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Hello,
can anyone explain me, why does the HTC Touch Pro 2 get a older Processor like HTC Touch Pro 1? HTC Touch Pro get a Qualcomm MSM7201A with 65nm (less Battery) and the HTC Touch Pro 2 have a Qualcomm MSM7200A with 90 nm (need more Batterypower), this Processor is over 2 Years old!!! Is there a misstake on the Website of the specification on HTC?
Thanks for your answer.
Well, I understand your annoyance with an old processor, and although I'm definitely getting the TP2 if I can, I would certainly prefer a faster clock speed, maybe 628 mHz or higher. What I don't understand is where you are getting the chip measurements. Are you refering to this spec's page?
Dave
Hi,
yes, your refering spec's website is right. PDADB has auso the same spec. I don't know, why i've got to pay for a new mobilephone with a old processor. :-( I hope this is a misstake on the website.
chrigiboy said:
...I don't know, why i've got to pay for a new mobilephone with a old processor...
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You don't... You can wait a month or two till the Touch Pro 3 comes out, which will probably have the new Snapdragon 1ghz processor like the Toshiba G01. Seems like htc is releasing new devices every few months or so now, so wait a little while and what you want will be available soon.
SomethingWicked said:
You don't... You can wait a month or two till the Touch Pro 3 comes out, which will probably have the new Snapdragon 1ghz processor like the Toshiba G01. Seems like htc is releasing new devices every few months or so now, so wait a little while and what you want will be available soon.
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I do hope you are wrong, because if you are not I will keep waiting for the next phone to come out and never upgrade my phone until year 2050...
For me it is the same too. I won't even take a glance at any phone with only 624MHz on it. I need something faster. I have an HTC Universal (524MHz), and I think that was slow after loading all my applications. The same goes with my HTC Advantage X7510 (624MHz). An open application runs fine, but you will notice how slow a QUALCOMM processor is upon opening the application.
I really think the combination of HTC and Qualcomm processors are not a good match. I promised myself, I won't buy another HTC device if it has a QUALCOMM processor in it.
... the new Snapdragon 1ghz processor like the Toshiba G01...
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wow! this phone looks beautiful. any1 knows the price already?
I dont think they will do any change in next 8-12 months after the release on TP2 which clearly targeted for bussiness user (Email,calls, battery live) Anyhow I do think the next Touch HD will be in the level of Toshiba G01 and targeted mainly on multimedia (games,movies etc.)
cktlcmd said:
I really think the combination of HTC and Qualcomm processors are not a good match. I promised myself, I won't buy another HTC device if it has a QUALCOMM processor in it.
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It has to be something else thats causing the problem, not just the HTC/Qualcomm combination.
The HTC T-mobile G1 is very responsive and fast and uses the same qualcomm cpu, also the Xperia X1 is using it and I've read it outperforms the Diamond/Touch Pro in multimedia department. HTC developed the X1 aswell.
I'm confused...
owziee said:
It has to be something else thats causing the problem, not just the HTC/Qualcomm combination.
The HTC T-mobile G1 is very responsive and fast and uses the same qualcomm cpu, also the Xperia X1 is using it and I've read it outperforms the Diamond/Touch Pro in multimedia department. HTC developed the X1 aswell.
I'm confused...
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When you say HTC T-Mobile G1, are you referring to ANDROID OS? That alone is a big difference. Unfortunately, I like Windows Mobile better at the moment for an all around OS with a wide variety of free and 3rd party applications.
With regards to X-Peria, it's made by SONY which specializes on multimedia, so that is no surprise at that department. But looking at Xperia videos, it is still slow, especially at opening and starting applications. I bet it will even be slower upon performing multi-task applications running in the background.
I read at Brighthand that the new HTC THOTH will also have a Qualcomm processor but it would be a 1GHz processor. So I guess, we will see by next year how HTC will use these powerful processors, or maybe they will cripple it in some way. They always find something to screw-up. So I guess we will have to wait.
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With regards to X-Peria, it's made by SONY which specializes on multimedia, so that is no surprise at that department.
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I really thought HTC made the xperia for SONY.
Anyway my point was that the xperia is using the same qualcomm cpu like the diamond/pro for example and the xperia outperforms them both in multimedia performance. And if I'm wrong about the xperia made by HTC then ok you are right.
owziee said:
I really thought HTC made the xperia for SONY.
Anyway my point was that the xperia is using the same qualcomm cpu like the diamond/pro for example and the xperia outperforms them both in multimedia performance. And if I'm wrong about the xperia made by HTC then ok you are right.
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No you are right, maybe I should had made it clear, the XPeria is made by HTC, but Sony definitely has something to do with it's multimedia capabilities. Sony would not just let HTC make something and not have any control over it.
chrigiboy said:
Hello,
can anyone explain me, why does the HTC Touch Pro 2 get a older Processor like HTC Touch Pro 1? HTC Touch Pro get a Qualcomm MSM7201A with 65nm (less Battery) and the HTC Touch Pro 2 have a Qualcomm MSM7200A with 90 nm (need more Batterypower), this Processor is over 2 Years old!!! Is there a misstake on the Website of the specification on HTC?
Thanks for your answer.
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Hey, the Touch Pro uses a cdma msm7501a cpu which was made last year.
The Touch Pro 2 uses a msm7600 cdma cpu from 2007.
The TP uses a newer cpu than the atp2.
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No you are right, maybe I should had made it clear, the XPeria is made by HTC, but Sony definitely has something to do with it's multimedia capabilities. Sony would not just let HTC make something and not have any control over it.
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The Sony Xperia is based on the same cpu as the Touch Pro. Look it up in wikipedia.
see post 3...mind changed!!
guys please......which one shall i choose??
ok after a bit of work by myself....i found out that i have to increase my budget
..now i am choosing between
1>htc hd2 leo (huge screen! 1 ghz...)
2>mytouch3g slide(loved android 2.1 and keyboard)
i know my priority is android but since both the phones are priced around 360$(ebay)and the hd2 has a gorgeous screen & snapdragon i made it my option as well.also i came to know that there is a lot of work being done to port android to hd2.so should i go with hd2 or a mytouch slide .
also how do 3d accelerators in mytouch slide and hd2 compare to each other??do they even have them?? which one should i go for.
Good options!!
hard decision...
I love keyboard devices but don´t like Android
On the other hand Leo is a great powerful device but no keyboard...
I think I would choose Leo
Hi,
I have the HTC HD2 and tried android clix, the newest one.
Had it for 2 days & it went back. The slid keyboard is hard to see.
TMO is coming out with a samsung galaxy android with 1ghz processor & big screen. Just check it out!
bliss23
thanks guys.....
i am also intended to surf a lot of internet in my phone.and ive never owned any phone with a keyboard.so is it helpful while surfing net??
also i came to know that both snapdragon 1 ghz processor and msm 7227 600 mhz processors have the same graphics controller. so in 3d profermance it should be the same for both mytouch slide and htc leo right?
and i think samsung galaxy s will not fit to my budget as my budget is only upto 400$ max
sorry for being so conservative as i have to get the phone internationally shipped to me and after that i cant return it back.
help appreciated
Please users, tell me which phone is better. I wanna buy one of these 2 phones.
I wanna use it mainly for graphics, apps to sd, root, custom roms, and games. Emulators too. Also can someone confirm how is psx4droid, n64oid and nds4droid working?
I documented myself and found that lg optimus one has 2.3, bigger screen, but 600 mhz, and optimus me has 800 mhz.
Plz respond quickly, the offer ends tomorrow, and i'm gonna buy it tomorrow night!
Definetly Optimus One. I didn't find anything about Me CPU, but I storngly believe that it is the same 600 mHz. also Optimus One still does not have oficial 2.3 upgrade, but there ar some custom ROMs. I recommend you Optimus One form these two phones
Get a LG O1,its just great...
Been using it for about a month now running on CM7 overclocked to 768 Max and 600 Min.
Runs like heaven..Plus u got lots of custom roms to choose from...
Comparison
Hi there, I'd like to ask the same Q... What's their processor speed, do they support multitouch, etc.
Which one has a better res. screen, what are your experiences...?
I'd just like to know since there isn't a very decent comparison on the internet...
someone755 said:
Hi there, I'd like to ask the same Q... What's their processor speed, do they support multitouch, etc.
Which one has a better res. screen, what are your experiences...?
I'd just like to know since there isn't a very decent comparison on the internet...
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You can always search google for their specs :/
Hi
I've been testing and comparing some of the top candidates og android phones on the market now.
The competitors are: Samsung Galaxy SII, Lg Optimus 2x (CM7) and HTC Sensation
And I must say, I'm pretty disappointed with HTC Sensation so far. Don't know if I'm just unlucky, or if we should expect an update on this in the future, but the GPU is way behind in comparison to the two others.
www.antutu.com benchmark results:
4578 - Samsung Galaxy SII
4456 - LG Optimus 2x
3758 - HTC Sensation
Goint through the details, the most worrying is HTC Sensation scores low on 2d/3d graphics, about half of what LG Optimus 2x scores, which is the winner, with a total of 297 + 350 in graphics. Sensation scores about 300 in total.
Qaudrant benchmark goes like this:
3678 - Samsung Galaxy SII
3120 - LG optimus 2x
2170 - HTC Sensation
Basically Samsung wins because of scoring higher on both CPU and memory (1gb ram)
LG Optimus 2x got he best GPU and Database IO (data transfer rate)
HTC Sensation is just way behind
What is your results? Is it just me, or could we hope for an update?
I have heard rumors about HTC Sensation only running on half of the kernels ind the GPU, is this true?
I heard it scores so low because of the Sense 3.0 requiring so much to run.
Maybe HTC should start concerning themselves more with function rather than form. I think everyone hear would rather have a faster device with less eye candy. If you look at what Samsung had done since the Behold II they have progressively toned Touch Wiz down with each iteration. I just hope we get the boot loader unlocked quick.
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I hated touchwiz, and still hate Samsung.
Always have liked the sense. To.each their own.
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Sensation has such low benchmarks because it has qHD screen and Sense 3.0. Take Sense 3.0 away and this thing'll fly!
As I said in my own Sense 3.0 thread, having Sense 3.0 and qHD screen beats having high benchmarks. Benchmarks don't mean ANYTHING unless they're running the same UI overlay. Put them on stock/CyanogenMod and the Sensation will be a lot lot faster!
redbullcat said:
Sensation has such low benchmarks because it has qHD screen and Sense 3.0. Take Sense 3.0 away and this thing'll fly!
As I said in my own Sense 3.0 thread, having Sense 3.0 and qHD screen beats having high benchmarks. Benchmarks don't mean ANYTHING unless they're running the same UI overlay. Put them on stock/CyanogenMod and the Sensation will be a lot lot faster!
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I agree with this. Sense requires a lot of ram and so does the qHD screen. That's the only reason benchmarks are so low. Get some stock GB on here and you'll see the difference. It also explains why the chip is clocked at 1.2GHz. I wonder how much further it can be pushed, though.
ericc191 said:
I agree with this. Sense requires a lot of ram and so does the qHD screen. That's the only reason benchmarks are so low. Get some stock GB on here and you'll see the difference. It also explains why the chip is clocked at 1.2GHz. I wonder how much further it can be pushed, though.
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I've heard the chip is underclocked to 1.2ghz to save battery...it apparently can go to 1.5ghz, at least.
jrwingate6 said:
Maybe HTC should start concerning themselves more with function rather than form. I think everyone hear would rather have a faster device with less eye candy. If you look at what Samsung had done since the Behold II they have progressively toned Touch Wiz down with each iteration. I just hope we get the boot loader unlocked quick.
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If you don't like sense then why buy the Sensation? That's like buying car that's a stick and then complaining because it's not an automatic. Yes sense is on the phone, yes sense may cause lower benchmarks, yes it's heavily intergrated. If those things bother you then perhaps purchasing a sensation was a mistake...not trying to start an argument, but really it illogical to complain about something you knew going in was a core part of the phone. I don't like touchwiz...so I don't purchase devices with touchwiz on them...it wouldn't make sense for me to buy a phone with touchwiz knowing I don't like it and then complaining about it.
Some ignorant people just don't get the fact. HTC had been advertised about Sense 3.0 for Sensation and we all do know it is a core part of the phone. So don't get the phone if you are for benchmarks isn't it? this sound silly, doesn't it?
Ah! Of course... the screen res is higher, that should influence on the benchmark for sure. Moto Xoom scores low also, but that too, has a higher res.
Im just concerned if it is still scoring lower when on stock. Does anyone have a true benchmark of the Adreno220, which is within the Sensation?
The benchmarks I found on the internet, the Adreno220/M8660 beats the crap out of LG optimus 2x and SGSII.
Anyone know if there is a truth to the "half cores only support" yet?
larsn84 said:
Ah! Of course... the screen res is higher, that should influence on the benchmark for sure. Moto Xoom scores low also, but that too, has a higher res.
Im just concerned if it is still scoring lower when on stock. Does anyone have a true benchmark of the Adreno220, which is within the Sensation?
The benchmarks I found on the internet, the Adreno220/M8660 beats the crap out of LG optimus 2x and SGSII.
Anyone know if there is a truth to the "half cores only support" yet?
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When we get s-off, we'll have some true benchmarks for all devices. Optimus 2x, Galaxy S II, Sensation, and possibly Moto Atrix. Put them all on latest release of CyanogenMod7 and benchmark them using a range of apps.
ImHuge07 said:
I heard it scores so low because of the Sense 3.0 requiring so much to run.
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Actually its mainly because HTC chose to use old technology and use 2 second gen snapdragon chips which use the arm 8 instruction set, instead of using a cpu based on the new arm 9 technology which is what every other new dual core cpu is set up with.
TheRiceKing said:
Actually its mainly because HTC chose to use old technology and use 2 second gen snapdragon chips which use the arm 8 instruction set, instead of using a cpu based on the new arm 9 technology which is what ever other new dual core cpu is set up with.
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As other people have stated, this view is nonsense. Scorpion is a parallel development to A9. It has advantages and disadvantages in comparison.
lol if you want to try and call it nonsense... I'm really just trying to help educate you and explain, but you can continue to think that if you wish
Scorpion incorporates some ARM 9 features, its basically like ARM 8 and a half and that is being optimistic -_-'
TheRiceKing said:
Actually its mainly because HTC chose to use old technology and use 2 second gen snapdragon chips which use the arm 8 instruction set, instead of using a cpu based on the new arm 9 technology which is what ever other new dual core cpu is set up with.
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Your post is wildly inaccurate... First of all there is no ARM 8 instruction set. All A8, A9, and Scorpion processors use the ARMv7 instruction set. Second, Scorpion is Qualcomm's own architecture, it is not based on the A8 design, they created their own design from scratch. It is not as simple as A9 > A8 for this reason. The Scorpion architecture implements features that are not available on A8 but are available on A9. The main difference between the Scorpion and the A9 is the number of pipeline stages. The Scorpion has 13 while the A9 has 8. This is positive and negative for both, as more pipeline stages improves throughput, but is more costly if an instruction has to be aborted and the pipeline flushed.
I have gotten a lot of responses telling me that the Scorpion is based off A8 and tweaked. This is not correct. If it were simply tweaked, it would not be able to have a clock over 1 GHz without overclocking, as that is the limitation of the A8 architecture. It also could not support dual cores, again a limitation of A8. The Scorpion also has partial support of out-of-order processing. This is impossible on an A8 processor, but is fully supported on an A9.
You are correct in saying that every other dual core is based off an A9 processor because the A9 is the only design you can license from ARM that can support dual cores. The only alternative is for a company to license the instruction set itself and design their own architecture (Qualcomm's approach). I should also point out that the A9 processors are synchronous, while the MSM8260 is asynchronous, allowing separate clock speeds and voltages to each core, which can greatly increase battery performance (especially on processes that only utilize 1 core).
I will agree that A9 is more advanced than Scorpion, but it is not by nearly as much as the "Scorpion is A8" argument would indicate. The MSM8260 can also support clock speed up to 1.5 GHz, so the Sensation can be overclocked without actually overclocking the processor.
LittleMerc said:
Some ignorant people just don't get the fact. HTC had been advertised about Sense 3.0 for Sensation and we all do know it is a core part of the phone. So don't get the phone if you are for benchmarks isn't it? this sound silly, doesn't it?
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Exactly! I don't understand the logic of people that purchase a device that they know has certain features and then complain about it. That's like buying a phone with a slide out keyboard and then complaining saying you don't like the fact that it has a slide out keyboard. My thing is, Sense is not a surprise. Everyone knew going in that it was there, and they know what it is and how it works. If certain people don't like that, then they probably shouldn't have bought the phone. Doesn't make sense to complain about getting exactly what you were paying for.
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Your post is wildly inaccurate... First of all there is no ARM 8 instruction set. All A8, A9, and Scorpion processors use the ARMv7 instruction set. Second, Scorpion is Qualcomm's own architecture, it is not based on the A8 design, they created their own design from scratch. It is not as simple as A9 > A8 for this reason. The Scorpion architecture implements features that are not available on A8 but are available on A9. The main difference between the Scorpion and the A9 is the number of pipeline stages. The Scorpion has 13 while the A9 has 8. This is positive and negative for both, as more pipeline stages improves throughput, but is more costly if an instruction has to be aborted and the pipeline flushed.
I have gotten a lot of responses telling me that the Scorpion is based off A8 and tweaked. This is not correct. If it were simply tweaked, it would not be able to have a clock over 1 GHz without overclocking, as that is the limitation of the A8 architecture. It also could not support dual cores, again a limitation of A8. The Scorpion also has partial support of out-of-order processing. This is impossible on an A8 processor, but is fully supported on an A9.
You are correct in saying that every other dual core is based off an A9 processor because the A9 is the only design you can license from ARM that can support dual cores. The only alternative is for a company to license the instruction set itself and design their own architecture (Qualcomm's approach). I should also point out that the A9 processors are synchronous, while the MSM8260 is asynchronous, allowing separate clock speeds and voltages to each core, which can greatly increase battery performance (especially on processes that only utilize 1 core).
I will agree that A9 is more advanced than Scorpion, but it is not by nearly as much as the "Scorpion is A8" argument would indicate. The MSM8260 can also support clock speed up to 1.5 GHz, so the Sensation can be overclocked without actually overclocking the processor.
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Wow, informative post. That should stop the A9 >A8 (Scorpion) because it's a bigger number rubbish, for a while.
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Many people told me that samsung's CPU is the best,qualcomm's and TI's is not good,why? And I also want to know,what different from kinds of GPU?Is there GPU can called"The Best"?I am a Chinese student,my English is bad....Please don't care...
If you re looking at the dual core cpu's and you want benchmark "best" then the snapdragon whips the latest qualcom cpu in the sensation without some serious overclocking... to be fair though the sensation is still an amazingly fast handset so its hard to tell..
小刷同学 said:
Many people told me that samsung's CPU is the best,qualcomm's and TI's is not good,why? And I also want to know,what different from kinds of GPU?Is there GPU can called"The Best"?I am a Chinese student,my English is bad....Please don't care...
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Well technically speaking the iPad 2 has the best GPU on the market (by a long shot), but we're probably talking about Android here so:
The best is the Adreno 220 in the dual core Snapdragons. (ie...HTC Sensation, MyTouch 4G Slide), (Any Qualcomm chip ending in 8x60). The Mali400MP in the Galaxy S II is supposed to be amazing, but the benchmark performance is rather disappointing. Either it's clocked very low or comes with a terrible OpenGL stack or driver.
As for CPU performance. They're all fairly close. They're all using dual core ARM Cortex-A9s. The differences come from L2 cache amounts, pipelines, RAM type, etc. I don't think you would find any noticable in every day usage going from the Tegra 2 to the 3rd gen Snapdragons to the Exynos, etc.
If you're buying a single core phone the only ones to look at are Hummingbird based ones and 2nd gen snapdragons (ending in 8x55).