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Would it not be easier to get together and create a single ROM? If JF releases a version now, there will be what? 3? 4?
So now all themers need to create 3 or 4 ports. Also, I have noticed that a lot of these different ROMs come pre-themed. Isn't this a bit redundant?
Personally I would like a plain-jane ROM without anything added (with the exception of root). Then you can add the options you like as we have in the past rather than have them spoon fed to us whether we like them or not.
Not really. if you are familiar with how rom cooking went with teh other htc phones, each has their own style. Once we get past the "beta" mode of these roms and they are more official, the cookers will be able to theme and do that stuff on their own. You would then pick roms based on features/themes/addons that you like instead of just going with the newest one that is out like we are now.
Agreed! (This text is just to pass 10 char limit)
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Not really. if you are familiar with how rom cooking went with teh other htc phones, each has their own style.
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Agreed. That was half the reason I loved recooking my old Apache every week.
but arnt all these builds just different attempts at getting a working 1.5 build?
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but arnt all these builds just different attempts at getting a working 1.5 build?
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Not any longer. The official 1.5 has been released and therefore should just simply be giving people root and adding other options.
well no, the official hasnt been released till tmo sends it as an OTA. they will add their own "style" (junk apps, and some good stuff if we are lucky) to it and then we will have official builds. Once that happens, there will just need to be root/themes/modifications. each cook will add his own ideas into his roms and will have his own followers. There will continue to be branches off of each style as we have seen with JF > lucidrem, haykuro > TheDude etc.
I remember when JF made his first rom and I started hoping this would happen. It did not seem like it would based on what was required, but we are fast approaching a rom kitchen like environment in Android where any custom build you can dream will be available. Lets see the iphone do that!
Good point DarkRift....
I went ahead and tested out Haykuro's version and while it's pretty stable, hate the fact that half of my apps no longer work. For this reason, I'm probably going back to JF1.43 until the devs have time to get the software working on 1.5.
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Personally I would like a plain-jane ROM without anything added (with the exception of root). Then you can add the options you like as we have in the past rather than have them spoon fed to us whether we like them or not.
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100% agree ...
We developers have to support 3, 4 or more different roms (different app2sd-mods not included) - that generates an unbelievable workload!
So, why not having one single base (a plain-jane rom) and all firmware-"modders" could publish one single "update.zip" (which can be applied to this basic rom) to make (specified) changes (like I've done with my kernel-update for ADP1.5 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3699701&postcount=157)
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100% agree ...
We developers have to support 3, 4 or more different roms (different app2sd-mods not included) - that generates an unbelievable workload!
So, why not having one single base (a plain-jane rom) and all firmware-"modders" could publish one single "update.zip" (which can be applied to this basic rom) to make (specified) changes (like I've done with my kernel-update for ADP1.5 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3699701&postcount=157)
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100% Disagree ....
In my past experience with a few htc wm phones, I've seen that competition between the rom "cooks" is exactly what drives them to create the next greatest rom! If they all teamed up then there wouldn't be any roms to compete against and they might lose their desire to keep improving.
And as to the extra workload for devs.... unless you are themeing, there is no extra work required? I am developing for android and the only extra workload I have is making sure my stuff works with both 1.1 and 1.5... the specific rom makes no difference. Edit: I see you are the dev of wifi tether... in which case I'm obviously completely wrong, and I agree it must be a pain in the ass(in your scenario) to make your stuff work in every rom.
This whole conversation is moot anyways, because it will never happen. Even if the current "cooks" all teamed up and worked on one rom, new people would come along who want to make their OWN rom that's different, and the cycle would continue.
The growth of new Dev's are pretty exciting for me. I love to see that we have options, everyday I have something to look forward to with all these new builds, and I hope more Dev's jump on in with new and fresh ideas. Hey you never know some one can jump in XDA with a genius mind and make our UI look like the Ophone. Now wouldn't that excite you knowing you can jump to that rom instead of being stuck on 1?
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well no, the official hasnt been released till tmo sends it as an OTA.
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Incorrect. HTC has released 1.5 as an update for ADP (Dev) phones. So it *is* officially out there for Dev phones, just not an "official" TMo release for TMo branded G1s, which personally I don't particularly care about anyway (
) as I'd always take a manufacturer rom over a carrier one. I'd expect a TMo 1.5 to be practically the same as the HTC one, with additional bloatware!
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Dave
I love having all of these roms to choose from. I'm just having trouble deciding whether to give up the pdf reader, HTC VK and camera, for the ADP1.5H with multitouch. I'm thinking that sooner or later, I will be able to have all of those things in one rom though.
I am still on Haykuro's HTC build, and my phone is waaaay more exciting than the fruit phone!
The only thing that I can see wrong with this phone now, is that HTC didn't include more internal memory from the beginning. Even with the apps to sd fixes, there are still problems which crop up with those.
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100% Disagree ....
In my past experience with a few htc wm phones, I've seen that competition between the rom "cooks" is exactly what drives them to create the next greatest rom! If they all teamed up then there wouldn't be any roms to compete against and they might lose their desire to keep improving.
And as to the extra workload for devs.... unless you are themeing, there is no extra work required? I am developing for android and the only extra workload I have is making sure my stuff works with both 1.1 and 1.5... the specific rom makes no difference. Edit: I see you are the dev of wifi tether... in which case I'm obviously completely wrong, and I agree it must be a pain in the ass(in your scenario) to make your stuff work in every rom.
This whole conversation is moot anyways, because it will never happen. Even if the current "cooks" all teamed up and worked on one rom, new people would come along who want to make their OWN rom that's different, and the cycle would continue.
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Quality over Quantity. If they all hooked up together and made on EPIC 1.5 ROM that was plain jane but 110% stable, i would love them for it. But in the end, im waiting for JF's build. Im sure thats what he is doing.
As has been stated by people such as "Big in Japan" though....
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Android 1.5 presents more than a few problems for developers. According to Alexander Muse, applications currently running on Android won’t necessarily be compatible with Cupcake 1.5; that means a mad rush to download the new firmware and rebuild their software. Compounding the problem is the fact that the Android Market won’t allow more than one version of an app, which means developers aren’t able to simply create a new, 1.5-friendly update and leave the existing version in place for those without Cupcake. Instead, Big in Japan face creating a new build that’s also backward compatible with earlier versions of Android, something they conservatively estimate should normally take around two to three weeks of development.
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So basically, if there are ROMs that affect the software, devs will need to "choose" which ROM to use their software on. Although this is a little extreme and MOST of the time this won't be an issue, what if ROM cooking goes that far? Will you be willing to deal without applications that you use to have something else?
Just something to keep in mind.
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So basically, if there are ROMs that affect the software, devs will need to "choose" which ROM to use their software on. Although this is a little extreme and MOST of the time this won't be an issue, what if ROM cooking goes that far? Will you be willing to deal without applications that you use to have something else?
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If the developers were using private APIs during the development of their application, then the fact they are broken on Cupcake is likely to be their own fault for using an API which is not necessarily static and therefore liable to change. If they only used public APIs, then it is Googles fault for changing those APIs, or the behaviour of those APIs.
This is one of the "problems" with Android being open source - you can't realistically hide the private APIs from developers since they can see them being used in the source code, and thus may be tempted to use them when in reality they should be restricting themselves to just the public APIs to ensure forwards and backwards compatibility.
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Dave
I have to agree with everyone who wants to keep things in one.
This does NOT mean that different people can't add particular modifications to what is available, it just means distributing these things as smaller components.
Start with the stock ADP1.5 image. If you want multitouch, apply the update.zip that provides multitouch (and nothing else). If you want tethering, apply the update.zip that provides the kernel with netfilter. If you want a skin (or whatever you want to call it), apply the update.zip that provides it. There is no point in bundling everything together in full system images since all this does is it makes the downloads huge and creates incompatibilities.
For example, I have always used the stock ADP firmware. I have looked at JF's full go and found that while nice, it adds things that I don't want and leaves out things that I do want, which means that it would end up being equal work to adjust those builds into something that I want as it would end up being to modify the stock image. The deciding factor is that I know exactly how my changes work against the stock image and I don't necessarily know what changes JF has made to his.
Actually since most builds are only file-based (i.e. changing some files in /system), could we make a program that (with root, of course) download the difference and apply them? Like an android market for firmware builds or say an apt for android.
Then user get the freedom to choose what they want and can go back to previous versions easily when things go wrong.
To be safe, it could just use symbolic links to apply updates, so restoring will be easier and gives the internal flash a longer life.
So in case you did did know, Cyanogen has said that they are not dropping D/S support but rather Cyanogen himself was stopping the managing of the D/S branch (he was previously the one in charge of D/S). This is why we are seeing these "unofficial nightlies"
Cwirl has come out and said that the team is looking for someone to manage the D/S branch. They want someone who uses the D/S as their daily.
Has anyone taken this position?
I am hoping Firerat or Ezterry will be the white knight for D/S
Come on some one please.... take charge for D/S
I dont want to make my "Dream" a paper weight which is not wrecked actually ;-)
I believe that Ezterry or Firerat would do that.
A lot of you are familiar (and have asked) why we don't just have/ask Ezterry and Firerat to take over maintainership. While I like this idea, it would be up to them to decide if they wanted to do so, and, personally, I wouldn't want to feel like CM squashed their creativity and personal efforts. They are doing their own thing right now, and deserve all the props to them for it. If they want to take part in CM, then awesome, we'd welcome it. But thats gotta be a choice they make. Their work can be found on XDA, and is currently your best chance of a 100% Gingerbread install for the DS line.
via:ciwrl at CM
Why does etzerry or firerat have to belong to CM?
they are developing there own rom right now. How would belonging to CM officially help them in any way?
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Why does etzerry or firerat have to belong to CM?
they are developing there own rom right now. How would belonging to CM officially help them in any way?
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Not to mention I like their stuff way better than anything CM.
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Why does etzerry or firerat have to belong to CM?
they are developing there own rom right now. How would belonging to CM officially help them in any way?
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Personally, I would love to see etzerry/firehat to work with CM. So far I've observed all they have to do is maintain an overlay and the rest almost happens by magic and by itself (such as AOSP bugfixes, cm-features, etc)
Also, joining forces in a such scenario like it is now would work better for D/S users.
I hope that they commit their progress to CM also because it looks like that ezterry work is working better than current CM D/S development. It would be better for everyone since there are a lot of CM-users that freakly test every CM-nightly. More people = more fun
However, I do understand ezterry and firehat position. I believe that working apart from CM allows faster development and to get away from cyanogen and cyanogenMOD project shadow...
Personally, now ezterry/firehat development away from CM looks to work great, but in the feature I think I trust more in a big, constantly maintained project like CM
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Personally, I would love to see etzerry/firehat to work with CM. So far I've observed all they have to do is maintain an overlay and the rest almost happens by magic and by itself (such as AOSP bugfixes, cm-features, etc)
Personally, now ezterry/firehat development away from CM looks to work great, but in the feature I think I trust more in a big, constantly maintained project like CM
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I have never been a fan of CM and done all I can to stay away from his roms and bases but that is just personal choice and the base for my next bit.
I hope Terry and Firerat stay away from the CM group and keep as they are which is independent coders that work well together as this offers users an alternative to CM. It appears if the G1 community lost these two fine individuals then what choice would we have on anything? CM bases roms are all over the forums in some incarnation or other but for those of us that prefer a different flavour in ASOP builds or builds not built around CM then we would loose that one thing that makes this phone so great and as they say variety is the spice of life.
@Terry & Firerat - Simply, thank you.
Kinda mixed feelings. i think there's a lot to be gained from joining forces, in terms of faster access to bug reports and bug fixes. More eyes on the code can only be a good thing, particularly at the kernel level. At the user level, with the various customizations, not sure if there's much to be gained.
But I gotta admit, I really like the notification bar power widget, and miss it when I'm on a plain Froyo build. (Which right now is only on my TP2. And if I could get a decent/stable CM6.1 for my TP2, I'd run it happily.)
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@Terry & Firerat - Simply, thank you.
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+1 !
shadowch31 said:
I hope Terry and Firerat stay away from the CM group and keep as they are which is independent coders that work well together as this offers users an alternative to CM. It appears if the G1 community lost these two fine individuals then what choice would we have on anything? CM bases roms are all over the forums in some incarnation or other but for those of us that prefer a different flavour in ASOP builds or builds not built around CM then we would loose that one thing that makes this phone so great and as they say variety is the spice of life.
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They are all based on CM because CM provides what developers need to do whatever they want. An actively maintained source. That's even one more reason that, independently of Terry/Firehat developing is own ROM or not is always a plus to merge their achievements on CM.
Note that I am not against/favor whatever should Terry/Firehat in particular do. They do whatever they want! I am just using as an example to discuss general android/xda/etc development philosophy
Theres no reason they need to merge. Its not like either team doesn't openly share their source code. New code and bug fixes flow both ways. And in the long run, its always better to have more choices.
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Theres no reason they need to merge. Its not like either team doesn't openly share their source code. New code and bug fixes flow both ways. And in the long run, its always better to have more choices.
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+1 I'm scared if they join CM we will never get their insightful answers to our questions. How many times has Terry or Firerat been the one to shed light on your problem? Most everyone here has benefited or been enlightened by these two devs. I can't speak for everybody but Cyanogen has never wasted his time on my problems. I hope they do whatever they want to do. It's time to buy new phones and I want the phone that these two devs move to next.
I took up Tmobile on their offer for a free G2.....i feel kind of like a traitor.....but i love the phone
hopefully they do keep updating the phone along with cm...im keeping my old one and will continue updating and playing with it.....
and i highly recommend the g2
I agree with shadow... I think the days of CM for the G1 should come to an end. It has been a wonderful run, but yes...it is time for something else for these phones...
Here is what I posted in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916770
"Who cares? I mean really.. I'm not trying to be a douche by any means. But think of this... We have TONS upon TONS of stuff for the G1 already... Metamorphs to make it "look" like Gingerbread, ton of apps, etc...
Why not let the newer phones have their chance too??
I say we take the software that has been bestowed upon us and improve it. Make it fast, more stable, etc. I mean really... Do we honestly need 45 ringtones, 27 notifications, news and weather, and all that extra "bloatware" in these ROMS right out the gate?
I think maybe we should focus on making a ROM or ROMS smaller, faster, nicer, etc. I know I for one don't "need" all that extra stuff in the ROM... And if I did, I could install it my SD card, keeping the ROM lightweight, fast and stable.
Now, I am not developer, but I damn sure am NOT afraid to try new stuff on my phone. Look at my sig... The ROM I'm running is stupid fast and stupid stable, and I still stripped out over 10MB of "extra" stuff, and still have all the functionality that it was meant to have."
**Just an example of some of the "extra" things we could do to these phones... Think of the PSP field... People, including myself, have modded these to the extreme! Lighted triggers, etc... Check out my sig and click on the last link...
Awesome discussion going on here. I really like the ezterry and firerat's work for gingerbread on D/S. These two developers are really superior developers in the android community. They both work at the source level producing totally authentic roms. Also Looking at cm they are also still at the nighlies and we are at alpha. It does take time to port something new and at the speed we are going is really amazing we had basically nothing working at the beginning. Now almost everything works on the ezterry's gingerbread for D/S. What we need now is just some speed enhancement and some bugfixes. I believe over no time we will have a really good gingerbread rom that can be a daily driver. Also there are people working on the CM7 for dream sapphire as well. I am sure we will definately see CM7 stable on our devices as well even if it takes some more time.
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I have never been a fan of CM and done all I can to stay away from his roms and bases but that is just personal choice and the base for my next bit.
I hope Terry and Firerat stay away from the CM group and keep as they are which is independent coders that work well together as this offers users an alternative to CM. It appears if the G1 community lost these two fine individuals then what choice would we have on anything? CM bases roms are all over the forums in some incarnation or other but for those of us that prefer a different flavour in ASOP builds or builds not built around CM then we would loose that one thing that makes this phone so great and as they say variety is the spice of life.
@Terry & Firerat - Simply, thank you.
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I take a whole different approach. Cyanogen really has been here for us for a very long time. He was not the first, nor he will not be the last great modder. But you cannot say that the impact CM made is not significant. May I ask, one year before now, what mod did you run on your phone? Cyanogen? Dwangs? Enoms? Bens? WG-build? Kings? Hero? I'm willing to say that you probably tried all of them. They all had their ups and downs, but do you know which one of them is still on my nandroid? CM4.2.15.1. For me, that was the most stable build.
Many phones came out since then and devs came and went. Some were skilled wonders like cyanogen and some just copied and pasted bits and pieces. I particularly remember Eclair. It was basically kick ass when we had the first builds out even though everything was broken. I used to use king's 1.9 as it was the fastest. Slowly, everything started falling into place. Live wallpapers were taken apart and optimized, features were added, NCommander helped to reverse engineer the camera, 3D drivers came in (which F*cked up the Live Wallpapers, a problem we still have to this day lol, just try to run the nexus LWP on OE and tell me how crazy smooth it is). The only problem left was the camcorder. By then OpenEclair led by Wes Garner was the best. Finally 1.3 came out and it was amazing. Wes opened a new thread on the very promising OE2.0, but that quickly faded. From that point, I can't remember how much time has passed. People were over the thrill of eclair and going back to donut. Then out of nowhere CM comes out with the test builds of CM5.0.7. EVERYTHING WORKED! Noone else was able to do this. He wrote drivers from scratch. Just ask Jubeh, he was never able to make the camcorder work on his AOSP build. The kernel was a much newer 2.6.32, performance was amazing. It really breathed new life into my phone.
By the time of Google IO when Froyo dropped by, CM was at 5.0.8 and he decided to expand his team from just the Nexus, Droid, and G1 to 7 more devices like the desire and the hero. That is probably when our phones started to suffer a little. Instead of being more tailored to our specific device, it became more tailored to the higher end phones. CM6 finally rolled out and everyone was super exited again. The system required more resources than Cyan's hacked together drivers could deliver. People started complaining, and this is when the complaints about Cyanogenmod really started coming in. When the MT3G OTA rolled out a few months later people in the G1 section had a little bit of a sour taste from CM. People complained and moaned, and hell, some guy even cursed him out on twitter for an issue with MMS (who remembers "FIX THE ****ING GODDAMN SMS"). I think that was the last straw for Cyan, he put the G1 more as a backburner than a daily driver, I mean, Who would you invest time with, a community that cares for your work (Nexus) or one that complains and curses him out (G1)? If we were a little more patient and more supportive I'm sure most of you guys complaining now really wouldn't be.
Since then I've got a G2. I love the phone, and I love CM. Gingerbread is awsome, neocore tops at 58 FPS, quadrant easily reaches 3000, the works. I've really been removed from the G1 section since then, so I can't really comment on ezterry's roms (Somehow my G1 has an exploded battery lol, and I haven't used it in weeks).
I really did not mean to write a story, and thanks for those who took the time to read it, and sorry if anything is out of chronological order. I guess the moral of this whole long story, is that you should treat your devs with respect. You guys are sitting with 3 year old hardware, and just because someone isn't here anymore to defend his work doesn't mean you **** on his work.
Lol, I'm too melancholic, so I 'm just gonna list the things I remember most about this section.
-my first time flashing a radio. My phone rebooted and I was going totally crazy
-use the search! Don't post in development! Your mom is ugly! posts
-"bricking my phone" I spazzed out when I accidentally did a fastboot wipe and my phone wouldn't turn on LOL
-first time I saw the droid red eye boot up on my phone and using LWP's
-the whole incident with Kingklick when he used his winzip skills to copy jubeh's rom, and ended up with all his threads closed. Poor guy (where we got "kanged from")
-Using CM6 for the first time with all the extra options under CM parts!
-Before Firerat the genius came up with custom MTD, we had to run hero roms with system apps in both system and data, and everything else on sdcard!
I better stop now, its getting late lol. I guess my sig sums it up best:
"Thanks to all the devs that make me love my phone!"
I have been using this build for quite a while now and decided to write a review of the ROM. Please keep in mind I am not a developer !!! I am simply writing this from a user standpoint and cannot nor will not support your problems. This is a review based on my opinions and usage of the ROM.
Pros:
I do like the UI. It is fairly stable and I haven't had much trouble out of it for the most part. The combination of ADW Launcher and the Cyanogen settings are great. The speed of the ROM is pretty good for a ported ROM based on GingerBread. I can't complain much about that. General things that I like are the advanced menus for customizing the dock and theme settings. The themed settings change icons for contacts, mail, messaging, phone, browser,calendar, and videos ( I may have missed some). The cyanogen settings cover an array of things that you can poke at but in my opinion should be included with stock builds as well. Overall if you were wanting to use this on a daily basis I think you would be ok to go ahead and install this ROM... NOTE: Don't hold me responsible if you brick your phone trying. It isn't one of the easiest roms I've
ever installed. The sleep policy has been fixed so that the phone doesn't reboot on unlock...which on my first flash hadn't been fixed and really really turned me off from this ROM.
Cons: I have yet to figure out why this is (again not a dev) but your microSD card will not mount when connected to the pc. I'm sure they are working on this but I haven't downloaded an update or nightly (which is current at the time of this post btw) that has fixed it. I do have some random picky things that I can't get an answer to, and good luck if you do...feel free to send them to me also. Some of my .mp3 ringtones will not work period. Different ones of even larger file size work... I'm not sure how that works out. Text messaging (native) doesn't work for incoming or outgoing... But I will say that I was having issues with that before so I can't blame that on this ROM. There are a few apps that won't work with this build easy uninstaller is one, I just get a fc. Battery is another issue that may be addressed with future releases. I don't run GPS (so don't ask if it's accurate) but keep wifi on all the time. I get probably about 8 hours with wifi on all the time. Not the best but definitely not the worst. You also cannot charge the phone while it is off... really not sure why, and the extended power menu doesn't work. And for the most part is an in depth install procedure... Back to stock with odin, flash two kernals, then a couple of files... Pretty lengthy and you have to be precise or else it bricks. Here it is if your interested... Thanks to MobileTechVideos for the instructions and video.
How to install CyanogenMod7
Other than that I have had virtually no problems (that I consider major) with this ROM and do like it and will probably continue to use it. If you have any general questions please feel free to ask. Again, again... I am not a dev so questions of that nature should be posted here: CyanogenMod7
I tried it and liked what works but it is still alpha quality and so i will wait for a few weeks until i give it another shot.
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I tried it and liked what works but it is still alpha quality and so i will wait for a few weeks until i give it another shot.
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I agree, it is definitely still a beta build and as noted by Cyanogen... hasn't been put into the stable build section of their forums. I do look forward to a stable build. Perhaps the Dev's can address some of the weird issues that I mentioned above.
i also was not able to send multi media mms never would go through i tried for 20 mins to receive and send ,
this rom is great but here is why it sucks, i watch the cyanogen nightlies for the galaxy s phones, and with the types of updates im seeing on the cappy versus lets say the vibrant , there is no ****ing hope and this rom is dead.
the last update fixed an install file wtf. so at this rate cyanogen will be rc in o id say next year. ill have a new phone by then. my money is on miui
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I agree, it is definitely still a beta build and as noted by Cyanogen... hasn't been put into the stable build section of their forums. I do look forward to a stable build. Perhaps the Dev's can address some of the weird issues that I mentioned above.
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Well you completely forgot to mention that, currently it cannot handle lots of video format, most importantly mkv and even if you find something like Rock Player, there's a lot of lag in it. You cannot charge the phone while its off (because it'll turn on as soon as you plug the charger in). Also, you might encounter a totally new problem which you may not have an idea about. If captivate is your spare phone then play with it else stay away for a while until a RC is released.
This is just my opinion from 3 days of experience on CM7.
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It was a total flop for me :/
It ran well when I first installed it, but started running "funny" (random crashing) after I installed gapps, then totally started crapping out after the 3/16 update.
I ended up ditching it for a 2.2 rom, mostly because I didn't feel I was gaining anything substantive and losing things I regularly use, like a feature rich camera app and divx playback support.
Been running for 3 days. 0 problems.
I've ran into a few bugs. External SD, booting when usb plugged in. Only charging to 95% (apparently a feature not a bug). At one point my signal shot down to searching, then it recovered and grabbed a signal. Not sure what caused that, but it was random.
I also cannot get it to mount to my PC. Kind of annoying, but if I need to transfer anything I just use dropbox.
I like it, and I think I'll keep with it. Even though it isn't 100%, I love gingerbread, and it's working for me.
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Well you completely forgot to mention that, currently it cannot handle lots of video format, most importantly mkv and even if you find something like Rock Player, there's a lot of lag in it. You cannot charge the phone while its off (because it'll turn on as soon as you plug the charger in). Also, you might encounter a totally new problem which you may not have an idea about. If captivate is your spare phone then play with it else stay away for a while until a RC is released.
This is just my opinion from 3 days of experience on CM7.
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I did forget that you cannot charge the phone while off and now that you mention it the extended power menu doesn't work either. It is fairly aggravating that Cyanogen updates the vibrant with "real" fixes other than this fixing little things but... All in all, it is still usable, just not stable or reliable.
Every time I try and warn someone that CM7 is not yet ready for primetime I get bashed for it, yet there seem to be plenty of people echoing my comments. Like I said in another thread, the people that are saying CM7 is stable and works great are either not using their device to its full potential or are willing to live without certain features. There is really no compelling reason to live with a ROM that has this many bugs or deficiencies when you consider how many really good ROMs there are available for our Cappys that have few, if any, issues. Yeah, they may not have Gingerbready theming or cutesy animations, but they just work. Andromeda 1.2 is one that comes to mind.
I am on it from I think last friday...Not a single problem...atleast how i use it...of course except battery life...which I am trying to solve...
Rock player worked well for me...I watched couple of movies when I was on road....never lagged just stopped couple of times....
great GPS...instant locks...i am amazed...But I also tried MIUI...and it is very very fast...and something different which I never experienced before...I think people should give it a try...ofcourse it has bugs too as it based on CM7...but they fixed camera bug and little stuff.....
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Every time I try and warn someone that CM7 is not yet ready for primetime I get bashed for it, yet there seem to be plenty of people echoing my comments. Like I said in another thread, the people that are saying CM7 is stable and works great are either not using their device to its full potential or are willing to live without certain features. There is really no compelling reason to live with a ROM that has this many bugs or deficiencies when you consider how many really good ROMs there are available for our Cappys that have few, if any, issues. Yeah, they may not have Gingerbready theming or cutesy animations, but they just work. Andromeda 1.2 is one that comes to mind.
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I am by no means saying that it is ready for the masses... The only one that I would suggest without a second thought to someone who isn't willing to deal with at least some problems is Cognition Series by DesignGears. To my knowledge (and opinion) this is the absolute best rom for the captivate. IF ... Cyanogen gets to the point of a Cognition rom in function and use, then I might suggest it for the masses but not until then.
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Every time I try and warn someone that CM7 is not yet ready for primetime I get bashed for it, yet there seem to be plenty of people echoing my comments. Like I said in another thread, the people that are saying CM7 is stable and works great are either not using their device to its full potential or are willing to live without certain features. There is really no compelling reason to live with a ROM that has this many bugs or deficiencies when you consider how many really good ROMs there are available for our Cappys that have few, if any, issues. Yeah, they may not have Gingerbready theming or cutesy animations, but they just work. Andromeda 1.2 is one that comes to mind.
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Your right in regard to it not being ready for most users (many are already praising the miui 2.3.3 also which is even less stable.....not saying it isn't promising). I think it breaks into 2 camps.
1. If you are a power user that wants all aspects of your device to function as intended...not for you. More specifically, If you use an external SD especially if your moving files to and from mounted to a PC....this is not the rom for you (this is my biggest gripe at this point). If you do lots of video in different formats...not for you as you will face compatibility issues. If you have to ask how your flash back to stock....this is probably not for you. If you value battery life as a top priority...not yet for you. Most of the other deficiencies or shortcomings had adequate work arounds but you until the major issues are resolved you will quickly find yourself flashing back to Phoenix, Firefly, Serendipity, Andromeda, etc.)
2. If you don't use and external SD and/or do much media vid/music then i can see why many view this as "stable" for their purposes. The UI, menus, and animations are smooth/fast and i never really had any issues with force closes while using it. Maybe its better linguistically to say its incomplete rather than refer to is as unstable and sorry if it offends the early adopters but if you are using it as your daily driver its pretty obvious you are using an inferior rom @ this point.
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I am by no means saying that it is ready for the masses... The only one that I would suggest without a second thought to someone who isn't willing to deal with at least some problems is Cognition Series by DesignGears. To my knowledge (and opinion) this is the absolute best rom for the captivate. IF ... Cyanogen gets to the point of a Cognition rom in function and use, then I might suggest it for the masses but not until then.
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i would easily put a handful of roms on par with cognition:
Firefly, Supernova, Phoenix, Serendipity, Andromeda.
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Your right in regard to it not being ready for most users (many are already praising the miui 2.3.3 also which is even less stable.....not saying it isn't promising). I think it breaks into 2 camps.
1. If you are a power user that wants all aspects of your device to function as intended...not for you. More specifically, If you use an external SD especially if your moving files to and from mounted to a PC....this is not the rom for you (this is my biggest gripe at this point). If you do lots of video in different formats...not for you as you will face compatibility issues. If you have to ask how your flash back to stock....this is probably not for you. If you value battery life as a top priority...not yet for you. Most of the other deficiencies or shortcomings had adequate work arounds but you until the major issues are resolved you will quickly find yourself flashing back to Phoenix, Firefly, Serendipity, Andromeda, etc.)
2. If you don't use and external SD and/or do much media vid/music then i can see why many view this as "stable" for their purposes. The UI, menus, and animations are smooth/fast and i never really had any issues with force closes while using it. Maybe its better linguistically to say its incomplete rather than refer to is as unstable and sorry if it offends the early adopters but if you are using it as your daily driver its pretty obvious you are using an inferior rom @ this point.
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Excellent post.
Glad to see users sharing their experience on CM7. This is always good foe the community. I hope to see new users to read this thread prior to making any decision whether to flash CM7 2.3.3 or not.
On another note, I'm sure once Samsung do final release of Gingerbread 2.3.3 for i9000 series (last I heard that an early beta was released), we cappyites will see stable release.
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Regarding the phone turning on when charging, I believe it's a gingerbread "feature". It's been said that it is working as intended. Also, the iphone does the same thing so I don't really see it as an issue. It's probably google seeing behavior they like and implementing it.
You can not mount the external sd but you can transfer to your internal then on the phone transfer to external, so I am not certain it Is fair to say you can not use your external sd. Video is an issue, and battery is as well.
At this point in time it is a trade off, there are several things cm7 can't do well or can not do at all. there are also several things it does much better than any 2.2 rom or are not available on 2.2 roms.
Its all preference and priorities. Kinda like any best rom discussion.
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Every time I try and warn someone that CM7 is not yet ready for primetime I get bashed for it, yet there seem to be plenty of people echoing my comments. Like I said in another thread, the people that are saying CM7 is stable and works great are either not using their device to its full potential or are willing to live without certain features. There is really no compelling reason to live with a ROM that has this many bugs or deficiencies when you consider how many really good ROMs there are available for our Cappys that have few, if any, issues. Yeah, they may not have Gingerbready theming or cutesy animations, but they just work. Andromeda 1.2 is one that comes to mind.
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Largely it its because you have never used it, and have only tried one rom. That and you are compelled to jump on any thread that mentions it as if it is a personal mission. It its not as if you do not make some valid points, but it is not hard to see why it may rub some the wrong way after a while.
This is not an attempt to start something, but your comments make it seem like there is no warrant to people who go back at you.
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Largely it its because you have never used it, and have only tried one rom. That and you are compelled to jump on any thread that mentions it as if it is a personal mission. It its not as if you do not make some valid points, but it is not hard to see why it may rub some the wrong way after a while.
This is not an attempt to start something, but your comments make it seem like there is no warrant to people who go back at you.
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Agreed... I was not trying to start a thread to bash any rom. However I do know that there are some hard feelings that are out based on certain features that work or don't and peoples impressions about the ROM itself. I also know that there is quite a bit of loyalty to certain ROM creators that no matter what they aren't going to be going to a new ROM simply because they are loyal to that dev... which is fine! I simply wanted to create an avenue for people who have used the ROM to pass along information and opinions on the ROM to people who are thinking about switching to it. People are entitled to their opinions and I am all for that... Just don't bash any of the devs or their work, it is not easy putting this stuff together and I for one am happy that I have a place I can go to that allows me to get away from stock. I hope that all will realize that
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Largely it its because you have never used it, and have only tried one rom. That and you are compelled to jump on any thread that mentions it as if it is a personal mission. It its not as if you do not make some valid points, but it is not hard to see why it may rub some the wrong way after a while.
This is not an attempt to start something, but your comments make it seem like there is no warrant to people who go back at you.
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The terminology might be better as incomplete instead of unstable. great post.
Folks... double-edged sword here. The CEO of my company wants a phone with a big screen, and came to me for input. He's not interested in an iPhone (not sure why, but I didn't press the matter), and is open to Android. I've been using a Captivate for 9 months and have played around with tons of ROMs for that device, so I know the pitfalls with custom ROMs.
My question for you all is this: if you had to recommend a ROM for the Infuse, what would it be (including stock ATT&T)? He's pretty much the typical CEO, with the added bonus of being fairly approachable and willing to try new things. But I CANNOT piss him off. He's the CEO, after all.
Thanks!
I'd look for something by GTG, Entropy or LinuxBozo in the development section. They all look good to me. Go with something like stock but with additional features. Noone needs CM7 on their first android.
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I'd look for something by GTG, Entropy or LinuxBozo in the development section. They all look good to me. Go with something like stock but with additional features. Noone needs CM7 on their first android.
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Thanks for the quick response. Have you any personal experience with any of them?
I'd suggest one of the initial Infused ROMs like 1.5.3. I know that's only going to be Froyo, but I think that would be more usable and stable for his uses than trying to go with one of the current Gingerbread builds. I doubt he's going to want to keep up with updates unless he's surprisingly tech savvy.
I'd go with infused 1.5.0 and personally still use 1.5.0 (no loopy, no slightly weird haptic feedback stuff that my phone got in 1.5.3)
+1 on infused 1.5.0. 1.5.3 does have a weird thing going on with haptic feedback. but loopy smoothness makes a difference, so maybe that could be added.
I also think the stable release of infused v2 is good. but if he hopes to use the hdmi mhl adapter then its a no-go. v2 is rogers based and they didn't get hdmi capabilities in canada for some odd reason. also the att rom and modem get better speeds, even after the "fix" I don't get quite the transfer rates that the att firmware offered but gingerbread seems to have much improved browsing performance so its not a big deal to me. other than that I can't think of any issues with it.
I'd say Infused 1.x. If he REALLY wants Gingerbread, Infused 2.x, but that's still a work in progress. Infused 2.x is my "daily driver" but it has some known issues. (I just don't care about said issues as they don't affect me - I'm still trying to help fix them if I can. Data speeds I can't work on as I live in the boonies, we've only had 3G for two years!)
There are no ROMs from Bozo and I - we're kernel hackers. (Exception: LB is working on a CM7 port but it is NOWHERE near ready).
Actually, any of the Froyo ROMs are very solid. There's only one Gingerbread ROM out now.
The nice thing about the Infuse is that our devs coordinate with each other. As a result, in terms of ROMs and Kernels, currently it's "quality not quantity". We don't have any "hey look I can deodex too!" ROMs. (at least not yet)
I'm loving Infused v2 and use the Bluetooth pairing daily in my car. Its been as stable, if not moreso, than stock. The browser also doesn't checkerboard like stock did - which is a big win if you're looking forward to browsing the web on this huge screen.
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I'd say Infused 1.x. If he REALLY wants Gingerbread, Infused 2.x, but that's still a work in progress. Infused 2.x is my "daily driver" but it has some known issues. (I just don't care about said issues as they don't affect me - I'm still trying to help fix them if I can. Data speeds I can't work on as I live in the boonies, we've only had 3G for two years!)
There are no ROMs from Bozo and I - we're kernel hackers. (Exception: LB is working on a CM7 port but it is NOWHERE near ready).
Actually, any of the Froyo ROMs are very solid. There's only one Gingerbread ROM out now.
The nice thing about the Infuse is that our devs coordinate with each other. As a result, in terms of ROMs and Kernels, currently it's "quality not quantity". We don't have any "hey look I can deodex too!" ROMs. (at least not yet)
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well there is that one guy working on CM7 (but you have to compile it yourself)
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well there is that one guy working on CM7 (but you have to compile it yourself)
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You quoted me, but you clearly didn't read what you quoted...
I thought discussion of "best" rom was forbidden on xda?
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You quoted me, but you clearly didn't read what you quoted...
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probably only skimmed it and saw "one" and "gingerbread rom" and mixed things the wrong way.
whoops.
Thanks for your input folks!
I really appreciate the input from everyone. Methinks I'll try Infused based on what you all have said. Here goes nuttin....
I know my post count is low... but I am a senior level dude w/ 10 years at my current company and am speaking from personal experience here (albeit from the iOS side). Unless your CEO is capable of flashing ROMs and troubleshooting issues on his own, my advice is to leave it bone stock. Show him some cool apps on the Market, point him to XDA, answer questions that he may have, hell maybe even suggest checking out the dev section and looking into aftermarket ROMs. But once you modify his phone, it now becomes your responsibility and CEOs work 24x7x365...
I guess I'm just really surprised that I'm the only one here who thinks this might be a bad idea, and maybe I'm just an old fart but I just wanted to provide some experience from the flip side of the coin. I assume you've already flashed - so good luck man!
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Data speeds I can't work on as I live in the boonies, we've only had 3G for two years!)
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We just got 3g about 8 months ago...
Also, no development occurs in a one Rom per niche town. That's not a good thing that there are no can deodex too Roms.
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I know my post count is low... but I am a senior level dude w/ 10 years at my current company and am speaking from personal experience here (albeit from the iOS side). Unless your CEO is capable of flashing ROMs and troubleshooting issues on his own, my advice is to leave it bone stock. Show him some cool apps on the Market, point him to XDA, answer questions that he may have, hell maybe even suggest checking out the dev section and looking into aftermarket ROMs. But once you modify his phone, it now becomes your responsibility and CEOs work 24x7x365...
I guess I'm just really surprised that I'm the only one here who thinks this might be a bad idea, and maybe I'm just an old fart but I just wanted to provide some experience from the flip side of the coin. I assume you've already flashed - so good luck man!
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agree.
If you or your boss can handle any issue that may arise,say,boot loops
If you both are noobs then stick with stock.
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I know my post count is low... but I am a senior level dude w/ 10 years at my current company and am speaking from personal experience here (albeit from the iOS side). Unless your CEO is capable of flashing ROMs and troubleshooting issues on his own, my advice is to leave it bone stock. Show him some cool apps on the Market, point him to XDA, answer questions that he may have, hell maybe even suggest checking out the dev section and looking into aftermarket ROMs. But once you modify his phone, it now becomes your responsibility and CEOs work 24x7x365...
I guess I'm just really surprised that I'm the only one here who thinks this might be a bad idea, and maybe I'm just an old fart but I just wanted to provide some experience from the flip side of the coin. I assume you've already flashed - so good luck man!
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I could not agree more. I am a Senior IT Support Engineer and my CEO is a gadget guy who has to have to the newest toys. I would NEVER load a custom ROM on one of his devices EVER as this would put me in a very bad position especially if his device suddenly started acting flakey. Keep it stock and show him some apps and he will be perfectly happy using the phone and if you are like me get him to buy you an Infuse and you can play around with yours and when you find a good stable platform then upgrade his device to that. I always get an identical device to the CEO because he wants me to be able to assist him with issues. I know everyone isn't as lucky as me but it can sometimes be a serious PIA as he will call me constantly with stupid questions.
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I could not agree more. I am a Senior IT Support Engineer and my CEO is a gadget guy who has to have to the newest toys. I would NEVER load a custom ROM on one of his devices EVER as this would put me in a very bad position especially if his device suddenly started acting flakey. Keep it stock and show him some apps and he will be perfectly happy using the phone and if you are like me get him to buy you an Infuse and you can play around with yours and when you find a good stable platform then upgrade his device to that. I always get an identical device to the CEO because he wants me to be able to assist him with issues. I know everyone isn't as lucky as me but it can sometimes be a serious PIA as he will call me constantly with stupid questions.
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+1 to Stock.
Unless he and you want to be tinkering all the time with each other.
Go for refuse 1.7. Good first ROM
Agreed on staying stock
Believe it or not, I was seriously considering staying stock anyway (for all the stated reasons), but wanted to get an idea of what some of the 'better' (a highly subjective term, I know) ROMs were based on people's opinions, as a means of comparison. Fortunately for me, he got called out of town so I now have a week to live with the device for awhile and learn it's idiosyncrasies and whatnot.
So, unless stock proves to suck, (which I doubt), I'll keep it that way.
Thanks all for your input.
Here are some of my thoughts on CyanogenMod, and their development advances. Please, discus...
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Here are some of my thoughts on CyanogenMod, and their development advances. Please, discus...
http://goo.gl/ndfAi
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Thank
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Don't see a whole lot of rant in that post, but anyway. I feel that your view on whether to go CM or MIUI is spot on. I understand that people have a preference, but when I have seen and tried devices with both I end up with largely the same experience. Taste is all it comes down to!
i am very thankful for Cyanogen Mod. Never tried MIUI
can send mms with cyanogenmod?
I liked CM7, very fast and lots of memory
the only thing was I couldn't synchronize my contacts with FB profiles pics like in HTC sense
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I liked CM7, very fast and lots of memory
the only thing was I couldn't synchronize my contacts with FB profiles pics like in HTC sense
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That is because Google removed the ability unless you installed the FB app
Herold,
I need you to work on your writing a bit more before you submit a piece to be critiqued. Proper apostrophe placement is not only a pet peeve of mine, but a clear indication of someone who refused to pay a very small amount of attention in English class.
Sincerely,
The ****
I'm glad that there are so many developers interested in porting CM to various devices. It's the only thing that makes using a non-Google phone/tablet usable for me. I can't wait for stable CM9.
I love CM, the ability for themes is awesome. I currently use the ICS theme and it doesn't even look close to stock Gingerbread. And it is the most stable ROM that I've experienced, too.
Nice post, I never tried AOSP or MIUI and just recently got into using CM roms. Gave me more information on the new roms I've been seeing. I would agree you don't rant too much nor go into too much detail as the pros or cons of each variation of the mods.
I had CM7 with my Desire Z,
now with Sensation, I'm currently tryin InsertCoin 4.0.X
Can't really deside, both have their ways
I am hoping that they port over CM7 or CM9 to the sensation xl. Im currently running the bindroid rom which is good but really holding out for cyanogenMod.
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I am hoping that they port over CM7 or CM9 to the sensation xl. Im currently running the bindroid rom which is good but really holding out for cyanogenMod.
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I hope so too. I'm planning to buy the Sensation XL. But won't do unless i make sure there will be CM7 or 9 Port
i tried CM and MIUI and i prefer MIUI absolutely!
In my opinion, I think that CyanogenMod will surpass stock Android when it comes to features and stability, eventually.
It probably already has... when you consider that its on yaffs2 and not ext4
Stability?
I have been using CM7 ever since I got tired of rooted stock. The first version I installed was 7.0.0, which lasted about 4 months until it started wigging out. I flashed 7.0.3, and that was great until three weeks later it started exhibiting the same problems as the previous version. I reflashed the same version and had a little more success, lasting without error until 7.1.0 Stable was released. Since October, I've had to reflash at LEAST 5 times, due to instability. Now don't get me wrong, when CM7 works it REALLY works well. When it doesn't...my phone is worthless until I reflash. I would LOVE to know why everything starts force closing after x amount of time, as I'm really getting tired of setting things up the way I want them each and every time. *steps down from soap box*
i loved CM7 on my N1
Good too read a review about something which isn't commercially developed.