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Silicone case for flat back

Hi I am currently awaiting delivery for my DHD (and it could be a week or two).
I am wondering if anyone who owns a Silicone case - or something similar, and has found a case that allows for the phone to sit flat on a table surface to allow for one handed use. With the camera design set out from the main body I am hoping the case would come up to this level preventing rocking action.
Does the phone rock around on a table when used without a case or is it bearable?
I will then add a screen protector perhaps a Zagg product or similar.
Any ideas?
Cheers
Si

mine is currently cases-less, and does rock around when it on the table. however, placing a little phone sock under the phone is good at reducing the rocking, but i cant find one big enough to fit the phone in yet.
still looking for a good case, but it seems 3rd parties are being slow with this phone.

I'm needing a case or something like a bumper for my DHD.
I've had it 3 weeks and dropped it twice on to hard surfaces, got 2 small scratches and a small dent at the power button (since the button was flush with the case to start with, its actually made it a bit better!! LOL)
but my luck won't last too much longer so I need to protect it...
any ideas??
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I was thinking of using a phone sock to help keep it protected, the problem is having to slide the phone out every time i want to use it, id end up just leaving it somewhere. But keeping it steady with one is a good idea - but overall I'm looking for something more protective, good looking and will prevent the rocking.
I'm normally quite good with not dropping my phones, but a bumper or silicone case would be a must with a screen this size...don't really want to scratch or dent it (even if it has its upsides ;D ).
I'll keep looking, the annoying thing is that all the silicone ones I have found only have front or back on photos, not from the side...which is obviously important to check the level in relation to the camera area.
Cheers
Si

Was browsing through Google products and found this new one on Play, looks really cool not as dull and uninspired as the average silicone protector. I don't know again if it will help the issue with the raised camera, but I am still really interested.
play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/17123125/Exspect-HTC-Desire-HD-Tough-Silicone-Case-Black/Product.html?_$ja=tsid:11518|cc:|prd:17123125|cat:Mobile+#

I bought one of these and it does what it says on the tim. Protects the back and sides while offering unfettered access to the screen. It helps with the grip too, so I'm less likely to drop it (eek!)

Just so you know, the following case does have a slight wobble to it left and right when typing whilst on a flat surface. Not loads, but a wobble is there!
BLACK GEL PROTECTION CASE COVER SKIN FOR HTC DESIRE HD

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=824377
here what i found while looking for the case and ended up with a very good one

Has anyone tried this thing?
http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=203617

mnd_bg said:
Has anyone tried this thing?
http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=203617
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Yeah it looks good, nice to know its tougher than silicone, but unless it solves the rocking issue - I still prefer the one I found on Play...just because its cool looking.
but if you give it a go, let us know how well it performs and fits.

Well tbh I'm leaning toward the black one too but this TPU thing caught my attention and I was wondering if anyone has it

mnd_bg said:
Has anyone tried this thing?
http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=203617
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notice they have a cut out for the power button which was a issue on my first gel case

mnd_bg said:
Has anyone tried this thing?
http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=203617
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I don't think anyone should have it yet since HTC haven't released it.
I ordered it from handtec before but they say they will get it at the end of the month so I canceled mine.

combat goofwing said:
notice they have a cut out for the power button which was a issue on my first gel case
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It's not a cutout for the powerbutton.
It's for the 3.5 headphonejack.

emwdava said:
It's not a cutout for the powerbutton.
It's for the 3.5 headphonejack.
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think you will find it is for the power button the 3.5mm jack is on the bottom in the long oval cut out

combat goofwing said:
think you will find it is for the power button the 3.5mm jack is on the bottom in the long oval cut out
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To be honest, I don't think the picture shown is even the actual product. There is no hole for the speaker and the whole is definitely for the 3.5mm jack. (you can see the power button raised on the upper right corner). Since the case is not released yet, this is quite possible.

I've got this one too...
As CD993 says it does wobble, but only marginally... this is a TOUCH screen after all, you don't need to press very hard for it to respond!
The fact it's nearly £10 cheaper than the official HTC one (and yes, the image is wrong or else it's not going to have enough cutouts on the back!) is good enough for me!
cd993 said:
Just so you know, the following case does have a slight wobble to it left and right when typing whilst on a flat surface. Not loads, but a wobble is there!
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150506304658"]BLACK GEL PROTECTION CASE COVER SKIN FOR HTC DESIRE HD
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WTF is the matter with posting links btw? At what point does this 'privilege' begin?

Case mate release the Pop Case to DHD!

very competitive with otterbox, but with grat designing
https://www.case-mate.com/HTC-Desire-HD/Case-Mate-HTC-Desire-HD-Pop-Case.asp

Nice I need to order

Looks very nice indeed! Might have to get one too, to interchange with my Otterbox case.
Though ive got a slight worry that glossy black will scratch like a motherducker in no time.
If anyone gets one can you post some pictures and maybe a video too? Curious to see what that plastic is like. Cheers!

I was gonna go for a casemate tough, but I think I might wait for this, looks very nice.

Just pre-ordered one from here:
http://www.htcdirect.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_12_80&products_id=978
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the back looks great, but too chunky around the screen...

panyan said:
the back looks great, but too chunky around the screen...
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agree but there is no alternative better

I ordered mine two days ago. It should be here tomorrow. I'll post a review then.

bobbyphoenix said:
I ordered mine two days ago. It should be here tomorrow. I'll post a review then.
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Sounds great, be sure to take lots of pictures.

Results are in!
Got it on, and loving it! Extremely perfect fit. 100% top quality. It's all one piece, so getting it on is a bugger, but once it's on, you can't tell it's a case unless you know what the phone looks like without it. The light gray part is very soft, and very comfortable to hold. It does not add extra bulk when holding it, but just enough, so now it rest better in my palm. The glossy hard black part makes it look so sexy. Overall a great feeling case. The buttons are the easiest to push now. Even though they stick out ever so slightly they don't look out of place like the OtterBox commuter case. They have a dimple on the inside also which helps press the buttons on the phone, so you no longer need to press firmly, but just a gentle press works fine, but not so gentle that you would press it by mistake. The rubber around the screen is a great fit. It goes all the way to the glass, so you no longer have that aluminum edge there. All in all a great case. I highly recommend it.

bobbyphoenix said:
Got it on, and loving it! Extremely perfect fit. 100% top quality. It's all one piece, so getting it on is a bugger, but once it's on, you can't tell it's a case unless you know what the phone looks like without it. The light gray part is very soft, and very comfortable to hold. It does not add extra bulk when holding it, but just enough, so now it rest better in my palm. The glossy hard black part makes it look so sexy. Overall a great feeling case. The buttons are the easiest to push now. Even though they stick out ever so slightly they don't look out of place like the OtterBox commuter case. They have a dimple on the inside also which helps press the buttons on the phone, so you no longer need to press firmly, but just a gentle press works fine, but not so gentle that you would press it by mistake. The rubber around the screen is a great fit. It goes all the way to the glass, so you no longer have that aluminum edge there. All in all a great case. I highly recommend it.
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Does the edge of the camera lens protude from the case? Can't tell from the pictures.

PeatCoal said:
Does the edge of the camera lens protude from the case? Can't tell from the pictures.
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Nope. The lens is slightly inside the case. The entire phone lies perfectly flat. Actually the shinny black back doesn't even touch the surface when it's on its back, so that won't get scratched by sliding the phone on a table or anything. The soft gray side grips are slightly raised from the case, so the middle is actually off the ground (I tried taking a pic of that, but it just looks like it's sitting flush, so I didn't add those).

bobbyphoenix said:
Nope. The lens is slightly inside the case. The entire phone lies perfectly flat. Actually the shinny black back doesn't even touch the surface when it's on its back, so that won't get scratched by sliding the phone on a table or anything. The soft gray side grips are slightly raised from the case, so the middle is actually off the ground (I tried taking a pic of that, but it just looks like it's sitting flush, so I didn't add those).
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Thanks, that's really helpful. Still undecided between this and the case-mate tough though. Wonder if there's anyone who's tried both.

PeatCoal said:
Thanks, that's really helpful. Still undecided between this and the case-mate tough though. Wonder if there's anyone who's tried both.
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Well as luck would have it I have one of those on the way too. I'll do the same kind of review when that one comes in. Can you tell I love cases?

bobbyphoenix said:
Can you tell I love cases?
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..nope
I look forward to it

Nice review ordered mine too just now.
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So, the thing is a ***** to fit into initially.
Will it give way after a while so you can get it in and out easily, or is it some hard plastic that won't yield or wear down? Do you guys who own one see any way of modifying it for quicker removal?
I'd really like a case but I do not want to lose the ability to use my device for satnav, and I already have the Brodit cradle mounted....

psych0t1c said:
So, the thing is a ***** to fit into initially.
Will it give way after a while so you can get it in and out easily, or is it some hard plastic that won't yield or wear down? Do you guys who own one see any way of modifying it for quicker removal?
I'd really like a case but I do not want to lose the ability to use my device for satnav, and I already have the Brodit cradle mounted....
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The shinny black part is very hard plastic, and since the very soft gray part is fused to it, it is really really hard to get in and out. I almost feel like if I push any harder I'm going to break one or the other, but the soft part is just soft enough to get it in there. I don't see how it could get easier over time. It's one of those cases that once it's on, it's on for a long long time. Compared to the OtterBox Commuter case that one seems like it can fall off, and the Pop case seems like it was actually made into the phone, and not to come off without a struggle, but if I had to make a choice I would pick the Pop case 100% of the time. Again if you compare them side by side the OtterBox looks like it was made for a kid to play with, and the Case-Mate one that you buy tickets to see it in a museum. It is that good!

Thanks a lot for the quick reply mate. I was thinking that maybe one could cut or file down one of the plastic ridges that snap into place around the screen to hold the device.
I done that ages ago on a case for a XDA mini, and it worked quite nicely but obviously there is a thin line between making the in and out easier and making the case unusable by cutting in too far...
Again thanks for your input...
...this chunk of zeroes and ones has been generated by flashing a 400 Watt halogen bulb into the open fibres of a transcontinental communications cable...

Thank you for good products to introduce.

Replacement phone slider

My phone broke and I just received a replacement . I will skip the horror story with that process. Suffice to say I don't want to go through that again but the replacement phone has a real loss slide which opens too easily and won't stay open when in landscape and using the keyboard.
I live a an hour from a repair store and was wondering if this is an adjustment that can be made in the store...I don't want to have to get a replacement,

Put a protective case on it. Wont slide as easily. The black one sprint sells is good.

trsix said:
Put a protective case on it. Wont slide as easily. The black one sprint sells is good.
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That's actually a good idea . Because the alternative involves opening up the phone, and tightening down the tabs. Not a fun task . Also time consuming.

prboy1969 said:
That's actually a good idea . Because the alternative involves opening up the phone, and tightening down the tabs. Not a fun task . Also time consuming.
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I was wondering if it was possible to easily tighten the keyboard up, but I guess not. Slider's are the only phones I haven't taken apart and fixed, I'm too scared that I'm gonna ruin it and have two parts and no phone lol.. Still waiting on another case from Amazon, until then guess I'll have to hold it horizontal to use the keyboard.

Best Buy also has a clear acrylic case that I've been using that works really well. I like it more than other cases because the top part has a solid line "tab" all the way across instead of the two small ones on the corners so there's less of a chance that you break a tab off on an end and no longer have your front face.
I don't think theirs comes with a holster though. I'm still using the black holster i got from a previous case.

Change Side Bumpers

Since it appears that LG makes it pretty easy to teardown this phone it would be cool to change out the bumpers for smaller ones. lol... (I don't plan on dropping mine).
https://youtu.be/7N_mGT-P1ZA

Only thing I was on the fence about this phone was that T-Mobile only has black. (I know, I'm a stickler.)
Max's video really showed you how easy it is to teardown and replace with other colored parts later when available.
Actually I might keep the black and just go for the rose gold rails and camera ring from the white color.
As for slimmer rails I think if you use a dremel you could shave off a few mm possibly? Similar to what a few LG G Watch R users did to get rid of the cheap black paint.

Black and gold would have the most "premium" look. Now hopefully people will start breaking their new phones, so more replacement parts become available lol. Or, maybe the people that got review units will sell parts? Here's hoping.

I was actually thinking yesterday after seeing Max video to just change bars to gold.... And leave black... But not rose gold pure yellow gold... Sexy sexy... I saved an eBay search to find them
BeameD From My LG V10... The one with the ALWAYS ON SCREEN... Watching me.. ?

vipfreak said:
Since it appears that LG makes it pretty easy to teardown this phone it would be cool to change out the bumpers for smaller ones. lol... (I don't plan on dropping mine).
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I'm not sure that's 100% a good idea. For one, we already know the fingerprint sensor only works when you're contacting the side bumpers. Who knows what else might stop working if you disconnect or replace them? The antennas, maybe?
I wouldn't want to be the first to find out.

I am thinking of buying an extra set and plasti-dipping them:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Plasti-Di...03-6/202196703
I didn't know the bumpers had anything to to with the fingerprint sensor...

Telemachus said:
I am thinking of buying an extra set and plasti-dipping them:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Plasti-Di...03-6/202196703
I didn't know the bumpers had anything to to with the fingerprint sensor...
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It's capacitives, so people think you have to touch it and the scanner at the same time, but people have gotten it to work with cases. If you can find an extra set, let me know though.

Yeah, or I'll use CF Vinyl. (I do vinyl as a side hobby so I have lots of extra bits)

I have rose gold rails, and I'm already seeing silver poking through on the corners just from pocket wear (no case).
Very minor so far, but if it gets worse I'll be looking for stainless steel rails.

knifedroid said:
I have rose gold rails, and I'm already seeing silver poking through on the corners just from pocket wear (no case).
Very minor so far, but if it gets worse I'll be looking for stainless steel rails.
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That is very disappointing. Do you think you can take a picture of the wear?

Watching this. I definitely want gold rails and gold camera ring on my black device. ?
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Rydah805 said:
Watching this. I definitely want gold rails and gold camera ring on my black device.
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wasn't the black leather version available in your country.

ohmygaa said:
That is very disappointing. Do you think you can take a picture of the wear?
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Best I can do. As I said, it's very minor. It looks like a glint in the corner, but it is wear. No drops, identical on opposite corner. Like the earliest stage of holster wear on the slide of a carry pistol.

That's not too bad at all, but it would definitely be nerve wracking to have... Thanks for the update!

Telemachus said:
I am thinking of buying an extra set and plasti-dipping them:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Plasti-Di...03-6/202196703
I didn't know the bumpers had anything to to with the fingerprint sensor...
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I love this idea, bought GT-50 gun tape and it works great for a few days and starts to peal off.
Plasti Dip may be the answer.
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muddysmind said:
I love this idea, bought GT-50 gun tape and it works great for a few days and starts to peal off.
Plasti Dip may be the answer.
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Plasti dip is amazing.. Never thought to use it for the rails of the phone, that would be very cool. Best thing is, if you grow tired of the dip want to change color etc you can just make a small cut through the dip (most people use something like a standard screwdriver or a razor) and peels right off.
I might look into this, I'd love a dark blue on my bumpers to go with the black phone... Oooh...
I don't believe I will want to take down the phone to do it though. May look into doing so without it.
Matt

muddysmind said:
I love this idea, bought GT-50 gun tape and it works great for a few days and starts to peal off.
Plasti Dip may be the answer.
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No they dont my fingerprint reader works even without my hands on side

mreme6669 said:
Black and gold would have the most "premium" look. Now hopefully people will start breaking their new phones, so more replacement parts become available lol. Or, maybe the people that got review units will sell parts? Here's hoping.
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I bought the white intending to buy black back cover and simply aplying skinomi decals in black carbon fiber to the white parts in front. Actually the decals are on the way already. I have applied Di-Noc carbon wrap to the back of the clear Ringke cover because it was a finger print magnet. But the cover weighs down the phone too much for my liking on what is already a heavy phone compared to my feather light Note 3.
As for the Rose gold rails, I have clear wrap for cars left over. I cover them with that before the plating wears off or I scratch it. Man those things weigh down this phone. I have a cramp by the end of the day.

I would be cool if I could take them off, and still have a case. the side bards only make the phone wider. It seems it would be easier to hold without the metal bars, that are nothing more than cosmetic additions.

Yes they are big... But just a few screws holding them on. I could see the phone modding scene take off with custom bumpers. Flat ones would be a great first entry. Also a stylus bumper could be added to either side, with a thin styla style that clips on or slides in.

Closeup pics of the latest Dbrand Prism and Grip

Hi guys, I'm sure you've seen quite a few pictures of those accessories, so I thought I'd post here a few images from very close to some details so you can have a good idea of the finish, etc.
Also a small comparison with an official case (nylon one). I've ordered a skin for it, but it was on preorder and just started shipping today.
Sorry for the lint on some pictures, it does catch it ^^
As for my opinion (one more of those), well the case does feel real good in hand, the phone feels really safe in there. The buttons are real good (miles better than Rhinoshield bumper). Only thing is that the fingerprint scanner is deep and in a small window, so must get a little used to the feeling of really accurately put the finger in there. And is it grippy ? Is fine! a bit better than the official case but not by super much.
Prism is also good, easy to install. Biggest critic is how sharp the edges are (you can see on the pictures). If you don't use a case, you'll feel them and I'd be afraid to lift it by mistake, not sure how securely it sticks. The feeling is like glass, I was using the phone naked previously and no problem with that. Also, it does not affect the screen, I think ; some peops say it makes the screen cloudy, but I do not notice.
Worth the price ? Hmm those things are a rip off no matter what. But they are both good quality products, and the glass screen protector without a black border is a real step up ^^.
There you go!

Thanks for sharing! Would you recommend dropping $$$ on this combo?

silent_freak said:
Thanks for sharing! Would you recommend dropping $$$ on this combo?
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Well, all in all, it is near 60 USD.
The case is good I think, feels good and will protect the phone that's for sure, so if you don't have anything like that, it is a good buy. I also have an official OP cover and the main difference is that the Dbrand case has raised edges.
The glass, while it is good, is not as ground breaking as I imagined (Dbrand's marketing team is good ^^). The plus is that it feels like glass and does not have a black border, is as fingerprints resistant as the bare glass or the official screen protector. The bad is that the glass as you can see on the pictures is really only on the screen and has sharp corners, so you feel it when doing gestures, unless you use a case (because then your finger does not slide from the farther edge of the phone, if you see what I mean).
So out of the two, I would say the actually real good product is the case.

The case looks too bulky to me. I prefer the slimmer ones like the official protective sandstone or the karbon bumper, which are really well made. But I guess it depends on the environment you're working in (etc) which affects the danger your phoneis in, in which case, if it's a place you can easily damage it, this type of case can save you good money on repairs. The prism looks really durable from what I've seen online and I believe you get 2 in the box if I'm not mistaken, so if that's true, that's a big plus over rhinoshield's overpriced 1x black bordered piece of crap that covers at least 1mm of screen on each side, forcing you to just take it off minutes after installation and breaking it in anger.
Anyway, thanks for giving us a look at dbrand's new products. Was really looking forward to seeing someone talk about that.

dragos281993 said:
The case looks too bulky to me. I prefer the slimmer ones like the [...] Was really looking forward to seeing someone talk about that.
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I agree as well, it does add quite a bit of bulk.
I have all in all 3 cases. The simple one from OP (carbon one), their thicker nylon one and this one from dbrand. I don't really need a lot of protection (scratches protection is good enough) so it's mostly to change the look. I go naked as well with just a skin.
The result is that with that dbrand case you do feel very confident that the phone is safe.
Yes you do get two prism in the box, so that's actually quite a sweet deal because those are sturdy and nice to the touch really like glass without the border.
I have not been able to try with the simple case from OP, it's still in my boxes after moving house, but do not underestimate how annoying the edges of the prism are. They really really get in the way.
I think it's important to stress this because for example people were downplaying the terrible buttons of the Rhinoshield bumper for op5 and I got it and it was in actuality very bad.

kipue said:
I agree as well, it does add quite a bit of bulk.
I have all in all 3 cases. The simple one from OP (carbon one), their thicker nylon one and this one from dbrand. I don't really need a lot of protection (scratches protection is good enough) so it's mostly to change the look. I go naked as well with just a skin.
The result is that with that dbrand case you do feel very confident that the phone is safe.
Yes you do get two prism in the box, so that's actually quite a sweet deal because those are sturdy and nice to the touch really like glass without the border.
I have not been able to try with the simple case from OP, it's still in my boxes after moving house, but do not underestimate how annoying the edges of the prism are. They really really get in the way.
I think it's important to stress this because for example people were downplaying the terrible buttons of the Rhinoshield bumper for op5 and I got it and it was in actuality very bad.
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I dropped my OP6 from approximately 2.5meters from the locomotive's door and the phone miraculously survived with the karbon case having one nick in the top right side corner and surprisingly that disappeared after a few days. Very impressive quality. I was also very lucky, I guess, considering the height the phone fell from. THEN I got the bumper case from Rhinoshield along with the garbage black bordered glass. I broke the glass in half after basically donating money to them because that glass was not worth the price, but that was that. I put their bumper on my phone and left it there for a few days. ****ty buttons, poor quality material and slippery too, like a hard plastic you find in those kitchen accessories, but whatever, I liked the alert slider one. Then one day I got in my car and the phone fell from my pocket on concrete (or asphalt) and because it happened right at the edge of the road, one hard little rock managed to touch the edge of the screen at impact and cracked the screen on the middle right side with the crack starting from the bottom and ending in a "C" shape 2 or 3 centimeters above. So it's still ok but the start of the crack can be felt at touch so that's a bummer.
And in the end I could've given the money to the old lady beggar at the corner of the street instead of giving it to Rhinoshield for 2 absolutely rubbish products they made such a big fuss about.
Never again I'll buy from them. Dbrand's products seem a bit different though especially that prism. I might get one and put it on the screen to protect it from getting other cracks if I accidentally drop it, cause the crack is pretty small to make me replace the screen. I don't think it's worth it.

dragos281993 said:
I dropped my OP6 from approximately [...] . I might get one and put it on the screen to protect it from getting other cracks if I accidentally drop it, cause the crack is pretty small to make me replace the screen. I don't think it's worth it.
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Yeah, as usual those things are very often quite a leap of faith. We want to believe that the more expensive it is the better it will be but the truth is that it's probably the same or close to the same with a different packaging :angel:
But need a screen protector at least to maintain the resell value of the devices.
I'll say again, prism is a good one but not perfect (like none of them is).

Can you comment on the alert slider functionality with the case on? I can make it out slightly on one of the pictures and it looks like you can use it with ease?
I'm currently using a Poetic case, I need a solid case with my work conditions. The only issue is the damn alert slider is rendered unusable without a pen or something similar handy.

ahagersr said:
Can you comment on the alert slider functionality with the case on? I can make it out slightly on one of the pictures and it looks like you can use it with ease?
I'm currently using a Poetic case, I need a solid case with my work conditions. The only issue is the damn alert slider is rendered unusable without a pen or something similar handy.
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Hey,
The slider is quite easy to use yes.
You got to get a bit used to it cause its quite nestled in there so you have to make a little effort at first to put the finger the right way.
Same as with the fingerprint reader, a little bit of time to get used to it, because it's deeper so you can't approach it from whatever direction like you would naked or with a different case. It's still easy to use.
All in all out of their two products, I recommand the case with no problem. If you look for safety then for sure go for it.
Will make a few more pics to show you.

kipue said:
Hey,
The slider is quite easy to use yes.
You got to get a bit used to it cause its quite nestled in the so you have to make a little effort at first to put the finger the right way.
Same as with the fingerprint reader, a little bit of time to get used to it, because it's deeper so you can't approach it from whatever direction like you would naked or with a different case. It's still easy to use.
All in all out if their two products, I recommand the case with no problem. If you look for safety then for sure go for it.
Will make a few more pics to show you.
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Thank you very much for your time!

ahagersr said:
Thank you very much for your time!
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Sure, no problem.
So here are a few more. The last one is to show how the phone screen does not touch a flat surface when it is put face down. It's blurry but you'll get the idea.
Also some lint, not fighting that anymore