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Viewsonic at Sears outlet?

Has anyone bought one from their outlet center? Apparently they are customer returns. My question is, are they open box or refurbs?

Breakthecycle2 said:
Has anyone bought one from their outlet center? Apparently they are customer returns. My question is, are they open box or refurbs?
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Yes, people have bought them. And I think they are mostly just returned items. Probably all are good, just people hated the way they work out of the box.

Everytime I see one on the outlet website they are only available for store pickup. Has anyone gotten sears to ship them a "reconditioned" one?
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I have an Outlet device - they are customer returns. As such, they could have scuffs and scratches depending on how the inital owner treated them.
I believe that these are "Closeouts" that you would see in the Clearance area in their Electronics section. As such, you have to pick it up in the store that you bought it from.
I bought mine online, got an email an hour later that it was ready for pickup, and then drove over to get it at Merchandise pickup. Mine was a first run, the previous owner had taken off the screen protector, but it was in good cosmetic shape. The previous owner actually had Androot on it, as well as Launcher Pro!

I've ordered one at sears.com and I haven't got a time to pick it up yet.
What do you mean it's returned items?
I wasn't able to see anything about returned item on the web site.
Please point it for me.
TIA.

Unlike roebeet, I had a pretty horrible experiences with the sears outlet. I to make about 10 phone calls to different departments and different stores. I waited for a week because they kept telling me the item will be "ready" in couple days. They all give me the run around. Even when I confronted them that me calling someone else will not help because I called that number already, they kept repeating what they just said untill I hung up. Half the time they could not find my order even after I gave them my order id, sale check number, my name, address, and phone number.
I kept calling the sears outlet customer service till I got someone useful that actually wanted to help me. I found out the reason that half the the people could not find my order was because they never check the "sears outlet" box when they searched with my order id. Because the last guy who helped said he had no trouble finding my order. He actually called the sears store that i was suppose to pick up the item from for me.
He got hung up twice by the sears store then came back to me and told me he will try again because he wants to get to the bottom of this. It took him 5 more calls to actually get to the manager of the sears store. This took him about hour and half. In the end he found out my order been canceled but nothing was updated and my credit card was still charged. I got my refund back but wasted a lot of time.
I guess the moral of the story is if you do not get a email in one day when the store are open. You should cancel your order to save yourself the trouble. If the sears outlet customer service cannot find your order by the order id ask them if they have sears outlet checked. Because there should be no reason for them to have to ask you sale check number, your name, address, and phone number to find your order.

Do the Android said:
I've ordered one at sears.com and I haven't got a time to pick it up yet.
What do you mean it's returned items?
I wasn't able to see anything about returned item on the web site.
Please point it for me.
TIA.
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sears.com (or a regular Sears store) is not a Sears Outlet store which is being discussed here.

Absolutely check your local store in their electronic clearance area....
All returns will go to the floor at a reduced price if it's just a return.
If the item has a problem, it might end up at the Outlet center.
I bought 2... 1 brand new at the black friday price and 1 returned.
Sammie

samielowe said:
Absolutely check your local store in their electronic clearance area....
All returns will go to the floor at a reduced price if it's just a return.
If the item has a problem, it might end up at the Outlet center.
I bought 2... 1 brand new at the black friday price and 1 returned.
Sammie
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When you say black friday price do you mean $379.99? The price on the sears outlet is $279.99. Because I would not buy this product unless its under $300.

This is actually interesting. I work for Sears and I'm in charge of processing high value returns between electronics/hardware. Our Sears Outlet site is simply a database of our 991 items ( clearence ). All sears outlet does is show you what stores in your area have that item at a discounted price, but it does also show what we have in our actual outlet stores as well. The only reason electronics get marked down is because they are last years models, or because they were returned/have physical damage/missing something.
One thing I can tell you for certain is that they are not refurbished. We do not refurbish computers ( or any device that stores personal information ) on a store level ( regular full line store, not a physical outlet center ). If the box has been opened and the customer has used it, it's not to be sold in stores, and frankly, even if it hasn't been opened, it's not to be sold either. It's supposed to be sent to a return center to be properly processed - and no, it will never come back to the store.
I mean, correct me if I'm mistaken but you guys have picked up these tablets at a discount at a regular store? They would absolutely not go back on the salesfloor at my store.
I'm not trying to spill secrets here, but it's a heads up for you guys. Frankly I'd love to know what stores are doing it, if I'm following this correctly. This is not only wrong for the previous owners but wrong for the second buyers. Which is why it's against policy. And like Roebeet said - how those programs were left on it - means it was blatantly processed incorrectly. This actually bothers me quite a bit...

I ordered a second gtab from Sears outlet @ 279. Picked it up at the Scranton pa store still I'm the shrink wrap. Looked unopened to me and not a fingerprint to be seen. The lady said it came from a pile in the back...? So I'm pretty sure I got a brand new gtab for 279.

This thread has probably ruined our chances of ever getting another G-tab for $279.

phfaty said:
This thread has probably ruined our chances of ever getting another G-tab for $279.
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Wait until after 12/25....

Just last night I found them online in the "Outlet". I was going to place order but I fell asleep studying. This morning, I wake up to place the order and...they are no longer showing up on the outlet website! Like at all! Do disappointed. I guess now I am stuck with the 101 as it was in my price range, but 2.2 runs like crap on it, so I read, and it will probably never see 2.3 or 3.0.

I hope searsoutlet is only sold out of them. I have been looking on the site everyday for about a week and nothing...
Anybody else know where to get them for this cheap?

localfinesse said:
I hope searsoutlet is only sold out of them. I have been looking on the site everyday for about a week and nothing...
Anybody else know where to get them for this cheap?
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They put them on the outlet site every morning (if available).....check often and purchase asap when you one near you...they gtab scooped up fast

phfaty said:
This thread has probably ruined our chances of ever getting another G-tab for $279.
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Mods, quick, delete this thread!!

harpua1980 said:
They put them on the outlet site every morning (if available).....check often and purchase asap when you one near you...they gtab scooped up fast
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Thanks for the tip.

How reliable is Swappa.com?

Hey. I've been looking to sell a phone, and I've came across this site. How reliable is this site and are most sellers trustworthy?

bumpo

Swappa is really reliable. I haven't personally sold from it, but most of the sellers seem to be reliable and I've seen some who give their XDA usernames just in case the buyers have any questions.
Of course, there are some shoddy sellers, but that's a given with most sites.

fairly reliable....
most people use their facebooks or equiv. to log in so its rather easy to track. I've listed my previous devices there but to no luck. Its IMHO much easier to sell in forum MP's such as here or other android/computing/reddit forums.

stay away
i cant recommend it and will not buy another phone from it
bought a phone, it was delivered yesterday, seller who has a 7 day return policy, NFC feature doesnt work, and all she is doing is playing games, and hasnt sent me a return label yet
STAY WAY

for those of you who say buy from a seller with good history, i bought the phone from a seller who has 1500 sold listings, below is her reply regarding NFC not working:
"I just read about it. I'm not sure I see any good applications for it, but I'll send the label in the am"
am is over still no label from her and she did reply to my massage. amazing

Ive purchased from Swappa, and have had a good experience. As has been said before, make sure you are purchasing from a reliable seller. If you are making an international purchase, be sure to do your research on the customs laws in your location.
I purchased a Verizon LG G2 at a great price, knowing it works in international GSM markets and was not disappointed!

I just bought a note 3 through swappa. It is defective. Represented as Mint and like new.
Swappa is no help.
PayPal is probably going to be no help.
So it's a gamble.
I'd always buy NEW items and use my credit card on paypal if I ever do it again.
I'd rather use ebay, they at least do something on the buyer's behalf.
As it is I've got a phone that randomly boots about 10 times a day, and out hundreds of dollars.
Yeah, ebay is better for the buyer... and swappa charges the buyer for the privilege of getting shafted.
sent using mobile data only. no broadband in Rural America as was promised by both Presidents Bush & Obama.

I bought a RAZR HD Maxx (Unlocked BL) from swappa about 4 months ago and had a really great experience...the seller replied quickly to questions and shipped the device within a day or two. I cannot vouch for every seller on the site but FWIW I would use it again for sure.

Swappa is kind of hit or miss. There are lots of scams out there. It's actually pretty safe for the buyer as all you need to do is open a claim with paypal. If the buyer says the phone doesn't work but the seller says it does work paypal policy is to side with the buyer, pretty much no questions asked. The process takes time but you'll get your money back. Really not such a good deal for a seller, where you could sell a perfectly good device, the buyer tries to mod it, bricks the device then files a claim. The seller will be SOL with a broken device and no money.

BladeRunner said:
Swappa is kind of hit or miss. There are lots of scams out there. It's actually pretty safe for the buyer as all you need to do is open a claim with paypal. If the buyer says the phone doesn't work but the seller says it does work paypal policy is to side with the buyer, pretty much no questions asked. The process takes time but you'll get your money back. Really not such a good deal for a seller, where you could sell a perfectly good device, the buyer tries to mod it, bricks the device then files a claim. The seller will be SOL with a broken device and no money.
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Swappa is scamsite. I will never ever use it again. I was scammed by http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=3505755 He says that his identity been stolen and he didnt know that. Yeah sure. He was selling Nexus 6 but it is his current device somehow. Scum.

I don't know where to go but I recently bought a Samsung s5 paid 180$ but when I got it the phone was completely broken screen cracked to all hell and won't power on unlike the pictures submitted on swappa and I cant check the esn as it doesnt charge. Swappa told me to dispute it but seller insists he didn't send me that broken phone. Am I gonna be out all that money or what? Never had to dispute anything before

It's a definite risk. My first and only time trying to sell a phone resulted in the buyer getting a refund 3 or so weeks later. I believe he purchased the phone and swapped motherboard with a broken one and got a refund. Never again will I waste my time. I'll just let my phone die or give them away as it costs less.

???????

is this legit?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280966069824#ht_5499wt_1186

wiswis said:
is this legit?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280966069824#ht_5499wt_1186
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If it is, the devices were probably obtained through questionable methods.

it's odd that 54 have supposedly been sold, but the seller has 0 feedback.

yogi2010 said:
it's odd that 54 have supposedly been sold, but the seller has 0 feedback.
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ya. i sent the seler a message so im wating for him to respond

wiswis said:
ya. i sent the seler a message so im wating for him to respond
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ok, let us know. seems like possibly he just showed up with all these devices that he got somehow, and al the sales have occurred in the last day... so no time for feedback to even come in.

If a deal seems too good to be true....it most likely is.

eBay SUCKS!!!!
As an experienced eBay buyer and seller, I can assure you, it's a scam. No one lands 100 new phones, starts an ebay account and then tries to dump them all for next to nothing
And even if it's not a scam, eBay will shut down his account and force him to refund almost all of the buyers (if not every single one)
I have learned that if you somehow set off eBay's flagging they will shut you down, whether you're legit or not.
I bought some Klipsch Image S4 headphones from a seller and they were legit. Seller has 100% feedback and has sold about 40 of them so far. 2 weeks later his account gets shut down by eBay.
RANT START
Case in point, I tried selling some movies I bought in bulk and after a certain point (sold about 3) eBay was convinced I was selling bootleg copies, no matter what I told them. At first they told me my listings did not comply the guidelines and policies. To make matters worse, I was on the phone with them for hours, genuinely trying to figure out where I went wrong. Finally they sent me a notice of counterfeiting, and I was to cease listing my movies, or my account would be frozen. And my customers were still leaving me +++++ feedback as well!!!!!!! eBay told me that if I'm not an authorized seller such as [insert big box electronics store here], I can't possibly have such a big supply of movies and therefore they *MUST* be counterfeit. I guess even shrink wrapped DVDs with seals and all is not enough. I don't even think they would let me sell if I included a document of authenticity. Damn bastards. I do what I can to make ends meet and eBay is just out to screw me over.
Sorry all, RANT OVER

My eBay experience (techno.trading.house)

Hi everyone,
I want to share my journey with the Z3, and the experience with buying from eBay, specifically from a seller, techno.trading.house (Steph, Ed). I bought two brand new Z3 (D6603)--a black one for myself, and a white one for my girlfriend. The order was smooth, and the phones came in pretty much brand new (open box though) with their plastic peel-screens on the glass, untouched. After using the two for a few hours, I noticed that my black one had a defective sensor (photo). The seller advertised "hassle-free" exchanges/refunds, so I reported the defect and had the black one exchanged right away.
After a week, the new one came, the same brand new (open box) condition as the previous phones. However, there was a slight manufacturing defect with the USB flap--it closes completely at a slant (photo). I spelled out the issue with the seller, and here was how it went:
SELLER: I'm sorry to hear that! We will certainly replace it for you, I believe that your phone would be damaged underwater if that or any other flap was not closed properly. (I also do strongly suggest to avoid wetting the phone just in case). Please return the phone to...
ME (after 2 days delivered to them): Hi, have you receive the package yet, and have you ship out the new phone?
SELLER: Your return has been received. If you had chosen to receive a replacement, it will be sent within 2 days. If you have opted for a refund, it will be issued within 24 hours minus applicable restocking fee.
ME: Do you have tracking info? Thanks!
SELLER: Our records indicate that we have already sent a replacement. You have reached out to us to let us know that the replacement has the same issue. In order to avoid another occurrence, we recommend that we proceed with a refund for this item. Please let us know if this is okay.
ME: Sorry, I am not sure what you are saying. Are you talking about the previous replacement or the 2nd replacement being shipped out? I am currently waiting for the 2nd replacement. You said "sure" on the second replacement last week.
SELLER: We are talking about the previous replacement. We believe since both- the original phone and the replacement phone- has had the same issue, that a refund might be best. Let us know if this is ok.
ME: That is not correct. First phone had a defective camera. Second one had a manufacturer defect on the flap. You agreed for the second exchange, so I am not sure why you are backing out now? I need the phone as I have been using an old dumb phone for work for a week already.
SELLER: I'm very sorry for the confusion. I just read back through the emails and you are indeed correct. We will have your replacement unit shipped today. Here is your tracking number. Again, I am sorry for the confusion. Have a great day!
ME: Thanks. I just hope the new one does not have any defect--I will be checking it. If it's not shipped out yet, anyway you can inspect these? Thank you.
SELLER: Hello, Not a problem.
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So the 2nd replacement came (third phone), and the phone came in a used/open condition. There were no plastic peel-screens on either side of the glass and the USB wire was laying in there without its plastic wrappers. I knew immediately this was used, so I began close inspection of the phone. I found that the power button had a noticeable dent on one side, as if it was dropped on a table before. At this point, I don't know what to do with the phone. I have summoned the seller to see what they plan to do with this situation.
It appears that the seller recycles their returned phones and try to sell them as new, or whatever it is. I am extremely disappointed with this seller, and I want others to know so they may not fall into the same trap.
I checked the current feedback, and it appears someone had the same situation (photo). Go figure!

To me this sounds like a fair seller and a picky buyer. 832 positive reviews and 6 negative ones in a month is a ratio I would buy at if I wanted to save a hundred bucks by buying without factory warranty.

It could have been an honest mistake. I doubt he purposely gave you an opened one, just work with him to solve the problem. eBay is much harder on sellers than buyers and he would ruin his reputation if he did it on purpose. Looking at his rating I would say it was an honest mistake.
I understand if he wants to refund you, he is just trying to cut his losses. At the same time it was your misfortune to get a bad device/s. Since this phone is known for cosmetic/other issues as its in early production you are better of buying from Sony/carrier making replacement easier.

abhinav.tella said:
It could have been an honest mistake. I doubt he purposely gave you an opened one, just work with him to solve the problem. eBay is much harder on sellers than buyers and he would ruin his reputation if he did it on purpose. Looking at his rating I would say it was an honest mistake.
I understand if he wants to refund you, he is just trying to cut his losses. At the same time it was your misfortune to get a bad device/s. Since this phone is known for cosmetic/other issues as its in early production you are better of buying from Sony/carrier making replacement easier.
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remember me?
I'm sorry to hear that. It was really a frustrating moment you went through. If I were you I would probably be really angry.
If you want, just buy it from Sony store. I got mine and it's perfect so far (except some cosmetic minor faults).

I bought two phones directly from the same seller. The price was cheaper on their own site vs eBay or Amazon. Both phones are perfect. They came in non sealed boxes. I've got no complaints.

android404 said:
To me this sounds like a fair seller and a picky buyer. 832 positive reviews and 6 negative ones in a month is a ratio I would buy at if I wanted to save a hundred bucks by buying without factory warranty.
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I may be a picky buyer, but who wouldn't be when you receive a defective product, and even worse when you get a used one on your third one. Feedbacks mean jack when you are on the short end. They are only good for initial decision about the seller, hence I trust them like you would too.
abhinav.tella said:
It could have been an honest mistake. I doubt he purposely gave you an opened one, just work with him to solve the problem. eBay is much harder on sellers than buyers and he would ruin his reputation if he did it on purpose. Looking at his rating I would say it was an honest mistake.
I understand if he wants to refund you, he is just trying to cut his losses. At the same time it was your misfortune to get a bad device/s. Since this phone is known for cosmetic/other issues as its in early production you are better of buying from Sony/carrier making replacement easier.
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I hope you are right on the honest mistake.
bluesky2111 said:
remember me?
I'm sorry to hear that. It was really a frustrating moment you went through. If I were you I would probably be really angry.
If you want, just buy it from Sony store. I got mine and it's perfect so far (except some cosmetic minor faults).
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Yeah, I really regret not buying from Sony store, or even T-Mobile here. At this point, I might just say screw it, keep the phone, and move on with my life. Maybe the Z4 will entice me in few months. :good:

I purchased 3 different Z3 D6603 from Techno Trading, Never-MSRP, and Sony Direct all off ebay.
Techno Trading shipping a Central America version of the D6603 (White) to me and it had no seals whatsoever on the box (US Charger). This model would not show LTE indicator until I flashed a generic TFT. Booting with Encryption shows the Pin Entry text in Spanish but quickly changes to English. Seller Feedack: Shipped very quickly but using subpar shipping materials. Shipped from Miami.
Never-MSRP shipped a Central Europe version of the D6603 (Copper) to me and it HAD seals on the box but also included a Sony Screen Protector (Non-US Charger). This model had the LTE indicator from start. Booting with Encryption shows the Pin Entry text in English. Seller Feedback: Shipped same day and was packaged very well. Unfortunately, they are located in Houston so I had to pay tax.
Sony Direct shipped a Generic North American model of the D6603 (Green) to me. This one had seals on the box but didn't include the Screen Protector. LTE shows from start and includes a US Charger. Plastic on the front and back of phone is totally different than the other two. Its hard to describe but the other phones came with a very very thin plastic protector. This model shipped with much thicker protectors on front and back (still meant to be removed because they have tabs on the side). Additionally, the other two phones were inside a cellophane bag but the this model was not in cellophane. Shipped from Sony in Romeoville IL. Shipped within two hours of purchase using FedEx for free. Unfortunately, Sony charges tax everywhere. Packaged well but not great.
My point...
Sony packages models different based on their intended destination. It might not be that you ever got "open box" devices but rather they were intended for an area which Sony (for whatever reason) chose not to use seals.

mwep said:
My point...
Sony packages models different based on their intended destination. It might not be that you ever got "open box" devices but rather they were intended for an area which Sony (for whatever reason) chose not to use seals.
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That is interesting. Before buying from techno, I bought a white one from tropical_mobile (in which I sold quickly due to being D6653), who stated they were located in Tennessee, but shipped from Singapore. However, the phone was sealed with two white rounded "sealed" stickers on the box. The phone also was sealed in a clear plastic slip and had protective screens on both sides.
This whole Z3 deal has been pretty bad luck for me. Maybe it is not meant to be. But good news--the seller techno.trading.house got back to me, and is willing to refund me $20 for the dented power button, or do another replacement. I'm planning to take the refund, and live with it as I am sick of all the exchanges. Who knows, the replacement might have even weirder issues.

If you spend $500 plus on an item, you the buyer, have every right on this planet to be as picky as you like.
Nobody has to settle for anything less than perfection.
So no, you don't have to accept a defective camera, or flap or indeed a previously returned phone.
As I mentioned before but was lambasted in another thread, Sony may be using premium materials, but they are certainly not using premium construction. Not when some people have to go through six boxes in store to find a unit without light bleed and gaps.
I myself had two exchanges within the first two weeks. My first unit was simply not waterproof and had a leaky flap and my second one didn't charge on the magnetic dock and now I have light bleed but no energy to fight it anymore.
It's almost as bad as an iPhone. All my iPhone friends have had multiple exchanges... Some as many as 5 in a year.
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More recent feedbacks to prove my point.

stop accepting being called a picky buyer.... ur paying top dollar for the phone, that said u should receive a product good for the purpose, if the camera doesn't work its not good
if the phone isnt water proof it isnt good
if there is a dent in the design it should state it before being bought. so it's not the buyer nor seller (purposely) its a unlucky sale.

I purchased mine at t-mobile. I paid 100% upfront despite being with t-mobile and they unlock it on the spot. When I registered with Xperia Care (sonymobiles product registration) I entered my IMEI and it has till Oct 2016 on warranty.
However on the 2nd day of owning the device The bottom speaker stopped working and was making a static noise. I went to my t-mo store I purchased it and they swapped it out. I didn't even pay a restocking fee. The manager said as long as I get the same phone and since I bought it back so promptly that he would just swap a new one. This one has been perfect since. Sometimes the convenience of having a store near by is better than having to deal with shipping my phone back and forth!
Alot of people dont want the tmobile Bloatwear but like I said, 32 GB + Local customer support outweight > No bloatwear & 16 Gig with mail in issues. (since i have no sony store near by, id still have to mail in for repairs and exchanges)

Me too, I'm glad I bought it from TMO with an EIP, exchanged mine 3 times on my 4th now, no hassles or fees.

Stolen U12+

Guys long ago i opened a new thread for the display at my U12 + and I found out that the phone was already used, probably by another buyer or RMA. I buy that from ebay from the buyer "kimbimobile"
The seller has not only been smart and has sold me a used and not new phone, but on the insertion is written that also sends a Re Cam, of course he did not send it, only after very very much messages and open complaint.
After the opening of the complaint Ebay said to send it all back and of course the seller said he only received the accessories and no the phone, the re cam that does not work.2 of 2.
Ebay now has at 10 days for the checks, but I'm afraid that gives reason to him, clearly he is cheating me, he and not the courier or otherwise, he signed the package at the time of receipt, it was not damaged
Now do not know what to do, I often get almost € 1000 for the love of HTC, I thought about opening this thread to look for help, surely those who buy an HTC is a geek or programmer (like me), or who work in IT.
I thought to write here code code imei 353222090 and the last 6 number those who buy the U12+ 128Gb Blue Translucent from Ebay.Surely he will put his HTC online again
Thanks

Ebay give me reason and my money back, now i want publish the 2 imeis for future readers.
The name of the sealler on ebay is "kimbimobile"
1. 353222090629653
2. 353222090629661
Who have this phone, the phone is back from RMA with the LCD changed and after sold me like new phone, already the phone have others more problems, again with the display.

I've never had a problem with eBay and the sellers there. If I didn't receive an item eBay will help with a refund. If something was defective the seller will make good on the sale.
I hope I never ever come across a scammer on eBay.
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O/T but wow, I've been scammed on eBay several times that I can remember. Twice it involved substituting an older or lesser model for what was described -- these were cases where it wouldn't be obvious to the average person what was inside. (For example, a laptop with a slower processor.) It always seems to get resolved but the process can take ages. Be careful out there.