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So what's a better buy, since I am confused and conflicted as to what to get.
Motorola Milestone or Nexus One/Desire?
I actually have no clue, its confusing to think which one and every time I think I decide I go back to the middle.
And I know that for the Nexus One, this website has one strong modding front behind it, but I have no idea where, if any, modding movement exists for the Droid, since I haven't found anything on this forum.
What are your thoughts on it?
aniteshj said:
So what's a better buy, since I am confused and conflicted as to what to get.
Motorola Milestone or Nexus One/Desire?
I actually have no clue, its confusing to think which one and every time I think I decide I go back to the middle.
And I know that for the Nexus One, this website has one strong modding front behind it, but I have no idea where, if any, modding movement exists for the Droid, since I haven't found anything on this forum.
What are your thoughts on it?
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I personally have the N1 and also have T-mobiles "droids" aka cliqs... Htc is far better when it comes to hardware. I suggest the N1!
In my experience - if I want to get google/android updates ASAP I would only go with whatever google choses to sleep with (stock i.e. without any skin)
For GSM that would be the Nexus One.
dextroz said:
In my experience - if I want to get google/android updates ASAP I would only go with whatever google choses to sleep with (stock i.e. without any skin)
For GSM that would be the Nexus One.
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Aha no Droid love? Is there a site dedicated to Droid mods like this has a section for Nexus development as well?
aniteshj said:
Aha no Droid love? Is there a site dedicated to Droid mods like this has a section for Nexus development as well?
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nope, moto is lacking in the game... plus nexus isnt a branded phone... its a HTC/GOOGLE not a T-mobile/AT&T/Sprint/V-word phone that should be enough to go by in your choice...
I'm also kind of in a boat like this one. I have a G1 and desperately want to upgrade. I'm considering the EVO since Austin has a 4G tower here. The prices and plans are attractive too. The one thing holding me back however is the hotspot feature in froyo. Sprint will almost certainly cut this feature out of the froyo update for the EVO since they want to charge 30 bucks a month to use that. I'm wondering if there will be a version of froyo from cyanogen (or the many other developers out there) for the evo to circumvent this (not to mention to get rid of the Sense UI).
This isn't any easier a decision to make now aha.
I vote for Motorola milestone
considering its hardware keyboard
I have a Milestone and the hardware keyboard is useful, but I don't like the way Motorola have locked down the bootloader.
That means that even when rooted, we are limited in what can be hacked about!
I will be getting rid of the Milestone and getting a Desire soon if that tells you anything.
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stooby said:
I have a Milestone and the hardware keyboard is useful, but I don't like the way Motorola have locked down the bootloader.
That means that even when rooted, we are limited in what can be hacked about!
I will be getting rid of the Milestone and getting a Desire soon if that tells you anything.
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I see what you mean, well I've put in a few offers to some used N1s, my local shop stopped carrying them!!!
If you do not have any need for a hardware keyboard N1 will be better beause of the faster CPU.
If you like hardware keyboards like me you will forget about N1.
There are quite a few forums with support for the Droid/ Milestone.
Depends on the kind of work you want to do. If all you want is a shiny super modded device with great screen contrast (excluding touchscreen response) and speed and early updates, get Nexus One.
If you need to do a lot of typing and/or need better screen response, get Milestone.
While milestone doesn't have a dedicated community behind it, doing lots of rom porting, most of the useful N1 mods work on it. Also, it is a very solid and well built phone. The build quality compared to nexus one is equally good, if not better. You can also get it overclocked to about 1.2GHz which makes it run superfast, if you are worried about speed.
just a quick question
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just a quick question
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Quick question in the wrong section.
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Quick question in the wrong section.
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that's a quick reply
get a galaxy S so you can post in the wrong section in their forums.
Galaxy S for faster games and apps but get the nexus one because its a Google phone and it will be updated.
o **** I did my fault
Galaxy S has a way better screen with 0 multi touch problems.
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get a galaxy S so you can post in the wrong section in their forums.
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Galaxy S has a way better screen with 0 multi touch problems.
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Nice that you say this like it is a fact without having used it...
I didn't know my N1 had multitouch problems, that must be a brand new thing that just started happening?
Get a Nexus One, because unlike every other phone out there, a Nexus One is the one that is assured to get every update.
****, N1s are already being pushed 2.2, the N1 is Google's main phone, it will always get the love first before other devices.
Oh, and unlike the Galaxy S which has the stupid Touch Wiz or whatever the hell Samsung decides to put on and ruin the phone; the N1 is clean vanilla; and the best UI for any Android phone.
Galaxy innards are better than the nexus one, except for the lack of flash on the camera (wtf seriously samsung?).
Body on the samsung is plastic from what I can tell.
If you plan on hacking up a phone, I'd probably stick with nexus.
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Nice that you say this like it is a fact without having used it...
I didn't know my N1 had multitouch problems, that must be a brand new thing that just started happening?
Get a Nexus One, because unlike every other phone out there, a Nexus One is the one that is assured to get every update.
****, N1s are already being pushed 2.2, the N1 is Google's main phone, it will always get the love first before other devices.
Oh, and unlike the Galaxy S which has the stupid Touch Wiz or whatever the hell Samsung decides to put on and ruin the phone; the N1 is clean vanilla; and the best UI for any Android phone.
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The multitouch problem on the N1 has been known for awhile its a hardware problem. HTC fixed it in the Incredible and up. There are tons of videos showing the Galaxy S off including the screen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
What do you say now?
I guess he would pretty much repeat what he said first : You can't be sure it has "zero multi touch problems" without testing it extensively. Maybe the multitouch will start glitching in a few month, or maybe it has a weird problem that happens when you hold it upside down or when it's cold, or in under strange situations.
The Nexus on looks like it has zero problems... Untill you try crossing two touch points.
So all you can say right now is that it doesn't seem to be affected by the same problem as the Nexus One. We'll see in a few weeks/months if it is indeed perfect.
As for the Nexus One vs Galaxy S thing, seeing as Samsung has a history of poor updates and crappy batteries, I'd stick with the Nexus One or wait for Motorola or HTC to release a more powerful phone, preferably without UI customisation (Nexus Two ?)
Google's own phone has a bug =O
I'd still say google N1 tbh, always gonna be up to date and shizzle =).
I like the Galaxy's name only But the Nexus One rocks & has been a developers (xda) dream device
...or is it just me?
It would have been a better fit. The only thing missing is NFC and this phone would've really shined with some vanilla flavor.
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my feelings exactly.
Yeah, plus the battery life with the N1 and this, have no difference so yeah.
This is one of the top high end Android phone in the US right now and I'm feeling good about it.
oh yea!
i'm gonna be off topic with this comment,but imagine this scenario:
Monday morning,after a busy weekend with your loved ones,cuz of the holydays,you weak up to the sound of your beautifull,new,latest most fullfing android device on the market (my opinion at least, don't even make me start about NS,huuuumunnnnguusss disspointment). Your beloved phone,wich at times could be compared with a second or third girlfriend cuz of the amount of time an android/android based device fanatic actually spends on it,and maintains it, not only by himself,but by an unbelivebly well structured comunity...
Ok,moving on to the point of this scenario,so your MT4G is waking u up,cuz you gotta go to work,right?
Wouldn't it be nice if the first thing u see would be the MT4G in an apple like dock (just gotta admit they make beautifull designs for theyr devices), in a dock like mode in wich you have all the important info u need to start the day,like time,day,temperature,latest news and various updates, and THAN a MENU that gives u,from your bed ,barrely waking up, acces to the most imprtant ,if not all the devices in your home,through whatever wirelles way possible, alowing u to,bassically,customize your day,the same way you know you love to customize your phone...
Now thats where I hope GOOGLE and ANDROID are going, and at the same time beeing opened source and not invade ones privacy ...sorry google,only love for you,but had to say that!
That would be a great way to start your new year. You guys agree?
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...or is it just me?
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Nope, I completely agree with you and have thought this since day 1. HTC had the g1 and n1 so I was curious why Samsung got the ns.
Would have been nice if HTC would have thrown a SAMOLED2 in the phone, but as someone that moved from a N1 to the MT4G, this phone has been a great successor.
As for the NFC, it would have been nice, but to be honest, I don't see it taking off in the very near future in the US. And by the time it does, we'll probably have a very good replacement from T-Mobile.
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oh yea!
i'm gonna be off topic with this comment,but imagine this scenario:
Monday morning,after a busy weekend with your loved ones,cuz of the holydays,you weak up to the sound of your beautifull,new,latest most fullfing android device on the market (my opinion at least, don't even make me start about NS,huuuumunnnnguusss disspointment). Your beloved phone,wich at times could be compared with a second or third girlfriend cuz of the amount of time an android/android based device fanatic actually spends on it,and maintains it, not only by himself,but by an unbelivebly well structured comunity...
Ok,moving on to the point of this scenario,so your MT4G is waking u up,cuz you gotta go to work,right?
Wouldn't it be nice if the first thing u see would be the MT4G in an apple like dock (just gotta admit they make beautifull designs for theyr devices), in a dock like mode in wich you have all the important info u need to start the day,like time,day,temperature,latest news and various updates, and THAN a MENU that gives u,from your bed ,barrely waking up, acces to the most imprtant ,if not all the devices in your home,through whatever wirelles way possible, alowing u to,bassically,customize your day,the same way you know you love to customize your phone...
Now thats where I hope GOOGLE and ANDROID are going, and at the same time beeing opened source and not invade ones privacy ...sorry google,only love for you,but had to say that!
That would be a great way to start your new year. You guys agree?
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LOL, I found the first paragraph very ammusing, haha..
I think the reason it wasn't is because TMO wanted to market this phone as theirs because of the video chat capability... and they wanted the consumers to associate a good phone with their name, where as the N1 was googles baby, and while you could look at it and say it was an amazing phone, you didni't really give anymore credibililty to TMO. This way, tmobile looks good to consumers. Looking at things now.... the nexus S blows, but I don't really blame TMO for that, I can blame google or Samsuck for really dropping the ball there...so smart move on TMO part, IMO
Little known fact. The MyTouch3G was going to be known as the Google Ion, and was going to be the precursor to the Nexus Line.
I think the MyTouchHD would of been a perfect phone for the second generation Nexus Line. How ever, they did just over clock the phone to 1.2Ghrz and the quadrant scores look AMAZING.
I think they undercooked this phone. It's so close to being perfect but Samsung doesn't know the difference between sh!t and Shinola
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Little known fact. The MyTouch3G was going to be known as the Google Ion, and was going to be the precursor to the Nexus Line.
I think the MyTouchHD would of been a perfect phone for the second generation Nexus Line. How ever, they did just over clock the phone to 1.2Ghrz and the quadrant scores look AMAZING.
I think they undercooked this phone. It's so close to being perfect but Samsung doesn't know the difference between sh!t and Shinola
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A Lot Ppl would not know that! That's like explaining something in Russian to a Jew. LoL..
The Mytouch 3G was used heavy as a dev device before the N1 came out. HTC has always been the device not by choice but for not having something else avail. The N1 was basically a revamped version of the Touch and Other Ideas that were on the Drawing Table.
The Nexus S by Samsung is by far hands down the best addition to the Nexus Line. I am also very glad that this is number two in the Line and no other garbage took its place.
Always Remember: The Nexus Line is Google's way of being open with their dev devices, hence "Pure Google". All other devices are literally bastard children that carry a logo that says "with Google" to represent their honorary build.
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well it's a part of the original "mytouch" line phones ... it's a mt4g not a nexus touch4g. just saying, cause this phone is a successor of the mytouch3g. like how the g2 is for the g1. when the htc hero came out they were calling it a g2, but it wasn't the successor. plus this kills the nexus in so many ways! mytouch has so much custom UI put into it, talking about the slide & this, whereas nexus is just all straight android vanilla without all the bloatware. look at the nexus s, that's pretty much the successor since I heard they won't come out with a nexus 2. but all this is just IMO
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...or is it just me?
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Little known fact. The MyTouch3G was going to be known as the Google Ion, and was going to be the precursor to the Nexus Line.
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No it wasn't. The Google Ion was the developer version of the HTC Magic which came out at least a year before the N1. Never seen any reference to ION being relaunched at the MT3G.
The magic and the mytouch are the same phone. The magic shipped with 288mb ram, the mytouch, until February 2010, shipped with 192mb. Aside from the color, I believe there is no difference between the ion and the magic. Its just that the ion was never on sale to the public, unless I'm mistaken.
PlankLongBeard said:
A Lot Ppl would not know that! That's like explaining something in Russian to a Jew. LoL..
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I guess sarcasm doesn't fit into your vocabulary?
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No it wasn't. The Google Ion was the developer version of the HTC Magic which came out at least a year before the N1. Never seen any reference to ION being relaunched at the MT3G.
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There are two different MyTouch3G phones. The PV32A and the PV32B, The "A" variant is a Google Issued phone. That is the dev phone.
I got the MT4G on release date and I'm still in awe at how well built, and feature packed this device is. If they released this with AOSP and called it the Nexus Two no one would be disappointed. I can't believe that T-Mobile of all carriers released such a high end, future proofed device. Most devices are lacking in some area, but the MT4G isn't lacking at all. It has everything and more. I love this device so much, it's the first android handset I've owned where I haven't had any complaints with it.
There must be some political issues behind Google going to Samsung for the Nexus S and not HTC. HTC makes such better devices. You have the G2 and Desire HD which are industrial business looking devices, then you have the MT4G with a completely different design than anything else on the market and it appeals to almost all demographics. Whether you're a first time smartphone buyer or a seasoned Android veteran you will appreciate this device for what it can offer to you. I'm the latter and I have my MT4G hooked up with Gingerbread (complete with the NS screen off animation) and overclocked to 1.8Ghz. What more can you ask for?
The release of the Nexus S really changed my mind about Google and how they view the Nexus family. I don't think Google gives a **** about the average consumer so they don't include things like HD Video Recording, a Notification Light, FFC, Micro SD Card Slot for people with tons of music and videos etc. Instead they give you the bare bones and honestly, the only reassuring factor for the price is the idea of getting tons of Google updates first. That's all fine and dandy if the phone is priced right. $580 is simply too much for a smartphone that lacks so many features regardless of how you want to argue about it.
Right now the MT4G is the top android device on the market. Even when the first dual core devices come out I will still stick with my MT4G until something comes along that is the successor to it. The next smartphone that I make my daily driver will have to surpass the MT4G in every area; hardware, camera/video quality, screen, design etc.
I've been 100% happy with my purchase since day 1. This is the first time I can say this about any android device I've owned.
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A Lot Ppl would not know that! That's like explaining something in Russian to a Jew. LoL..
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The Russian Jews I went to school with would probably say "That's like trying to explain something to a person who uses extraneous LoL's" or more likely they'd avoid your presence entirely.
The rest of what you said made as much sense.
What would have helped is if you said "No, it wouldn't be the natural successor..." or "Yes, it would have been..." to start out with.
I sure would have preferred the MyTouch 4G as the new Google phone. It has all the extra pieces many phones don't have that a dev might want to test such as a FFC and 4G. Superior to the Nexus S, it has a memory card slot and working GPS (I assume the GPS on the Nexus S is as good as on any (other?) i9000 series phone).
The beautiful (and tough) screen on the Nexus S might be nice, but it doesn't much matter to a developer testing something, n'cest pas?
Case and point for what its worth... I wanted the NS so bad when I heard about it (I had the G1> MyTouch Fender> then finally MT4G. I'm sorry but that NS is a pain in the **** to get when I can just drop by TMobile and pick this one up. F best buy for cell phones I like t mobile stores I pay them I go to them. Plus this phone runs tits rooted and oc'd @ 1.6-1.7 with no crashes at all ... I've had one crash @ 1.8 big woop. And I know for a fact I haven't been able to get this phone to stutter at all it does everything flawless and fast bottom line.
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There are two different MyTouch3G phones. The PV32A and the PV32B, The "A" variant is a Google Issued phone. That is the dev phone.
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The "A" variant is the HTC magic, released in the UK and in Canada with Rogers. For some reason t-mobile decided to go with the "B" for North America at launch. All Mytouch 3G phones built after February 2010 are A as well. Main difference is the amount of available ram.
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The Russian Jews I went to school with would probably say "That's like trying to explain something to a person who uses extraneous LoL's" or more likely they'd avoid your presence entirely.
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I know lots of Russians, lots of Jews, and several Russian Jews. I'm Jewish and 2/4 (both parents were 1/2) Russian myself.
I just wish everyone could speak English at a respectable high school level so I don't cringe when I read some of the posts around here. English as a second language has a free pass though; learning a second language is HARD.
Back on topic - I totally agree that it must have been political. HTC seems to be the Android leader so Samsung getting the NS came out of left field in my eyes. Not to mention the hardware being blatantly inferior to the MT4G, ie; HSPA+, additional RAM, SD slot. I still don't get that.
Also never understood why the US got the inferior 32B. The entire reason I rooted that thing in the first place was so I could overclock it to try and run Navi and Pandora at the same time. I should have bought a N1 in the first place.
So, I'm on the Legend (previous Hero) and I'm tired of HTC updating FW. I want pure Google.....
I'm not particularly "happy" or impressed with the Nexus S. It's basically a year old phone...bla bla, you know what I mean. It SHOULD have been more impressive. Right now it's being overshadowed by nearly every new phone, even the new SE phone. Who would have thought.........perhaps Google didn't want the Nexus to outshine other phones, but wanted a safe/tested platform to test new Android on?
BUT I'm willing to give it a try, only because I hate HTC and their update policy. But I have to get this from the US since I'm in Europe and....I'm uncertain about the build quality and hardware quality. A lot of people are reporting problem allready. If I get it, I prob won't be able to return it for warranty.
How safe a bet would getting the Nexus S be?
ANOTHER one of these posts? Seriously, there's tons of threads about people "unsure" of the Nexus S. Why not post there or something.
Me, personally, I love the Nexus S, much better than the crappy Nexus One I had, which has/had REAL issues. Nexus S? It has ZERO issues for me.
Sounds already you don't want the Nexus S, by saying you're not happy/impressed/year old phone/etc.. so don't get it. We're not going to convince you otherwise.
This thread is pointless.
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I'm tired of HTC updating FW. I want pure Google.....
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That's all that matters.
there's no safe bet
there will always be a new phone around the corner with better of everything
if you need a new phone now, buy it
if not, keep waiting for the next best thing
There only seems to be a lot of issues for the Nexus S. People that are not having issues are not posting nearly as much (or not at all) as those that are experiencing some kind of issue. By that, I mean starting new threads with "x is broken, check yours?!"
Personally, I love my Nexus S and I am experiencing no issues. If you keep waiting because there is a newer phone around the corner, you'll end up never getting a new phone.
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There only seems to be a lot of issues for the Nexus S. People that are not having issues are not posting nearly as much (or not at all) as those that are experiencing some kind of issue.
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Exactly, and a common phenomenon across any product-related forum. Most of the happy people with no problems don't spend time posting how much they love their device on a forum, unless they're like many of the regulars here who just love chatting in the forum about the device or trying to help others. (The Development section's a different beast, of course.)
A personal example is me and the Ford/Microsoft Sync forums. I've only ever visited them when I was having issues with my Sync features. To read those forums you'd think Sync and MyFordTouch was total crap, but they're not, once you get past the few problems early adopters had. I haven't been back to the forums there since resolving mine, because I'm not really interested enough in the product to talk about it a lot.
If you want pure Google then it is definitely a safe bet. How often to any other pure Google phones come out?
Even though my I know my nexus s is outclassed by the newer DC phones coming out, I am still keeping it because I know when honeycomb comes out for phones the NS get it and all the other phones will be stuck on 2.2.
So yes its worth it to me.
I stumbled upon my target store and decided why not; i want something better than my x10 Sony Ericsson. On their store computer I came through here also seeing all these amazing roms. However my question is, Will the EU One X-Roms be easily compatible with the AT&T version? Due to different hardware I wouldn't think it would take long to port between EU and AT&T's. But I have layed out my pre-order in store for it and I can pick it up sunday night *does a little dance*, But i'm a flash-a-holic so... If the roms won't be easily ported [if at all] I may go back and swap to the Atrix and get the little laptop-dock on it. I'd prefer the best I can get, And I really like the look of the One X. Not if It wont gain much activity fast on here right away though.
Maybe a att rom will be better than a eu rom...
Just wait and see to see what the devs cook up..
They're not cross compatible but I would imagine porting wouldn't be too hard.
Really, that impatient? lol
To answer your question, no, you can't use "EU" (International) ROMs on your LTE One X. As for how easy they will be to port, that depends on the dev doing the work!
But seriously, the LTE One X hasn't been officially released in the US yet, so not many people have it. On May 6th, the flood gates will open and we'll have plenty of ROMs. I'm sure you can make it without flashing until then
Well I would expect that there be little->no activity for the phone since it isn't out yet. But seeing as I got my main question answered; The next one probably has an easy-to-guess answer.. Is there going to be a lot of activity on it?
I'm assuming yes. I mean, my x10 still has dev's working hard at it. In the tech world, its falling behind. Yet they're still there. Plus all these replies in only a short amount of time tells me I'm not the only one who's interested in the phone . Only reason I suggested the Atrix 4G is simply, I need a cheapish laptop because my last one just gave out. Probably due to a liter of soda but that's besides the point... I saw the One X, The specs amazed me. I saw the Atrix, wasn't amazed. But the dock for it is what caught my attention. Thinking ahead however, It's probably a dumb idea to "downgrade" to another phone just because of an accessory for it. I'll probably stick with my pre-order for the One X, Simply due to the quick response from the community about this :b.
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Well I would expect that there be little->no activity for the phone since it isn't out yet. But seeing as I got my main question answered; The next one probably has an easy-to-guess answer.. Is there going to be a lot of activity on it?
I'm assuming yes. I mean, my x10 still has dev's working hard at it. In the tech world, its falling behind. Yet they're still there. Plus all these replies in only a short amount of time tells me I'm not the only one who's interested in the phone . Only reason I suggested the Atrix 4G is simply, I need a cheapish laptop because my last one just gave out. Probably due to a liter of soda but that's besides the point... I saw the One X, The specs amazed me. I saw the Atrix, wasn't amazed. But the dock for it is what caught my attention. Thinking ahead however, It's probably a dumb idea to "downgrade" to another phone just because of an accessory for it. I'll probably stick with my pre-order for the One X, Simply due to the quick response from the community about this :b.
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And there's your answer. Look how active this forum is, and the phone isn't even out in the US for another week lol
There will be a ton of buzz around this phone once it's actually out, you'll see.