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ok viewsonic has 2 of these tablets that look exactly the same and same price, One runs android 2.2, the other one dual boots windows 7 home premium and android 1.6. this one also has a dual core intel atom 1.6 ghz processor, 1 gb ram and 16 gb storage.
http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_10104_00382001000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1#specs
http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7212231
Possible to flash the windows 7 one with newer version of android like 2.2 or higher? Already has 1.6 on it
First, Kmart's listing my be incorrect. I think it could just be a g-tablet mistakenly labled as the Viewsonic's dual boot device. Much like Sears had on their sight originally.
Second, I believe its a single core Intel Atom processor.
Thirdly, Officially Intel X86 processors don't support anything over Android 1.6. There is project by a group of developers that are working on getting 2.2 to run on X86 processors. I don't know much about the effort so you will have to do a search.
Lastly, realize that a tablet running on an intel processor will get much less battey life that one running on ARM processors.
That's about all I can tell you. Hope it helped some.
That ad is incorrect. The listing and price is for a G-Tablet, but the product description below is for the Viewpad 10, which sells for well over $500 and does run W7 and Android 1.6.
The G-Tablet is ARM, Viewpad is Atom (x86).
I don't think there is an easily usable x86-friendly ROM with 2.2 yet. Read all about it here:http://www.android-x86.org/
They are not the same; you should specially take a look at the processor.
Gtablet has a tegra 250 that give a great power with a low energy consumption(Nut it wont run windows until the drivers are written)
The other one has an atom processor. Good speed and power but has a bigger energy consumption(around 3 or 4 hours with a single charge if lucky) and is able to run windows.
I would highly recommend Tegra 250 tablet just because it gives a much better tablet experience and the opportunity to upgrade to honeycomb.
A friend of mine locally came across the same ad for K Mart. went down to the store saw the device, asked questions, then went to purchase. when they wanted to charge him 599.00 he (with a smile) pulled a copy of the ad from his pocket and exclaimed "that's not what the ad says". They honored the price for him and he is less than pleased. I was able to test drive it for 30 min, and did not like it one bit.
The dual boot slows it down way too much, touch interface is less than responsive.
We tried 2 times to get it to flash and was unsuccessful in doing so. He is considering taking it back for a refund and buying the 2.2 droid version from Office Depot.
So if you MUST have W7 on ur Tab for whatever reason...this is not the device you want. My suggestion would be to wait for the ASUS tabs running W7 when they are released. STAY away from the VS dual boot G Tab.
Just my 2 cents.
The upcoming Viewpad 10Pro will dual boot between Windows and Android 2.2 and you don't have to reboot to switch from one to the other.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/viewsonic-viewpad-10pro-hands-on/
I'm not a fan of the Atom processor. My netbook has one and its GPU is very weak. It struggles with flash files. That is why I went with the gTablet with the Tegra2 its a very strong processor. Now with all that said no I can't load windows 7 and will most likely never be able to because of the processor instructions (ARM) are not compatible with windows 7 maybe windows 8 down the road. With that said I am not willing to sacrifice performance just to load a weak windows 7. I understand of course that you might have needs for windows we all do but I will find work arounds.
Blackbird1100 said:
The upcoming Viewpad 10Pro will dual boot between Windows and Android 2.2 and you don't have to reboot to switch from one to the other.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/viewsonic-viewpad-10pro-hands-on/
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I don't believe it is a true dual boot as they even say that Android 2.2 is running via a virtualization.
I know i'm gonna get burned at the stake for this one, since this is a tech forum, but dual core is just overkill AT THE PRESENT MOMENT. It's like computers. They are all now dualcore, most come with almost 4 gigs of ram. What in the hell would 95% of the population need AT THE MOMENT with something more powerful than that? LIke a quadcore with 8 gigs? NOTHING. It's just a ploy to get more money. Our 1ghz phones can run everything just fine. This isn't like the early days of android where it always felt like more ram and raw power was needed. We have hit a plateau where the current cellphone landscape fits MOST peoples needs. Can i really be the only one who thinks that it's just unnecessary?
Remember, xda only represents .0000000001% of actual real world use. I am talking about the layman who is actually gonna fall for the "OMFG ITS GONNA DO EVERYTHING SO MUCH BETTER AND FASTER", um no it's not. Most people dont even max out there current hardware.
Edit: Seriously people get a grip on reality. I'm not pushing my views on anyone. It's a ****ing forum, you know, one of those places where people discuss things??? The debate that has come out of this has been fantastic, and i have learned alot of things i didnt know. I'm not gonna change my original post to not confuse people reading the whole topic, but i can now understand why dual core does make some sense. Quit attacking me and making stuff so personal, it's uncalled for and frankly i'm about to ask a mod to close this topic cause it's getting so ridiculous. Learn how to have a debate without letting all the emotion get in the way or GTFO. YOUR the one with the problem, not me.
Xda doesn't care. We like specs, maxing out our devices, and most of all, benchmarking
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Well as do i! I'm talking about the uneducated masses.
more cores mean;
more threads
meaning better apps
meaning better FPS
meaning HD everything
meaning more capabilities
meaning more fun with less devices.
Do you remember the days you had a cell phone, a PDA, an MP3 player, a digital camera AND a laptop? All that was missing is your bat symbol and cape. I like not having to have a utility belt of gadgets on my person.
I would rather see them work on battery saving and density technologies to eventually allow for one week [heavy usage] times.
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I would rather see them work on battery saving and density technologies to eventually allow for one week [heavy usage] times.
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Hard for you to believe, i know, but that's what having a multi-core does, it helps improve battery life (both in standby and in usage). Sure it's not a definitive answer to our battery problems, but it's a first.
Hey Lude219, I thought I'd post this as I thought you gave a good explanation on battery life and usage (fifth one down).
It really all comes down to the person's requirements. If someone requires to run several apps at once, or requires to watch movies at a higher frame rate, or requires to have the 'best phone on the market', then they'll buy a dual-core phone, no-one else will care (much). Most people I talk to agree and think that Dual-Core in a phone is unnecessary ('dual-core phone' it even sounds ridiculous lol), but, I must admit that I was surprised at how laggy my DHD was out the packet, and don't get me wrong, I know once it's rooted it will be much better just because the SW is cleaner, but most people will not even contemplate rooting their phone, so if it's not an option for them, dual-core will surely help.
Dual-core procs don't have a higher power consumption than single-core procs (or at least they won't if they design/implement them properly), so it shouldn't (fingers crossed) make power consumption any worse.
Personally, I'd also rather they put they're time and effort into making better batteries and improving general power consumption.
It'll be the next marketing point after the dual-core hype has ebbed (Now with Three Days Standby!! YEY!!)
Well i think most people who do buy these "powerful" devices have one important reason to buy, and that is to future proof themselves. But ey, i'm looking at the perspective of a tech savy guy, I suppose the masses simply want the next best thing.
But you are right however, it is a ploy to make money, but everything in business is, so there's no difference between dual core, one core, 8 mp camera, 5 mp, 720p. 1080p, it's all business. If there was no business then.. well, where'd we get our smartphones?
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Hard for you to believe, i know, but that's what having a multi-core does, it helps improve battery life (both in standby and in usage). Sure it's not a definitive answer to our battery problems, but it's a first.
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I can easily go into why you're wrong, but I won't waste the calories. Other things besides just adding a core are done to get those gains. If more cores equaled more power savings, ULV cpus would be octo-core.
Just a matter time when they get battery life ironed out in smartphones and to the OP i would agree in some aspect, but they are smartphones why not just keep improving them. Else if someone never thought outside box we would still stuck with dumb phones =no fun.
here a link for next gen snap dragons sounds promising.
I won't lie, right now dual core is overkill. But in time like everything else has computer wise, it will be the normal and will be the way all devices go, that's not just considering dual core. I'm talking pure multicore threading. It's not just the number of cores you're buying as well, it's the difference core to core when you compare say arm cortex a8 to the Tegra II's Arm Cortex a9, single core the a9 will be faster and more efficient and also produce less heat thanks to the die shrink, which then also means less power draw per core. Right now for phones, dual core is futureproofing a bit for when we do have android that is fully multithreaded, and apps that are as well.
There's also something you need to remember, XDA isn't really a big fraction of people using android devices and what not, but not every android user is on XDA. I also disagree with everyone maxing out their hardware, just running my Evo with a few of the aosp live wallpapers my evo runs terrible, and web browsing isn't the greatest either depending on the website.
Oh dude you should so post this one overclock.net, the beat down you would get would be hilarious. But anyway back one topic, as for phones, well for some people dual core is nice, for example me and my friends, when we head off to lecture, all we can do is browse the web on our phones, all of us, for some odd reason like to have at least 6-8 tabs open at the same time and for the phones we have (I have an iphone 3gs, theres a couple captivates, Droid Inc 2, and some others), they sometimes tend to slow down with all of the tabs open. Also when you open up numerous applications, you have to sometimes close out of some of them because the one that is open starts to slow down. Thats a couple reasons that dual core is nice, with massive multitasking. But with the computer part, where you say that no one needs a quad core processor, well think about it, there are a lot of people who want performance (not just XDA, theres overclock.net, techpowerup, EVGA, HardOCP, etc) and just random people who want fast computers for reasons such as video processing, gaming (this is probably a big reason), ridiculous multitasking (I fall into this category cause I have over 125 tabs open in chrome right now and I actually needed to upgrade to 8 gb's of ram because it was saying I was running out of ram with only 4), and some people that want just plain snappiness from their computer. So I would not say that a quad core processor is overkill for most people as the demographic I mentioned above does include a decent amount of people.
Oh and I forgot to mention watching Hi def videos, your average intel integrated graphics card cannot play a 1080p video without issues so thats why you might need a faster processor and a faster GPU to play those videos in an HTPC.
But yes for your average everyday joe, a simple nehalem based dual core would suffice for everyday tasks such as web browsing and such but it cannot do much else.
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I know i'm gonna get burned at the stake for this one, since this is a tech forum, but dual core is just overkill AT THE PRESENT MOMENT. It's like computers. They are all now dualcore, most come with almost 4 gigs of ram. What in the hell would 95% of the population need AT THE MOMENT with something more powerful than that? LIke a quadcore with 8 gigs? NOTHING. It's just a ploy to get more money.
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Which is why netbooks took off for a while there (until people realized those were a bit too slow)
Our 1ghz phones can run everything just fine. This isn't like the early days of android where it always felt like more ram and raw power was needed. We have hit a plateau where the current cellphone landscape fits MOST peoples needs. Can i really be the only one who thinks that it's just unnecessary?
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I completely disagree. The difference between dual and single core for mobile devices is *huge*. There is a *huge* difference between everything running "fine" and everything running "great". The biggest difference is for games and web browser, which most people absolutely care about. There is also the wide range of more powerful apps it enables, which for now is more important on the tablet, but that will come to phones as well.
Dual core is not overkill, for one, its future proofing your phone, most ppl buy the phones on contract and in a couple of months dual cores will be the standard for high end smartphones, second, it allows for better GPU performance which leads to better games and overall experience, there are many benefits to it, too many for me to list...
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I can easily go into why you're wrong, but I won't waste the calories. Other things besides just adding a core are done to get those gains. If more cores equaled more power savings, ULV cpus would be octo-core.
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Yea, it's better if you don't, because I dont think you have any substantial knowledge on the matter to go against the research and knowledge of all the computer engineers out there. The reason why it's not octo-cores yet is because it's called a BUSINESS. But I wont waste the calories in telling you why that is until you go and read up on "economy of scales."
It'll be interesting at least to see what develops. See if they'll start doing proper separate GPU Die's or if they'll dedicate GPU cores on the proc (i.e quad core chip with 2 CPU cores and 2 GPU cores).
Hope people don't start to get burnt when they begin maxing out/overclocking their cores.
Funny, if you stop developing you get nothing because you are satisfied with nothing.
Us at XDA are techies and you give us more core more ram more battery we will figure what to create with the new abilities. That is how progress is done.
As far as the masses, let marketing depts do their thing to them........we do not care, never did. As for me, I have a 12 core motherboard with 32 gigs of ram.etc and I jack it to 85% demand almost every day, and I am sure that there are very very few computers that have this capabilities.
The funny thing more innovation make more efficiencies my computer under a full load uses less than most of the gaming rigs out there and has 50% more muscle.
On the phone dual core allow one to create algorithms that will make the battery use way more efficient.
More cores more ram === win win win for everyone, but us in XDA and other forums like this it is just great great great for us.......... don't worry we will use what ever is created 110% and make it better.
If dual core in your Nokia 3210, yes it's overkilling, but if dual core in your cad workstation, it's been overkilled. All depends on the user, usage, and design of the device.
Actually it's an arueable question whether dual-core cpus are an overkill today, they have several advantages but most of those can be applied to netbooks and tablets rather than phones.
1. When there are several CPUs, multi-threaded applications can be really run concurrently (and basically, even if one application is performing, the scheduling overhead for multi-core system is lower and background tasks like gui/hardware drivers can be executed on a separate core).
2. Another use case (although this is a misuse and abuse of CPU anyway) is the use of multi-core systems for encoding/decoding media. It brings absolutely no advantages to the end user, but when the CPU is powerful enough to handle the media stream, one may use it instead of a proper DSP processor which Google will likely be doing for VP8/WebM
3. SMPs can be useful in tablets and netbooks - for example, tegra2 will outperform intel atom in most cases (first of all, it is dual-core. and secondly, it has a very powerful GPU). I am personally using debian on my tablet (in chroot though) and many people are using ubuntu on toshiba ac100 - arm SoCs are a fun to hack and give an incredible battery life. But this is IMHO only acceptable for geeks like us and I think dual-core (or x-whatever-core) ARM CPUs will be useful for consumers (hate this word but whatever) if some vendor releases a device which will run a full-fledged linux distro with LibreOffice, math packages like octave/maxima, development environments like kdevelop so that it can be used as an equal replacement of an x86 netbook.
As for the popular arguement about power consumption - surprisingly, but there is little correlation between the number of cores and power drain. Newer SoCs are more energy efficient because they have improvements in technical process (literally the length of wires inside the chip), more devices are integrated into one chip, more processing blocks can be put to sleep states. Even if you compare a qualcomm qsd8250 running at 1GHz with a GPU enabled, it will use less power than an old 520 MHz intel pxa270. Besides, as I have already mentioned, a multiprocessor system can execute tasks concurrently which means that the computation will take less time and the processor will spend more time in a power-saving state.
Basically multi-cores are a popular trend and is a good way to make consumers pay for new toys. For me personally the reasons to change a device have always been either the age of the device (when it literally began to fall apart) or the real improvements in hardware (I updated from Asus P525 to Xperia X1 because ever since I had my first pda I was frustrated by the tiny 32 or 64 mb ram and awful screens with large pixels that were really causing pain in eyes if one used them for long) but unfortunately the situation now is the same as it is in the desktop world - software quality is getting worse even faster than hardware improves. Hence we see crap like java and other managed code on PDAs and applications that require like 10 Mb ram to perform simple functions (which were like 100 Kb back in winmo days). I do admit that using more ram can allow to use more efficient algorithms (to reduce their computational complexity) and managed code allows for higher portability - but hey, we know that commercial software is not developed with the ideas of efficiency in mind - the only things corporations care about are writing the application as quick as possible and hide the source code.
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Yea, it's better if you don't, because I dont think you have any substantial knowledge on the matter to go against the research and knowledge of all the computer engineers out there. The reason why it's not octo-cores yet is because it's called a BUSINESS. But I wont waste the calories in telling you why that is until you go and read up on "economy of scales."
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That and yields for Nehalem 8 cores aren't so high. Bulldozer yields are working out okay so far, but then again it's not a real 8 core cpu...
I thought one of the main disadvantages of WP7 has been inferior hardware.
For the original release Microsoft only supported the old snapdragon CPU with 1Ghz and Adreno 200.
Now for Mango, they did obviously update their support
for 8X55 and 7X30.
None of those are actually dualcore SoC's.
How are they going to keep up with Android if they continue offering inferior hardware specs? Or did I miss something?
I wish they do relase one which does. but they dont need dual core for the os so why burden the battery
"inferior hardware"
wow really?
dude, 1ghz, on a phone, thats everything else but inferior
it may be the truth that andoid is goin to need dual cores to give users a good looking and fluid experience, but windows phone is not.
no matter what handset you get, its working faaaast. no lags, no hickups, almost no loading times (and with mango its getting better)
so why would windows phone need it ?
However I would really like to have dual core phone,jut like to think that I have one of the fastest phones. But its true windows os is so smooth it wont make a perfermonce differnece, only thing that can help is using NAND memory instead of SD. Howver I want a better GPU so we can play faster games with good FPS and better quality, not saying that the quality is poor atm its great but it can always improve.
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"inferior hardware"
wow really?
dude, 1ghz, on a phone, thats everything else but inferior
it may be the truth that andoid is goin to need dual cores to give users a good looking and fluid experience, but windows phone is not.
no matter what handset you get, its working faaaast. no lags, no hickups, almost no loading times (and with mango its getting better)
so why would windows phone need it ?
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, but the problem is it's not about "why would WP need it".
The average consumer, who is used to buying PCs based on their specs, will look at an Android phone and a WP and compare them. If they don't know the difference between the two OS then they'll be looking at the specs.
What do you think they're going to choose..?
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, but the problem is it's not about "why would WP need it".
The average consumer, who is used to buying PCs based on their specs, will look at an Android phone and a WP and compare them. If they don't know the difference between the two OS then they'll be looking at the specs.
What do you think they're going to choose..?
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to be frank, the average customer knows a superficial knowledge of cell phones...and many still market dumb phones as the approach for all user needs. Nokia has addressed the h/w issues ad nauseum, so it wouldn't surprise me if Nokia would be the first wp7 with a dual core. In fact, I would love to grab a Nokia phone...
i thought of your point too
its true the specs are taken in consideration
but currently im not aware of any device that stand out..
i think the average people would think
2x cores = 2x power needed = half the battery
battery is a major aspect
so still, why build a dual core if nothing is using it, besides the battery
like i said, android may be able to to make their os fast & fluid
but why cant they do it on the current specs
you simply dont need heavy processin unit on your mobile device, as long as you wont do heavy processin on the device. the phone wont need it, but the tablet does.
the average user is used to windows
the average user uses the phone for not much more then phone, text, surf, game.
last but not least, the price, i dont know much about dual core phones (do they already exists?) but double the cores, may raise the price by a lot.
this year we wont need no dual cores....
To be honest, I never really felt the need of such a powerful processor in a phone. What can you use it for apart from games with high graphics?
I'm sure opening office docs, web pages, utility apps, music...everything at once still won't slow down the processes. It's a phone guys. Not a desktop PC.
Many years ago, I had a 1.2 GHz CPU running windows XP, which in fact ran heavy programs without any lag. And today, our phones have 1GHz CPU running a phone OS and apps that hardly go above 50mb.
What's the need, seriously?
I don't care about dual core yet, but would like to see some higher end devices. All first gen releases were very generic.
Newer Gen CPU/GPU (dual core not necessary till things are coded for it)
High Quality Material/build
32GB or 64GB Internal ROM
Super AMOLED/next gen if avail
512MB RAM
Good Battery
Good Quality Optics (iPhone4 or better (like Nokia N8))
Thats all I want. Maybe a FFC just for ****s n' giggles, but thats not high on my priority list.
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Now for Mango, they did obviously update their support
for 8X55 and 7X30.
None of those are actually dualcore SoC's.
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Well just like you said they have added support for new processors but neither of the new ones are dual core. We've heard rumors that ST-Ericsson will be supplying dual core chips for Nokia's Windows Phones but for now Qualcomm says they're the only WP7 manufacturer.
I don't doubt Windows Phone will see dual core support in the future. I have a feeling that Nokia won't be launching their Windows Phone alongside the others in September/October, but later in November or even December. That's when I think we'll see the first dual core Windows Phone. (Just speculation. No evidence for this.)
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I don't care about dual core yet, but would like to see some higher end devices. All first gen releases were very generic.
Newer Gen CPU/GPU (dual core not necessary till things are coded for it)
High Quality Material/build
32GB or 64GB Internal ROM
Super AMOLED/next gen if avail
512MB RAM
Good Battery
Good Quality Optics (iPhone4 or better (like Nokia N8))
Thats all I want. Maybe a FFC just for ****s n' giggles, but thats not high on my priority list.
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Well you just described Nokia N9 except for the screen ... only Sammy can put Super-AMOLED and the RAM is 768MB
PS. I though someone from Microsoft or Nokia I can't recall said that WP7 is already dual-core ready, so maybe it doesn't need new coding or I'm terribly wrong
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Well you just described Nokia N9 except for the screen ... only Sammy can put Super-AMOLED and the RAM is 768MB
PS. I though someone from Microsoft or Nokia I can't recall said that WP7 is already dual-core ready, so maybe it doesn't need new coding or I'm terribly wrong
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Aye Why I know the phone I want is easily within reach. That would be more than powerful enough for the next couple years. This is also why I was excited about the Nokia deal because they have some excellent quality hardware & optics in some of their phones.
Android needs dual-core because the OS is so cluttered and filled with junk. WP7 phone have "inferior hardware" yet still run smoother than any Android phone would.
yea it should b strong
http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/26/7485225-is-this-what-amazons-tablet-will-look-like
The news today is that Amazon will soon be selling a new Android powered tablet at a very attractive price. According to this... http://www.technobuffalo.com/technobuffalo/opinion/noahs-top-5-gadgets-coming-soon/ "Amazon’s tablet computer will run Android but feature Intel-based innards, and not an Nvidia Tegra processor"
Forgive my ignorance, but are there any devices shipping right now running Android on an Intel platform? What do those that know much more than me about the subject think an Intel powered Android tablet means to XDA?
good price，i am looking forward to see it。
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Forgive my ignorance, but are there any devices shipping right now running Android on an Intel platform?
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There is no "Intel" platform. There's ARM and x86 and MIPS, and a few others. PCs (including Macs) use x86, phones and tablets like iPad and Android-based ones are ARM, routers are usually MIPS.
If this Amazon tablet will have Intel-innards, it probably means Atom processor, which means the first Android tablet using x86 instead of ARM (Atom is a x86 processor).
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What do those that know much more than me about the subject think an Intel powered Android tablet means to XDA?
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Main thing, a much higher possibility to be able to run a traditional Linux distro on it. Beyond that, we'll have to see.
Hmm.. I'd rather see an arm cortex-a9. Arm seems to work really well in phones and tablets and the arm9 is just as fast as the intel if I remember correctly.
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Hmm.. I'd rather see an arm cortex-a9. Arm seems to work really well in phones and tablets and the arm9 is just as fast as the intel if I remember correctly.
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It is clock per clock but intel processors scale higher
I thought intel mobile platform running honeycomb wasn't performing too well last i heard. Battery life is a huge concern too
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Hmm.. I'd rather see an arm cortex-a9. Arm seems to work really well in phones and tablets and the arm9 is just as fast as the intel if I remember correctly.
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At lower clocks yes, but as mentioned before, once you start increasing the power usage and clocks, that's when arm can't keep up and when x86 shines. ARM is normally only more powerful than x86 CPUs while the tdp is under 1 watt, which is the case for most mobile devices. However try scaling an arm CPU to over 125 watts (average x86 tdp) and the scaling is horrible. They are two different platforms built for two different reasons. BUT what I'm thinking Intel is doing here is that they are going to maybe try and muscle their way into the ARM market. With the announcement that windows 8 will support ARM, I think this chip will be their "test" run. If they do get into the market, it will open up an entire new horizon for them (hope that sounds right). This would especially help with the ultrabook concept they are working on.
Do the Android netbooks run x86?
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Do the Android netbooks run x86?
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The one netbook with Android I saw a while ago was x86, yes. It was a dual-boot Android/Windows machine. Though Android on a netbook makes no sense. None whatsoever.
However, there are ARM-based Android netbooks too, like the Toshiba AC100.
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At lower clocks yes, but as mentioned before, once you start increasing the power usage and clocks, that's when arm can't keep up and when x86 shines. ARM is normally only more powerful than x86 CPUs while the tdp is under 1 watt, which is the case for most mobile devices. However try scaling an arm CPU to over 125 watts (average x86 tdp) and the scaling is horrible. They are two different platforms built for two different reasons. BUT what I'm thinking Intel is doing here is that they are going to maybe try and muscle their way into the ARM market. With the announcement that windows 8 will support ARM, I think this chip will be their "test" run. If they do get into the market, it will open up an entire new horizon for them (hope that sounds right). This would especially help with the ultrabook concept they are working on.
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You can actually thank apple for lighting a fire under intel for the mobile platform when they told them that their processor isn't cutting it and that they will use ARM based processors in their laptop.
For whatever the reason, apple is burning a lot of bridges and somewhat putting all of their egg in one basket before confirming that TSMC's yield is good enough to meet their demands
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You can actually thank apple for lighting a fire under intel for the mobile platform when they told them that their processor isn't cutting it and that they will use ARM based processors in their laptop.
For whatever the reason, apple is burning a lot of bridges and somewhat putting all of their egg in one basket before confirming that TSMC's yield is good enough to meet their demands
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Yea I actually remember reading about that. I believe that they mentioned that their next gen would use ARM based CPU's or is my head making that up? Either way, this should help intel in the long run (if their ARM line is successful). Yea and they did the same thing with Samsung, they stopped using their chips and parts. I'm guessing they want to make everything in-house, I don't know how that's gonna work out, but hey, they will probably pull through judging from past actions and events.
EDIT: I realized something, they don't want to keep everything in house, but rather, they don't want major competitors (such as samsung) making parts for them.
dreadlord369 said:
Yea I actually remember reading about that. I believe that they mentioned that their next gen would use ARM based CPU's or is my head making that up? Either way, this should help intel in the long run (if their ARM line is successful). Yea and they did the same thing with Samsung, they stopped using their chips and parts. I'm guessing they want to make everything in-house, I don't know how that's gonna work out, but hey, they will probably pull through judging from past actions and events.
EDIT: I realized something, they don't want to keep everything in house, but rather, they don't want major competitors (such as samsung) making parts for them.
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I don't think Intel is going to build an ARM processor instead focus heavily on power efficiency on their current low power processor variants. Remember that ultrabook will utilized various Core I processors
As for apple, as said many times before. They do not make anything in house.
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I don't think Intel is going to build an ARM processor instead focus heavily on power efficiency on their current low power processor variants. Remember that ultrabook will utilized various Core I processors
As for apple, as said many times before. They do not make anything in house.
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About the in house part yea I realized and corrected that with the edit. My bad. But for the ultrabooks, you're right, I forgot that they are going to use the Core i variants. But while you may be right and that intel might be releasing an ultra efficient atom architecture, I dunno, I still think that a move into the ARM market would be a smart move for them.
I posted this in the general forum but did not get an answer, so posting here hoping for a reply. Sorry if this is breaking forum rules, I doing think it is but....if it is flame away and delete ...anyways. I am just curious with the introduction of quad core tablets, how do they match up to similar spec CPU in raw power. I understand that android, iOS, and windows ( in the future) are mobile OS, So directly comparing the to a laptop is useless. I did however notice that the new t33 clocked and 1.6ghz is only .1 slower than my laptop to with is running a AMD quad core at 1.7ghz. So I'm just wondering is it a direct comparison in just processing power alone or is the architecture so different in the laptop and desktop that even at the same speed they win in the power category .
Totally different. Due to the ARM architecture, the CPU is a lot less powerful than comparably clocked CPUs using the x86 or x86_64 architecture.
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Totally different. Due to the ARM architecture, the CPU is a lot less powerful than comparably clocked CPUs using the x86 or x86_64 architecture.
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Thank you for the reply. Do you have any idea on the scale? How fast would a arm CPU have to be clocked to equal a x86 or x64?
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Thank you for the reply. Do you have any idea on the scale? How fast would a arm CPU have to be clocked to equal a x86 or x64?
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There is literally no comparison. I have a crap old AMD Athlon 64 x2 clocked at around 3 ghz with ddr2 RAM (lolwut, in 2012?). It gets 3x better sunspider scores than my infinity does. I don't know if that's the browser or what but, I think an ARM CPU would have to be at least 5-6 times higher clocked to get similar performance from x86 CPUs. For modern day ones, I think maybe even up to 10-20x. Of course, this is just my talking out of my ass here, I don't really know the exact numbers.
Well I guess my dreams of have a tablet that is truly as powerful as my laptop are still far off. But with the way tech is progressing I'm sure we'll have it someday..
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Well I guess my dreams of have a tablet that is truly as powerful as my laptop are still far off. But with the way tech is progressing I'm sure we'll have it someday..
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Why? You didn't mean to play Diablo 3 on it, did you? The apps for tablets take this difference into account, so it is really a question of what apps suit your needs.
(BTW, my i3 laptop is only 4 times faster than Chrome on the Infinity running ICS, it will be probably only 3 times faster when the JB for the Infinity shows up; and we don't really need all the CPU power of i3/i5/i7 for casual web browsing..)
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Well I guess my dreams of have a tablet that is truly as powerful as my laptop are still far off. But with the way tech is progressing I'm sure we'll have it someday..
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Ms surface. Core i5. Although it won't have quite the god tier 16:10 resolution of the infinity.
I got b& at /g/ for sh!tposting ;_;
ARM Cortex-A9(same as Tegra3) is in between Intel's Atom and their Desktop x86 CPUs.
A dual core Cortex-A9 is considerably faster than an Intel Atom N270 in some operations. However, it is difficult to really compare as few benchmarks are optimized for both ARM *and* x86.
The ARM architecture's primary focus is low power while being inexpensive so it will be slower than Intel's x86 by design.
Although I realize that the power of tablets have along way to go before they are playing AAA games. I would like tablets to get to a point where they can run the same level of software ( optimized for mobile of course). Desktops will always be more powerful but as it stands right now my laptop can play pretty much any game my desktop can just on lower settings. I would like a tablets to replace this. The benefits of course lower power requirements for battery life and better mobility. I thought that with quad core tablets with ghz reaching closer and closer to laptops that we where getting close but I did not know enough about x86 & x64 to know it made so much of a difference. I need to take a computer class .
I know that the cloud can give the illusion of tablets having more power than they do, but the cloud has along way till it can be fully realized to many restrictions as it stand now. Even with tablets having 4g connection it still limits mobility through contracts, deadzones, lag and makes you pay more multiple times to do what you want. Maybe in the future the cloud will make all this a wash and well all carry thin lower power devices that only need to decode video and receive input, but I see that as along way away.
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Although I realize that the power of tablets have along way to go before they are playing AAA games. I would like tablets to get to a point where they can run the same level of software ( optimized for mobile of course). Desktops will always be more powerful but as it stands right now my laptop can play pretty much any game my desktop can just on lower settings. I would like a tablets to replace this. The benefits of course lower power requirements for battery life and better mobility. I thought that with quad core tablets with ghz reaching closer and closer to laptops that we where getting close but I did not know enough about x86 & x64 to know it made so much of a difference. I need to take a computer class .
I know that the cloud can give the illusion of tablets having more power than they do, but the cloud has along way till it can be fully realized to many restrictions as it stand now. Even with tablets having 4g connection it still limits mobility through contracts, deadzones, lag and makes you pay more multiple times to do what you want. Maybe in the future the cloud will make all this a wash and well all carry thin lower power devices that only need to decode video and receive input, but I see that as along way away.
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You better hope this never happens. The cloud = gigantic botnet. Google will take ALL your information and beam ideas directly to your head.
Lol well i m not sure anything can stop it but I'll start stocking up on tin foil, I'll make you a hat and ship it to you.
It's hard to say but in terms of gaming we are seeing some quite interesting developments. For example Max Payne and GTA 3 on a tablet is quite impressive if you think what kind of PC you had to own when this games were released.
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And there's Baldur's Gate for Android coming
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And there's Baldur's Gate for Android coming
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That's already possible since years.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.gemrb
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That is true games have come along way through optimization. Maybe games with just be better optimized and hardware won't be such a concern.
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That's already possible since years.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.gemrb
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Looks cool, but the comments say otherwise. I meant the version intended for Android tablets.
d14b0ll0s said:
Looks cool, but the comments say otherwise. I meant the version intended for Android tablets.
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I tried it quite a while ago so I don't know if anything has changed.
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Basically they say it's slow even on some fast phones, gets FCs and you can't go into some menus without doing some crazy tricks. But it's nice to see some development like this. I'm still waiting for the official version, with some fright too, as it's pretty time-consuming..