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CyanogenMod7 Review (as I see it)

I have been using this build for quite a while now and decided to write a review of the ROM. Please keep in mind I am not a developer !!! I am simply writing this from a user standpoint and cannot nor will not support your problems. This is a review based on my opinions and usage of the ROM.
Pros:
I do like the UI. It is fairly stable and I haven't had much trouble out of it for the most part. The combination of ADW Launcher and the Cyanogen settings are great. The speed of the ROM is pretty good for a ported ROM based on GingerBread. I can't complain much about that. General things that I like are the advanced menus for customizing the dock and theme settings. The themed settings change icons for contacts, mail, messaging, phone, browser,calendar, and videos ( I may have missed some). The cyanogen settings cover an array of things that you can poke at but in my opinion should be included with stock builds as well. Overall if you were wanting to use this on a daily basis I think you would be ok to go ahead and install this ROM... NOTE: Don't hold me responsible if you brick your phone trying. It isn't one of the easiest roms I've
ever installed. The sleep policy has been fixed so that the phone doesn't reboot on unlock...which on my first flash hadn't been fixed and really really turned me off from this ROM.
Cons: I have yet to figure out why this is (again not a dev) but your microSD card will not mount when connected to the pc. I'm sure they are working on this but I haven't downloaded an update or nightly (which is current at the time of this post btw) that has fixed it. I do have some random picky things that I can't get an answer to, and good luck if you do...feel free to send them to me also. Some of my .mp3 ringtones will not work period. Different ones of even larger file size work... I'm not sure how that works out. Text messaging (native) doesn't work for incoming or outgoing... But I will say that I was having issues with that before so I can't blame that on this ROM. There are a few apps that won't work with this build easy uninstaller is one, I just get a fc. Battery is another issue that may be addressed with future releases. I don't run GPS (so don't ask if it's accurate) but keep wifi on all the time. I get probably about 8 hours with wifi on all the time. Not the best but definitely not the worst. You also cannot charge the phone while it is off... really not sure why, and the extended power menu doesn't work. And for the most part is an in depth install procedure... Back to stock with odin, flash two kernals, then a couple of files... Pretty lengthy and you have to be precise or else it bricks. Here it is if your interested... Thanks to MobileTechVideos for the instructions and video.
How to install CyanogenMod7
Other than that I have had virtually no problems (that I consider major) with this ROM and do like it and will probably continue to use it. If you have any general questions please feel free to ask. Again, again... I am not a dev so questions of that nature should be posted here: CyanogenMod7

I tried it and liked what works but it is still alpha quality and so i will wait for a few weeks until i give it another shot.

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I tried it and liked what works but it is still alpha quality and so i will wait for a few weeks until i give it another shot.
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I agree, it is definitely still a beta build and as noted by Cyanogen... hasn't been put into the stable build section of their forums. I do look forward to a stable build. Perhaps the Dev's can address some of the weird issues that I mentioned above.

i also was not able to send multi media mms never would go through i tried for 20 mins to receive and send ,
this rom is great but here is why it sucks, i watch the cyanogen nightlies for the galaxy s phones, and with the types of updates im seeing on the cappy versus lets say the vibrant , there is no ****ing hope and this rom is dead.
the last update fixed an install file wtf. so at this rate cyanogen will be rc in o id say next year. ill have a new phone by then. my money is on miui

NightFalcon27 said:
I agree, it is definitely still a beta build and as noted by Cyanogen... hasn't been put into the stable build section of their forums. I do look forward to a stable build. Perhaps the Dev's can address some of the weird issues that I mentioned above.
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Well you completely forgot to mention that, currently it cannot handle lots of video format, most importantly mkv and even if you find something like Rock Player, there's a lot of lag in it. You cannot charge the phone while its off (because it'll turn on as soon as you plug the charger in). Also, you might encounter a totally new problem which you may not have an idea about. If captivate is your spare phone then play with it else stay away for a while until a RC is released.
This is just my opinion from 3 days of experience on CM7.
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It was a total flop for me :/
It ran well when I first installed it, but started running "funny" (random crashing) after I installed gapps, then totally started crapping out after the 3/16 update.
I ended up ditching it for a 2.2 rom, mostly because I didn't feel I was gaining anything substantive and losing things I regularly use, like a feature rich camera app and divx playback support.

Been running for 3 days. 0 problems.
I've ran into a few bugs. External SD, booting when usb plugged in. Only charging to 95% (apparently a feature not a bug). At one point my signal shot down to searching, then it recovered and grabbed a signal. Not sure what caused that, but it was random.
I also cannot get it to mount to my PC. Kind of annoying, but if I need to transfer anything I just use dropbox.
I like it, and I think I'll keep with it. Even though it isn't 100%, I love gingerbread, and it's working for me.

krips2003 said:
Well you completely forgot to mention that, currently it cannot handle lots of video format, most importantly mkv and even if you find something like Rock Player, there's a lot of lag in it. You cannot charge the phone while its off (because it'll turn on as soon as you plug the charger in). Also, you might encounter a totally new problem which you may not have an idea about. If captivate is your spare phone then play with it else stay away for a while until a RC is released.
This is just my opinion from 3 days of experience on CM7.
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I did forget that you cannot charge the phone while off and now that you mention it the extended power menu doesn't work either. It is fairly aggravating that Cyanogen updates the vibrant with "real" fixes other than this fixing little things but... All in all, it is still usable, just not stable or reliable.

Every time I try and warn someone that CM7 is not yet ready for primetime I get bashed for it, yet there seem to be plenty of people echoing my comments. Like I said in another thread, the people that are saying CM7 is stable and works great are either not using their device to its full potential or are willing to live without certain features. There is really no compelling reason to live with a ROM that has this many bugs or deficiencies when you consider how many really good ROMs there are available for our Cappys that have few, if any, issues. Yeah, they may not have Gingerbready theming or cutesy animations, but they just work. Andromeda 1.2 is one that comes to mind.

I am on it from I think last friday...Not a single problem...atleast how i use it...of course except battery life...which I am trying to solve...
Rock player worked well for me...I watched couple of movies when I was on road....never lagged just stopped couple of times....
great GPS...instant locks...i am amazed...But I also tried MIUI...and it is very very fast...and something different which I never experienced before...I think people should give it a try...ofcourse it has bugs too as it based on CM7...but they fixed camera bug and little stuff.....

Miami_Son said:
Every time I try and warn someone that CM7 is not yet ready for primetime I get bashed for it, yet there seem to be plenty of people echoing my comments. Like I said in another thread, the people that are saying CM7 is stable and works great are either not using their device to its full potential or are willing to live without certain features. There is really no compelling reason to live with a ROM that has this many bugs or deficiencies when you consider how many really good ROMs there are available for our Cappys that have few, if any, issues. Yeah, they may not have Gingerbready theming or cutesy animations, but they just work. Andromeda 1.2 is one that comes to mind.
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I am by no means saying that it is ready for the masses... The only one that I would suggest without a second thought to someone who isn't willing to deal with at least some problems is Cognition Series by DesignGears. To my knowledge (and opinion) this is the absolute best rom for the captivate. IF ... Cyanogen gets to the point of a Cognition rom in function and use, then I might suggest it for the masses but not until then.

Miami_Son said:
Every time I try and warn someone that CM7 is not yet ready for primetime I get bashed for it, yet there seem to be plenty of people echoing my comments. Like I said in another thread, the people that are saying CM7 is stable and works great are either not using their device to its full potential or are willing to live without certain features. There is really no compelling reason to live with a ROM that has this many bugs or deficiencies when you consider how many really good ROMs there are available for our Cappys that have few, if any, issues. Yeah, they may not have Gingerbready theming or cutesy animations, but they just work. Andromeda 1.2 is one that comes to mind.
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Your right in regard to it not being ready for most users (many are already praising the miui 2.3.3 also which is even less stable.....not saying it isn't promising). I think it breaks into 2 camps.
1. If you are a power user that wants all aspects of your device to function as intended...not for you. More specifically, If you use an external SD especially if your moving files to and from mounted to a PC....this is not the rom for you (this is my biggest gripe at this point). If you do lots of video in different formats...not for you as you will face compatibility issues. If you have to ask how your flash back to stock....this is probably not for you. If you value battery life as a top priority...not yet for you. Most of the other deficiencies or shortcomings had adequate work arounds but you until the major issues are resolved you will quickly find yourself flashing back to Phoenix, Firefly, Serendipity, Andromeda, etc.)
2. If you don't use and external SD and/or do much media vid/music then i can see why many view this as "stable" for their purposes. The UI, menus, and animations are smooth/fast and i never really had any issues with force closes while using it. Maybe its better linguistically to say its incomplete rather than refer to is as unstable and sorry if it offends the early adopters but if you are using it as your daily driver its pretty obvious you are using an inferior rom @ this point.

NightFalcon27 said:
I am by no means saying that it is ready for the masses... The only one that I would suggest without a second thought to someone who isn't willing to deal with at least some problems is Cognition Series by DesignGears. To my knowledge (and opinion) this is the absolute best rom for the captivate. IF ... Cyanogen gets to the point of a Cognition rom in function and use, then I might suggest it for the masses but not until then.
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i would easily put a handful of roms on par with cognition:
Firefly, Supernova, Phoenix, Serendipity, Andromeda.

bames said:
Your right in regard to it not being ready for most users (many are already praising the miui 2.3.3 also which is even less stable.....not saying it isn't promising). I think it breaks into 2 camps.
1. If you are a power user that wants all aspects of your device to function as intended...not for you. More specifically, If you use an external SD especially if your moving files to and from mounted to a PC....this is not the rom for you (this is my biggest gripe at this point). If you do lots of video in different formats...not for you as you will face compatibility issues. If you have to ask how your flash back to stock....this is probably not for you. If you value battery life as a top priority...not yet for you. Most of the other deficiencies or shortcomings had adequate work arounds but you until the major issues are resolved you will quickly find yourself flashing back to Phoenix, Firefly, Serendipity, Andromeda, etc.)
2. If you don't use and external SD and/or do much media vid/music then i can see why many view this as "stable" for their purposes. The UI, menus, and animations are smooth/fast and i never really had any issues with force closes while using it. Maybe its better linguistically to say its incomplete rather than refer to is as unstable and sorry if it offends the early adopters but if you are using it as your daily driver its pretty obvious you are using an inferior rom @ this point.
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Excellent post.

Glad to see users sharing their experience on CM7. This is always good foe the community. I hope to see new users to read this thread prior to making any decision whether to flash CM7 2.3.3 or not.
On another note, I'm sure once Samsung do final release of Gingerbread 2.3.3 for i9000 series (last I heard that an early beta was released), we cappyites will see stable release.
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Regarding the phone turning on when charging, I believe it's a gingerbread "feature". It's been said that it is working as intended. Also, the iphone does the same thing so I don't really see it as an issue. It's probably google seeing behavior they like and implementing it.

You can not mount the external sd but you can transfer to your internal then on the phone transfer to external, so I am not certain it Is fair to say you can not use your external sd. Video is an issue, and battery is as well.
At this point in time it is a trade off, there are several things cm7 can't do well or can not do at all. there are also several things it does much better than any 2.2 rom or are not available on 2.2 roms.
Its all preference and priorities. Kinda like any best rom discussion.
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Miami_Son said:
Every time I try and warn someone that CM7 is not yet ready for primetime I get bashed for it, yet there seem to be plenty of people echoing my comments. Like I said in another thread, the people that are saying CM7 is stable and works great are either not using their device to its full potential or are willing to live without certain features. There is really no compelling reason to live with a ROM that has this many bugs or deficiencies when you consider how many really good ROMs there are available for our Cappys that have few, if any, issues. Yeah, they may not have Gingerbready theming or cutesy animations, but they just work. Andromeda 1.2 is one that comes to mind.
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Largely it its because you have never used it, and have only tried one rom. That and you are compelled to jump on any thread that mentions it as if it is a personal mission. It its not as if you do not make some valid points, but it is not hard to see why it may rub some the wrong way after a while.
This is not an attempt to start something, but your comments make it seem like there is no warrant to people who go back at you.
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mcord11758 said:
Largely it its because you have never used it, and have only tried one rom. That and you are compelled to jump on any thread that mentions it as if it is a personal mission. It its not as if you do not make some valid points, but it is not hard to see why it may rub some the wrong way after a while.
This is not an attempt to start something, but your comments make it seem like there is no warrant to people who go back at you.
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Agreed... I was not trying to start a thread to bash any rom. However I do know that there are some hard feelings that are out based on certain features that work or don't and peoples impressions about the ROM itself. I also know that there is quite a bit of loyalty to certain ROM creators that no matter what they aren't going to be going to a new ROM simply because they are loyal to that dev... which is fine! I simply wanted to create an avenue for people who have used the ROM to pass along information and opinions on the ROM to people who are thinking about switching to it. People are entitled to their opinions and I am all for that... Just don't bash any of the devs or their work, it is not easy putting this stuff together and I for one am happy that I have a place I can go to that allows me to get away from stock. I hope that all will realize that

mcord11758 said:
Largely it its because you have never used it, and have only tried one rom. That and you are compelled to jump on any thread that mentions it as if it is a personal mission. It its not as if you do not make some valid points, but it is not hard to see why it may rub some the wrong way after a while.
This is not an attempt to start something, but your comments make it seem like there is no warrant to people who go back at you.
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Excellent post.
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The terminology might be better as incomplete instead of unstable. great post.

slowing down - stay rooted???

ok... looks like the interest in the TB is waning. new phone options are coming available. posts and threads are slowing in this forum and others. development is slowing (Th3ory hasnt put out a new rom in like 1 1/2 weeks now ).
is it time to find one ROM for a daily and settle in? at some point will it make sense to convert the TB back to stock and run with verizon and its updates?
i probably will keep my TB for another year. any thoughts?
thanks
mark

markkal123 said:
ok... looks like the interest in the TB is waning. new phone options are coming available. posts and threads are slowing in this forum and others. development is slowing (Th3ory hasnt put out a new rom in like 1 1/2 weeks now ).
is it time to find one ROM for a daily and settle in? at some point will it make sense to convert the TB back to stock and run with verizon and its updates?
i probably will keep my TB for another year. any thoughts?
thanks
mark
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God... talk about an industrial-strength stupid thread.

loonatik78 said:
God... talk about an industrial-strength stupid thread.
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LMAO ...
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markkal123 said:
ok... looks like the interest in the TB is waning. new phone options are coming available. posts and threads are slowing in this forum and others. development is slowing (Th3ory hasnt put out a new rom in like 1 1/2 weeks now ).
is it time to find one ROM for a daily and settle in? at some point will it make sense to convert the TB back to stock and run with verizon and its updates?
i probably will keep my TB for another year. any thoughts?
thanks
mark
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Yes interest in the TB is slowing and therefore so is development.
Yes newer phones are coming out
Switching to verizon and their updates is a turd choice though unless they come out with something utterly amazing and 0 DEV's here adopt it. Will never happen though unless the entire community is dead.

POQbum said:
Yes interest in the TB is slowing and therefore so is development.
Yes newer phones are coming out
Switching to verizon and their updates is a turd choice though unless they come out with something utterly amazing and 0 DEV's here adopt it. Will never happen though unless the entire community is dead.
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thanks, never meant to start an industrial-strength stupid thread. guess i was just wondering how long developers would be around pumping out new material, and whether or not people more experienced than me wouild be around for my gallacically stupid questions and such.
thanks for your answers
mark

We are getting a great dev coming from the og dinc forum. I say stick around for a few more weeks.
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Sorry man, but I read that OP and thought "What is this guy thinking?!?!?" Go back to stock and take whatever Verizon dishes out? I don't grasp the mental process that would conclude that as an option. I don't think interest is waning. I'll check that dipstick after Verizon sells it for free, or close to it, which is usually when sales get real good. Th3ory isn't exactly a benchmark of ROM development either. In fact, cranking out ROMs at a rate of any more than once every month is kinda unusual. BAMF went nearly 2 months without so much as a revision. Chingy usually goes at least a month. I don't understand what the deal is with Synergy and their goofy nightlies... how much can you tweak something before it's junk? I point to Ziggy's kernels as having exceeded that limit.
I came from the dInc. When I left that device as a primary device I stopped paying much attention to the ROMs for it. Now when I go and look around over there, there's heaps of devs I never heard of (a few with egos WAY too big for their sig), cranking out ROMs of all sorts. I know they hate to admit it over there, but the dInc is DEAD. If you want to see a device that seems dry on interest, visit the dInc2 forums, or some of the Motorola device forums. Or a LOT of forums, really. I don't know where you think devs are going since there isn't actually a better device worth upgrading to on Verizon. And don't say the Bionic; that thing was obsolete almost the day it launched, and the launch of the Inc HD WILL kill it. If you don't think a lot of the dev from that device will trickle down here, may I point you to all the stuff from the EVO 3D that's already made it's way here.

@ loonatik78...
yeah i guess after re-reading my OP it's kind of hard to take seriously. the TB is my first smart phone. never even knew there were forums like this that supported the phone, nor had i even a clue that these things could be rooted and modifed in such a way. certainly glad i googled my way XDA.
support has been wonderful here, and frankly find your posts well worth reading. thanks.
mark
as for going back to stock - well not a chance.

Even if it's the end of the line for sense updates (as far as from verizon), there will be updates to AOSP ROMs like CM7 and OMFGB long after as many phones have.

Switch to a new ROM? For example, Synergy has many updates a week currently and shows no sign of a stopping point in the future. Not to mention the ROM is completly badass and runs smooth like buttah

When was the Tbolt released, Jan or Feb of this year ? Interest will wane around Spring '13... A lot more people keep their phones for the two years or so that VZW "rewards" than you think. It's been what, six months ? The HTC Eris forum is still going strong, just as an example!
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yareally said:
Even if it's the end of the line for sense updates (as far as from verizon), there will be updates to AOSP ROMs like CM7 and OMFGB long after as many phones have.
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If only aosp roms had working nfl app and gps for me. Even with fixes, most apps that use gps either put me across the world, or just error out.
Guess if dev stalls, I might just have to learn to build roms myself.

nrfitchett4 said:
If only aosp roms had working nfl app and gps for me. Even with fixes, most apps that use gps either put me across the world, or just error out.
Guess if dev stalls, I might just have to learn to build roms myself.
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First off GPS works fine, second yea, the NFL app is still wonky but I strongly believe there are better alternatives on the market.
Second I would say go to OMFGB, since our phone is in their tree, any updates they make go to our phone, so even when we are forgot about we will still recieve updates as long as their team is around.
Also, synergy is not a bad choice (Especially if you like daily updates), BAMF forever would be a good choice as well. It was just released and runs super smooth. Plus updates are coming every 2 or 3 days at most.
Also, (And hopefully, final) we should be getting a Sense 3.5 port soon, (Team BAMF is currently spearheading that operation).
So sorry to tell you but development is still going strong.

miketoasty said:
First off GPS works fine, second yea, the NFL app is still wonky but I strongly believe there are better alternatives on the market.
Second I would say go to OMFGB, since our phone is in their tree, any updates they make go to our phone, so even when we are forgot about we will still recieve updates as long as their team is around.
Also, synergy is not a bad choice (Especially if you like daily updates), BAMF forever would be a good choice as well. It was just released and runs super smooth. Plus updates are coming every 2 or 3 days at most.
Also, (And hopefully, final) we should be getting a Sense 3.5 port soon, (Team BAMF is currently spearheading that operation).
So sorry to tell you but development is still going strong.
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sorry, but I'm not the only one having problems with gps on aosp ROMs. It's not just getting a working signal before flashing. Even after doing that and maps finding me ok, most apps that need gps to find you, such as search, gasbuddy, etc, end up placing me at least 2 miles away unless wifi is on.
It's ok, really don't mind sense ROMs. I freeze, uninstall a lot of sense parts and use different launchers. Playing with shell 3d right now.

walbuls said:
Switch to a new ROM? For example, Synergy has many updates a week currently and shows no sign of a stopping point in the future. Not to mention the ROM is completly badass and runs smooth like buttah
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+1 synergy has nightly and offical builds so flash away.
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nrfitchett4 said:
If only aosp roms had working nfl app and gps for me. Even with fixes, most apps that use gps either put me across the world, or just error out.
Guess if dev stalls, I might just have to learn to build roms myself.
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Building has proved challenging but as far as taking a leak and debloat deoxed and add root busy box WiFi tether that is very easy. Even adding a custom kernel is very easy. Tweaking extra settings is where I am lost right now such as RAMdisk edits and other such tweaks need info.
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Grnlantern79 said:
Building has proved challenging but as far as taking a leak and debloat deoxed and add root busy box WiFi tether that is very easy. Even adding a custom kernel is very easy. Tweaking extra settings is where I am lost right now such as RAMdisk edits and other such tweaks need info.
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built them on winmo, both tp2 and hd2. Just haven't had time to read up enough on android. But if it becomes a necessity, I will find the time.

It's laughable at this point.

ICS has also now been ported and boots up on the Droid 3 lol. Great work to Hashcode for getting it going!
http://hash-of-codes.blogspot.com/2011/11/you-got-your-ice-cream-on-my-droid-3-no.html

Well, it is a 3G phone, so there shouldn't be issues getting the radios working. I do find it amusing the type of the support these cheesy phones get though.
I don't want to get off topic, but I am curious what sort of CIQ and other potential spyware has been implemented in ICS. It seems a good opportunity for Google to embed CIQ deep within the framework, but alas, who knows.
The main two features of ICS that I think I would like, but don't need, is USB OTG and WiFi Direct.

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ICS has also now been ported and boots up on the Droid 3 lol. Great work to Hashcode for getting it going!
http://hash-of-codes.blogspot.com/2011/11/you-got-your-ice-cream-on-my-droid-3-no.html
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Smh we will never see it

I keep hearing we won't have ics because we have a 4g phone but the bionic just got ics port... Maybe we still have hope?
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I keep hearing we won't have ics because we have a 4g phone but the bionic just got ics port... Maybe we still have hope?
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Very good point!!!!

I'm one person, would you rather have me work on getting a good ROM out based on stock TW, or go to work on what may never be a fully functional AOSP build? If you want it so bad, no one here is going to stop you from taking up the work on your own...

imnuts said:
I'm one person, would you rather have me work on getting a good ROM out based on stock TW, or go to work on what may never be a fully functional AOSP build? If you want it so bad, no one here is going to stop you from taking up the work on your own...
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imnuts said:
I'm one person, would you rather have me work on getting a good ROM out based on stock TW, or go to work on what may never be a fully functional AOSP build? If you want it so bad, no one here is going to stop you from taking up the work on your own...
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You already know. Yes, we are eager for ICS/CM7.1/CM7.2/CM9...and everything under the sun that a working RIL would enable us. But, having said that, I think the vast majority of us place FUNCTION in front of FEATURES.
We, Android enthusists with the skills to flash but not actually dev, are like children and will never be satisfied. We need a healthy meal, but are going to whine to have candy for dinner every night. As a dev, you're more similar to our parent in this metaphor... Don't take it personally when we metaphorically say we hate you--we don't. We love you. We need your help to eat at all, so make sure it's the best meal you can provide.
Besides, if the RIL never comes, who bought this phone for Ice Cream Sandwich anyway? I bought this phone for 4G.

imnuts said:
I'm one person, would you rather have me work on getting a good ROM out based on stock TW, or go to work on what may never be a fully functional AOSP build? If you want it so bad, no one here is going to stop you from taking up the work on your own...
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imnuts, please don't take my post or the title the wrong way. I am in now way at all saying anything bad about what you do for this phone. Your work is very highly regarded in my book. I was just pointing out how crazy it is with all these ICS ports coming out now. I can promise you that I am grateful for all the work you do for us.

If you want an AOSP ROM, you shouldn't buy a Samsung phone.
Twice bitten for me. Neither of my Samsung phones has had an AOSP ROM.

As a self-proclaimed nube, I am generally curious what advantages we would see on AOSP anyways.
Is there some super-spiffy amazing bad-ass feature that I don't know about?
Humble 5.0 is great for me. I will try Infinity if/when its ready.
ICS in particular has WiFi Direct and USB OTG as I mentioned above, which I assume that CM7 wouldn't enable.

xdadevnube said:
As a self-proclaimed nube, I am generally curious what advantages we would see on AOSP anyways.
Is there some super-spiffy amazing bad-ass feature that I don't know about?
Humble 5.0 is great for me. I will try Infinity if/when its ready.
ICS in particular has WiFi Direct and USB OTG as I mentioned above, which I assume that CM7 wouldn't enable.
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AOSP tends to offer a faster experience, and better battery life. It does this by not having any carrier or OEM bloat anywhere. There is a lot of stuff added on to the stock ROM that cannot be removed. To give you an idea, a heavily debloated TW ROM for the Fascinate is usually ~160MB, give or take, where as a stock AOSP ROM is <100MB for the same Android version, GB in this case. That would mean that even the best debloated/cleaned up TouchWiz ROM is still going to have about 40% more useless junk in it than a stock AOSP ROM, and that junk slows down the system and drains the battery.

mikehal38 said:
I keep hearing we won't have ics because we have a 4g phone but the bionic just got ics port... Maybe we still have hope?
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Bionic got ICS support because Kejar has a Bionic probably. I'm just glad we are on the eve of GB finally and that Imnuts and Imoseyon can get to business with some code.
Over the years around computers I've learned one thing, the next OS is always easier to use, easier to program in and what not, but it is always more complex and requires more hardware, more RAM and shortly after release the end user experience isn't all that much better than it was 6 months earlier. You should see DOS 5 run on a quad core monster processor - wow!

Droidianslip said:
Bionic got ICS support because Kejar has a Bionic probably. I'm just glad we are on the eve of GB finally and that Imnuts and Imoseyon can get to business with some code.
Over the years around computers I've learned one thing, the next OS is always easier to use, easier to program in and what not, but it is always more complex and requires more hardware, more RAM and shortly after release the end user experience isn't all that much better than it was 6 months earlier. You should see DOS 5 run on a quad core monster processor - wow!
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I agree with what you're saying mostly, but your post almost sounds like you expect Imnuts and Imoseyon to develop and post their work when they have zero obligation to develop and/or share any of their work in any way. If I wasn't so hard-pressed for cash, I would donate more to the devs. I will when I am able though.
One should also remember the short life cycle of smartphones. I am already looking forward to the Galaxy S III mostly for the display- SAMOLED III.
Also, I would like to be able to watch 480p Flash content in the browser without having to overclock, hopefully 720p Flash in the browser with the GS3.
Of course I would like my Charge to blaze along at its maximum potential, but there is a thin line between spending and wasting time on dated hardware. If you want the the best experience on a device, then it would be best to buy older hardware that it well-developed, like the Fascinate. I am willing to sacrifice for the perks of the Charge, like the SAMOLED+ display and 4G.

All of these ICS ROMS have the same problems....

CONSIDER THIS THREAD CLOSED
Let me first be clear: I think it's awesome that a phone like the MyTouch 4g was released at a 2.2 phone and has ended up being upgraded to 4.0.4. Let me also take the time to thank the developers involved in this effort. It's hard work and sometimes it sucks to be a dev, and I thank you.
That being said, there are something like 10 ICS ROMS in the development section right now with any combination of
Sense 4
Stock ICS
MIUI
Themed variations
and what do they all have in common? The camera doesn't work properly, the bluetooth is sketchy, and the whole thing is a little crashy in the soft-reboot sense of the word.
My question is this: Why are we releasing so many variations of the same problem when the first one didn't work correctly anyway?
Especially ...Awesome... . I think it's awesome that you want to release like 5 different ICS ROMS, but what does one bring to the table that the other one doesn't? If I'm totally off base here, let me know, but this is what I see from a ROM flasher prospective.
Anyway, end rant and I'm sorry if I offended anybody.

jbdubbs said:
Let me first be clear: I think it's awesome that a phone like the MyTouch 4g was released at a 2.2 phone and has ended up being upgraded to 4.0.4. Let me also take the time to thank the developers involved in this effort. It's hard work and sometimes it sucks to be a dev, and I thank you.
That being said, there are something like 10 ICS ROMS in the development section right now with any combination of
Sense 4
Stock ICS
MIUI
Themed variations
and what do they all have in common? The camera doesn't work properly, the bluetooth is sketchy, and the whole thing is a little crashy in the soft-reboot sense of the word.
My question is this: Why are we releasing so many variations of the same problem when the first one didn't work correctly anyway?
Especially ...Awesome... . I think it's awesome that you want to release like 5 different ICS ROMS, but what does one bring to the table that the other one doesn't? If I'm totally off base here, let me know, but this is what I see from a ROM flasher prospective.
Anyway, end rant and I'm sorry if I offended anybody.
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I realized this too, but hey, they can do whatever they want.
I mean I know why they aren't completely functional and stable, but I'm confused as to why we've became so obsessed with ICS that we have 50 different ICS ROMs and pretty much all of them are the same just with different settings or whatever. That's why I've been on GB sense for like the past week or two.
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Things in common
As stated-many roms share problems. As a lover of mt4g anything that keeps my phone alive is progress. Sure ics has camera and some other isssues,but as we all should know and have all been told"this is a work in progress". Many folks = many efforts= different outcomes. Not all ics have reboots,not all have "the camera problem" most do but work arounds exist is some cases. We can always go back to gb. Remember when some gb had camera problems? In time all gets worked out. Besides no arm twisting is done to make us use a rom,it's a matter of personal choice. Am content to wait till camera fix is out but will continue to use ics. Thanks to all the fellas who work for free and express their individuality with the work produced. "drive on"

I2IEAILiiTY said:
That's why I've been on GB sense for like the past week or two.
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Yes. This is me too.
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trofmoc said:
Not all ics have reboots,not all have "the camera problem" most do but work arounds exist is some cases.
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Actually, every ICS ROM in the development forum has the camera problem. The "camera problem" being the total lack of video capture unless you use a third party program and capture in VGA resolution at less than 10 fps. As far as I'm concerned, that means the video camera doesn't work, and there isn't a ROM that's worked around this.
Also, so far I've used at least five different ICS ROMS and all of them seem to have soft reboot problems of some sort. Some worse than others, but its there. Usually having to do with the browser or programs that use the stock browser.

Since a camera don't mean anything to me...I am using sense 4 hybrid, which is suprisingly very stable, minus the camera of course. But my wife on the other hand, has to have a camera, so I put sense 3.5 on hers, which is basically perfect in functionality.
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I literally just flashed that Sense 4 Hybrid, and it about blew my ear off with the music on the boot screen.........

lack of a kernel prevents certain hardware from working correctly
however, i do agree that there are WAY too many SIMILAR roms (and some from the same dev, too). itd be nice to try to put all your resources on one AOSP, one AOKP/CM9, and one ICS-Sense.. teamwork! community! linux!
to each thier own, i guess. lets appreciate all the ROMs.. because if we didnt have any devs still working here wed be a lot more annoyed

On the bright side, as fixes are found/created the existing ROMs can be patched and you'll have more functioning ROMs to choose from. Also, these guys went from ports to compiling and then they started modding framework-res.apk's and SystemUI.apk's for theming. Essentially, if they hadn't done all this work their knowledge would not have progressed like it has. Now they will be able to use those skills to continue to benefit the whole community if they choose.

Wow total lack of respect from a NOBODY! Don't worry ill have all my threads closed and good luck with this phone stay on stock for all I care name 1 single thing u have contributed to this community besides u whinning and complaining about everything good luck to this community and the rest of the devs that are still here... This is the last you guys will have heard from me... GOOD LUCK! !
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Way to go fellas...say goodbye to Awesome. Anyway, do yo guys read the ICS OPs? Here is a nice quote that explains stuff. Bit seriously. Be thankful for ICS....posts like these make us feel unappreciated.
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FAQ - THE BIG PICTURE​
What is ICS?
ICS is Ice Cream Sandwich - Google's latest version of Android.
- Some of the very latest phones on the market already have it installed. e.g HTC One series
- Some slightly older phones will eventually be 'upgraded' to ICS e.g Desire HD, but this may be a number of months away, and promised 'upgrades' have sometimes never been delivered at all.
- If / when it does arrive for Desire HD it may not happen for everybody at the same time, sometimes it's carrier by carrier, and finally 'retail' (non carrier branded) handsets that get the upgrade last!
- If / when it does arrive, it will be overlayed with HTC's Sense (some like it, some don't)
- In the meantime, folks are working on getting ICS on your Desire HD BEFORE it's officially released for the phone, with and without Sense (giving you a choice)
So why don't some features work?
Well, the ICS being used on Desire HD is 'taken' from officially released ICS phones like the HTC One range, or 'leaked' ROMS from similar phones.
However, those phones have slightly different hardware and features than the Desire HD - so they aren't exactly the same. This means that parts of the software have to be 'ported' to work on the Desire HD.
OK, so why is porting so difficult?
The Android O/S is 'open source' meaning that anybody can see the actual source code for themselves, and see how it all works. They can modify it and adapt it to suit their needs (good).
Phone manufacturers USE Android in their phones, but they don't have to make all their own 'extra' software open source too. They like to protect their software by keeping it secret (not so good). There are many reasons why they do this, both good and bad, but it makes porting difficult.
When developers don't have access to the source code for parts of a phone, they have to write their own!... this means they have to have highly detailed knowledge of the phone, its hardware and other software components. Sometimes they can try things by trial and error, sometimes they have knowledge from a similar phone, and sometimes they just don't know.
This is the most common issue for 'ported' ROMS. Things like Power Management, Camera, WiFi, GPS etc are the things that make one manufacturer's phone stand out from another, and therefore end up 'secret'.
This does not mean that they will never work, it only means that they take longer to get working.
Who does the porting?
The actual porting is done by surprisingly few people:
- Some guys who know 'inside secrets'
- Some guys who are just great developers but who don't have the secrets
- Some guys who can develop but need a little guidance
- Some of them are 'great guys' helping the community (and keeping their own skills up to date)
- Some of them have other motives (good and bad)
- Some of them form teams to work on different ports
Why don't all the developers work together?
Developers are people - they have all the same issues as everybody else:
- Some like working alone
- Some feel that other developers standards aren't high enough
- Some are trying to fix a specific problem that THEY want fixed
- Some teams have different goals (one team might be aiming for a port that can work on 5 different phones, whilst another team are focused on a single phone. One team may want a totally 'clean' ROM and another want a ROM with lots of customisation options built in)
- Sometimes, people just don't get along with each other
I thought the ROM makers did all this work?
You'd be wrong.
The ROM developers use the ported code to make their ROMs. Sometimes they can choose different components from the various development teams to build a ROM.
Imagine a motor car:
1) The 'developers' make the engine, wheels, steering, chassis etc
2) The ROM Makers build their car choosing the components they need for their ROM
3) The 'Modders' add custom paint colours, fancy headlights, custom interior etc
The 'developers' are not smarter than the ROM makers, and the ROM makers are not smarter than the modders. They just have different roles (and some people do all three roles!)
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...Awesome... said:
Wow total lack of respect from a NOBODY! Don't worry ill have all my threads closed and good luck with this phone stay on stock for all I care name 1 single thing u have contributed to this community besides u whinning and complaining about everything good luck to this community and the rest of the devs that are still here... This is the last you guys will have heard from me... GOOD LUCK! !
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Though I respect and agree with you I really hope you're kidding because if your not I'm probably gonna cry. How am I supposed to sh*t rainbows now!?
I have half a mind to hurl insults at the OP(Way Off Base) as if I were in a drunken rage. Not only did he offend but he called out a Dev which is uncalled for. You can say sorry for offending someone all you want but your sorrys, and you for a matter of fact haven't done sh*t for our device. I don't believe you have the right to rant seeing as how you have contributed nothing and possibly just cost the MT4G one of its best devs. I hope we still have developers that are not fed up with us.

...Awesome... said:
Wow total lack of respect from a NOBODY! Don't worry ill have all my threads closed and good luck with this phone stay on stock for all I care name 1 single thing u have contributed to this community besides u whinning and complaining about everything good luck to this community and the rest of the devs that are still here... This is the last you guys will have heard from me... GOOD LUCK! !
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Well, damn....
Please mind the collective ego of the Dev's here. It bruises pretty easily. I tried to make the point earlier that all that work is very useful because it hones their skills, but I guess it was already too late. I sincerely hope we haven't lost another one.
Don't forget that, basically the best ICS kernel we have came from a mod that ...Awesome... did on the Tiamat kernel
Also http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1641147

estallings15 said:
Well, damn....
Please mind the collective ego of the Dev's here. It bruises pretty easily. I tried to make the point earlier that all that work is very useful because it hones their skills, but I guess it was already too late. I sincerely hope we haven't lost another one.
Don't forget that, basically the best ICS kernel we have came from a mod that ...Awesome... did on the Tiamat kernel
Also http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1641147
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The point I'm trying to make is non of you guys know what goes on behind the scenes you just have people like the OP to complain about any little thing... For example who here's noticed elginsk8r had his own cyanogen kernel on his cm9 Rom?? Who here knows that THEindian is working on the vkernel? Who here knows blackwing and I are trying to compile a kernel for the camcorder to work? Who here noticed if u flash elginsk8r kernel u get semi working camcorder don't say we aren't working together on fixes if u guys knew all and every little thing we all are doing and don't come out publicly and say it doesn't mean we aren't working together because WE ARE because it benefits all of us not just 1 person
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...Awesome... said:
The point I'm trying to make is non of you guys know what goes on behind the scenes you just have people like the OP to complain about any little thing... For example who here's noticed elginsk8r had his own cyanogen kernel on his cm9 Rom?? Who here knows that THEindian is working on the vkernel? Who here knows blackwing and I are trying to compile a kernel for the camcorder to work? Who here noticed if u flash elginsk8r kernel u get semi working camcorder don't say we aren't working together on fixes if u guys knew all and every little thing we all are doing and don't come out publicly and say it doesn't mean we aren't working together because WE ARE because it benefits all of us not just 1 person
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Amen. Honestly people. Patience...

my 2¢
I personally didn't think the OP was disrespectful. I think a number of devs are probably feeling similar frustrations even if from a different perspective.
I do think it is up to each user to decide to try new ROMs. If they don't work for you, then its a non-starter - go back to what works for you without complaint.
I also think it is important to remember that there are many different types of users - always. I am a software developer and I hit the same thing in my work. Some people are just looking for a solid ROM - and lack much understanding of the underlying complexity. That they're here at all places them way beyond the average smartphone buyer.
Others are Android jockies - here every day (even every minute) with a lot of their life revolving around ROM dev/swapping. It's probably important to them how they're perceived in this community.
Constructive criticism will and can be received differently by everyone within that spectrum.
Personally, I think it's great to have lots of options - it will end up serving everyone. At the level of experience I have (little!), I have gotten confused when the ROM thread titles are cute and don't indicate what they are - or their lineage. When I dig in and read the threads, there's definitely good ICS options there.

HMMMMM
I DON'T PAY BUT I USE, I DON'T FIX,BUT I COMPLAIN - IF IT DON'T WORK I'M READY FOR A QUICK FIX. TOO MANY CHOICES[somethings wrong]. NOT ENOUGH CHOICES[someone's lazy]. go to any other android forum and see how many folks are interested in mt4g. HARDLY ANY. PLEASE BE GLAD FOR WHAT WE HAVE.

I for one would like to say that I feel almost ashamed, that I use these roms, and I don't say thank you enough. Let me be honest, because at my age, its hard to fall asleep at night, having told a lie. I'm struggling right now, keeping my power on, & feeding my family. I'm laid off and looking for work, and while I would love to donate to these devs for their work, I simply don't have the money. But as soon as I do, I will gladly. I'm not looking for pity, just being honest. But a big thanks to all devs, porters, mods, anyone that devotes time here, because that's something I do know, time is a precious thing that shouldn't be taken for granted..
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I don't think the OP was being disrespectful or intended to.
I see where he's coming from b/c there are a lot of ICS ROMs with common issues. Like we don't need three different AOKP ROMs for example, and if anything, it's gotta be hard on ...Awesome... to track progress for the fact he has several ICS builds and different threads, at least that's what I think, which is why I agree with the OP when he calls ...Awesome... out like that b/c all of his ROMs are basically the same, just w/ different "flavors" so it seems. If it was me, I'd put out just one ROM and give you guys no choice at all. If you really want all the silly things like themes and stuff, then do it yourself.
The vanilla ROM, is perfect. AOKP is fine. CM9, great. But ****ting Rainbows and Rootie Tootie (which is bloated to the max IMO) are unnecessary, esp. since it doesn't fix any of the core problems such as RR and SoD's and etc. and that only adds more threads to keep up with and distracts you from the things that really do matter. Yea it's cool and neat that you can get a ton of extra add ons into the ROM, but don't put all your work into just trying to make those silly settings and stuff work.
And another thing, ICS is a neat little project for our device, but if you want all that other **** and keep acting like you absolutely need to have ICS fully functional on this old outdated phone, then either A) go back to GB and be content w/ that until ICS is out of BETA or B) get a new damn phone, like everyone else has been doing. We're obsessed w/ ICS when we have perfectly, fully functional GB ROMs that devs have worked hard on too, like sckboy for example. He's still putting out GB ROMs and I bet some of you guys aren't aware of this at all b/c the ICS threads stay at the top of the forums pretty much.

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I for one would like to say that I feel almost ashamed, that I use these roms, and I don't say thank you enough. Let me be honest, because at my age, its hard to fall asleep at night, having told a lie. I'm struggling right now, keeping my power on, & feeding my family. I'm laid off and looking for work, and while I would love to donate to these devs for their work, I simply don't have the money. But as soon as I do, I will gladly. I'm not looking for pity, just being honest. But a big thanks to all devs, porters, mods, anyone that devotes time here, because that's something I do know, time is a precious thing that shouldn't be taken for granted..
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Thanks man and like I've said before nobody here is doing it for money/donations specially me I do it for people to have a variety and its a hobby for me that I love doing...
I have a
Sense rom for all u sense freaks
AOSP & a AOKP rom for u ics fans
Cm9 rom
Variety!!! if it bothered the OP so much that theirs variety don't flash non of my ROMS thank you again and ill say it again as long as in my count 1 person is still using ANY of my roms ill keep updating them ENOUGH with this thread and the OP. Till he contributes 1 thing to this community he should be allowed to complain!!! As far as ANY other person in this community instead of complaining about a feature offer a suggestion the best one ive hear came yesterday when someone said they needed wifi calling for daily use sure they reported the same problem AGAIN but atleast he made a suggestion on how to fix it or try to fix it...
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Is there a Stable ROM?

Been using the bullet proof rom since I got this phone about 10 months ago, as much as I would like to switch to something better, I cant because it looks like almost every rom available is pre-alpha pre-beta, comes with a bunch of things not working, or has battery issues.
I know the Doubleshot isnt a popular phone, but this is really starting to suck. Seems to me that someone decides to build a new rom, makes a few updates over 2-3 months, then completely abandons the project due to getting a new phone. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Id love to have a cyanogenmod 7 mod, yet alone 9 for this phone, or even a stock ICS 4.04 rom, but it doesnt look like its ever going to happen with this phone. I think this will be the last HTC phone I buy, ive had 3 of them (one was WinMo 6.0) and none of them had official updates. All I can do now is watch people post a ROM, provide a few updates, then completely abandon the project.
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.

Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?

Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
Blue was kind enough to post system.img and boot.img from the latest ota ( links could be shot because of a goo crash ) and dsi made the dsixda kitchen that will cook them images into a rooted Stock ROM. The kitchen will need a file added to tools/edify_defs ( its a script that allows the kitchen to know the partition locations of your device ) because he dropped support a while ago, but it works great as a tool. So you could always start there and once you get some things under your belt you could jump in and lend a hand in this long term support you are seeking?
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I do think that people arrive at your conclusions due to three main reasons:
- The misunderstanding that developers are doing this for the users. ( some may, by far most are not)
- The user mentality of owning a smart phone. You want to have this device as long as you can, and get the most out of it.
Most devs see it another way. They want to stay on the cutting edge and try to break new ground. Regardless of how awesome a device is at launch, you are still looking at a limited window of time before it's old hat.
I think that more and more you will be seeing devs moving on more quickly due to the commercial success of the smart phone. Not just an expensive device for a few, anymore they are a dime a dozen for the many.
I've owned 3 doubleshots, still have two. Have an SGSIII, and am thinking about picking up one of the SGSIII international models.
...and that is fast becoming the M.O. of development. Squeeze out whatever learning you can until you benefit more from newer hardware.
Some devs will work on a device until it's about to or just starting to lose it's resale value so they can minimize the move forward.
- The third - and arguably most important reason - is the average user has no idea how much time, effort but most of all frustration goes into working on a device.
Especially for newer devs. For every one accomplishment, there are many, many failures. Failures that may have taken days of almost around the clock work. Failures that - in order to reach - took the place of spending time with friends, significant others or social gatherings. Giving up that day with your friends at the beach just to spend the whole time working on something that not only doesn't work, but even the parts of it you can salvage aren't useful.
This is what learning is like when you are the steward of your own education. You have to make sacrifices like ignoring your friends and family, cutting down on work hours, blowing off your girlfriend for a box with a screen.
Guess what - that whole graphics project for bulletproof that resulted in a 3 part tutorial? A 70 something hour bender where I walked away from the machine twice for less then ten minutes a pop for a quick bathroom break and to make some ramen noodles.
It was ramen noodles because I stopped working for a few months to learn android and build stuff for the doubleshot. Pennies can only be pinched so far.
...and I can't tell you how much I despise and hate actually doing graphics work. It makes me agitated and angry.
But ya know what? I did it to show what could be done and generate tutorials so other people could do it and free me to do other things, yet still enjoy the visual entertainment/enhancements the community would bring.
...and I was let down, in a big way. No one else really got into doing it. No one else invested the time to make graphical mods to. apk files we have or to sense. ( no slight to the very few of you that did)
You've had this phone for ten months, where are your roms, mods or graphical enhancements and stuff?
You argue that so few get involved - yet you do little to help.
This device was my first step into the dev ring. If I can be as successful at it - no reason you can't too. If you'd rather spend time doing other things, well, you never will learn to dev.
These kind of threads are disheartening. The community survives and thrives through your participation. By not pitching in to help, you are forcing the few that do to bear the weight of all forward development for the device.
Don't complain that we few are burnt out when you can't count yourself amongst us.
This division is one you highlight, while we try to eliminate. Come to our side and help out.
Bulletproof had over 2,000 downloads when I checked last back in march/april. No one used it as a springboard to build on?
At the end of the day...
elister said:
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
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WeekendsR2Short said:
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.

WeekendsR2Short said:
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
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strapped365 said:
Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
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When I see a rom posted in the developers forum, if its based on ICS 4.0 or better, all I do is read the what works and what doesnt work section. For a long time it seemed almost every rom had problems with the SD card being used as a USB Flash drive (meaning I would have to disconnect the SDHC, connect to reader just to copy files). Now the problems tend to either be camera related (which I absolutely need) or battery issues in which it gets hot or drains faster.
So way early on, I was reading through pages upon pages of posts to see if problems get resolved (which often they dont unless they post another build), but now I just read the first page to get to the details (to see whats not working in the rom), then pass when there are too many things not working.
I kinda like the official update, because they tend to be stable.

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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
K7Cobb said:
U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.

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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Yes thats the goal but if theyve released the rom with 1 or 2 problems then why should it be a problem. I use virtuous infinty and has 2 problems thats it. Dont quote me but i dont think there is a PERFECT ROM. Because again it is a rom not made by the company but our devs. And then again the roms our devs make have less serious problems than the ones companies have
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polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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EXACTLY. I'm not a dev but this is what I did not want to happen but seems like nobody can agree
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For those that haven't taken the time to READ to see what others are saying about how a ROM works......well there is no excuse for you and IMHO have no business saying a word about anything. If a person is so smart that they know how things SHOULD work but can't even figure out a few commands in ADB & how to make it work then you're getting things backasswards. Just download it, evaluate it and if you don't expend the friggin' TIME to read then just STFU!
What you're showing is ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for the vast amounts of time and effort these developers have sat at home alone into the wee hours of the morning LEARNING by trial & error and collaboration among themselves for their OWN betterment. NOT FOR OURS!!! We are ALL damn lucky that they see fit to share ANYTHING with ANY of us and ask for nothing more that a little honest feedback and an occasional THANK YOU!
now....off my friggin' soapbox

polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
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We shouldn't be asking unless we can help in some way, shape or form. As you said, all the devs are doing what they can though we may not be aware of it. Look at how much time Blue put in Bulletproof alone. Kudos Blue!!!
If you want a ROM with no known issues, it exists! Go back to STOCK! LoL One of each ROM that's fully working will not happen because of the reasons that Blue listed and I agree with him completely. And the term "lower your ROM standards" is very fitting to me. It doesn't mean settle for less, but more so just pick the ROM that best suits you. They are there.
My DD right now is MikXE for various reasons and I've never had a single problem with it...at all. I don't use WiFi tethering or WiFi calling but those are features important to some(now I'd LOVE for just 1 feature to be added to it *cough* screenoffmusiccontrol Strapped *cough* LoL), but if it doesn't I'm not going to die. Already perfect in my eyes and I love it the way it is! And Blue's Bulletproof is flawless, everything works!
If a person doesn't like reading then XDA isn't the place to be. Sometimes within the thread there are tips shown that will fix some issues within the ROM that one might not know existed without reading. Then, in other threads there are ways to tweak things to get certain features working in the ROM that may show as not working in the OP...sometimes! Either way, if we want EVERY single feature on the phone working (Even the ones we don't use?) then Stock/Bulletproof is the only way to go. Otherwise, just get a new phone...?
Makes no sense feeling we deserve better for our phones when we have better, but just not up to "our standards". What the devs do...is FREE! As Strapped mentioned, if we had none of these ROMs/Threads, what would we do then? I for one sure as hell don't want to find out!

WELL SAID!!!!

Threads like this sincerely make me sick. I'm an end user ONLY for lack of a viable machine to build on... Somehow i figure building roms on the device isn't feasible (haha!) But my first reaction to this thread was "don't flame the guy don't flame the guy."
These developers have taken what some people get paid to do and enhanced it to almost an art form where they are singularly doing the job that entire DEVELOPMENT teams get paid to do for MONTHS at a time and you have a developer like XMC working on 4 roms at a time AND a kernel and whatever else AND a real job and school or whatever. Seriously if they aren't doing enough for you then code your own dream rom or run miktouch (which ran off stock kernel PERFECTLY for me for the first three months I was rooted).
Besides... What is stable for me might not be for you, or for any of the other end users here. I've ran MikXE, Vanillabean, MikMIUI, CM9 alphas 2-6, Paranoid Android and am currently running Virtuous Infinity alpha 2. ALL have been more than stable enough to function for me with a few quirks... Given i don't depend on Wifi as much as some, but still. Everyone makes a huge deal out of 1080 camcorder but seriously on this screen nobody can tell a resolution difference. I needed gps to work well and calling to work... I was a pizza delivery guy so that was what I needed to be stable.
Seriously to the OP - IF you aren't brave enough to try roms and see what works for you (seeing as how i've had ZERO of the reported bugs i've seen on most of the roms i have run) then stfu and do us all a favor and go back to stock or get a nexus and have a good time. There you can have 50 versions of everything you could ever want to ***** about. OR become a viable member of this great team and contribute. Help test the roms because stability is only a NAND away.
*steps off my soapbox*
And to answer the subject question:
There are plenty of stable roms to choose from. Most every rom here can be used as a daily driver... It just comes down to what YOU can live with as far as bugs go... After all stock had that battery getting really hot "bug" didn't it?
Wifi disconnecting with screen off without an app seems so inconsequential compared to a bug that can fry your device, right? Lets not forget that i've been testing roms and kernels that might've fried my device with only a G1 as a backup LOL.
Oh yeah... And in case you guys missed it...
TBalden, Kornyone, XMC-Wildchild,Strapped365, Sun_Dream, Blue and the rest... You guys kick ass. Let me know if you're ever in Bama and i'll buy you all a beer or several. And... Welcome riyal as well! You have taken my doubleshot from stock hell to the ecstasy that is whatever os i feel like running at any given time.
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Well to tell all the ICS ROMs around here should have been stable already only if we were given ICS updates. Problem is we were not and developers recycle CM source code or ROMs from other HTC devices praying that most of them would work to bring up ICS on our device. Ok that's fine but there are propriety files still missing or incompatible drivers which makes the bugs. Unless some dev would put his life in reverse engineering the missing drivers and stuffs we wouldn't be expecting any stable ICS ROMs here.
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what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet

Riyal said:
@onebornoflight
what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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You have started contributing - that kernel in the virtuous beta post is a contribution - see you HAVE provided dev type stuff...
Or would you prefer to be unincluded LOL?
And welcome btw!
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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jesusjv95 said:
I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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onebornoflight said:
Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Its fixed in the latest alphas, should also be fixed in the latest "stable". But run alpha 5 its the most stable. Overall
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