Hi,
I have the following problem with my Qtek 9090 and my 1GB SD-Card:
I installed all applications on the storage card, as well as many documents and files.
What happens is that I lost data on the SD-Card on 3-4 occasions. The result is that some applications are obviously not available anymore.
Plus, many data files (PDF, RM, etc.) are corrupt.
I tried to fill the card on my laptop with big ZIP-Files and checked them afterwards (CRC-Check will proove file-errors), but everything went OK.
This leaves me with 3 possibilities:
- the card is defect and looses data randomly - how could I prove that to the supplier?
- I am running faulty programs on my Qtek (i.e. freeware emulators) - while trying dosbox for PocketPC for the first time, my Qtek freezed and I did a reset. After that the SD-Card was empty!!!
- The Qtek 9090 has some weird problem accessing these cards, resulting in data loss.
What do you think? Can anyone give me some good hints?
Thanks,
vma
try write lock the card?
Then some applications would not run anymore, I guess.
Also, I want to use a "My Documents" folder on the card, to make use of all the space.
It would be nice to hear from you guy's if you a) never had similar problems or b) did expirience the occasional data loss/corruption on the card.
Thanks,
vma
I have an XDA1 with a 256Mb SD card and I've randomly lost all my data twice now.
I have write-protected the card to (hopefully) stop it happening again, but if anyone knows why it's happening I'd be very grateful to hear from them.
On Friday my 256Mb card lost everything (together with all progs and applications on the Qtek 9090). It was something to do with Spb Pocket Plus but haven't really got to the cause.
I had a similar problem on my magician until I looked up the data system. By default my SD-Card was formated in Fat 16. After I formated it in Fat 32 the problems were solved. Hope I could help.
I lost all of my data on 512 MB Lexar storage card today. Only mail attachments and "ingnore my docs" are there. It really pisses me off...
I don't have any idea why this happened - it would be nice to know the reason. A couple of days ago I restored usin Sprite, that shouldn't clear storage card, should it?
Any ideas?
I am running the original ROM my Trinity came with.
WM5
ROM Version - 1.23.405.2
Radio Version - 1.38.00.11
I have no reason to change or update the ROM (partly as i don't understand how to), everything runs really well with it. My GPS, WiFi etc all work a treat. Recently I bought a 4GB Transcend Mini SDHC card as my 2GB is nearly full.
When I loaded everything onto it, it worked no problem. My Trinity recognised it and everything worked. However, when I switched my Trinity off and later put it on many of my programs wouldn't run. I used File explorer on the PDA and some of the files had disappeared. A soft reset brought them all back (which is wierd) but these problems persisted. But a soft reset would make it all work again. A couple of times everything did disappear except 1 folder (my inbox attachments), and a soft reset did not help. When I put the card into my PC (running XP) this one folder was the only thing on the card. Yet all the memory was still used up. I reformatted the card (FAT32 was the only option) and loaded everything back onto the card and into my Trinity and things worked again, but the same problems keep happening.
From doing a search here I see some people have produced Cab files which sort change the settings for SDHC cards, but these seem to be mainly for WM6 ROM's. I can see the card and it works so is there a Cab file I should install to make it work well? Is it the card? (I suspect not as it always reformates and works initially)
Will I need to upgrade to WM6? If so which ROM? Are there instructions how to do this?
Are these problems still there with WM6?
If anyone can help that would be great.
I would prefer to be able to keep WM5 and find a solution so if you have one please share it.
Thanks
Same here...
Hi, I am in the same position exactly. I would prefer to stay with my original WM5 installation as I don't want to risk upgrading the ROM. However, I would love to be able to use SDHC cards of at least 4Gb without the normal problems.
Ideally I would like to get a 6Gb card - am I living in a dream world or is this possible with my Orange SPV-M700 running WM5. If anyone has had any luck with this I'd be really grateful to know how to solve the SDHC card reliability problem.
Thanks!
look at this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344338
Ok - so I bought a Topram 4gb card from ebay, and it works so far. All my files are there and continue to be there. Only once over a 3 day period have I switched my Trinity on to find files not there. A quick reboot and everything works.
This card is not a SDHC card!
6 Gig works too (WM6)
Upgrading to WM6 isn't that hard. If you don't feel comfortable doing it then don't. You will just have to live with a smaller memory card capacity.
At the moment I'm using a wm6 rom with a micro 6 gig sdhc card with a mini converter. so I can use this 6 gig card in my next phone .... (Forward thinking
good day guys. ive been having trouble with my sd card lately.. it seems i could no longer add any applications nor files in it yet there is still more than 700mb of free space.checked the slide toggle at the side and its not locked.everytime i add a program via activesync it says "check that the device is properly connected,that it has enough space and is not copyright protected" but nothing has been changed as far as i know. tried upgrading to the latest activesync to no avail.i noticed that this only happens when i insert my card in my device because i tried to put it in a cardreader and added some files up to its capacity and it worked. only problem is that it seems to be locked when i insert it to my device. i noticed this after i installed memmaid and sk tools. tried uninstalling them but the problem still persists.i even did a hard reset and installed all the applications but there it goes again,jammed at the 700mb mark.
could this be a registry problem caused by the tweaks of the applications mentioned?
my specs are as follows:
orange spv M1500 ppc2003 se + 2 gb sd card
i hope you can help me on this guys and thank you in advance.
one more thing,where does my device belong from the list posted at the home page of our forum? thank you again.
ppc2003....ewwwwww
your device is called an alpine btw, try looking in the alpine subforums
My machine is P3600i
I flashed WWE_21198_P3600I_Lite @ WM6.5
Works fine ......
I had a back up BUT I decided to reinstall......those frequently used progg.
Include GPS Garmin XT ver 5.00.20
Use the GPS for almost 3 hours for traveling, out of sudden my gps was hey wired, soft rest> back to normal, continue journey for another 2 hours, seemed the gps was not functioning correctly.
Yesterday decided to reflash the rom and inclusive the garmin XT and I did
seemed OK.
Today found out that SD Card @ ordinary 4GB Kingston mini was not detected by the window @ WM 6.5 Lite
1...Inserted into card reader with Win XP Pro operating system
2...XP reconized the SD Card........x'fer the data and reformat with Fat 32
3...Inserted into PPC...."SD Card not install"
4...Swap with another SD Card same brand but 2GB capacity....still "SD Card not install"
5...Flashed unit with FInix3.7i Normal.........."SD Card not install"
6...Flashed with standard HTC RUU that meant back to WM 6.0. Still the luck was "NONE" ........"SD Card not install"
7...Swap with my brother's 4GB normal SD Card same old story ....."SD Card not install"
8...Inserted my 4 GB card into his Palm Treo 750v, his machine detected my sd card !!!!!!
What should I do with my machine???
any cab to rectify this???
HELP me please....guide needed 'cos I search around seemed not much info that fit my criteria
Thanking you in advance
Regards
Hello everyone,
i own a Raphael since January and in this time it allready killed 2 SD-Cards.
The first one about 4 months ago.
Suddenly in the middle of usage the Raphael froze and i could not get it started again. even after a hardreset it was stuck in the bootscreen.
after a lot of trying and finally removing the sd card it bootet again without a problem.
the card was not readable anymore in any of my devices or windows boxes.
i thougth myself. well can happen even when a card is only half a year old got a new 8GB card and forgot about the incident.
yesterday while listening to some podcast suddenly the sound died. taking out the phone i found out it did not reacted to any power button presses or anything the screen stayed black.
after a softreset the phone worked again but took about 5 minutes to get in a usable state and the programms installed on the sd card where not aviable anymore.
taking a closer look i found that the card was not displayed in file explorer anymore.
gave it a try with my mp3 player. same result no card was found.
today in the morning i gave it a try on the pc with an sd-adabter. but also no result, wondows does not even recocnizes any device being plugged in. tryed a few data recover tools but non of them found the card.
someone has similiar experiances or any tips how i could get my data back from the card?
i guess the phone has to be send back for maintainance, but i doubt that they will find anything, if they accept it at all.
I have changed 4 sd cards because of similar problems. But the problem is most likely because of the fragility of high capacity microSDs, I wouldn't blame Raphael. Try other manufacturers (and try to find the ones that are not just rebranded)
I've had many issues with sd card corruption, but have solved some of the issues. Here's my advice (fwiw):
1. Get a card scanner, and regularly scan your catd. I do it everyday (takes 5 min). I use Wizcode Scandisk. It fixes errors and dumps out files that can be opened in notepad. It's worth looking at them, as it helped me find the multiple sources of corruption that I had.
2. Don't put your PIE cache on the card.
3. Change all 'save' paths (esp. the camera) to main memory.
4. Store any programs you use a lot on main memory.
5. Do NOT have any programs that run constantly on the sd card.
6. Do NOT put Fingerkeyboard on the sd card (major problem for me).
Basically, my advice is to use sd cards for storage. The Raphael has a lot of memory-use it for programs. I haven't had to format my card in about 4 months. I was doing it every couple of weeks for a while.
well basically i was using my sd card as a storage place for movies and podcast + podcastplayer prog.
and was using the player more or less the whole day.
i used the same card (and the other one before) also in my mp3 player when the raphael or the bt headset run out of power and there is no power outlet aviable to recharge. and twice the card failed in the rapahel.
when i got a new card, i also found that the card is working 100% on pc and mp3 player, but the raphael still can not see any sd card.
i really blame the phone and also assume that it now has a defective reader.
have to give it back to repairs as soon i have flashed the original firmware and make my way back to the store
You should scan the disk to find out the error sources. It may be something simple that causing them. Also, if your phone freezes when listening to music, you may want to either wait it out, or remove the card before soft resetting. You should do some searches on card corruption. There are lots of threads here that can be helpful.
many Sdcard and usbStick manufacturers got lowlevel format tools you can download and get cards not otherwise working in cardreaders on pc back to life
would love to get those cards working again. but i also would love to get the data back that was on them.
but the problem is the cards do not even appear on the pc, or any other device i have that can read/write them (usb card reader, digi cam, mp3 player)
its just as if nothing is ever inserted in the reader.
the low level format tools don't rely on windows driver model to detect cards
Flash Format (cnetx) has always been able to re-format my card, even when my pc couldn't recognize it and neither could my fuze. It has a free trial that works fine.
I haven't experienced any of these issues myself. But I'm sure I will now that I said that....
i gave that flash format a try, but it even failed to install. was one of those weird .exe installers. on the pc side it told me install was sucessfull, but on the ppc side was just a promt "installation failed".
a cab install would be nice, but without a working cardreader in the phone i guess would also not be of much help. i guess cuz of that that prog will not help me much. the reader in the phone is broken. cant read any cards, even brand new unused ones that are fine everywhere else just dont show up on the phone.
as for other "low level format tools" my search was quite unsecessful. i was looking at the sandisk and the transcend page (the suppliers of my 3 cards) but could not find anything.
google just found more request for this kind of program but not really somewhere where i could get it.
patlabor said:
i gave that flash format a try, but it even failed to install. was one of those weird .exe installers. on the pc side it told me install was sucessfull, but on the ppc side was just a promt "installation failed".
a cab install would be nice, but without a working cardreader in the phone i guess would also not be of much help. i guess cuz of that that prog will not help me much. the reader in the phone is broken. cant read any cards, even brand new unused ones that are fine everywhere else just dont show up on the phone.
as for other "low level format tools" my search was quite unsecessful. i was looking at the sandisk and the transcend page (the suppliers of my 3 cards) but could not find anything.
google just found more request for this kind of program but not really somewhere where i could get it.
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Check C:\Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync\CNETX-you'll find the cab in there. There will be several-you want the PPC-Arm one. It should install fine.
Card Freeze
Yeah I had the same thing happen. Raphael would not boot unless I removed the card and as soon as I placed the card back into the sd slot it would lock up. Unlike you I was able to get on of my PCs (either the XP Pro or the Vista Pro) to recognize it but all I could do was format it.
OK I like the idea of moving all the data to the main however I'm an old Windows CE guy (yeah I had a Jornado) and the memory used to be shared between program and storage. The device would allocate from the other when more was needed. If I place all the stuff I want into the Raphael main memory won't that lower the amount of RAM I have for running programs or vice versa? I really don't know if the memory is fluid since all I get when I look into the memory is one listing total storage and one total program, there is no slider bar like there used to be in windows ce.
webfrm said:
Yeah I had the same thing happen. Raphael would not boot unless I removed the card and as soon as I placed the card back into the sd slot it would lock up. Unlike you I was able to get on of my PCs (either the XP Pro or the Vista Pro) to recognize it but all I could do was format it.
OK I like the idea of moving all the data to the main however I'm an old Windows CE guy (yeah I had a Jornado) and the memory used to be shared between program and storage. The device would allocate from the other when more was needed. If I place all the stuff I want into the Raphael main memory won't that lower the amount of RAM I have for running programs or vice versa? I really don't know if the memory is fluid since all I get when I look into the memory is one listing total storage and one total program, there is no slider bar like there used to be in windows ce.
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The storage memory on the device is flash, not ram, so you don't lose program memory changing the save paths to main memory (if that's what you meant by moving data to main memory).
I never had any issues with my storage cards (sd and cf) on my 2003 device. I don't think it was the device, but rather the cards. The big, 16 gb cards just seem to be less hardy than a 1-2 gb card. I had all my apps on the storage card (including stuff like magic button), and never had a problem. But, jeez, the 16 g microsd is sensitive as hell. It gets minor bits of corruption at least once a week. I scan it everyday to avoid it crashing, which has helped, because I've gone 4 months without formatting it. One thing that I've found screws it up royally is doing a lot of file/directory operations over active sync on a pc. I don't know why, but cutting and pasting files from one folder to another in the sd card frequently results in lost clusters. Renaming folders is also a bad idea.
OK Flash
Well I guess I didn't explain it correctly. According to HTC the RAM is 288MB with a ROM of 512MB. So I'm really confused since according to the start>settings>system>memory the total for my storage and my program = 549MB which is of course more than 288 and 512. So when I load applications into my device and get a choice of main or storage card when it was a large file (some apps I use were 14 megs or more) I would choose the storage card.
My old experience with Windows CE was whatever memory was on the device was shared with both the program and storage, so I would put as much as possible on my storage card. However in windows 6.1 or higher it lists two separate columns for Program and Storage with: Total, In Use, and Free. So when I install apps I presumed they went into the storage area. Am I mistaken? I figured Program on the device meant how much is currently in use. Kinda like opening multiple windows on a PC. I notice it's low when at once I have 4 applications open on my windows mobile device so that's what I thought Program memory was.
Therefore does installing to the Main, when given a choice during program installation. where does it get installed ROM, RAM? Why is my total memory higher than RAM or the ROM
Any insight would help me decide the best location for my program installation to not corrupt the data, or have the flash card screw me up either.
288 MB is the total amount of system ram. A large amount is not user-accessible, it's used by the kernel/OS/Page-pool, so you don't see it reported. It's still there, though. The rom memory is 512 MB, but the actual memory in rom is subtracted by the storage memory so you see the amount of user-available memory. With 2003 devices, if the battery ran down, you lost all of your data, because the storage memory was in RAM (except perhaps for a little flash disk space). But with a fuze, you can pull the battery out, and not lose your data.
Totally confused
OK your right about the 2003 devices which is why I placed most of my stuff on a storage card. However why is my total reported memory 549MB more than the 512 ROM? Also when I install stuff to the device where does it get stored, the 512 ROM? Are you saying that the 200mb of Program being shown is 288 RAM minus the 88 being used to run the OS?
So are you saying its safe to install all my apps onto the device and I won't lose anything if the battery runs out?
Yeah, I've been saying that for about 3 weeks, lol! They got rid of the volatile storage memory with winmo 5; we're onto 6.5 now, and it's a thing of the distant past. I you don't believe me, pull out your battery (there's no backup battery on the device) and see if it causes a hard reset.
This is not an uncommon problem with digital cameras, as well. It's complicated, but the bottom line is this: whenever you buy an SD/micro SDHC/etc. card, you should do a full format of it on your COMPUTER, then put it in your device.