The title should actually be GAMING ON ANDROID - mistyped.
There's gonna be a fierce competition in Android Gaming (or hopefully so).
Mobile Manufacturers are chipping in powerful GPUs on their SoCs, which is a very good sign.
It's definitely going to be hard to choose the best gaming mobile from a lot of great mobiles.
Hope this thread will help people to choose their right gaming device.
First of all lets start with the hardware.
As of now, the following hardwares are available for graphics hungry gaming
--> Galaxy S [PowerVR SGX 540]
--> Atrix [Geforce ULP GPU]
--> Optimus 2X [Geforce ULP GPU]
--> Optimus 3D [SGX 540 @300MHZ]
--> Galaxy S II [ ARM Mali 400-MP / Geforce ULP GPU]
Among the above mobiles, the rating is as follows
1 - Optimusx 2x
2 - Galaxy S
3 - Atrix
4 - ARM Mali
* as per anandtech's test with GL Benchmark 2.0 - Egypt
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And there is weird thing with Geforce ULP GPU, it seems it doesn't support AA/FSAA. Dunno whether it is a problem with GLBencmark application or Driver problem with Geforce ULP... Gotta dig more on this...
The ARM Mali - 400MP is supposed to have 5 times greater performance than SGX540, which it clearly failed. Of course, it has a lot to do with the proper drivers, and this is too early to judge the benchmark scores of SGS II, but still, don't think samsung is gonna do anything on this matter.
A bit off topic, Apple has gone miles ahead with its latest ipad2.
Already it has got great games, and added with this PowerVR SGX 543MP2, it's gonna rock! Guess, again, it'll take years/months to catch up with ipad2's preformance... Hope Adreno 220 or Kal-El will do the magic for android...
Of course, we need to talk about processors too, but i guess the amount of physics involved in current games can be easily handled by the present single ghz processors...
--> Rest of the talk on next post... [Regarding various games available / coming soon]
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The Exynos is doing 35fps on Egypt at 1366x768 w/AA in the Odroid-A over at glbenchmark.com. That's much closer to Samsungs promise it seems.
Here's another test: http://androidandme.com/2011/03/new...s-omap4-and-snapdragon-match-up-with-tegra-2/
But they use the same Anandtech numbers as source.
"Scores for the Optimus 3D and Galaxy S II were taken from Anandtech."
landing said:
The Exynos is doing 35fps on Egypt at 1366x768 w/AA in the Odroid-A over at glbenchmark.com. That's much closer to Samsungs promise it seems.
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"ODROID-A" - that's new... can you put up the link for the benchmark result here...
Edit: ok got it.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Hardkernel+ODROID-A&benchmark=glpro20
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"ODROID-A" - that's new... can you put up the link for the benchmark result here...
Edit: ok got it.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Hardkernel+ODROID-A&benchmark=glpro20
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so does it mean Mali-400 has similar performance as SGX543 given that the benchmark for odroid-a is comparable to that of i-pad?
^ no way!
SGX543MP2 is way better than Mali-400MP and Geforce ULP (or atleast this is the present scenario/good efficient usage by ios drivers).
I thought Mali-400MP2 was inferior to SGX540 (which shouldn't be supposedly), but it isn't so after all. Most probably by the time SGS II is released, it'll have the drivers that O-DROID has and it'll be on par with the tegra devices in the benchmark...
That is a strange conclusion from looking at the benchmark results. I would say the SGX543 is suppose to be the dominant GPU based on specs but the Mali-400 in Exynos 4210 is really impressing on the games tests and could quite possibly kick SGX543's butt if the resolutions where the same. More results please!
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That is a strange conclusion from looking at the benchmark results. I would say the SGX543 is suppose to be the dominant GPU based on specs but the Mali-400 in Exynos 4210 is really impressing on the games tests and could quite possibly kick SGX543's butt if the resolutions where the same. More results please!
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after all the original SGS was packed with a superior GPU compare to A4 and i hope Mali-400 will at least be competitive against SGX543 if not on par.
@i9100 & sckc23 - even i was hoping that MALI 400MP is a kickass GPU and samsung was so clever in choosing it (instead of choosing tegra). Cause when all were choosing snapdragon+'lame' adreno, Galaxy S landed with hummingbird and PowerVR SGX540 which could kick ip4's butt....
But the results prove that I'm wrong.
And there's also another reason why Galaxy S won't be a great piece of hardware like IP4 and other android smartphones, because though it has powerful GPU it's lonely in its category. If SAMSUNG funded game developers to code efficiently for GALAXY S and SGS II mobiles, then i'm pretty sure it'll be the best. But that's not the case.
On the other hand, Sony Ericsson and Qualcomm (2 giantshots) are working along with game devlopers for the advancement of their adreno series of GPUs.
So in the end, they'll definitely become the winners.
I guess the game developers should themselves realize the need to code effectively for different mobiles, at least for Galaxy S (the most popular/ Sold mobile) and the SGS II (the gonna be most popular mobile).
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But the results prove that I'm wrong.
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Isn't the only result to support your conclusion the single test Anandtech performed? The same result that has been pulled from the GLBenchmark result listing?
But I do agree with you that Samsung needs to step up their developer engagement game if they want to be a leader.
Ya, those results are enough to know that MALI is underpowered. Unlike games these benchmarks will run efficiently on all GPUs. But the reason why MALI is under performed in SGS II and not in ODROID, might be because of the driver factors.
->Anandtech says the drivers play a significant role in making the hardware much better.
->And its upto the developer to fully utilize the hardware and its drivers.
I don't think neither of them is going to better with MALI.
And Apple should've focused on developing an efficient driver for 543mp2 by themselves or should've insisted more on Intrinsity to make it better for iOS.
So you are determined to stick to a conclusion based on likely invalid benchmark data and at the same time dismiss the benchmark itself? I'm sorry, I'm not able to help you then.
Let's try again when there are new SII data available
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Ya, those results are enough to know that MALI is underpowered. Unlike games these benchmarks will run efficiently on all GPUs. But the reason why MALI is under performed in SGS II and not in ODROID, might be because of the driver factors.
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It underperfomed on a test version of the phone Anandtech got to play with at MWC - I would take nothing from such a test as an absolute. The ODROID-a test shows the potential for SGSII.
Unlike games these benchmarks will run efficiently on all GPUs
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Do you mean that the benchmarks are too synthetic or that game developers are sloppy?
->Anandtech says the drivers play a significant role in making the hardware much better.
->And its upto the developer to fully utilize the hardware and its drivers.
I don't think neither of them is going to better with MALI.
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It seems the drivers for ODROID-A works better, and Samsung would probably get the same drivers. If they are using the same drivers, the score would probably be higher than the ODROID-A, since the glbenchmark tests are very resolution dependent.
And Apple should've focused on developing an efficient driver for 543mp2 by themselves or should've insisted more on Intrinsity to make it better for iOS.
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Haven't they done that? The benchmarks for the 543MP2 seems quite good to me. And as far as I know, Apple IS developing the OpenGL driver themselves (but probably with help from IMG).
I will say that sometimes its about what you can get out of it not just the specs. The droid and milestone run alot less hardware then most phones these days but with the right rom they run close to on par.
I think the dev community for android is really pushing the hardware to its limits and the phone manu's are just pumping out specs.
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I will say that sometimes its about what you can get out of it not just the specs. The droid and milestone run alot less hardware then most phones these days but with the right rom they run close to on par.
I think the dev community for android is really pushing the hardware to its limits and the phone manu's are just pumping out specs.
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I do agree with you to a certain extent. I think the HTC Desire offers one of the best user experience in android and I am grateful to the dev community who keep improving it and try to get the best out of the phone. Nonetheless it does lag a lot when multitasking or running games with heavy graphics and as someone who often play games on the phone, i would surely look for one with a much more capable GPU. hopefully be the SGS II=)
how about xperia PLAY ?
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how about xperia PLAY ?
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Xperia play comes with Adreno 205 which is really last-gen so i doubt it can handle heavy graphics. The only advantage is the sliding control pad and SE will probably pay game dev to try optimising their game for the device.
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It underperfomed on a test version of the phone Anandtech got to play with at MWC - I would take nothing from such a test as an absolute. The ODROID-a test shows the potential for SGSII.
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Ya, even i was saying that. Samsung should make much better drivers. But will they be doing it? I doubt that. And is SGX540 being utilized to its full potential?
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Do you mean that the benchmarks are too synthetic or that game developers are sloppy?
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Usually I don't give a f about benchmark(may be that's because of my assumption that it uses only specs statistics), But GLBenchmark is very very close to real time gaming. Cause i've run the test in my phone and i've found it very real. So i ll definitely consider the score anytime.
And what i meant in that line was, games unlike benchmark are not optimized for all hardware. But the purpose of benchmark is to run efficiently on all hardware and so i said it'll run efficiently on all devices. But hey, thats just my IMHO. (I'm very sorry for not adding it, its all based on some calculations that i've made)
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It seems the drivers for ODROID-A works better, and Samsung would probably get the same drivers. If they are using the same drivers, the score would probably be higher than the ODROID-A, since the glbenchmark tests are very resolution dependent.
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Jeez, i totally forgot about the resolution... wow! so i think, if SGS II uses ODROID's drivers, it'll definitely kick MP2 ass? I REALLY WANT THE EXYNOS SGSII TO BE THE ANDROID FLAGSHIP, cause only it has the S-AMOLED-PLUS screen. I don't want to compromise S-A-P for tegra.
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Haven't they done that? The benchmarks for the 543MP2 seems quite good to me. And as far as I know, Apple IS developing the OpenGL driver themselves (but probably with help from IMG).
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This is the one, which I TOTALLY miscommunicated. I'm very sorry for my bad English. I was about to say "Apple WOULD HAVE focused on Drivers or WOULD HAVE insisted more on Intrinsity to make it compatible with iOS, thats why they were able to get such good results." S***!, a small change in grammar totally changes the meaning of the sentence.
@i9100 - i don't get you. Will conclude the with the benchmark, if the benchmark was made with final product. Won't mind the benchmark if the product was not tested with final drivers.
@duandroid & @sckc23 - +1
@ekimaureza - xperia PLAY is totally s*** for its price 32,000 INR (while you can get a much better SGS (GT-i9000) for 25,000 INR.
@sckc23 - SE will pay the devs not only to optimize it for those keypads, but also for the phone's hardware itself. Not only SE. It seems Qualcomm is very keen on marketing Adreno GPU after acquiring it. So, even IF the Snapdragon and other Qualcomm (dual cores) with Adreno GPUs are made inferior to PowerVR and ARM Mali, they'll make sure that all games are coded efficiently to run on their hardware.
THE DEVs will think of only one thing - whichever hardware is sold more, they'll code efficiently for it. Cause that'll naturally make their game good on most of the devices.
So though the PowerVR SGX540 (SGS) is better than Adreno 205 (nexus one, desire and a whole lot of other mobiles), developers would've kept adreno 205 while coding as those products have been sold more units than SGS.
The above statments include some real facts, based on logical calculations and some "IMHO"s. So please don't bother to scold me if i'm wrong.
Related
has any one read this and what are your thoughts on it. http://tiltmobility.com/htc-device-specs-leaked-out/
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TiltMobility said:
From one of our many resources hidden deep within the “bush” we bring to you a spreadsheet with some handy info on it… All the specs, names and chipsets of the upcoming HTC releases.
I am very curious about the Star and SuperStar… And I am VERY intrigued by the NVIDIA AP16 chipset.
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well i hope it comes with a keyboard hope just hope. most likely wont. what are your thoughts on this??? I was ready for a touch pro 2 now im not that sure any more.
Saw the same article over at PocketNow. Looks like we're finally getting some nVidia devices. Looks like I'm skipping most of the new phones this year to get that device.
do wish they at least get a leaked pic i wanna see it first 2 see if i should pass the pro 2 or not
Wow, that superstar w/ nVidia is very interesting news!
Wow!!
Interesting news!
Hope soon we can have a look to Superstar and Star
Thanks for sharing,
rip off. way to many phones with similar functions and programs. not forgetting similar issues which has to be solved by xda. but still i love it
That Star looks like the previously leaked Firestone.
Presumably the Star and SuperStar are related - I hope that the SuperStar isn't basically a Star with a keyboard...
Anyway, that's my phone shopping on hold until we find out more about the SuperStar.
The Thoth is 1ghz. The article/leak is from MobilityDigest which is affiliated with fuzemobility.com and tiltmobility.com - it was picked up by a bunch of other sites
aw man, the Nvidia device BETTER have FULL drivers for ALL of the S.O.C. or there'll be hell to pay
to make up for HTC's bull**** over the driver issue, they can make it an Android device to please me.
then i'll forget the whole HTC and Qualcomm in bed whoring incident.
when nvidia Goforce 5500 came build in to o2 xda flame/toshiba G900, everyone is so excited until everyone knows there isnt any supporting doc for developers for nvidia's chip, no one can use it except for nvidia
so what is so excited when they have another chipset but not open for developers?
even until now ppl in flame/toshiba forum are still trying to get this chipset work for some simple video playback on tcpmp
Tabbe said:
when nvidia Goforce 5500 came build in to o2 xda flame/toshiba G900, everyone is so excited until everyone knows there isnt any supporting doc for developers for nvidia's chip, no one can use it except for nvidia
so what is so excited when they have another chipset but not open for developers?
even until now ppl in flame/toshiba forum are still trying to get this chipset work for some simple video playback on tcpmp
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whilst there have been various devices with dedicated (extra) graphics chips like the goforce550 and gofroce6100, this nvidia chip is a SINGLE S.O.C. designed entirely by them based on an ARM CPU design.
there is a MUCH higher chance that nVidia provide documentation for their own SOC than compared to a secondary chip that goes into a device with a CPU they didn't design.
i'm hopeful anyway. if it's not going to be Snapgragon that provides the performance and features we want, it will be Nvidia, or samsung, or marvel......
someone will make what we enthusiasts want. and we will buy it
thinking positive is good
but they should still release doc on the secondary chip first as reputation for them is bad
base on brand is good & end consumers always think its better, but not for developers who have bad experiences when email to nvidia, they dont even bother to reply
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=374678
Tabbe said:
thinking positive is good
but they should still release doc on the secondary chip first as reputation for them is bad
base on brand is good & end consumers always think its better, but not for developers who have bad experiences when email to nvidia, they dont even bother to reply
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=374678
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whilst i do agree with that business practice, it seems most mobile makers are well aware of the fact that most people are dumb sheep and have short memories.
the people will by whatever the current media tells them to. look at iphone sales, in America Apple have an easier time to sell it to Americans because they are less knowledgeable about such things.
in Europe and Asia it isn't selling so well because the people there know more and don't fall for such hype. in Asia you can buy un unlocked iphone for 1/2 the price of a subsidized USA iphone.
enthusiasts like us are a very small minority so we will always get the best available for our needs. unfortunately i've been unable to find my needs, but that will change by the end of the year
Tabbe said:
when nvidia Goforce 5500 came build in to o2 xda flame/toshiba G900, everyone is so excited until everyone knows there isnt any supporting doc for developers for nvidia's chip, no one can use it except for nvidia
so what is so excited when they have another chipset but not open for developers?
even until now ppl in flame/toshiba forum are still trying to get this chipset work for some simple video playback on tcpmp
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So how about MSM 7200A? for GF5500 at least tcpmp has full hardware acceleration for MPEG SP/ AVC Baseline, but AFAIK there's ONLY overlay support for MSM 7200A right now.
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So how about MSM 7200A? for GF5500 at least tcpmp has full hardware acceleration for MPEG SP/ AVC Baseline, but AFAIK there's ONLY overlay support for MSM 7200A right now.
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with the devices that have the older goforce dedicated graphics silicone, the hardware is used for almost nothing. on the O2 Flame the camera uses it for photos(at least the viewfinder, probably not even for JPEG acceleration), but not video codec acceleration at all.
TCMP may use the goforce, thoughi never heard of it using the chip, just the MSM72xx's built-in graphics chip.
for all the goforce devices, the devices never used it. not even for more than a few games. the desktop/today screen, all of the 2D things you do with the devices like displaying menus,browser screens, scrolling.......never accelerated. ther CPU does all the work, taking more time (worse performance), and more battery (worse battery time)
a total waste of battery and chip.
this is why i believe there is a better chance of Nvidia's SOC having the full drivers to use the graphics part because it's an entirely owned SOC from one company, not an additional chip where they're not responsible for making sure the device performs.
Nvidia will have the the whole SOC to be accountable for and that means they are in a position where they are more expected to perform.
have a look at the videos where Nvidia shows off the Tegra series chip and think that they're showing a reference platform with one of their own designed interfaces for developers to use the code.
this is much more involved compared to Qualcomm and other chip makers that don't usually do anything except make the chips and provide a single reference driver. Nvidia is being very involved in the chip AND the software development.
their desktop graphics chips have very good software support for developers. think "the way it's meant to be played" campaign, CUDA,etc
Nvidia make chips, and make software to use them.
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...search_sort=relevance&search_category=0&page=
Tabbe said:
when nvidia Goforce 5500 came build in to o2 xda flame/toshiba G900, everyone is so excited until everyone knows there isnt any supporting doc for developers for nvidia's chip, no one can use it except for nvidia
so what is so excited when they have another chipset but not open for developers?
even until now ppl in flame/toshiba forum are still trying to get this chipset work for some simple video playback on tcpmp
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I have the same concerns.
so is this the chipset we should be excited about? i now see people complaining about this nvidia chipset because the cpu is weaker compared to other upcoming phones. is that even true? i've yet to see a single video of any other chipset thats half as impressive as nvidia's.
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so is this the chipset we should be excited about? i now see people complaining about this nvidia chipset because the cpu is weaker compared to other upcoming phones. is that even true? i've yet to see a single video of any other chipset thats half as impressive as nvidia's.
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it's possible (i'm thinking ~70%) that this is the chip as i believe it has the best chance of having full driver support from Nvidia.
even though by the time it comes out (later this year) it'll be almost a year late from it's announcement, it'll still be a contender.
the ARM11 CPU core will only have to do the normal CPU functions like in a desktop CPU, because the TEGRA has dedicated silicone for all the rest of the accelerated goodness that IS in Qualcomm MSM72xx chips, but sadly not used.
there are next gen chips from Qualcomm (snapdragon), TI (OMAP 3 & 4), Samsung,Marvel......
they all have good chips coming out, but it looks like Nvidia could have one of the best for a good few months.
the only other contender in the near future (for the rest of this year) is Snapdragon. that is a beast built on ARM's Cortex unit (like some of TI's & other chips coming later), and looks to be the only other chip to consider this year.
being Qualcomm, i'm not entirely hopeful they will change their behavior regarding driver support. their business model stinks and Nvidia have the upper hand with regard to providing hardware AND software support.
so for me, for this year, i like Snapdragon's hardware, but i love the idea of the Nvidia chip. it's the mos promising better balance.
let's hope it gets enough design wins and a few decent devices come out to show what Nvidia can do in this new market for them.
Nvidia showed what could be done with TEGRA running a netbook compared to Intel's Atom, it shamed it in the power efficiency stakes! if Nvidia can get some design wins, they may pull of their $99 netbook promise.
thanks p3ngwin, thats basically how i was feeling about tegra. i knew snapdragon was probably going to be the competition, but from what i was reading on other forums there was a lot of debate about which one was going to be better.
but from what i've seen from snapdragon compared to tegra, i don't know why anyone should be impressed with snapdragon.
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thanks p3ngwin, thats basically how i was feeling about tegra. i knew snapdragon was probably going to be the competition, but from what i was reading on other forums there was a lot of debate about which one was going to be better.
but from what i've seen from snapdragon compared to tegra, i don't know why anyone should be impressed with snapdragon.
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snapdragon is a very powerful SOC, there are even netbooks being made with it just like TEGRA.
it's just that having the chip is not enough, the software needs to take advantage of all that power and that's where the idea of Qualcomm's snapdragon instantly gives me a sour state in my mouth.
Nvidia are new to this SOC biz, and i'm willing to forgive them for the crap devices other manufacturers made with the goforce series. Nvidia can make the chips and provide software, but they aren't in a position to demand it's optimal use as much as say MS can with a whole OS.
qualcomm and HTC had a deal on a ****-load of volume MSM72xx chips and HTC made truck loads of devices based on them. Qualcomm had a lousy business ethic regarding cost of chips and supporting software, and HTC were ok with that.
here's hoping Nvida have a better way of doing business.
Wanted your expert opinion on whether NVIDIA Tegra 2 is better OR Samsung Mali-400 GPU?
As much information you can provide would be very helpful.
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I was wondering this today too. In all probability the iPhone 5 will be running the same CPU/GPU as the iPad 2, which will probably be the dual core A5 chip with a PowerVR SGX543 (perhaps in dual configuration). Last year the Samsung used the same chip as the iPhone 4 but a PowerVR SGX540 instead of the iPhone 4's SGX535 so it was a bit more powerful.
This year it's a bit different since Samsung has decided to go with the ARM Mali (in some sort of multicore setup) which no one has any experience with really. Maybe apple has bought so much of samsung's chip that it left none for samsung themselves to actually use in their galaxy 2 lol.
Just my opinion.
Probably NVIDIA due to their expertise in the graphics sector.
From the preliminary data I've seen, Tegra 2 is a bit faster, significantly so with Flash vector rendering (though that's likely just because Flash hasn't been optimized for the Mali-400). It's looking like the Mali-400 is 10%-25% slower than Tegra 2, assuming the test data I've seen is based on a dual-core Mali-400 setup, which I'm reasonably certain it is.
There was even a blog where they ran a Quadrant and FPS test on LG Optimux 2x, Motorola Atrix and Samsung Galaxy S 2 - The overall winner was LG as its bearing the Tegra 2 along with Gingerbread; whereas Motorola Atrix is Tegra 2 with Froyo.
Source:
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/samsungs-galaxy-s-ii-preliminary-performance-mali400-benchmarked
Confirmed: Tegra 2-equipped Samsung Galaxy S II is coming http://engt.co/gEVbgv
Wow... that's interesting. It's kind of a bummer knowing that the iPad2/iPhone5 hardware will be better than the Tegra2 phone/tablets...
Edit: Also just saw this on Engadget - http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/imagination-technologies-powervr-sgx543mp2-really-is-faster-be/
With the SGX543 being 4x faster than the Nexus's SGX540, and the SGX540 being on par with Tegra 2's GeForce ULV GPU, all these Tegra 2 devices will be getting outdated quite fast =\
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Confirmed: Tegra 2-equipped Samsung Galaxy S II is coming http://engt.co/gEVbgv
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dinan said:
Wow... that's interesting. It's kind of a bummer knowing that the iPad2/iPhone5 hardware will be better than the Tegra2 phone/tablets...
Edit: Also just saw this on Engadget - http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/imagination-technologies-powervr-sgx543mp2-really-is-faster-be/
With the SGX543 being 4x faster than the Nexus's SGX540, and the SGX540 being on par with Tegra 2's GeForce ULV GPU, all these Tegra 2 devices will be getting outdated quite fast =\
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That just killed my enthusiasm for Galaxy S 2
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That just killed my enthusiasm for Galaxy S 2
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Actually a Tegra 2 Galaxy S II pretty much has piqued my enthusiasm for it. I know in raw numbers a Quad Core Mali 400 looks to run circles around a Tegra 2. But Tegra 2 is the reference platform for Android 3.0 (and possibly 2.4 which looks to combine the tablet and phone platforms). In all probability, Android will be optimized for Tegra II and Mali 400 might not outperform it at all. PLaying the same game on a HTC Desire HD with the ADreno 205 and a Galaxy S with the PowerVR SGX 540 shows no discernable difference at all. So the extra horsepower is pretty much not utilized unless the app is optimized for it.
Really... what games specifically? I've tried games on my MT4G and my Vibrant/Nexus S and they ALWAYS ran smoother and faster on the hummingbird. Jet car stunts, asphault 5, dungeon defenders, reckless racing, etc... and in all graphics benchmarks adreno 205 loses to the SGX540.
BTW: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/samsungs-exynos-4210-flexes-3d-gaming-muscle-at-gdc-2011-video/
Looks like samsung's chip might actually be quite capable.
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Actually a Tegra 2 Galaxy S II pretty much has piqued my enthusiasm for it. I know in raw numbers a Quad Core Mali 400 looks to run circles around a Tegra 2. But Tegra 2 is the reference platform for Android 3.0 (and possibly 2.4 which looks to combine the tablet and phone platforms). In all probability, Android will be optimized for Tegra II and Mali 400 might not outperform it at all. PLaying the same game on a HTC Desire HD with the ADreno 205 and a Galaxy S with the PowerVR SGX 540 shows no discernable difference at all. So the extra horsepower is pretty much not utilized unless the app is optimized for it.
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dinan said:
Really... what games specifically? I've tried games on my MT4G and my Vibrant/Nexus S and they ALWAYS ran smoother and faster on the hummingbird. Jet car stunts, asphault 5, dungeon defenders, reckless racing, etc... and in all graphics benchmarks adreno 205 loses to the SGX540.
BTW: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/samsungs-exynos-4210-flexes-3d-gaming-muscle-at-gdc-2011-video/
Looks like samsung's chip might actually be quite capable.
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Practically the same games. I found hardly any difference. Apart from Hero of Sparta and some scenes in Skies of Glory with many planes, they both are pretty much on par as to what i've seen. Of course the Hummingbird is faster overall that is not in doubt. I just meant the difference is not very "discernable"
Mali for the win
i was getting pretty bummed out mali 400 but them i saw the odroid-a benchmark numbers on gl-benchmark( the odroid-A has the exynos). Since glbenchmark is so dependent on resolution you can scale up the scores to see what it would be at ipad res.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Hardkernel+ODROID-A&benchmark=glpro20
Mali 400 trumps tegra 2 do a little research
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Next Nexus = Exynos version of SGS2 with sexy ID. Same as what they did with the SGS and NS. I would be happy with that.
Exynos much better than tegra.
tegra not optimaze for android....
exynos running like a Rambo !
and all benchmarks telling the same
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Exynos much better than tegra.
tegra not optimaze for android....
exynos running like a Rambo !
and all benchmarks telling the same
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CMON just compare on GLBenchmark and would be fine...
I do not believe what I see.... Mali400 more powerfull than Tegra2, and TWO times more powerfull???? YOURE KIDDING ME?
Amazing... Nvidia go awai noob...
......1 SEC MAN !
I like sgs2 ! but one think! we "CANT" say WHO is BETTER !!!!! until !!!...until real Gingerbread gonna come for G2X !!!!!!!!
Than we gonna SEE who is faster !
2.2 VS 2.3 ?
morfic kernels 1.5 Ghz on g2x (tegra2) killing by scores results galaxy s2 1.5ghz. But lets wait 2.3 after I will tell u tegra2 or exynos
BEST REGARDS !
yes, i agreed with you, i doesn't clearly fair enough to compete because sgs 2 using gingerbread and o2x still froyo....
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Actually a Tegra 2 Galaxy S II pretty much has piqued my enthusiasm for it. I know in raw numbers a Quad Core Mali 400 looks to run circles around a Tegra 2. But Tegra 2 is the reference platform for Android 3.0 (and possibly 2.4 which looks to combine the tablet and phone platforms). In all probability, Android will be optimized for Tegra II and Mali 400 might not outperform it at all. PLaying the same game on a HTC Desire HD with the ADreno 205 and a Galaxy S with the PowerVR SGX 540 shows no discernable difference at all. So the extra horsepower is pretty much not utilized unless the app is optimized for it.
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absolutely right m8
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yes, i agreed with you, i doesn't clearly fair enough to compete because sgs 2 using gingerbread and o2x still froyo....
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ive been following this thread for a while now and i have to put an end to all this bull**** you lot are saying.
2.3 is not like what 2.2 was to 2.1. 2.2 was a huge speed boost compared to 2.1 with the arrival of jit. but 2.3 is not a HUGE speed boost. I believe there are some improvements in 3d graphics but not that much.
the reason why you havent seem major graphics improvement on existing games on the mali 400 sgs2 is that the games arent OPTIMISED for it. Devs like gameloft havent got around to making games with super high detail to run on the sgs2's new hardware
Tegra 2 however is different. in games like dun def you can clearly see a distinct difference in graphics with tegra 2's version looking like the pc/console version of the game and the non-tegra version (THIS INCLUDES THE MALI 400) looking much worse but still great.
all you lot have been saying that the mali 400 is better because its faster. WRONG. Raw speed isn't everything, you need apps and games to use those resources properly.
so while the tegra 2 gpu is slower than the mali 400, it has far more content made for it. I dont see the mali 400 getting much dev love in the future since the only branded device ive seen using a mali gpu
Ill tell you lot what i tell my friends who thinks sgs2 is king. gaming wise the sgs2 is NOT a dual core beast (i know technically it is dual core). It just runs the single games with no extra eye candy, it just runs it really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really fast.
hope that helps you make up your mind
I've been looking at alot of material that suggests the Tegra 3 is weak compared to both the A5 as well as A5X,
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
this shows some benchmarks between the prime and the ipad 2
edit 23/05/12:
after much debate I finally got the One X and decided benchmarks are not at all accurate with the difference being in software, OS, hardware, etc. being hard to actually benchmark universal and accurately.
after playing shadowgun, riptide and running plenty of apps, watching the beautiful smooth graphics and tegra 3 technology; who's to say which phone is better or worse, all that matters is that the htc one x performs excellent! and I look forward to more tegra 3 optimized apps and games.
already a thread with lot of information in it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1544676
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I've been looking at alot of material that suggests the Tegra 3 is weak compared to both the A5 as well as A5X,
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
this shows some benchmarks between the prime and the ipad 2
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this was discussed till death on this thread
Discussing the performance of the Tegra 3 SoC
and on this thread
HTC One X and One S - HTC's New Hero Devices! Mega Information Thread
i dont see a need for a new thread....
http://www.tuaw.com/2012/03/16/ipad-a5x-cpu-vs-asus-transformer-prime-tegra-3-cpu-benchmarks/
this shows that the tegra 3 is seriously weak compared to the ipad 3,
This just out from Gizmodo
Transformer Prime VS New iPad
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This just out from Gizmodo
Transformer Prime VS New iPad
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At least we know that the A5x is not "4x better than" the Tegra chip.
Look more like 20% than 4x. How can they lie like that?
thats weird, because this video shows it is just over 3 x as powerful ???
http://www.tuaw.com/2012/03/16/ipad-a5x-cpu-vs-asus-transformer-prime-tegra-3-cpu-benchmarks/
this is a benchmark of fps between transformer prime vs ipad3 in the gpu arena? am i missing something here? not sure if the tuaw are using the old linpack test which is stated on gizmodo as not being accurate so they didnt carry that one out???
" (Note: We planned to use the age-old Linpack standard test to evaluate CPU performance, but the Linpack apps for iOS and Android are very different, and their results could not be accurately compared.) " gizmodo - http://gizmodo.com/5893970/ipad-test-notes-speed-versus-tegra-3
im not sure like i said above if tuaw are using the old linpack standard test which could be giving false readings and showing the benchmark for ipad to be just over 3x as powerful as the tegra 3 which might be false benchmark figures,
Ipad 3 -> all
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Look more like 20% than 4x. How can they lie like that?
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Paid by apple I would assume.
stupid test IMO
i can agree that the a5x gpu is faster than the T3 but the numbers shown at the gl benchmark is totally biased !!
you need to remember that ANY app that is on the app store goes throgh an apple tech guy and is being optimized to the device before its published.
this is not the case with android market where anyone can put whatever they want , and most of the games/apps are not optimized for a single device (btw that is why apple devices are so good the software is optimized with that device)
i am an android dude myself but i do appreciate apple devices , but from a technological POV if the transformer prime were to be optimized with its os, gpu drivers, and games/apps it will be better than the """new ipad"""
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i can agree that the a5x gpu is faster than the T3 but the numbers shown at the gl benchmark is totally biased !!
you need to remember that ANY app that is on the app store goes throgh an apple tech guy and is being optimized to the device before its published.
this is not the case with android market where anyone can put whatever they want , and most of the games/apps are not optimized for a single device (btw that is why apple devices are so good the software is optimized with that device)
i am an android dude myself but i do appreciate apple devices , but from a technological POV if the transformer prime were to be optimized with its os, gpu drivers, and games/apps it will be better than the """new ipad"""
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Bull****.
Apple goes through the apps and checks that they work like they should. Apple doesn't tweak or optimize the apps.
The fact is that iOS is better optimized for the hardware it runs on, and since Apple makes both, it's not shocking that their products runs better.
The latest tests shows that the A5X wins at graphical processing while the Tegra 3 wins in calcualtions and memory handling .. and lately they discovered the processing of the A5X and the retina display makes the new iPad get hotter than the iPad 2 by 10 degrees
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The fact is that iOS is better optimized for the hardware it runs on, and since Apple makes both, it's not shocking that their products runs better.
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I thought Samsung made the hardware, well at least the processor?
ZDNet compared iPad3 and Transformer Prime
ZDNet is quite inconclusive, comparing two games, namely Shadowgun and riptide, in a Tegra3 and an A5X device. While the iPad3 has a little crispier colors and text display (thanks to its Retina display), the Prime displays some special graphics effects not to be seen on the iPad3 (yet). So in the end it depends on the other hardware components and the software optimization I guess..
Tegra needs to out do apple
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Tegra needs to out do apple
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Everyone needs something, doesn't mean they'll get it. Though I am on a G2x and believe the Tegra 2 out does the 4s, that iPad is powerful, if only we could slap android on that hoe.
And to people saying that iOS is better optimized for the hardware, you don't think companies just slap Android on these phones right? Some phones seem like it though which is what gives android a bad name for some. But then some custom ROMs come around and can fix a whole wave of problems for phones (especially my G2x).
Sadly though, I don't think NVidia will ever release Tegra 2 drivers for ICS G2x.
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Bull****.
Apple goes through the apps and checks that they work like they should. Apple doesn't tweak or optimize the apps.
The fact is that iOS is better optimized for the hardware it runs on, and since Apple makes both, it's not shocking that their products runs better.
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They won't release apps that have accurate benchmarks though and will show that their products aren't so revolutionary. I mean seriously, I like apple, but hate their "Somebody did it first but since we did it months later it's revolutionary," mindset.
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lol wow....
Apple like to lie for customer
I finally have enough money to buy a new dual-core droid and I have a few units on my list. I already made some research on other aspects and I'm left with just another question: What is the best GPU in today's dual-cores?
Please take note that I'm not interested in quad-cores simply because I can't afford them! And I'm not into tablets too. Please limit the answers based on dual-cores only.
The GPUs I'm comparing are the ff:
-MALI-400
-Adreno 220
-PowerVR SGX540
As I said, I already did some research but the threads I saw are all outdated. Also, we have a lot of phones that came out last year having the above mentioned GPUs so I'm guessing we have more accurate info now.
I need help. I'm not a rich guy, I'll be buying a phone with my savings and I really want to be satisfied with the device I'll be getting 'cause I'll probably be stuck with it for the next 3 to 4 years.
Your help will be really appreciated!
*Again just a reminder, I'm only interested in the GPU performance. Nothing else.
a galaxy s2 gt-i9100 its very fast it has a 1.2ghz processor Samsung exynos dual core 1 gigabyte of ram
no doubt, the powerVR SGX540, with the Adreno coming second (not a close second however lol, a far one).
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no doubt, the powerVR SGX540, with the Adreno coming second (not a close second however lol, a far one).
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no!!
I say the Mali is first
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See. That's why I was getting confused. In dual-cores, some say the MALI is the best, some say it's the Adreno 220, and some claims it's the PowerVR SGX540.
Is there any way to determine the best overall? I know they have strenghts and weaknesses but what I want is the overall best. If you can provide facts or links to support your claims that would really be appreciated.
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a galaxy s2 gt-i9100 its very fast it has a 1.2ghz processor Samsung exynos dual core 1 gigabyte of ram
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I know it's fast. It's bigger brother, the Note, is actually on my list. But what I'm interested in is the GPU. How does MALI-400 stack up against Adreno 220 and PowerVR SGX540.
Thanks for taking time to reply though
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I know it's fast. It's bigger brother, the Note, is actually on my list. But what I'm interested in is the GPU. How does MALI-400 stack up against Adreno 220 and PowerVR SGX540.
Thanks for taking time to reply though
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They did some benchmark tests and the Mali destroyed the competition. I think it was on anandtech. sorry no links but Google is ur friend
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They did some benchmark tests and the Mali destroyed the competition. I think it was on anandtech. sorry no links but Google is ur friend
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Yeah,I saw this benchmark too. Definitely, Mali is the best
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There's been a lot of discussion about it on this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050968
Google is your friend but to save you time its the mali. The following article details the benchmarks for each gpu what surprised me is my phones chip can play 1080p 3D video yet the mali beat it :what:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
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Google is your friend but to save you time its the mali. The following article details the benchmarks for each gpu what surprised me is my phones chip can play 1080p 3D video yet the mali beat it :what:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for the link, but I actually came across it while I was doing my research. I got some points from it but not what entirely what I was looking for.
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There's been a lot of discussion about it on this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050968
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I also saw this one, which actually made me more confused! lol Got a lot of points from here though.
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They did some benchmark tests and the Mali destroyed the competition. I think it was on anandtech. sorry no links but Google is ur friend
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Actually, google is my best friend. I already tried googling for what I was looking for but I can't find the exact answer. I'm getting mixed reviews.
Thank you guys for sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it. I guess what I'm looking for is real life performance. Of course a MALI-400 on a 800x480 screen have a performance advantage over a qHD/720p screen Adreno 220/PowerVR SGX540 though you might have to sacrifice image quality.
Soooooo I came to this conclusion: All the these GPUs are good enough for running almost every, if not all, apps on the Play Store. I was actually contemplating on whether to buy a Samsung Galaxy Note (5.3"), Xperia S, LG Nitro HD, and Samsung Galaxy Nexus.
These phones are all dual-cores with HD screens which I consider a must for my multimedia needs/wants. I ruled out the Galaxy Nexus first because of it's 5MP camera and non-expandable capacity. Next I ruled out the Nitro HD. It's a good phone but the around 3hours of talk time is a big no-no for me (I make a lot of calls). So I got down to the Note and Xperia S.
I now choose the Xperia S! Hooray! Reason: I believe the 1.5GHZ dual-core, 1GB RAM, Adreno 220, will be good enough to run almost everything smoothly for the next one or two years. Bonus: I get a 32GB internal storage, digicam quality 12MP shooter with excellent 720p/1080p vids, marvelous HD screen (though the SuperAMOLED is luring me towards the Note), and Sony's reputation of giving out updates even to their old devices (the x10 came from Donut land and got as far as Gingerbread country).
So there it is. I'll just probably save up again once there are Apps that my Xperia S can't run! Thanks for the help again.
Hey guys was hoping you could help me out since I am a big newbie when it comes to the mobile world
I am looking to buy a new phone, and one of the phones I've choosen to buy has adreno 225, 1.5ghz krait and 720p 4.7" screen (its the pantech (or SKY) a830l ).
Was hoping you guys could help me and let me know which games and/or apps (if any) I wont be able to run because of gpu bottle-neck on this resolution, and how future proof the adreno 225 will prove to be..
additionally, my alternative choice is htc One X
One X is almost twice the price of the pantechm , so I want to know whether its really worth it in terms of cpu and gpu power (ignoring the better screen for a bit).
Also, I've noticed that many 'very' powerful cell phones have mali400 (including galaxy note (1) and SIII). I've heard people say that adreno 225 is better than mali400 AND that SIII outperforms in games cell phones with much more powerful graphics card. So now im really confused. Am I missing something?
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Hey guys was hoping you could help me out since I am a big newbie when it comes to the mobile world
I am looking to buy a new phone, and one of the phones I've choosen to buy has adreno 225, 1.5ghz krait and 720p 4.7" screen (its the pantech (or SKY) a830l ).
Was hoping you guys could help me and let me know which games and/or apps (if any) I wont be able to run because of gpu bottle-neck on this resolution, and how future proof the adreno 225 will prove to be..
additionally, my alternative choice is htc One X
One X is almost twice the price of the pantechm , so I want to know whether its really worth it in terms of cpu and gpu power (ignoring the better screen for a bit).
Also, I've noticed that many 'very' powerful cell phones have mali400 (including galaxy nexus and SIII). I've heard people say that adreno 225 is better than mali400 AND that SIII outperforms in games cell phones with much more powerful graphics card. So now im really confused. Am I missing something?
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mali 400 easily outperforms adreno 225... that's why it is in galaxy s3
and it has capability upto 4 cores so it is better
more comparable to it would be adreno 320!
the "pantech" one is a good choice if pricing suits you! You'll be able to play many games but i assume 1.5 ghz krait is either dual/quad core!! If yes you are good to go!
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mali 400 easily outperforms adreno 225... that's why it is in galaxy s3
and it has capability upto 4 cores so it is better
more comparable to it would be adreno 320!
the "pantech" one is a good choice if pricing suits you! You'll be able to play many games but i assume 1.5 ghz krait is either dual/quad core!! If yes you are good to go!
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thanks for the reply, really appreciate the clarification.
Ive seen a couple of benchmarks but benchmarks are just benchmarks. Based on current games an apps, how many games and apps are there that wont be able to run because of the gpu? and can you give me some examples? hope I'm not asking too much :angel:
the pantech 830 is Super IPS LCD 720p (4.8"), krait dual core 1.5ghz and adreno 225
Samsung galaxy Note (N7000) is Super Amoled 720p (5.3"), cortex A-9, mali400, about 25% more expensive than the pantech
HTC One X is about twice the price of the pantech (and I really doubt I need the quad core)
death_relic0 said:
thanks for the reply, really appreciate the clarification.
Ive seen a couple of benchmarks but benchmarks are just benchmarks. Based on current games an apps, how many games and apps are there that wont be able to run because of the gpu? and can you give me some examples? hope I'm not asking too much :angel:
the pantech 830 is Super IPS LCD 720p (4.8"), krait dual core 1.5ghz and adreno 225
Samsung galaxy Note (N7000) is Super Amoled 720p (5.3"), cortex A-9, mali400, about 25% more expensive than the pantech
HTC One X is about twice the price of the pantech (and I really doubt I need the quad core)
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Well the pantech phone will run almost all games.. Games which have state of the art graphics like nova3,wild blood and latest nfs, asphalt releases might be a problem.. But those can also be made working by rooting and enabling hardware acceleration
Note and one x will run all games but i understand they are costly
Then again it comes to u, how much u want to pay!
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Well the pantech phone will run almost all games.. Games which have state of the art graphics like nova3,wild blood and latest nfs, asphalt releases might be a problem.. But those can also be made working by rooting and enabling hardware acceleration
Note and one x will run all games but i understand they are costly
Then again it comes to u, how much u want to pay!
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thanks for the reply..Im willing to spend more but I just dont want spend money on hardware which I wont be utilizing. Id like to game on my mobile, but not dying do and dont mind if a few games dont work. Prefer gaming on my PC in any case.
Just want to confirm that all apps would work and I could run 720p videos on the pantech smoothly.