I haven't forgot about you guys. Today we had a meeting with XDA owners via telephone. Were just getting everything ready before we make a huge announcement. I told you guys I'm NOT going to let you guys down. Just be a little patient.
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sounds awesome
Thanks, We are really excited on our end as well!
ho lee ****... I can't wait. lol
Alright, now this is getting me hyper..lol
Don't know how much of this is true (always skeptical), but I am an insominiac and this just added fuel to the fire.
Checking in........
nice! Hopefully this announcement well come tomorrow.
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I will be the skeptical (hater) one here.
I still will let action speak for itself.
Just remember that if this has nothing to do with development, you will have failed 100 folds with this community and further tarnish the Samsung name.
I'd rather hear Samsung is on the phone with AT$T pushing for faster updates instead.
IMO, I smell sales...
Not getting my hopes up.
If it's that official Captivate Ginberbread was coming I'd skeet skeet skeet, but if it's Official Captivate Froyo I'd just raise my eyebrow - soon enough having 2.2 is going to be like having 1.6 was last June where everyone was slowly getting 2.1 and eagerly waiting for for 2.2 while 2.3 was already on everyones tongues for the must have's for their next phone.
Seriously, after all the recent smartphone announcements I've heard in the past seven months of owning this phone it has got to be real good for me to take a second look at any Samsung device. Samsung and AT&T fooled me once with the BlackJack in 2006 and they've fooled me again with the Galaxy S in 2010, Samsung makes great latest and greatest hardware but once it's out the door it's usually DIY if you want a speedy (as in before half a year or more has passed before Samsung and AT&T decide to put it out) firmware upgrade. At this point I perceive that Samsung will probably put out 2.2 on their own for the Captivate and the other American Galaxy S models just like they did with the BlackJack. Official firmware upgradeable smartphones were a rarity then and with only select Windows Mobile phones doing it but now it's the norm, get with the times or lose your current or potential customers to HTC and Motorola!
Manufacturers/carriers really need to start giving out at least a one year up to date guarantee for updates especially if the hardware is fully capable, and the Galaxy S series has enough umph to go at least two years on the hardware side so ATT/Samsung better not pull an EOL and discontinue support right at July for this almost wonderful phone!!!
"Hey I know that your phone hasn't been updated so why don't you just buy our nexus s it will be on att in the next couple of months is running 2.3 and you should (crosses fingers) get an update for it soon after the next google firmware update. Oh and it'll only cost you about $700 or more dollars." Or is it "we will be pushing 2.2 to your phones; however you will have to pay $X for it" im sorry but I am so fed up with att and samsung. I love my captivate but that's thanks to all the devs here. But ill wait and to see what the next disappointment a big coroeration can try and serve to me on a silver platter
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The only thing, and I mean the ONLY thing that will get Samsung off of my ****-list is a lag-free, gps-working, Gingerbread ROM.
Had they delivered in November like they promised, a lag-free, gps-working, Froyo ROM would have been enough.
But the penalty for waiting until god damn March is that Froyo is no longer acceptable.
I am really hoping that this is gonna be gingerbread, I will not get my hopes up however. I hope this is for real because otherwise this is my very last Samsung phone. The only thing that I really love is the screen.
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O wait I know how this will end up samsung will just give open source and pass all the work onto the devs here that way it isn't their fault there is no update. And they don't have to work on the updates and can just keep pushing out new products
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lol WOOT !!! cant wait...
i highly doubt its official gingerbread, i would scream like a girl if it was tho. kernel source maybe? or, a sort of xda - samsung exchange, in where samsung might port over the codes and allow official OTA to go over as a beta program.
very excited
I think at this point it would have to be official Gingerbread + an HSPA+ modem + greatly improved GPS to cause me to seriously reconsider complaining to AT&T until they let me upgrade to an Inspire.
Not that I have any grudge against Samsung; I love the Captivate from a raw hardware standpoint, and the screen is still incomparable (until SAMOLED+, that is), but after getting lost because of the GPS tracking issues more than once, and several close calls with random shutdowns at night culminating in having to actually drag out an old clock radio, I simply can't rely on the thing to do its job.
I can has gingerbread?
Why would Samsung need to talk to XDA before releasing an announcement? Doesn't sound like a Gingerbread announcement. Which means I'll continue to be disappointed.
That sounds right to me. Just announcing something like GB for Captivate would be a huge win for Samsung's damaged brand. Why would they share that PR spotlight with XDA?
Seems like more hype to me. I do honestly hope they prove me wrong though...
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Am I the only one that worries more about 2.3 than 2.2? Samsung is literally the last top of the line phone to get 2.2....ridiculous....Will we see 2.3/3.0? I mean this phone should have came with 2.2 or at latest sept. I really expect samsung to support these phones through July 2011. Does anyone else? What's your expectations?
i don't think there will be official 2.3 android...
Samsung is notorious for not supporting updates. They'd rather sell new hardware than update what's out already for free. You're lucky you're getting a 2.2 update even if it is taking forever to release, 2.3 is going to be a stretch though.
Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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Woot, never thought of that, since it will be a Galaxy S variant. That just made me happy to think about
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Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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We already know the camera is different... I don't think it will be as easy as i9000 to i897.. but yes there is some hope here . Google to the rescue!!!
Actually OP this is why we are all so excited about Cyanogen - BC it has NO Samsung components you can just upgrade to 2.3 once its released.... once cyanogen is final nobody here will be talking about Samsung anymore
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Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
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It's gonna be quite different. The camera and the soc will be dual core. Could have other hardware different as well.
I wonder how motorola and htc can afford to keep their top phones upgraded and samsung... Doesn't. I mean look at the droid from nov 2009....
I hate to go back to an iPhone next year, but this sucks. Thank god for xda! The devs here should have their own national holiday.
We don't really know anything about its spec just many rumors/fantasy's.
The only thing we do know its a bit curved , possibly a concave display , seen in one of the interview videos.
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Am I the only one that worries more about 2.3 than 2.2? Samsung is literally the last top of the line phone to get 2.2....ridiculous....Will we see 2.3/3.0? I mean this phone should have came with 2.2 or at latest sept. I really expect samsung to support these phones through July 2011. Does anyone else? What's your expectations?
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Just a correction, x10 is still on 1.6 so wer not that far behind
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Just a correction, x10 is still on 1.6 so wer not that far behind
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X10 is not a top of the line device. It was supposed to be out last feb...by the time it came out, middle of the pack at best.
I would not base any standards on a SE device.
we still have a lot of things to play with...I played with Samsung focus and the position of camera&usb&mic I can say it's definitely the same with captivate...
Very true i hate how SAMSUNG doesn't update their devices. I might just get a nexus one now haha
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The sad part the Captivate its the only good android phone on at&t. I guess we're stuck with the captivate forever thanks att.
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The sad part the Captivate its the only good android phone on at&t. I guess we're stuck with the captivate forever thanks att.
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Motorola is supposed to be bringing a dual core phone to AT&T in feb. That's if you like blur. I'm also not sold on dual core either... I mean hello battery drain and for what positives? The soc in our captivate has yet to be pushed by anything android market can throw at it.
The resale value on this phone is gonna be horrible. I sold my 3GS last month for 300. Think in oct 2011 I can sell this phone for 200? Sucks. If the software support was there, they would wipe the floor with apple.
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Motorola is supposed to be bringing a dual core phone to AT&T in feb. That's if you like blur. I'm also not sold on dual core either... I mean hello battery drain and for what positives? The soc in our captivate has yet to be pushed by anything android market can throw at it.
The resale value on this phone is gonna be horrible. I sold my 3GS last month for 300. Think in oct 2011 I can sell this phone for 200? Sucks. If the software support was there, they would wipe the floor with apple.
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No way. The only reason people are on this forum / using this phone is because this is the only competitive att android. I love android os, but Samsung is so terrible at public relations that nobody will want a phone that never updates and has a broken GPS. You would be lucky to get 200 in 6 months...
Seriously I hope for my sake att doesn't get another good android phone for a while... all the developers will leave this behind
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The new dual-core suppose to use less power then current single-core , if its true i wouldn't worrie about power.
you samsung guys are soooo pessmist ,
I come form a motorola phone with a locked bootloader , 2.2 was announce for the end of Q4
just to show there is worst then samsung ...
on a side note this devce can run custom kernel , so as long as source is release for gingerbread who cares even if its only out for htc it will eventually be ported to SGS , as long as there is a need for it it will happen ...as simple as that ...
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No way. The only reason people are on this forum / using this phone is because this is the only competitive att android. I love android os, but Samsung is so terrible at public relations that nobody will want a phone that never updates and has a broken GPS. You would be lucky to get 200 in 6 months...
Seriously I hope for my sake att doesn't get another good android phone for a while... all the developers will leave this behind
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See that is exactly how Apple keeps winning the war. Software support. It's an easy Eco system to buy into because the hardware is almost always supported for years. Yes closed systems. But the resale value for notebooks, computers, and iPhones is awesome. My wife will easily be able to pay for her next iPhone by selling the iPhone 4, hell we made 100 profit on both our 3GS. I have bought 2 3GS, an iPad, and a MacBook air.
I really love android and I love the hardware samsung puts out. I just wish they could grasp the concept of full customer support. They just come across as shady salesmen that can't wait to push the next big thing.
If I can't sell my captivate for much $$, I certainly won't be buying the next samsung whatever.
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you samsung guys are soooo pessmist ,
I come form a motorola phone with a locked bootloader , 2.2 was announce for the end of Q4
just to show there is worst then samsung ...
on a side note this devce can run custom kernel , so as long as source is release for gingerbread who cares even if its only out for htc it will eventually be ported to SGS , as long as there is a need for it it will happen ...as simple as that ...
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Sorry...I came from a cdma HTC Sprint hero...and people have a right to be pessimistic about all of this. I've been down this road with them where 2.2 was promised..but never delivered..Yes..we could root and flash to other roms including Cyanogen's 2.2 CM6....but..the whole point is getting what was promised to begin with..
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Sorry...I came from a cdma HTC Sprint hero...and people have a right to be pessimistic about all of this. I've been down this road with them where 2.2 was promised..but never delivered..Yes..we could root and flash to other roms including Cyanogen's 2.2 CM6....but..the whole point is getting what was promised to begin with..
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The way I see it these companies should make one of the following choices:
1. Sell cellphones with untouched Android. Leave it like wp7 and ios and let google handle software upgrades etc.
2. Have your custom software but support upgrades until hardware is no longer up to par. Maybe make their software downloadable through the market so we just update as needed but can run stock android while waiting.
3. Get out of the cellphone business and just become a hardware manufacture for real cellphone companies that can provide support.
I personally think option 1 is the best.... And most profitable. I mean samsung is stretched pretty thin. They make tvs and washing machines while trying to make cell phones, manufacture chips, and be a software company. Do what you do best and stick with it.
http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/4229-android-gingerbread-samsung-epic-captivate-fascinate-vibrant
I sure hope so.
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http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/4229-android-gingerbread-samsung-epic-captivate-fascinate-vibrant
I sure hope so.
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Not a chance.
Ditto.
Don't see why we would go to froyo with gingerbread around the corner.
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Of course you don't know that.
And what has kept me rofling with the xda community is their lack of hope. Before the Nexus S was announced, many people speculated it being real. A lot of folks kept saying "No, CEO of Google said no Nexus Two." Which is true, it's not a Nexus Two. It's a Nexus S. They just kept quoting Eric Schmidt and saying "see he said there will be no new device" etc. And it eventually happened.
So I wouldn't be in complete doubt about this. I'm not in high hopes either. But it wouldn't surprise me if Samsung was working on 2.3 this entire time.
And everyone says "it's at&T that is holding it back." Where was it ever even confirmed that at&T received the software from samsung and was "adding" in their bloat? I don't recall EVER seeing that.
It wouldn't make sense to me from a business point of view for Samsung to skip Froyo and push out Gingerbread while releasing a new product for a new client "Nexus", unless they are trying to boost image and make up for the GPS fiasco by doing the unexpected? Do you think Google would have anything to say for when Gingerbread gets released by Samsung?
But aren't there reports of the Epic getting Froyo?
seriously?
expecting samsung to develop gingerbread for the phones already released is kinda like playing russian roulette with a glock and expecting to win...
Really?
Yeah, like twitter is a reputable source for anything...
I could pee.
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seriously?
expecting samsung to develop gingerbread for the phones already released is kinda like playing russian roulette with a glock and expecting to win...
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This made me literally lol!
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Oh boy....another rumor thread.....just what we need!
*grabs popcorn*
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Oh boy....another rumor thread.....just what we need!
*grabs popcorn*
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pass the bucket... anyone know how much a large dr pepper is at this showing?
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pass the bucket... anyone know how much a large dr pepper is at this showing?
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That depends on which theatre you're in. If you're in the eastern zones and you want a large, you can't get a Dr. Pepper. We will be selling a super-large Dr. Pepper shortly though. And unlike our previous offerings, it will have all the stuff you wanted in the "large" such as ice...and Dr. Pepper.
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Oh boy....another rumor thread.....just what we need!
*grabs popcorn*
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At least this one is marked as a [Rumor] rather than a "Wouldn't it be great...."
It wouldn't make any sense for the Galaxy S phones jumping from 2.1 to 2.3.
It's obvious that Samsung has already invested time and money on 2.2. For Samsung to now scratch the 2.2 release and go straight to 2.3 would mean they toss all of that work in the bucket. Only a company with a terrible business practices would do something like that... wait, we may be jumping straight to 2.3 after all.
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seriously?
expecting samsung to develop gingerbread for the phones already released is kinda like playing russian roulette with a glock and expecting to win...
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hey! there's still a chance it might jam and not fire .p
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It wouldn't make any sense for the Galaxy S phones jumping from 2.1 to 2.3.
It's obvious that Samsung has already invested time and money on 2.2. For Samsung to now scratch the 2.2 release and go straight to 2.3 would mean they toss all of that work in the bucket. Only a company with a terrible business practices would do something like that... wait, we may be jumping straight to 2.3 after all.
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While the odds are slim, i would not completely discount it. There's the possibility that since they have already been working on the new Nexus S they have come further along with 2.3 than 2.2. if i was Samsung, i'd have put more developers and money to toward 2.3 and the NS. If they are similar enough, they could port it and you now.. gain some customer satisfaction and possible repeat business.
Nexus S is pretty much a Galaxy S, so a port might be quite easy.
Also 2.3 seems to be tailored towards power saving for AMOLED screens, with more dark elements, so again it might be easy.
Apple releasing OS updates for iOS for about 2 years has not seemed to hurt their sales much. Yes they are a different situation somewhat, but if Samsung wants to create a brand following with this S brand, they better show some customer loyalty before I show them any loyalty. Thats how Apple earned their following; they deliver at a high level to their customers.
Ugh, how is it that people think just because Gingerbread came out, that all phone companies should be able to release it immediately? I mean, geez, it took months for anyone to put out Froyo. Maybe I'm wrong.....
To my understanding (correct me), Samsung makes phone while Eclair is in the wild. Samsung (obviously) codes phone to work with Eclair. Google releases Froyo. Samsung says "I want that" and has a 2nd team begin coding Froyo. Samsung can't just drop the months of work to produce Eclair and start all over, it would delay the phone. Samsung releases phone. Samsung releases update. Google releases Gingerbread. Samsung COULD start coding Gingerbread. But not until they get their hands on it.
I hate hearing people say "why can't we just skip to 2.3", or whatever. Things take time. I always thought that companies had to wait for Google to release the OS before they could start working on it (or do they get it earlier??). With that being said, how could Gingerbread be right around the corner? Froyo was released in May, Samsung released their update in what....September or Oct (I don't remember and don't wanna look it up).....it took at least 4 months of development. So, if Samsung were to release a Gingerbread update for Galaxy S, it won't happen until what.... April? Then of course it'll take another 2-3 months to reach the Captivate. So now it's July 2011.....and I'll be buying another phone by then. I remember hearing people during the Froyo launch complain that Samsung should just "wait for Gingerbread, it's right around the corner." Yeah, if you consider 6+ months "around the corner."
I mean, I hope I am missing something......I would love to see Samsung keep support fairly current for this phone. But there reaches a time when its no longer feasible.
Sorry if you actually read that.......just annoyed....
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This is what I think would happen, if anything...i see sammy doing the same thing that moto did with the cliq and backflip, integrating parts of 2.3 into 2.2... moto included jit in 2.1 for those users (used to be me) and it kind of quieted the noise
However, it would start some major fires in europe, so it probably won't happen.
And we probably won't get an official gingerbread either.
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Check out this brief note about the ever elusive Froyo update for our beloved, under performing (OOTB) phone.
http://erictric.com/2011/01/03/sams...froyo-update-for-samsung-galaxy-s-smartphone/
Upside...well, I've speculated before and been wrong...probably am here too, but trying to break my life-long mold of being a total skeptic:
We might just go straight to Gingerbread?????
Even if we get ginger and not froyo this will be the last samsung product i purcase
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I don't really care anymore when the official 2.2 update will come out. I'm happy sticking with custom roms until the Motorola Atrix comes out. Hopefully it will live up to the hype. The Captivate is my first and last Samsung cell phone I'll ever buy.
I too am just waiting for the atrix. I've never bought a phone off contact but will be forced too cause I bought the captivate with my upgrade. Its not that I'm totally unhappy with the captivate, just upset that samsung has don't so little to ensure that their "flagship" phone stays up to date. Its too bad too cause it has such great potential.
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I agree with all of you. I'm fairly pleased with my custom rom too, but feel like it still could be better if devs had source for the cappy.
Also, my first and last Samsung phone. I'm boycotting them altogether. My next phone Sony or Motorola...CES showed off some good stuff. Next flat screen TV Sony prolly, or maybe an LG; def done with Samsung.
Bastards say still testing but steadily releasing new products with Froyo and even GB.
Gonna have to find the money to break my contract with AT&T cause I'm not paying them an upgrade fee.
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We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality.
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So i guess we can expect these delays on future phones too due to complexity/unique functionality? Heheh...
Those phones that samsung will announce next month better have gingerbread from the start, i don't think anyone can rely on samsung to put out an update anymore.
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So i guess we can expect these delays on future phones too due to complexity/unique functionality? Heheh...
Those phones that samsung will announce next month better have gingerbread from the start, i don't think anyone can rely on samsung to put out an update anymore.
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Yeah, that's the killer. The SGS line was supposed to be their Flagship Android line for the US...got tons of people on board only to essentially abandoned us to work on new products to trick people in to buying. They can't get us an update for this line but they can put the OS on new products without any problems. Just look at what the devs on this forum have done with a FW that's not even for our device. If they can do it, then surely the makers of the damn line could. I hope they crash and burn, market share wise. It may take a while but if they continue this BS with other lines and products people are eventually going to say f-off.
My next phone is going to be either Motorola or HTC. In fact, I just replaced my Samsung TV with a LG. I am done with Samsung all together.
Cry some more? Even when they come out with it, it will just be stripped and modded and redistributed on the forums. The custom ones will be better than anything Samsung will put out.
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Cry some more? Even when they come out with it, it will just be stripped and modded and redistributed on the forums. The custom ones will be better than anything Samsung will put out.
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No doubt...I don't care about the ROM they release; just that source code so the talented devs on this forum can unleash it. I will never run another stock ROM on ANY Android device, ever. This forum is the bomb!!!!
Like others above this is my last Samsung phone ever. Sucks I wasted my upgrade for this crap.
I do appreciate the developers on this forum though for the custom roms. Thanks again!
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My next phone is going to be either Motorola or HTC. In fact, I just replaced my Samsung TV with a LG. I am done with Samsung all together.
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This is the exact same conversation that everyone was having in the motorola forums with the backflip cliq and cliq xt. Htc is the only ones that have a reputation good for upgrading their phones, but moto and samsung have the best hardware (imo). Cant beat the screen on this thing and every moto I own has been indestructable. So now I buy the phone with the best hardware and community support. I have come to love flashing my phone with something different all the time, whether it be roms or themes, so I will never again buy a phone on the day of release. I will always wait untill the devs behind xda have a go at the device. Then at that point I could care less about manufacturer upgrades
Just my two cents... Take it or leave it
And ps. Youll never pry my 2 samsung hdtv's out of my cold dead hands. Best picture youll find in the price range
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Lets face it Samsung makes the best hardware, But everything Support Software Updates Sucks harry monkey ****.
I will never get a samsung android phone.
Samsung has been tweeting the same message since the end of December when they knew they would miss the "End of Year" commitment.
But for all those convinced they are evil, go read the forums and blogs for other phones - all manufacturers miss dates, and many times it is due to carrier involvement. The grass always seems greener elsewhere, but the truth is, the same frustrations exist with all vendors.
Then the choice is clear. Generic non carrier phones.
All you guys high on the Moto Atrix, doesnt Moto lock down the phones so you cant root (easily or at all) ? Every manufacturer has their issues. Im hardly a Samsung fan but Id rather have custom ROM's and Galaxy S seems to allow that without much hassle.
I'm not happy with Samsung by any means, but I also remember waiting for a year for the WinMo update for the HTC Tilt 2 and it came from HTC, not AT$T. It's a tricky balance the relationship these companies have. If a new release borks up a significant number of users it could be a customer service nightmare for both companies with each trying to figure out who gets to fix it. That said, it does seem as though Samsung has moved on and is more focused on selling newer phones than taking care of their existing customer base. That's a bad business decision for any company, especially in an industry where product cycles are so short, customer memories are so long and most marketing is by word of mouth and internet forums.
Can I ask why? I have a captivate, flashed froyo on it and i'm loving it. Is it just Samsung that you don't like or theres something wrong with your phone?
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Can I ask why? I have a captivate, flashed froyo on it and i'm loving it. Is it just Samsung that you don't like or theres something wrong with your phone?
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Because they made a promise (online and in writing) to provide the Froyo update. My dislike also comes from having had 2 Samsung HDTVs that, while having great pictures, developed problems that were poorly handled by Samsung service. And while you may be happy with your modded phone, we shouldn't HAVE to flash a non-OEM ROM just to enjoy things like a working GPS or enhancements that other users in other countries are able to enjoy.
Maybe you don't like Samsung, but I love them. Awesome screen, great performance, good battery, and well I don't use GPS so honestly I don't care (I would use Network GPS before real GPS anyway).
I will most likely buy the 4.5" Infuse 4G, unless they make a 4.5" windows phone 7 (which I doubt, WP7 has horrible phones).
This is a thread to express your anger at AT&T for not updating phones on a timely basis... They are stalling so they don't have to put their Developers to work and update phones, yet the *PRIZED* possession of AT&T, the Iphone (I$hit) and let apple update them on their own and don't fill them with bloatware.... I absolutely hate that they treat phones like that....
Modz please don't close, this is meant to be a venting thread!
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This is a thread to express your anger at AT&T for not updating phones on a timely basis... They are stalling so they don't have to put their Developers to work and update phones, yet the *PRIZED* possession of AT&T, the Iphone (I$hit) and let apple update them on their own and don't fill them with bloatware.... I absolutely hate that they treat phones like that....
Modz please don't close, this is meant to be a venting thread!
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Just flash CyanogenMod, it's infinitely better than that bloatware infused crap anyway
Agreed, I just root and flash and don't worry about att. Most average users don't even know what a update is nor do they care.
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I run MIUI so no worries there, just once source is released, bugs will be fixed!
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This thread is unnecessary. If you are on xda, chances are you are looking to make your phone better. If not, you probably don't care. Why is this thread different from others complaining about a carrier? And if you are on Miui why complain? Even with source there will be bugs needing fixed.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!
There will be less bugs than there are already!
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Less yes, but still bugs. All I am saying is creating a thread to vent on a forum that is designed to change how your phone works is pointless. Go back to stock on your phone because the bugs will not be as plentiful.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!
Usually I wouldn't worry about this thread and move on, but I agree with the OP about the iPhone.
When AT&T got possession of the most powerful phone in the world (SGS II, for those that don't know) there wasn't one single advertisement saying that it was coming out or that they was selling it. When the iPhone had TWO WEEKS to release there was a big *** advertisement on their homepage for preorders. On top of that, when you look at their smartphones the iPhone lineup from the best to the worst that they are selling are all of the first phones listed, where's the SGS II? DEAD LAST!!!
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I don't blame AT&T that much, why wouldn't they push a single phone that millions want vs. pushing all of the android phones they have, in the past two months we have seen the galaxy s II, the Atrix II, the SkyRocket and the Vivid released. Before that it as the Atrix, Infuse, and Inspire, all the while Apple has released 1 phone. From a marketing perspective its much cheaper to push 1 phone vs. the 7 I just mentioned and the other 4 smaller releases they have had for android. On top of that they are also selling Windows 7 and blackberry phones. To sum it up its makes sense and is cheaper for them the market the hell out the most popular phone in America then to have to create new campaigns every month for the next flagship phone that gets released for Android. I think that extends to updates as well, I would bet if there were one android manufacturer like Apple for Iphone we would see much quicker updates, its just sort the headache you sign up for when you buy an android phone, if you want quick updates get a google phone, otherwise all you can do is flash.
b-eock said:
This is a thread to express your anger at AT&T for not updating phones on a timely basis... They are stalling so they don't have to put their Developers to work and update phones
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Dude, the captivate is a 1 year old model, unless they start melting down in peoples hands, dont expect another update for your phone. I can just about promise ICS will never come for cappy from AT&T. Be glad we did finally get GB.
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Dude, the captivate is a 1 year old model, unless they start melting down in peoples hands, dont expect another update for your phone. I can just about promise ICS will never come for cappy from AT&T. Be glad we did finally get GB.
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We didn't get official Gingerbread... and Google requires updates for At least 18 months!
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... but.... we haven't got GB. Not officially. We have to rely on leaks from Samsung.
Edit: b-eock beat me to it.
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I've come to expect very little from AT&T. Just a bit more than the bare minimum (i.e. a phone that can call people).
also if you want to express any opinion to At&t, contact At&t. dont expect that they research their old products as well enough to find this message to them.
email, call - i think they have these options if not default to angry letter attached to a box with an old style wind up clock in it.
TRusselo said:
email, call - i think they have these options if not default to angry letter attached to a box with an old style wind up clock in it.
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I was largely under the presumption that, as AT&T customers, we've done this so often that we're sick of it and absolutely can't stand another 3hr+ chat just to get them to send us a replacement phone.
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I was largely under the presumption that, as AT&T customers, we've done this so often that we're sick of it and absolutely can't stand another 3hr+ chat just to get them to send us a replacement phone.
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Many people haven't needed replacement phones because of the os not getting updated. I don't think that has ever happened.
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flashman2002 said:
Many people haven't needed replacement phones because of the os not getting updated. I don't think that has ever happened.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!
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I was specifically referencing the idea of calling AT&T, not discussing the issue of replacement phones.
ok then dont call them. make a blog, or yell at the wall, it will do you the same amount of good as posting here.
Stupid question but how is Sprint & Verizon when it comes to updates? I have read they also do the same, MetroPCS are still selling Eclair phones I believe.
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It is pretty much all the us providers that slow down getting the updates. Some manufacturers were sending out pretty frequent updates for their phones but usually it was because they would send out an update like 2.2 which would have some bugs, then a month later they would supposedly fix those bugs with an update that incremented to 2.2.1, 2.2.3 or whatever (I do not remember the exact updates but some of my coworkers with their HTC or Moto phones seemed to get the little incremented updates pretty often, but going from lets say 2.2 to 2.3 took a while.
This is ONE of the advanteges to 1. having a sister device in common like the i9000 and i897 cappy and as well the i9100 and i777. Which WILL allow us on Cappys and ATT OG SGS2's to stay ahead of whatever it is the provider puts out. Like on my cappy I was running froyo maybe 6 months before att decided to put out a official update, then just as att put out the official froyo I was running leaked gingerbread roms which STILL has not been made official from att.
AND 2. being a part of the XDA community so we can get these BETTER THAN STOCK ROM leaks well before.
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I am getting really fed up with the constant line of BS from both Samsung and AT&T about the release date of Gingerbread on the Captivate. So, yesterday, I spent a couple of hours bugging everyone that I could about it. Twitter feeds were pretty much useless, but I got into a chat with the AT&T service center.
I pointedly asked when Gingerbread would be out on the Captivate. The rep first tried to tell me that she thought it was already out, and started looking for when it was released. I pointed out that it was not yet out, that kies mini had not been released for it, and that both Samsung and AT&T's websites still showed the phone with 2.2.
She stopped typing for a couple of minutes. I asked if there was anyone else that I could contact that would know. That I was extremely disappointed in the experience that I've had with AT&T and the Captivate so far, and that I was definitely not buying another AT&T Samsung phone.
More time passed, as she asked me to hang on while she made some calls. When she returned, she told me that the release schedule was set by Samsung, and that AT&T had already approved GB for the Captivate. Note that this is the opposite story as what I've gotten from Samsung.
She went on to say that the Samsung person who she had just talked to on the phone had told her that it would be "next year" before Captivates are updated to 2.3.
So, take it with a grain of salt, but I would not be surprised. That date is after most of the early adopters are upgrade eligible, and I would bet that they are waiting for us to upgrade to new handsets rather than push out the 2.3 update.
TL;DR: AT&T blames Samsung for delay (Samsung blames AT&T). AT&T service rep says that Samsung is not releasing update until next year.
Seeing as how Rogers updated the virtually identical i896 to GB already, I'm going out on a limb and saying AT$T is to blame...just as they were on delayed Froyo release.
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Madtowndave said:
Seeing as how Rogers updated the virtually identical i896 to GB already, I'm going out on a limb and saying AT$T is to blame...just as they were on delayed Froyo release.
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T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G (different than the Vibrant) got it already, too. And the Fascinate (Verizon variant) is set to get it any day now. It could come out for the Captivate at any time...or never at all.
But the fact is that the phone is no longer being marketed and no new ones are being shipped for sale. You can get refurbs and a handful of places might have some stragglers in stock. But neither AT&T nor Samsung will make any money off the Captivate moving forward, so they have no incentive to keep them updated other than making existing owners happy trying to retain them. How many people want an upgrade to 2.3? 10? 1000? 5000? Drop in the bucket for them. For every person who leaves AT&T because of the Captivate, they'll probably gain a Verizon customer who hated the Fascinate.
People don't like to switch carriers, so AT&T has little to lose by not updating to 2.3.
Samsung is making a killing off the SGS2 line and will also do so with the Galaxy Nexus. Plus, a lot of captivate owners who can even tell the difference between 2.2 and 2.3 have probably already moved on to other phones. Sadly, the number of people who want 2.3 for the Captivate is decreasing every day while the number of people using newer Samsung phones is increasing by huge numbers every day.
I've only owned the phone for a year, but I'm already set on getting the Galaxy Nexus. At this point, I just don't really care whether 2.3 ever comes out for the Captivate. I think a lot of people have similar opinions.
I think the majority of current Captivate owners don't even know that they're a version behind and will just go pick out a new phone when their contracts are up. I would imagine that AT&T and Samsung view such an update more as an expense with little return rather than an investment in retaining customers.
So I guess what I'm saying is: Hope for it, but don't hold your breath.
Guys.. not trying to be mean but, this is a modders forum.. if you haven't already rooted and rommed your phones.. I would encourage it.
At&t can release the official GB update today for all I care.. I am sticking with CM7(gingerbread) and then cm9(Ice cream sandwich).
I got this phone knowing it would take forever to see 2.2 officially.. 2.3 would probably never come out either...
But, it has amazing dev support which is comparable to any phone out there just about.
Wondering when GB will come out, now that ICS is about to be available in rom form just seems futile.
Sure there are a few quirks every so often with roms.. but, most of the time they are as stable as the stock..
If it's not coming why is Sammy wasting it's time, money and energy making an AT&T bloated GB update?
I already have my sights set on the GSII. Been running GB for many months now, anyway.
We all know it is and has been att for a LONG TIME that don't get out the updates in a timely manner. Samsung has actually stepped up its game on getting updates ready. We can see this with how samsung 2.3 leaks with att bloatware already in it MONTHS AGO. So it is definetelh att. Samsung.g has been really quick with putting out source code for newer phones also as an example, all the SGS2'S INCLUDING the att SGS2 had the source code either days before or within a few days of the phone being released. Another example for samsung is the source code (not her the kernel) for the new galaxy nexus has been out for over a week and the phone just got released what yesterday or something.
Unfortunately alot of the great devs have moved onto the ATT SGS2 and other sgs2's but there are still some great devs around here for the cappy. If you follow the i9000 (which still has great support) you can see they are already making ICS working with pretty quick strides. Once they get it working hopefully a dev from this section can reoriented a kernel for the cappy.
So LONG STORY SHORT, DONT WAIT FOR ATT as any of us that got the captivate on/near release date knows. Just get into using modded OS roms and forget about waiting for att. That is why MOST of are actually on a Modding site in the first place, right?
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I could care less about the "official" GB release from AT&T, it's the source code that's important to everyone in the Android community.
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After getting the Captivate in February of this year, I was curious when we would get Foyo. I flashed Cognition 4 within a week of owning the phone. I'm now on GB and do not expect ATT to ever update it or release the official source code.
I'm just going to wait for the Galaxy Nexus when my upgrade in July is available...unless something better comes out by then.
And this is why I am utterly perplexed by people's flagrant affinity towards Samsung. Even if it's AT&T's fault, why would you want to put up with this again?
At least the GS2 is also a development-friendly phone, but still. I'm never buying another Samsung again. I'll put KK2 or whatever on this phone, and look for a new HTC on Black Friday.
Being apathetic to AT&T's lack of support just because you're on a custom GB ROM is terrible. That kind of behavior just encourages AT&T and other carriers to continue to have terrible support practices.
You know that ROM you're on? Aside from Cyanogen, it's based on some other carrier's GB ROM. What if Rogers looked at AT&T's model for support and saw that it cost much less and the customers didn't complain (because so many of you are so apathetic now), and copied it (ie. didn't put out an update)? We then wouldn't have a base for half our ROMs.
Guys this was an old story before android was ever released. Carriers are never great about timely updates if ever and att is the worst. If you want a phone based on the updates then get a nexus. No point in really complaining about it unless you have a great idea how to fix it.
Is it right? Nope. Will it change? Maybe. But how is the question. Spamming them about it doesn't work. Emails do nothing so open to ideas
Why would they keep leaking i897 firmware if they didnt plan to release it?
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Why would they keep leaking i897 firmware if they didnt plan to release it?
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They always have. We have seen dozens of leaks that were never sent officail. They do it to keep us happy. Figure if they give us enough leaks then we will not complain about when the official will be released.
The main ones that don't see this are the ones new to smart phone Modding on XDA. We prefer the beta leaks anyway
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And this is why I am utterly perplexed by people's flagrant affinity towards Samsung. Even if it's AT&T's fault, why would you want to put up with this again?
At least the GS2 is also a development-friendly phone, but still. I'm never buying another Samsung again. I'll put KK2 or whatever on this phone, and look for a new HTC on Black Friday.
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Don't get the Vivid as it has a locked down bootloader and hasn't been perma rooted yet.
This is why I went to an unlocked unbranded phone. If you look at how often official updates have hit the i9000 and i9100 it will make you sick to still be on a locked and branded phone.
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T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G (different than the Vibrant) got it already, too. And the Fascinate (Verizon variant) is set to get it any day now. It could come out for the Captivate at any time...or never at all.
But the fact is that the phone is no longer being marketed and no new ones are being shipped for sale. You can get refurbs and a handful of places might have some stragglers in stock. But neither AT&T nor Samsung will make any money off the Captivate moving forward, so they have no incentive to keep them updated other than making existing owners happy trying to retain them. How many people want an upgrade to 2.3? 10? 1000? 5000? Drop in the bucket for them. For every person who leaves AT&T because of the Captivate, they'll probably gain a Verizon customer who hated the Fascinate.
People don't like to switch carriers, so AT&T has little to lose by not updating to 2.3.
Samsung is making a killing off the SGS2 line and will also do so with the Galaxy Nexus. Plus, a lot of captivate owners who can even tell the difference between 2.2 and 2.3 have probably already moved on to other phones. Sadly, the number of people who want 2.3 for the Captivate is decreasing every day while the number of people using newer Samsung phones is increasing by huge numbers every day.
I've only owned the phone for a year, but I'm already set on getting the Galaxy Nexus. At this point, I just don't really care whether 2.3 ever comes out for the Captivate. I think a lot of people have similar opinions.
I think the majority of current Captivate owners don't even know that they're a version behind and will just go pick out a new phone when their contracts are up. I would imagine that AT&T and Samsung view such an update more as an expense with little return rather than an investment in retaining customers.
So I guess what I'm saying is: Hope for it, but don't hold your breath.
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You don't know that the fascinate will get it this year. Many Captivate users were promised a release "soon". Verizon is known for slow updates. I doubt that the fascinate will get it this year, I could be wrong.
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Don't get the Vivid as it has a locked down bootloader and hasn't been perma rooted yet.
This is why I went to an unlocked unbranded phone. If you look at how often official updates have hit the i9000 and i9100 it will make you sick to still be on a locked and branded phone.
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If I can temproot and remove all the crapware, I'd be happy enough.
The idea of burning $500+ and still being network-bound to one of America's lousy GSM-based providers is beyond me. If I had that sort of money, I'd just go to the reasonably update-friendly Big Red and take some subsidization to get a better plan.
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Guys this was an old story before android was ever released. Carriers are never great about timely updates if ever and att is the worst. If you want a phone based on the updates then get a nexus. No point in really complaining about it unless you have a great idea how to fix it.
Is it right? Nope. Will it change? Maybe. But how is the question. Spamming them about it doesn't work. Emails do nothing so open to ideas
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I would say that Verizon is by far the worst with Sprint being the best out of the 4 major carriers.
The Fascinate was LAST to receive froyo out of all galaxy s phones.
Sprint needs to work on their network.
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I would say that Verizon is by far the worst with Sprint being the best out of the 4 major carriers.
The Fascinate was LAST to receive froyo out of all galaxy s phones.
Sprint needs to work on their network.
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Sprint is nearly even breathing. I don't think the company will last another 10 years. Not only do they run on an outdated CDMA network but the signal strength due to lack of network towers makes them 4thbout of the top four.
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Sprint is nearly even breathing. I don't think the company will last another 10 years. Not only do they run on an outdated CDMA network but the signal strength due to lack of network towers makes them 4thbout of the top four.
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I agree with you, but they offer the best support and fastest product updates out of the big 4 carriers.
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This has been driving me crazy. See I bricked a phone in May and I'm anxious for the update so AT&T and Samsung can update my bootloaders for me, and then its on them. I just want them to release the damn update so I can go to a gingerbread rom. I'm willing to bet if I just bit the bullet and went to gingerbread I wouldn't brick my phone with bootloaders, but after you brick a phone it does make you scared to ever mess with boatloaders again. I'm running Cognition 4.5 right now, and the phones running great, but I still would like to go to the newest version of Android.
I will say everyone can complain about Samsung/AT&T all they want but unless your sporting an official Google Phone (nexus one/Nexus S/galaxy Nexus) you're waiting forever on updates, and getting cut off way too soon. I do think if your in the market for an android phone its best to buy one that has the best hardware and has the current version of Android already installed, because regardless of what carrier/manufacturer you go through you're going to wait on updates. For example, the HTC Droid Incredible came out before our phone and just got its GB update the other day.