core functions as a captivate. i gave this phone a try and didn't work out, it's simple as that.

Shwiggie said:
I've used message boards for years. I've even adminned a few, and I still maintain my own small one. And I still don't understand why people start threads based on this kind of pap, other than to draw attention to themselves either for self-aggrandizement or to make martyrs of themselves.
In either case, I don't care. I'm not here to find out what phone anyone uses or why, nor do I care about the second-hand opinions that fuel those decisions. All I care about is learning more about the experiences of others with the one I've chosen in an effort to both expand my own experience with it and to share likewise.
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Yet you take the time to vent on other people expressing their opinions. Whats the difference from the man telling us why he dosent like the phone, vs. You telling us why you dont like the thread?

kashc2 said:
It took me an hour just to transfer 300 songs over to the captivate...wtf. android market wasn't that great, the facebook app was terrible for it btw. there are some good points to the phone, it has nice widgets, swype, camera, and videos are amazing on this. i blame samsung, they pushed this phone out before it was ready, if they had waited and fixed the problems it would've clearly blown iphone out of the water.
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Looking at your complaints, seems to me that your biggest problem is that you never got off the Apple tit, and don't know how to live without iTunes.
The rest of the issues you listed have easy fixes found on this very forum.

to the OP...
Obvious Troll is Obvious...

Leaving Windows thinking ATT Captivate

After 6+ years with a Windows Smart Phone (1st MPX220) I see the platform is dead and I have to go elsewhere. I am thinking of going to the Captivate. I like the new BB also but I am not sure if I want a crack berry. I think the Captivate will be more fun to have in the long run.
The cheapest I can find the phone with a 2 extention and keeping my old plan is Best Buy for $149 plus a $30 one time credit to my account.
I am wondering how to get I get all my texts and info from my old phone to my new phone. I have used PPCPIMbackup when doing firmware updates to my phone to back up all my info. Does this work with Captivate also? I am not sure because of the different OS.
I have never had a phone with out a keypad. This will be new for me. I wish I could have a phone with one. I see having a nice slim phone will also be nice. I think the keyless pads is how all phones exept for BB will be very soon.
Does anyone have any good tips or information before I go over to this phone? I know going from a Windows phone to this is going to be very different.
Thanks,

Swype makes everything all good.
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I'm using the xda app so can't see your sig, what phone are you coming from? I've used winmo for about 2 yrs and love this phone. Not sure how to copy things over, seen alot of posts with problems. Best I've seen is manually enter em in google and sync that way. I just used my sim card. Didn't have a bunch of special contact info to copy.
From a phone on an app

I am coming form the Samsung Epix.
Anyone know if the PPCPIMbackup software will work on getting my old texts to my new phone?

veener79 said:
I am coming form the Samsung Epix.
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I also migrated from the Epix... you will not be sorry. With regard to your question about transfering texts, generally anything is possible in Android, and a quick google search confirms this:
http://www.google.com/search?q=transfer+texts+from+windows+mobile+to+android&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=

veener79 said:
I am coming form the Samsung Epix.
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I gave up on my Epix. Were you one of the lucky ones?
The Captivate is a wonderful phone, if you don't mind waiting for a GPS fix.
My own experience: I was concerned about the lack of a physical keyboard, but found that swype makes things easy. However, I am more frustrated that I expected at the lack of really good business applications in android (I am waiting for Pocket Informant android, specifically). Also, if you use Outlook, you may have some frustration with syncing.
There is certainly no android phone to compare on ATT.

Thank you for the link. Looking over this site the only issues I see is with GPS on this phone. Is that about correct? Also it looks like it will get the 2.2 upgrade?

Kanzeon said:
I gave up on my Epix. Were you one of the lucky ones?
The Captivate is a wonderful phone, if you don't mind waiting for a GPS fix.
My own experience: I was concerned about the lack of a physical keyboard, but found that swype makes things easy. However, I am more frustrated that I expected at the lack of really good business applications in android (I am waiting for Pocket Informant android, specifically). Also, if you use Outlook, you may have some frustration with syncing.
There is certainly no android phone to compare on ATT.
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After ATT sent me my 4th or 5th phone I was doing better because it did not have the ID1 update. I kept on using firmware updates from this site to make the phone better. After the 6.5 update came out and the phone still was not right I gave up. GPS is still a issue but not like ID1. My texts and e-mail keep on crashing on it. I have not been able to update my hotmail via Live for over a week. Every time I close out of my texts it locks ups for about 20sec to a minute or two. I have finaly given up. Now my battery is only lasting about 2 days on standby. After about 1 hour long call I go though about 40% battery. I am just happy I can start doing a upgrade now.
I just hope the GPS fix comes soon for this new phone.

veener79 said:
Thank you for the link. Looking over this site the only issues I see is with GPS on this phone. Is that about correct? Also it looks like it will get the 2.2 upgrade?
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Yes, GPS is not fully functional at this point, but it appears that Samsung is working on correcting the problem. 2.2 is in the works, but no word yet on when it will be released for the Captivate... best estimates seem to shoot for 1-2 months from now.

The gps works well for me with the update. It just takes longer than what I was used to wth the iphone. I get a solid lock in 30 seconds.

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The gps works well for me with the update. It just takes longer than what I was used to wth the iphone. I get a solid lock in 30 seconds.
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Excuse me, *for some*, GPS is not fully functional.

For the most part the captivate is great. Just needs a little bit of tweaking here and there. Gps is pretty much b0rked at the moment. Til Samsung gives us an actual fix. Or we find one. Gps can lock somtimes but it will jump around a lot or lose the fix. Navigation wont work for the most part. Aside from that the phone captivate is a great choice.

OK so the GPS sounds about as good as my epix right now. I can not even get a GPS signal in the car unless I have it on the dash with nothing blocking it. If all it takes is 30 seconds to lock on I will be set. That is better then the Epix. What is up with Samsung and the GPS.

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...What is up with Samsung and the GPS.
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Nobody knows for sure. Some speculate it is hardware and won't be fixed. Most of us feel it is software. It supposedly works for some people, but those that can't get it to work are dubious that the ones that work are just not hitting the right circumstances for it to fail. It actually seems to be accurate a high percentage of the time, but when it is off, it is waaaaayyyyy off. Sometimes only for a few seconds. Very inconsistent.
Samsung has indicated it will be fixed in September. Not much time left for them on that commitment.
If they don't make it by then, there will be lots of whining and griping. I'll be doing that in my mind, but plan to refrain from doing so in the forum The GPS problem is probably the single largest issue that has caused a lot of threads, and several contentious posts.
It is a great phone. Hopefully the GPS issue will have true resolution very soon.

I switched from a moto Q. To a samsung jack, used a epix for a bit as well. Got this phone a few weeks ago and have not regretted it for a second. Android and win mobile 6.5 are not even close enough to compare.
Also swype beats out any virtual or physical keypad I have ever used.
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I'd SERIOUSLY wait 2 months until the Windows Phone 7 devices are out. I was at MSFT this week and got to play with a dev model for a few minutes, it does seem pretty nice. It will all really depend on what apps are available.

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I'd SERIOUSLY wait 2 months until the Windows Phone 7 devices are out. I was at MSFT this week and got to play with a dev model for a few minutes, it does seem pretty nice. It will all really depend on what apps are available.
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My impression, personally, was that windows mobile seemed like it was as locked down as the iphone, but without all of the iphone's features and polish. In short, It seemed like the worst of both worlds. The only thing I that it has going for itself is the nice looking homescreens. That is just my initial impression though and I hope I'm wrong.

You can see my list of phones in my SIG and I know my thing when it comes to HTC and WinMo.... all those phones in that list, were me trying to find a device that ran...well.... the way my Captivate does. Even with fat thumbs I can still type on the software keyboard... I go back to my TP2 and I actually type slower. I just cant type without looking at the keyboard, one thing a software keyboard will never accomplish.
Ive been following WinMo for years, and I can tell you, this makes me never want to go back, even for WP7.

ewingr said:
Nobody knows for sure. Some speculate it is hardware and won't be fixed. Most of us feel it is software. It supposedly works for some people, but those that can't get it to work are dubious that the ones that work are just not hitting the right circumstances for it to fail. It actually seems to be accurate a high percentage of the time, but when it is off, it is waaaaayyyyy off. Sometimes only for a few seconds. Very inconsistent.
Samsung has indicated it will be fixed in September. Not much time left for them on that commitment.
If they don't make it by then, there will be lots of whining and griping. I'll be doing that in my mind, but plan to refrain from doing so in the forum The GPS problem is probably the single largest issue that has caused a lot of threads, and several contentious posts.
It is a great phone. Hopefully the GPS issue will have true resolution very soon.
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Ok I got the phone on the way home.
I am likeing it a lot all ready. I used Travel for the GPS app. That thing worked great. I hope maybe I got a good one. Before I did anything on the phone I did the software update. I am going to play with it for a little and see what else if great. I do love the voice activated things. That is great.

veener79 said:
Ok I got the phone on the way home.
I am likeing it a lot all ready. I used Travel for the GPS app. That thing worked great. I hope maybe I got a good one. Before I did anything on the phone I did the software update. I am going to play with it for a little and see what else if great. I do love the voice activated things. That is great.
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I came from a HTC Tilt, which had HORRIBLE GPS. I was able to get a great Froyo ROM in it and had a ton of time to play with it before I got the Captivate. The learning curve is very low for basic operation. It'll take a bit of research to get the rooting/sideloading etc down. Most everyone here is fantastic at helping out and I've gotten some excellent advice from people on how to mod my Captivate. Coming from a WinMo phone to this one, I HIGHLY doubt you'll be disappointed

Windows Phone 7 rant

I am a die hard WM user - never used any other OS. Was awaiting WP7 for months!
It is a dumb blonde! Pretty, but useless.
1. Keyboard is good, but no option to longpress for numbers
2. Phone dialler - no option to dial name of contact on phone dialler
3. Can't search calendar for specific appointments
4. Office hub is useless - can't organize in folder, ending up with loooong list of documents.
5. Word mobile is hopeless for formatting compared to WM6.5
6. Adobe PDF documents - can't be organized in folders. Can't even rename files
7. No video calling
8. The stupidest thing: Can't transfer files from PC to phone. What the ^$%^$ !
I have to go to Dropbox every time!

Buy an android phone lol

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Stay with a WM 6.5 device. I kept my FUZE but after some time with the Focus would NEVER use it or any other WM device again. I felt a lot like you do at first, but that quickly wore off the more I used WP7. If you already bought it and feel the way you do, sell it and get something else. I used to see a lot of rants like this months ago but see almost no posts like yours recently. I think you should have posted this months ago, you might have found some allies, but not today.

JamesAllen said:
Stay with a WM 6.5 device. I kept my FUZE but after some time with the Focus would NEVER use it or any other WM device again. I felt a lot like you do at first, but that quickly wore off the more I used WP7. If you already bought it and feel the way you do, sell it and get something else. I used to see a lot of rants like this months ago but see almost no posts like yours recently. I think you should have posted this months ago, you might have found some allies, but not today.
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Well said. I was going to say pretty much the same thing. I struggled going from WM to WP at first (I still miss swype dearly) but after a few days of WP7 I could never go back despite some shortcomings.

Goodbye 6.5
The things I thought I could not live without in WM6.5 have turned out to be silly. I don't know why I felt that way. Anyway, many apps I used on 6.5 are now available on WP7, and more coming daily. The news of the potential features in Mango take away many if not most of my concerns.

I think we need to remember that WP7 is very young still, iOS didn't have copy and paste also when it came out... Give it a year or so I'm sure WP7 will be up there.
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My grouse is that WM 6.5 had so many features that have been stripped down to the point that WP7 is inconvenient. Why strip down Office to a bare minimum? Why remove the smart dialler in the phone? Why remove the long press for numbers in the keyboard? Why no USB functionality? Moreover, there are inconsistencies within WP7 itself. Why no voice GPS? E.g., why no search option in calendar? Why no zune support for synching data files? Why no wifi tethering?
I am not comparing WP7 to other OS. I am comparing it with Microsoft's own previous product. 6.5 to 7 is meant to be an upgrade, but it is actually a downgrade.
Why deliver a stripped down product when the previous product (6.5) had all these? And now, they have to catch up with "updates" with all the attendant bad publicity, and poor sales.
They had 3 years to get it right. They had at least 8 months in the beta testing when people clamored for copy-paste.
Stupid clowns.

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My grouse is that WM 6.5 had so many features that have been stripped down to the point that WP7 is inconvenient.
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Agreed.
Why remove the smart dialer in the phone? Why remove the long press for numbers in the keyboard? Why no USB functionality?
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Agreed.
Why no Zune support for synching data files?
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Agreed.
Why no wifi tethering?
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That is a biggie, agreed. And let us not forget custom ring tones (sure you can sideload, but really MS screwed the pooch here).
I am not comparing WP7 to other OS. I am comparing it with Microsoft's own previous product. 6.5 to 7 is meant to be an upgrade, but it is actually a downgrade.
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In some important ways it is a downgrade, in other ways it is an upgrade. All in all WP7 may be better due to newer/faster hardware, yet the FAIL of lackluster Bluetooth integration, no rSAP, no custom ring tones, no way to sync files easily, no wireless tethering, etc, etc and yes etc is really a let down. MS always seem to go three steps forward and two steps back, then perhaps release ONE of the two 'lost' steps like it is a huge improvement and technology advancement. If MS does not get their act together and release what many consider normal features, the Android market will leave MS in the dust.
MS can do much better, so what is keeping them from reaching some simple goals every other major phone OS has been doing for many years (including MS' 6.x)? THAT is the real question.

I think the worst thing is the wifi sleep issue that no one can seem to find a fix for. I bought one a week ago and its been sitting in the box while I use my desire. I just can't use it properly without having the option to leave wifi on
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CdTDroiD said:
I think the worst thing is the wifi sleep issue that no one can seem to find a fix for. I bought one a week ago and its been sitting in the box while I use my desire. I just can't use it properly without having the option to leave wifi on
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I agree 100%. This issue and another big Wi-Fi issue are the bane of my existence on WP7. Anyone have trouble connecting to different Wi-Fi networks? This is by far the biggest nuisance I deal with. What I mean by this is, for example: I am at work all day connected to the office Wi-Fi. I come home and my Quantum refuses to connect to my home network. It tries to connect for about 15 seconds or so, then eventually gives up. The only way to get it behaving properly is to reboot the phone. Turning Wi-Fi off then back on, disassociating with all remembered networks, etc. all do nothing. Don't know if this is unique to me because there is just something specific about the networks I am connecting to that creates "The Perfect Storm" and throws the Wi-Fi off, or if this is a widespread problem. Either way, I can't wait until it is resolved.

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I agree 100%. This issue and another big Wi-Fi issue are the bane of my existence on WP7. Anyone have trouble connecting to different Wi-Fi networks? This is by far the biggest nuisance I deal with. What I mean by this is, for example: I am at work all day connected to the office Wi-Fi. I come home and my Quantum refuses to connect to my home network. It tries to connect for about 15 seconds or so, then eventually gives up. The only way to get it behaving properly is to reboot the phone. Turning Wi-Fi off then back on, disassociating with all remembered networks, etc. all do nothing. Don't know if this is unique to me because there is just something specific about the networks I am connecting to that creates "The Perfect Storm" and throws the Wi-Fi off, or if this is a widespread problem. Either way, I can't wait until it is resolved.
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I don't get this issue at all mate, i pretty much do the same - connect to a network at work, then go home, it automatically connects fine for me at either location. I also connect to Wifi networks at my parents and GF's mum's and it connects flawlessly to either one without any hassle.
Though i must admit, the ability to keep wireless on even when the phone goes to sleep is a must! It will however stay on if you plug the phone into its charger, though not always convenient.

lynxinteractive said:
I agree 100%. This issue and another big Wi-Fi issue are the bane of my existence on WP7. Anyone have trouble connecting to different Wi-Fi networks? This is by far the biggest nuisance I deal with. What I mean by this is, for example: I am at work all day connected to the office Wi-Fi. I come home and my Quantum refuses to connect to my home network. It tries to connect for about 15 seconds or so, then eventually gives up. The only way to get it behaving properly is to reboot the phone. Turning Wi-Fi off then back on, disassociating with all remembered networks, etc. all do nothing. Don't know if this is unique to me because there is just something specific about the networks I am connecting to that creates "The Perfect Storm" and throws the Wi-Fi off, or if this is a widespread problem. Either way, I can't wait until it is resolved.
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I don't get this issue either except on my nook and I think my wireless router @ that location is the issue (pretty sure of it). The WPA only a select few ip addresses on certain mac addresses for some reason so if the address is taken by another device it doesn't connect I thought my router was smart guess I was wrong but once I forget the network and then reapply the security settings it connects, I have no problem with my other router.

After purchasing an Acer Iconia a500 , I realized that it isnt just WP7 users who whine and complain about the latest upgrades , its tech wide ! I mean some of the gripes you have are laudible ,but in the long run 6.5 is done , so if you long for that experience it wont last , sure theres still some people using Windows 98 , XP , but at some point it becomes so outdated it becomes useless, you will find wm 6.5 fits this category , sometimes you have to go back to go forward and that is the case with WP7 !
Trust me the "copy paste" function is useless , I havent even used it yet (or missed not having it) , As I said I have a tablet with Honeycomb on it , its really irratating hearing all the babies crying about updates , the damn OS has been out for a month and these crybabies are whining "it doesnt do this ,it doesnt do that" , the thing is like most devices that are new it will not have certain things right off the bat , yes the device can be rooted a plus , but somethings cant be changed yet , just like the missing api's wp7 , that stuff will come , theres so many talented people in XDA , JUST RELAX AND ENJOY THE RIDE!,

Vintage144 said:
After purchasing an Acer Iconia a500 , I realized that it isnt just WP7 users who whine and complain about the latest upgrades , its tech wide ! I mean some of the gripes you have are laudible ,but in the long run 6.5 is done , so if you long for that experience it wont last , sure theres still some people using Windows 98 , XP , but at some point it becomes so outdated it becomes useless, you will find wm 6.5 fits this category , sometimes you have to go back to go forward and that is the case with WP7 !
Trust me the "copy paste" function is useless , I havent even used it yet (or missed not having it) , As I said I have a tablet with Honeycomb on it , its really irratating hearing all the babies crying about updates , the damn OS has been out for a month and these crybabies are whining "it doesnt do this ,it doesnt do that" , the thing is like most devices that are new it will not have certain things right off the bat , yes the device can be rooted a plus , but somethings cant be changed yet , just like the missing api's wp7 , that stuff will come , theres so many talented people in XDA , JUST RELAX AND ENJOY THE RIDE!,
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Cease with this being reasonable and level-headed immediately! If you continue with this behavior, I will report you to the Mods and request your immediate removal and ban! How can we be expected to have every thread ruined with incessant back and forth bickering, passive aggressive flaming, and pathetic trolling if behavior like yours is allowed to continue on this forum?

ehh this is why i never liked windows 7

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Buy an android phone lol
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how about you post something useful..
This guy has a lot of good points.
" OFFICE HUB"
is a joke
microsoft word is such a pain to use that formatting within the document is impossible!!
there is no way to save formatting. so If I need to write everything in red. I have to hit format every single time and then select an option. that along with the keyboard taking up the entire length of the document.
BLEH!
adobe reader is the slowest pdf viewer ive ever used!!! and i remember using an 8125 and reading pdfs on it..
The wifi issues are a pain!! they are so the carrier can force us to use there data plan. I want to use WIFI why did i buy the phone with wifi capabilities if it wont even stay on!!
The contacts are again a pain to search through.
there is no way to delete lines within a conversation..
Or Deleting multiple text messages.
Microsoft is really falling short on this one.

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After purchasing an Acer Iconia a500 , I realized that it isnt just WP7 users who whine and complain about the latest upgrades , its tech wide ! I mean some of the gripes you have are laudible ,but in the long run 6.5 is done , so if you long for that experience it wont last , sure theres still some people using Windows 98 , XP , but at some point it becomes so outdated it becomes useless, you will find wm 6.5 fits this category , sometimes you have to go back to go forward and that is the case with WP7 !
Trust me the "copy paste" function is useless , I havent even used it yet (or missed not having it) , As I said I have a tablet with Honeycomb on it , its really irratating hearing all the babies crying about updates , the damn OS has been out for a month and these crybabies are whining "it doesnt do this ,it doesnt do that" , the thing is like most devices that are new it will not have certain things right off the bat , yes the device can be rooted a plus , but somethings cant be changed yet , just like the missing api's wp7 , that stuff will come , theres so many talented people in XDA , JUST RELAX AND ENJOY THE RIDE!,
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this has nothing to do with XDA.....
this has to do with Microsoft developing a poor operating software for my 499.99$ phone. This is a rant about the missing features that are obvious to a smart phone and you are saying relaxing dont worry.. this is what i purchased the phone for and it is severely lacking in a lot of areas.

professorwol said:
this has nothing to do with XDA.....
this has to do with Microsoft developing a poor operating software for my 499.99$ phone. This is a rant about the missing features that are obvious to a smart phone and you are saying relaxing dont worry.. this is what i purchased the phone for and it is severely lacking in a lot of areas.
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If you were missinformed of what WP7 was and could do at the time of your purchase, its your own fault... grab your 499.99$ and take it back, problem solved.

professorwol said:
this has nothing to do with XDA.....
this has to do with Microsoft developing a poor operating software for my 499.99$ phone. This is a rant about the missing features that are obvious to a smart phone and you are saying relaxing dont worry.. this is what i purchased the phone for and it is severely lacking in a lot of areas.
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I find it pretty funny people moaning about the lack of features WP7 has and how great Android and IOS are.
I had Android from the very start when hardly anyone knew what it was and i had that brick of a phone (although i quite liked it lol) called the G1.
Android was released on 1.0 software however i thought it was a practical joke no lie the battery would last 5 hours if you was lucky and the phone would heat up like a microwave oven besides the various other bugs etc including freezing up completely. It took Google 5 updates until we got the first named update "Cupcake" 1.5 before android was even half usable and had copy & paste etc. And to be honest it should of started on 1.5 so my G1 only got 1 decent update to 1.6.
Its the same with all the other android phones i have had the SE X10 did go from 1.6 to 2.3 only because legions of p*ssed off people including myself moaned at sony like there was no tomorrow when they said it would only get 2.1 (i think).
Etc Etc the point it Android is way too fragmented and buying a Android phone is like entering a lottery with regards to updates and added features etc.
Same with Apple it took them at least a year to add even copy & paste not too mention all the other stuff that was missing like MMS & Adobe Flash (ah yeah still ain't got that one).
Microsoft have given us a much better OS than both Google or Apple right off the bat and the amount of added features Mango is bringing is pretty amazing adding more stuff than 1 or 2 major android updates and even getting so things in the first year of WP7 that iPhone hasn't got after 5 years.

Thoughts about G2X after 2 weeks, my REAL problems with the G2X

So, I have had my G2X for more than 2 weeks. And to be honest, I've never been happier with an Android phone. And I'm sure lots of you hate me for this, but I have no reboots and minimal screen bleed.
I do have problems with the phone.
Call list is ridiculously crippled. My ages old Nokia 6263 flip phone has a call log that splits up MISSSED, RECEIVED, OUTGOING, and ALL, it also calculates times and dates for EACH call, plus logs total times called
The G2X's call log is a list with phone numbers, horribly inaccurate times [such as "1 hour ago" when it was actually more than 1 hour 45 minutes ago\ and NO SPLITTING UP, the only way to tell what is missed or outgoing is by the icons next to the call, but no way to filter through [for someone in business, this is a must when I'm calling many different numbers through the day]
Then there's the little things I miss from my Defy
Battery Manager, considering how quickly the G2X can run through batteries, why no battery manager? The Defy had custom battery profiles and three very well thought out preset profiles, all usable at one point. Performance mode made everything go full blast, data, screen brightness, etc. Battery Saver made screen brightness 0, turned off autosync, and got you on 2g. Smart Mode was like performance mode, but went into saver mode if you weren't using the phone.
The buttons next to the app drawer: It make no sense to me for the buttons next to the app drawer button to be call and browser. On my old Defy, the buttons were CALL and CONTACTS, and they were nice big buttons that stood out. Having browser next to app drawer button makes no sense when you can access browser from either app drawer itself or a small widget on my screen.
The alarm application, RIDICULOUS! It can't use my music as an alarm, only the default alarms. Why in the world? I have to make an mp3 into a ringtone from ringdroid for it to work. Is this an issue with file locations and the memory cards? or is the alarm clock guilty of this one fatal flaw?
Well, what do you guys think? Some of you have brought up valid issues, such as the way the phone handles the internal storage and external storage and how much it complicates pathnames and default settings. then there's also the way wi fi calling can drop in the middle of a call for no reason.
Last but not least, I hate how this is the first phone where it's hard to get excited about any new phones. It's so above and beyond everything else on the market that what can really get my heart racing? The phone still isn't even on Gingerbread, the Tegra zone is barely getting started, and the modding community is just heating up. Honestly, what's out there? I think for once, anyone who upgraded or added a line for this phone definitely gets their 2 years worth out of it.
Don't get me wrong, this is one amazing phone. I love it to death..but there's some things that are just wrong and I hope the firmware updates addresses.

download an alarm, phone log app, and juicedefender from the market. launcher buttons can be changed also. problem solved.

regP said:
download an alarm, phone log app, and juicedefender from the market. launcher buttons can be changed also. problem solved.
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Stock launcher buttons can be changed? I wasn't aware of that, if you know how please let me know!
I realize lots of these issues can be fixed by apps, but I have to admit, it impresses me when a phone straight out the box is usable. The G2X is quite possibly almost that kind of phone, it's a beautiful stock like user interface and some of LG's takes on things are impressive

If you get handcent, you can use it's sound picker to use any file for an alarm.
From your other complaints, it sounds like you've not used a vanilla android before. Most of those things are either features or things to get used to. The functions you want can be found on the market.

againareku said:
Stock launcher buttons can be changed? I wasn't aware of that, if you know how please let me know!
I realize lots of these issues can be fixed by apps, but I have to admit, it impresses me when a phone straight out the box is usable. The G2X is quite possibly almost that kind of phone, it's a beautiful stock like user interface and some of LG's takes on things are impressive
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Just download adw or launcher pro. They are way better than the stock launcher and can be customized just they way you want them. All of your problems can be easily solved by looking for apps on the market. Also eventhough we don't have official gingerbread, we already have a pretty stable cm7 build (at least it has been for me).
The only thing I would say I'm missing is Netflix support. But even that can be fixed by mods
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And battstatt if you dont mod and have a battery meter.
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And battstatt if you dont mod and have a battery meter.
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I have to say that there is no reason at all that there is no default built in solution for battery management and or task management. LG or T-Mobile should have a solution for everyone, why give off such a critical feature to a slew of 3rd party apps.
All Thinkpads have a battery manager that manages how the laptop is charged, varies the charging and when it kicks in (ie start charging ONLY if under 85%) And has a battery reset that charges, drains, and charges, and resets the meter, all while plugged in.
No excuse for the phone builders to not manage that hardware...which the battery is a huge chunk of.

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I have to say that there is no reason at all that there is no default built in solution for battery management and or task management. LG or T-Mobile should have a solution for everyone, why give off such a critical feature to a slew of 3rd party apps.
All Thinkpads have a battery manager that manages how the laptop is charged, varies the charging and when it kicks in (ie start charging ONLY if under 85%) And has a battery reset that charges, drains, and charges, and resets the meter, all while plugged in.
No excuse for the phone builders to not manage that hardware...which the battery is a huge chunk of.
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It's wasted effort on their part. For every ONE person who would use that resource, 20 more would go to the app market and download an app that does exactly what they want. That's the beauty of Android, iOS, and other app based OSes.

Just get an iPhone, stop crying!!
G2X

fcisco13 said:
Just get an iPhone, stop crying!!
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I would stop crying..
but my POS motorolas have these features and they're $379 and $249 phones
There's no excuse a high end premium handset shouldn't have these features. It has bloatware, but not a battery manager or alarm or proper call log? Not to mention subpar music and gallery apps.
Now, why, Motorola, with such horrible R&D and short coding staff can do it, but LG witha $600 MSRP can't?
The camera app on the G2X is proof LG can do things right and absolutely better than anyone. The rest of the basic functions should be at the same level.

againareku said:
I would stop crying..
but my POS motorolas have these features and they're $379 and $249 phones
There's no excuse a high end premium handset shouldn't have these features. It has bloatware, but not a battery manager or alarm or proper call log? Not to mention subpar music and gallery apps.
Now, why, Motorola, with such horrible R&D and short coding staff can do it, but LG witha $600 MSRP can't?
The camera app on the G2X is proof LG can do things right and absolutely better than anyone. The rest of the basic functions should be at the same level.
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I guess the beauty of android is that you can add/remove/freeze/ anything you want, yes its a pain sometimes, but hey at least its not iPhone...
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againareku said:
So, I have had my G2X for more than 2 weeks. And to be honest, I've never been happier with an Android phone. And I'm sure lots of you hate me for this, but I have no reboots and minimal screen bleed.
I do have problems with the phone.
Call list is ridiculously crippled. My ages old Nokia 6263 flip phone has a call log that splits up MISSSED, RECEIVED, OUTGOING, and ALL, it also calculates times and dates for EACH call, plus logs total times called
The G2X's call log is a list with phone numbers, horribly inaccurate times [such as "1 hour ago" when it was actually more than 1 hour 45 minutes ago\ and NO SPLITTING UP, the only way to tell what is missed or outgoing is by the icons next to the call, but no way to filter through [for someone in business, this is a must when I'm calling many different numbers through the day]
Then there's the little things I miss from my Defy
Battery Manager, considering how quickly the G2X can run through batteries, why no battery manager? The Defy had custom battery profiles and three very well thought out preset profiles, all usable at one point. Performance mode made everything go full blast, data, screen brightness, etc. Battery Saver made screen brightness 0, turned off autosync, and got you on 2g. Smart Mode was like performance mode, but went into saver mode if you weren't using the phone.
The buttons next to the app drawer: It make no sense to me for the buttons next to the app drawer button to be call and browser. On my old Defy, the buttons were CALL and CONTACTS, and they were nice big buttons that stood out. Having browser next to app drawer button makes no sense when you can access browser from either app drawer itself or a small widget on my screen.
The alarm application, RIDICULOUS! It can't use my music as an alarm, only the default alarms. Why in the world? I have to make an mp3 into a ringtone from ringdroid for it to work. Is this an issue with file locations and the memory cards? or is the alarm clock guilty of this one fatal flaw?
Well, what do you guys think? Some of you have brought up valid issues, such as the way the phone handles the internal storage and external storage and how much it complicates pathnames and default settings. then there's also the way wi fi calling can drop in the middle of a call for no reason.
Last but not least, I hate how this is the first phone where it's hard to get excited about any new phones. It's so above and beyond everything else on the market that what can really get my heart racing? The phone still isn't even on Gingerbread, the Tegra zone is barely getting started, and the modding community is just heating up. Honestly, what's out there? I think for once, anyone who upgraded or added a line for this phone definitely gets their 2 years worth out of it.
Don't get me wrong, this is one amazing phone. I love it to death..but there's some things that are just wrong and I hope the firmware updates addresses.
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Sorry to say, but this is a really stupid rant. Everything can be changed with a custom rom, or something from the market. Learn something before ranting about nothing. Also you're basically complaining about stock android...this is so stupid.

I use "AContact" for my contact list, call log and dialer. It is miles ahead of the stock Android contact list/call log. Best of yet, it's free to. A lot of things aren't included with Android because they know there are tons of 3rd party apps that people will download according to what kind of features there looking for. For a alarm, use "Alarm Clock Plus". It looks exactly like the stock alarm only it has a lot more features such as adding a song or a playlist of songs to wake you up.

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Sorry to say, but this is a really stupid rant. Everything can be changed with a custom rom, or something from the market. Learn something before ranting about nothing. Also you're basically complaining about stock android...this is so stupid.
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So, where does that leave the average user? See, Android's nice, and I'm sure everyone would love for Android to become the number one OS, but if users who don't root and flash are stuck then why should they consider Android over iOS or WP7?
I have no problem rooting or flashing, I do it to a throw away phone like my old CLIQ XT running cm7
but I'd prefer to keep my 1 year warranty and extended warranty service valid for a $600 device.

You really should get an android phone from motorola or htc with their blur/sense services. You obviously don't want to do the research or work yourself to find apps. The htc sensation comes out soon. Return your g2x so we don't have to hear another pointless rant please, thank you. And how on earth did you figure out xda if you can't figure out this phone...

Can I haz iPhone?
I want the one with wifi's and 3g's
Can I Also get the one wiff. Da bigger GEEBEE'S¿
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So, where does that leave the average user? See, Android's nice, and I'm sure everyone would love for Android to become the number one OS, but if users who don't root and flash are stuck then why should they consider Android over iOS or WP7?
I have no problem rooting or flashing, I do it to a throw away phone like my old CLIQ XT running cm7
but I'd prefer to keep my 1 year warranty and extended warranty service valid for a $600 device.
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I'm sorry, actually no I'm not, but Android was not made for the average user. You want that experience then go get an iPhone. That's not bashing the iPhone but it has its niche. It's the Everyman device. You don't want or have the time to customize? Android isn't for you. This was a senseless rant and a part of me just has to wonder if you're a troll, especially if you're on a site as technically as XDA and are complaining about customization.
The wonders of Android are that if you don't like something, you can change it. That's why I've owned Android since its inception and I'll own it until it fades out of existence.
Last bit, rooting has nothing to do with changing the features you're wanting. There are easily found applications that remedy every problem you mentioned.
I don't usually rip into other users but this post just irked me.

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So, where does that leave the average user? See, Android's nice, and I'm sure everyone would love for Android to become the number one OS, but if users who don't root and flash are stuck then why should they consider Android over iOS or WP7?
I have no problem rooting or flashing, I do it to a throw away phone like my old CLIQ XT running cm7
but I'd prefer to keep my 1 year warranty and extended warranty service valid for a $600 device.
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Average user here ... I haven't rooted my phone, but certainly don't feel "stuck." I considered Android over IOS or WP7 because it offered me far more choices. For one, the contact list that bothers you so much is sufficient for me. What you consider obvious misses are clean, streamlined choices to me. I chose Android because I knew if there was something I didn't like (such as a contact list, alarm clock, etc.) there were hundreds of other options just a quick download away. I find it fun to try out different apps to find the one that absolutely fits my needs, and I always do.
The best thing you can do to help change your attitude is to personalize your phone, with just a little research, and maybe start with a new Launcher. I use LauncherPro and love how I can put any icon anywhere I want on its dock bar, in any order, and then also be able to use a swipe up gesture to get even more. So, on my phone icon, I use a swipe gesture to view my contacts so I have two useful features in one spot. Saves space and time.
I think once you adjust to having the ability to make choices for what you want where on your phone, you will truly see the beauty of Android.

againareku said:
So, where does that leave the average user? See, Android's nice, and I'm sure everyone would love for Android to become the number one OS, but if users who don't root and flash are stuck then why should they consider Android over iOS or WP7?
I have no problem rooting or flashing, I do it to a throw away phone like my old CLIQ XT running cm7
but I'd prefer to keep my 1 year warranty and extended warranty service valid for a $600 device.
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You Mr. Average User do not have to root or flash to change anything you want changed. You chose a vanilla Android device...the flavor comes from adding your own toppings. If you want something pre-customized to someone else's tastes you should get an HTC device (Sense) , or gasp...a Motorola (Blur). Or maybe even a WP7 or retch...an IPhone. Point is you have choices. You wouldn't make yourself a big bowl of vanilla ice cream at the desert bar and the complain that you have to add your own toppings...that would just be...stupid. Just sayin'.

I agree the dialer is basic. It doesn't dial by name... just like the stock alarm doesn't play MP3s. But they are stock and can all be switched out.
I like the stock alarm. Simple and reliable. For dialer I liked Dialer One. But I conditioned myself to use stock dialer. Why? Well because we have awesome Voice Search.
Hold the search button for a second and say "Dial Dominoes 45325" and bam! Ordering pizza with no Google search or lookups. Same with contacts. "Call Dad mobile". Done. "Dialer One" is a good replacement though.
Launcher Pro is a good launcher replacement with lots of slick effects and options. Also ADW EX.
This is stock android where they keep things simple. Almost like they want you to explore your options. Welcome to personal user experience. You aren't locked down to any one app.
LG G2x - CM7 2.3.4