Anyone still on 2.1 is officially obsolete. Google has released a ton of new features for froyo and gingerbread users. Including google instant, new gmail app, and other things.
Which leaves 2.1 users with old software never to be upgraded again.
I still haven't flashed (due to warranty issues) but even if I did I would be upset because it still is based on buggy pre-release software.
Based on the epic 4g leak the froyo should be version 2.2.1 so new roms would be 2.2.1 instead of buggy 2.2
Why doesn't samsung care about their customers!
Yea, I share your sentiments. I tried most of the 2.2 leak ROMs, but most had troubles. The list of apps that don't work on 2.1 and below is growing. I wonder if Google Maps 5 will be the same way.
I really thinking about just buying an unlocked nexus s but then i realize its still samsung!!!
I returned a samsung tv i bought for my family for christmas because they suck so much ;D
The more I read about this (and the GPS malfunction), the more I think that when my Captivate arrives tomorrow I may just take it into an AT$T store and demand a refund and contract cancellation.
What we need is a Samsung Customer Service number we can start calling to voice our opinions. Any have a good Samsung number for this or a similar purpose?
Yes more than half of android devices are "obsolete"...
Return it? Because your too lazy to flash your phone with functional software instead of the junk Samsung and att gave us? I've been rocking the beta cm 6.1 for quite awhile and blows the doors off any 2.1 variant that was out there.....and as far as voiding your warranty its almost impossible to brick these phones so its completely easy to flash back to an out of the box state. So quit whining. This is what makes android so great. Take a phone with amazing hardware with crappy software and put amazing software on it
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For one, I'm not lazy or whining. I shouldn't have to flash my phone to get basic functionality out of it. The GPS should work without my having to invest in searching through a myriad of unauthorized solutions and risk not only voiding my warranty, but bricking my phone. If I wanted to put this much effort into making a phone work I would have stuck with WinMo 6.5 and my Tilt 2, which I know inside and out already. I moved to Android hoping I'd no longer have to spend so much time dicking around with my phone just to get things to work. You know, the whole "Droid Does" marketing ploy? The main reason I agreed to buy this phone was because I read on several different sites where Samsung said they were definitely going to update it to Froyo. I understand that their timetable may be off, but they should at least keep their promise. Is that too much to ask or expect?
Samsung promised Froyo by the end of the year for the US Market. They still have a 20 days. Their stance has not changed, so I don't see what anyone has to complain about.
As for GPS mine works as good as the one on my Bravo - my Tracks, Turn by Turn are the same. If your GPS has problems, take it back. If you try multiple phones and still have a problem, then make them switch you to another phone.
everyone knows they won't make the end of december date
It's not that I don't want to try custom ROMs. However, all the custom ROMs are built on leaked (and often buggy) Froyo ROMs. The sooner AT&T releases an official release Froyo ROM, the sooner we can get a stable (or more stable) custom Froyo ROM....hopefully they release the source code too. There's code in the custom ROMs that comes from all sorts of other ROMs lol
Ditto^^^ Well, according to Mr. Smalls, we're just lazy, whiny jerks with no valid excuse for not wanting to use a custom ROM on our phones.
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It's not that I don't want to try custom ROMs. However, all the custom ROMs are built on leaked (and often buggy) Froyo ROMs. The sooner AT&T releases an official release Froyo ROM, the sooner we can get a stable (or more stable) custom Froyo ROM....hopefully they release the source code too. There's code in the custom ROMs that comes from all sorts of other ROMs lol
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try axura.. VERY stable, fast, practical rom with good themes. its a work of art. been rocking it with very minimal issue (less issues compared to stock).
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For one, I'm not lazy or whining. I shouldn't have to flash my phone to get basic functionality out of it. The GPS should work without my having to invest in searching through a myriad of unauthorized solutions and risk not only voiding my warranty, but bricking my phone. If I wanted to put this much effort into making a phone work I would have stuck with WinMo 6.5 and my Tilt 2, which I know inside and out already. I moved to Android hoping I'd no longer have to spend so much time dicking around with my phone just to get things to work. You know, the whole "Droid Does" marketing ploy? The main reason I agreed to buy this phone was because I read on several different sites where Samsung said they were definitely going to update it to Froyo. I understand that their timetable may be off, but they should at least keep their promise. Is that too much to ask or expect?
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Am I correct that you don't even have your device as you're typing that?! Try it first..a lot of the stuff you read isn't what you will experience. I.E.: my gps has worked a charm since I picked mine up in mid October..it's an excellent device. I've had a Samsung DLP for more than 2 years and it works flawlessly. People like to rant..find out for yourself for chrissake. It's nice to be happy with a cell device for the first time in awhile for me..only complaint is att dragging heels on 2.2. I'm too busy and old (55) to have the energy to do all that stuff that many do..but it's also nice to know that if I get tired of waiting and get a wild hair, I'll root and flash when I'm good and ready. Meantime I think the Captivate is a great companion
From what I've heard, I think that it might be the carriers that are delaying the update. Don't know if this is true or not but I kinda doubt this is Samsung's fault.
@fldude, Thanks for the encouragement. I used to love fiddling with my WinMo phones and I enjoyed modding my Tilt 2 to where it runs great and does (almost) all I ask of it. I'd still be using it if WinMo wasn't a dead platform and the thing wasn't so laggy. That saidI was hoping the switch to Android would mean I finallly would have a phone that I could tinker with if I wanted to, but didn't HAVE to, like WinMo. I guess reading through these forums exposes one mostly to the negative since most people only post when having problems. I brushed most of it aside, but the GPS issue really stood out because I use GPS-enabled apps a lot and it works so well on my Tilt 2. I can't wait for the Cap to get here tomorrow so I can start playing with it. Thanks to running XDAndroid on my Tilt 2 I already have some idea of what to expect and how to use it.
I will say this, reading about rooting and flashing of Android, kernel this and apk that is a lot more intimidating than working with WinMo. I never hesitated to edit my registry, but modding Android sounds pretty scary.
By the way, does fl mean you're a fellow H-D rider?
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Samsung promised Froyo by the end of the year for the US Market. They still have a 20 days. Their stance has not changed, so I don't see what anyone has to complain about.
As for GPS mine works as good as the one on my Bravo - my Tracks, Turn by Turn are the same. If your GPS has problems, take it back. If you try multiple phones and still have a problem, then make them switch you to another phone.
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They were previously quoted saying by the end of November. There was that whole JH7 fiasco. And your argument doesn't change what he was saying. His whole point was that he shouldn't have to **** around to make it work. It just should.
david717;971 His whole point was that he shouldn't have to **** around to make it work. It just should.[/QUOTE said:
Ummm, I'm stock, never rooted, make phone calls, email, navigate with gps, surf the web, play games, usw.. How is this not a working phone? By my calculations this phone does "just work" and has since I pulled it out of its box in July.
I too am waiting for, now, v2.2.1...
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Before I bought mine I knee of the GPS issues and swwvthat a fix was coming. It still is. Besides the GPS my phone just works. Texting browsing g music video all just worked email too. Running the froyo leak my phone now completely 100% percent works. I'm excited to see how much more stable the official release will be.
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I have been following the forums regarding the so called Froyo release and I have to say that I am rather frustrated as well. I actually called AT&T last week to complain about the delay with Froyo with Gingerbread's release within a few weeks. Not to mention Honeycomb on the horizon.
In speaking with one of the techs he also shared his frustrations and was hoping that it would be released in early January. I told him that it was understood that it would be release at the end of the year and he confirmed that same understanding. However his sources revealed that it is now for early January. Let's hope this is true, but as you all know we have been given so many empty promises.
Furthermore,I read an article that Samsung is undecided whether to release Gingerbread for the Galaxy devices. For a product that has been so popular and successful, what are they thinking? Or maybe they are not!!
Either way my fingers and toes are crossed for Froyo for now...
I have just the stock 2.1.1 ROM. I know each of various Custom ROMs have different things that make them somewhat different from each other but here is my question. Is there one "major" thing that Custom ROMs have that should really entice to try one of them? My stock ROM seems fine to me but I have never seen what others can do and I fairly sure once I try one I'll think WOW why didn't I do this sooner. I have read all the "How to" things about Flashing,I have done all the prep work and have all the software, I just trying to make the final jump to Flashing and I just wanted some input from you guys.
Thanks
Biggest advantages:
-No bloatware (some of these apps will/can load at bootup and set in memory)
-Wireless Access Point / Internet Tethering (free internet on the go)
-Lag-fixes can make your phone much "snappier". Some report that they're pointless but I definitely saw a difference when I was running 2.1 and used a lag-fixed ROM; it was much faster than stock. The newer stock (leaked) ROMs seem like they don't need a lag-fix. They seem to be running better.
-RUN FROYO. You don't have to wait for Samsung/at&t to release software. The awesome community developers are already working getting Gingerbread running on our phones. Samsung/at&t haven't even given us Froyo.
My advice is that you should read up on each of the ROMs and see what people are saying about the latest version. Occasionally, when a dev releases a new ROM, he/she may introduce a bug (usually get's fixed pretty quick).
Have fun!
Before you read this and blast me for being impatient I want you to know that this is purely a question and I am truly grateful for all the developers we have working on the Charge Development.
Being that this is my first smartphone, I don't really know how long development takes and how much work goes into it. So my question is, how long before we see a Gingerbread ROM? Do the developers have to wait until a test build is leaked for the phone from Samsung or is development probably going on right now?
What about a Google Stock Froyo experience (you know without Touchwiz or Launcher Pro or anything like that)? I've heard a lot of people who like the Google experience better than anything else so I'm just wondering if that is in the works?
Once again I'm not trying to get on anyone's back I'm just purely wondering if these things are in development or if we will ever see these on the Charge.
Thanks
For most devices, especially CDMA, going from the ROM that shipped with the phone to a working AOSP ROM (Google Experience if you will) takes several months. With Samsung phones, it takes longer from what I've seen. The biggest problem that anyone trying to do this will encounter is the dual-RIL (needed for cell radios), and could be what prevents a full AOSP ROM from ever happening. A lot of people would love AOSP, but it is much easier said than done.
Theres an alpha version of CM9 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1410400
i don't see many devs for our infuse.. will we ever have ICS ported?
The more people beg and gripe the more devs will feel less obligated to release ANYTHING. There are plenty of great ROM's out there, give some a try! Preoccupy yourself.
Yeah stop crying and live with what youve got. Dont like it? STFU and get a sgs2
well our dev is a bit slower but the same thing happened with cm7. nobody appeared to be working on it. someone gave a dev a phone to port it. the dev didn't hold up his end. then out of nowhere Linux bozo pops up with a near perfect port. I don't think you will know about a port till it is flashable and the devs that can do it seem to keep things to themselves till it is worthy of posting.
things move faster on the sgs2 cuz its an international phone and prolly the most powerful one on the market. they have a ton of devs with a ton of experience. it doesn't mean we are hopeless. just keep faith and be patient. it will likely happen but there are hurdles. if it doesn't happen then get another phone.
has NOTHING to do with the infuse should be closed
i figure that by the time im ready for a new phone the infuse will get ICS.
while u wait try some current ROMs. I have tried a few of them but keep going back to a oldie but goodie (Infused ROM)
You got one thing right...lol...its a oldie
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well our dev is a bit slower but the same thing happened with cm7. nobody appeared to be working on it. someone gave a dev a phone to port it. the dev didn't hold up his end. then out of nowhere Linux bozo pops up with a near perfect port. I don't think you will know about a port till it is flashable and the devs that can do it seem to keep things to themselves till it is worthy of posting.
things move faster on the sgs2 cuz its an international phone and prolly the most powerful one on the market. they have a ton of devs with a ton of experience. it doesn't mean we are hopeless. just keep faith and be patient. it will likely happen but there are hurdles. if it doesn't happen then get another phone.
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LinuxBozo didn't pop up out of nowhere - he had a repository for a VERY long time and anyone who was doing development was aware of it. It just went nowhere because he didn't have Gingerbread-compatible proprietary blobs.
The big breakthrough for CM7 wasn't LB coming on the scene - he was around for quite some time beforehand doing kernel development behind the scenes. The big breakthrough was the Rogers UXKG3 Gingerbread dump. That gave LB the blobs he needed to work with.
just curious.. hope this doesnt come across the wrong way. i realize everyone wants the latest and greatest, but why havent any dev's made a custom badass froyo based rom?
everything works, we have all the sources and bootloaders, etc.. and it can be made to look just like GB or ICS anyways with theming. it just seems like our devs would have a lot less difficult of a time getting things to work properly. i know there were a lot of difficulties faced when trying to get GB to work.. and still some features are missing
i do realize there are a few (3) modified stock froyo roms available. but nothing custom built straight from aosp. just an idea.. would anyone else be interested?
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just curious.. hope this doesnt come across the wrong way. i realize everyone wants the latest and greatest, but why havent any dev's made a custom badass froyo based rom?
everything works, we have all the sources and bootloaders, etc.. and it can be made to look just like GB or ICS anyways with theming. it just seems like our devs would have a lot less difficult of a time getting things to work properly. i know there were a lot of difficulties faced when trying to get GB to work.. and still some features are missing
i do realize there are a few (3) modified stock froyo roms available. but nothing custom built straight from aosp. just an idea.. would anyone else be interested?
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If a developer feels like running it, then it could happen but probably not. Now, somehow porting cm1 or whatever the first verson of it would be so cool, imagine telling people "ive got a pretty new phone running the software that started it all". Probably way more difficult then making ics for the infuse lol. Just based out of sheer curiosity.
bradbusa said:
just curious.. hope this doesnt come across the wrong way. i realize everyone wants the latest and greatest, but why havent any dev's made a custom badass froyo based rom?
everything works, we have all the sources and bootloaders, etc.. and it can be made to look just like GB or ICS anyways with theming. it just seems like our devs would have a lot less difficult of a time getting things to work properly. i know there were a lot of difficulties faced when trying to get GB to work.. and still some features are missing
i do realize there are a few (3) modified stock froyo roms available. but nothing custom built straight from aosp. just an idea.. would anyone else be interested?
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It's not a bad idea, brad.
I've ran the uckh1 for a while. I used tibu to delete on extra un-needed like updater, music, social etc..it was pretty good and very responsive running stock and odexed.
There are a few things like battery management, memory manager, gtalk video that froyo does not support.
the infused 1.5 and cousins were pinnacles of their time...oc will also make it very snappy.
however, some app from market may not have all functions or display, so there is some drawbacks.
You can learn to theme...make it badass... and share?
Ya I'm by no means a developer. I can flash lol but coding is something I know NOTHING about. Not even a little bit
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As a developer forum we are all about messing and trying new things. Once something new is released it is normally taken on by most of the developers. As this is not a site that focuses on Roms but on developing new and interesting stuff. You can see where it leads.