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[Q] Why are Android stocks tied to the system?

I was just wondering, why if you delete certain stock apps (Or Bloatware for that matter), they cause FCs or instability in general? Are they tied into the OS somehow?
If somebody can explain this, (In layman
s terms, I'm still learning things about Android) I'd be very thankful.

Bloatware can be removed when you root your device through the explorer. But you can download custom roms with an unlocked bootloader which usually have no bloatware those are two ways of getting rid of the carrier crap. Your choice.

It's also dependent on your device & what type of rom you're running. There should be a list of safe to remove apps for your device/rom.
If you're iffy of something, try freezing it first with Titanium Backup. If all goes well then you can uninstall it.
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Thanks for your quick reply, but what I meant was why is it that if you delete a stock apps (Like DriveSmart from Samsung)
HC13 said:
well if u delete driver smart. every time you go to settings and select driver smart you will get a force close... also with wifi calling. and startup setup.
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it messes with the system.
EDIT: Figured it was worth mentioning that I don't own an Android device yet (But it'll either be the Epic 4G or the Sidekick 4G [I lurk in the latter's forum]), so I'm trying soak up as much info as I can receive.
So when I get either device [Even though hands on experience always trumps reading things off forums] I won't waste time figuring things out.
EDIT #2: And thanks plainjane, missed your post somehow.

Bloatware and how to safely remove them...

OK... I know I have been full of questions and really I just posted another question in the general forum a moment ago but I am trying to stick to the specific forums for specific questions so don't get mad at me ._.
ANYWAY... Looking at the underlying processes and other apps I will never use how does one safely remove these? I have heard of "freezing" things so you can defrost them later just in case you decide otherwise.
Any thoughts? Would this require a root?

Zadeis said:
OK... I know I have been full of questions and really I just posted another question in the general forum a moment ago but I am trying to stick to the specific forums for specific questions so don't get mad at me ._.
ANYWAY... Looking at the underlying processes and other apps I will never use how does one safely remove these? I have heard of "freezing" things so you can defrost them later just in case you decide otherwise.
Any thoughts? Would this require a root?
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You'll need to be rooted and Titanium Backup Pro will allow you to freeze apps.

StingerDog said:
You'll need to be rooted and Titanium Backup Pro will allow you to freeze apps.
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Ah thank you. Now in terms of doing that isn't there a list somewhere that lists all the "safe" apps to freeze? I have found lists pertaining to other tablets but not specifically the Tab 7 plus yet. Unless I'm just blind and it's been right in front of me (which is very likely) xD

I have not seen such a list but I haven't looked for one either.

Ah OK. I think I had found one for the Galaxy Tab (which I am assuming is the 10.1) and another one (which I forget what it was) so I figured I would ask.
Thank you all for your input though!

what bloatware are in your gtab?

Well, I'm getting ready to go somewhere so I can't look but all share comes to mind since I will never use it. That and for some reason after rooting my Tab (did it last night and I am quite happy) the samsung screen saver thing came back! Even though I uninstalled it.
The thing is about 50 megabytes of showcase video of the very tablet I am using...

Zadeis said:
Well, I'm getting ready to go somewhere so I can't look but all share comes to mind since I will never use it. That and for some reason after rooting my Tab (did it last night and I am quite happy) the samsung screen saver thing came back! Even though I uninstalled it.
The thing is about 50 megabytes of showcase video of the very tablet I am using...
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If for any reason you boot into recovery there is a "hidden" partition that will re-install all that crap. If you install garyd9's CWM recovery it will not do this.
I have uninstalled almost 50 programs on my gtab that I dont use. Its stripped down to a bare tab. I HATE unwanted un needed programs.

antiochasylum said:
I have uninstalled almost 50 programs on my gtab that I dont use.
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50? Can you list these apps?
I cleaned (froze with TB to be exact) and it's not even close to 10, but I am overly cautious so not to break the Tab. For example, I froze Polaris Office, AP Plus widget, etc.

Yes I will. Ill compare it tomorrow and post what I removed about to go to bed for now.
Sent from my ICS'd themed Galaxy Tab 7+

Is it OK to freeze these apps with Titanium Backup:
1). Apps
- Media Hub
- My files
- Samsung Apps
- Social Hub
- Talkback
- SNS related apps:
- Disclaimer
- Facebook
- Twitter
- LinkedIn
2). Built-in widgets, such as:
- AccuWeather.com (widget)
- AP Mobile (widget)
- Buddies now (widget)
- Digital Clock (widget)
- Dual Clock (widget)
- Yahoo! Finance
3). Built-in wallpapers (live or static)
- Aurora 2 (wallpaper
- Blue sea (wallpaper)

You can easily remove all apps that you don't need. You just need rooted device and root explorer or something similar. Then go to system/app and remove app you want.

gregy74 said:
You can easily remove all apps that you don't need. You just need rooted device and root explorer or something similar. Then go to system/app and remove app you want.
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that didt work for me... im getting root error issues...

str8addicted said:
that didt work for me... im getting root error issues...
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I got an error too when I intially tried to use Root Explorer, i opened up superuser (didnt actually do anything accept check the settings), then tried again, and access was granted properly. I already had the latest binaries via busybox so I'm not sure what happened.

jblade1000 said:
I got an error too when I intially tried to use Root Explorer, i opened up superuser (didnt actually do anything accept check the settings), then tried again, and access was granted properly. I already had the latest binaries via busybox so I'm not sure what happened.
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I think this is an issue with SuperUser itself.
The problem is, I cannot set the Automatic Response to "Prompt". If I do use that, then ANY apps that requires root access will be automatically DENIED. The only solution is to set the Automatic Response to "Allow", which I don't want to.
I tested this with LBE Privacy apps. With "Prompt" set in SuperUser, after every reboot, 2 out of 3 times LBE failed to start. I had to open SuperUser and start LBE again and it works. When I set to "Allow", no more problem.

[ROGERS] bloatware list?

Was wondering if anyone has made a comprehensive list of bloatware that is safe to uninstall for the I727R yet? I've used a couple of roms, and they're great, just not as stable as the stock.
Would love to remove *all* the bloat from my device, just don't know which ones are 100% safe to trash yet....
Also, from what I've read, I can just change the kernel if I want to oc, right? What's a good kernel for that? Da_og?
Sent from my rooted SGS2 I727R using stock, until something really stable comes along using xda-app

Two that come to mind off the top of my head
Da_G oc kernal
or
faux123 oc kernal
I've had no problems with either one, but only have limited experience with them.

And those are pretty stable on the Rogers offering? Sorry for the 20 questions, but I'm a novice at best with Android... and this device in particular doesn't seem to have a lot of material that lends itself to inspire absolute confidence in someone of my level of understanding, lol
Sent from my rooted SGS2 I727R using stock, until something really stable comes along using xda-app

the k9 said:
And those are pretty stable on the Rogers offering? Sorry for the 20 questions, but I'm a novice at best with Android... and this device in particular doesn't seem to have a lot of material that lends itself to inspire absolute confidence in someone of my level of understanding, lol
Sent from my rooted SGS2 I727R using stock, until something really stable comes along using xda-app
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I have not tried these kernals with stock rogers gingerbread, but from what I have read around these forums it sounds fairly stable.
if it were me I would just try it; and see if you can get it nice and stable thats the fun of flashing around.

the k9 said:
Was wondering if anyone has made a comprehensive list of bloatware that is safe to uninstall for the I727R yet? I've used a couple of roms, and they're great, just not as stable as the stock.
Would love to remove *all* the bloat from my device, just don't know which ones are 100% safe to trash yet....
Also, from what I've read, I can just change the kernel if I want to oc, right? What's a good kernel for that? Da_og?
Sent from my rooted SGS2 I727R using stock, until something really stable comes along using xda-app
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If you think it might be bload but you aren't sure just go into titanium backup and freeze it. It is the exact same but if you run into problems later just unfreeze it and its right back on your phone. If it turns out you really dont need it then just unistall it

I'm running the ATT bln mod kernel on ATT hardware but a rogers rom and I have no issues.
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So no one has made a bloat list for the I727R?
Sent from my rooted SGS2 I727R using stock, until something really stable comes along using xda-app

Hope no one minds, but I'm gonna keep this bumped till a list is made, our I compile a good list to share... Might be hard though... The urge to flash is getting pretty severe
Sent from my rooted SGS2 I727R using stock, until something really stable comes along using xda-app

After flashing the TPC v3 rom, here are my list of frozen apps. I've also got a lot of third party apps to replace stock launcher/dialer/keyboard/etc.... so I've frozen the stock ver of those.
I'll repeat the advise stated earlier in the thread, use Titanium Backup to freeze the apps instead of removing them completely until you're sure you don't need those.
AllShare
Buddies Now
com.samsung.app.playreadyui
com.sec.android.app.lcdtest
Days
Digital Clock
DRM content launcher
DRM Protected Content Storage
DSMForwarding
DSMLawmo
Dual clock
Email
EncryptApp
Error
Helv Neue
Home Screen tips
IM
Kies Air
Let's try, panning!
Market Feedback Agent
Microbes
Mini paper
Mobile Print
My files
Nfc Service
NFC Test
Ocean weather
Pico TTS
Preconfig
Samsung Apps
Samsung keypad
Samsung TTS
SamsungAppsUNA2
Self Test Mode
Setup Wizard
SIM Toolkit
SNS
SNS Disclaimer
SNSAccountFb
SNSAccountLi
SNSAccountTw
SnsImageCache
Social Hub
Tags
TTS Service
TwLauncher (Touchwiz.. don't freeze unless you have another launcher installed)
TwWallpaperChooser
Videos
Windy Weather
WlanTest
wssyncmlnps

tom0927 said:
After flashing the TPC v3 rom, here are my list of frozen apps. I've also got a lot of third party apps to replace stock launcher/dialer/keyboard/etc.... so I've frozen the stock ver of those.
I'll repeat the advise stated earlier in the thread, use Titanium Backup to freeze the apps instead of removing them completely until you're sure you don't need those.
AllShare
Buddies Now
com.samsung.app.playreadyui
com.sec.android.app.lcdtest
Days
Digital Clock
DRM content launcher
DRM Protected Content Storage
DSMForwarding
DSMLawmo
Dual clock
Email
EncryptApp
Error
Helv Neue
Home Screen tips
IM
Kies Air
Let's try, panning!
Market Feedback Agent
Microbes
Mini paper
Mobile Print
My files
Nfc Service
NFC Test
Ocean weather
Pico TTS
Preconfig
Samsung Apps
Samsung keypad
Samsung TTS
SamsungAppsUNA2
Self Test Mode
Setup Wizard
SIM Toolkit
SNS
SNS Disclaimer
SNSAccountFb
SNSAccountLi
SNSAccountTw
SnsImageCache
Social Hub
Tags
TTS Service
TwLauncher (Touchwiz.. don't freeze unless you have another launcher installed)
TwWallpaperChooser
Videos
Windy Weather
WlanTest
wssyncmlnps
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Nice list
One suggestion: TwLauncher, I'm pretty sure if you were to do a factory reset phone would crash after the inital setup(language blah blah).
Second thing, I've frozen secphone.apk for some time with no ill effects(not sure what it does). Could be screenshot service?

big thanks tom! Now if I can only figure out why this bleeding device keeps frying SD cards... 3rd one onside of a month! WTF?!?

xda1zero said:
Nice list
One suggestion: TwLauncher, I'm pretty sure if you were to do a factory reset phone would crash after the inital setup(language blah blah).
Second thing, I've frozen secphone.apk for some time with no ill effects(not sure what it does). Could be screenshot service?
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Thanks! I've just frozen secphone as well.

Groovy, thanks xda, tom. I was holding off flahing any new roms... but with the card issues, as well as reading the rave reviews of TPC's rom, I'm going to give it a run tonight.
Also, I'll name my first partition after you~

Great
Great list - just rooted, purchased TB, and froze almost all of the above mentioned (except TwLauncher and related).
Seemed to free up a lot of available ram on my SGS2 LTE.
Next step would be trying out 'roms', which I have next to none knowledge of.
Or just wait for the official OTA update coming up in a month or two...

honestly rogers doesnt put as much bloatware on the phone as att does to their version. I removed more Samsung bloatware then rogers bloatware when I was running stock. I'm now running CocaColaClassic and it works flawlessly on my Rogers GS2LTE i727r plus when he updates his rom he includes a update zip. I've tried every single rom and thats the best, cyanogenmod 7 is the second best rom available. Though this is my opinion. Also I use LauncherPro instead of twlauncher (find it much more efficient and faster)

Whats better on Coke than TPCs? Just curious

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JHK1984 said:
... and froze almost all of the above mentioned (except TwLauncher and related).
Seemed to free up a lot of available ram on my SGS2 LTE.
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Freezing apps with TB doesn't free up any memory:
here is a relevant excerpt from TB Technical Guidline
17. Does “freezing” apps free space from phone memory ?
No, it doesn’t. The “frozen” app remains on the phone with its data, it’s just that the app gets completely disabled until you “defrost” it.

USELESS apps that came with my phone

LG Optimus 3D
my phone came with 48 applications. plus 10 3d applications.
there's a lot of crap I don't use and I want them gone.
I need to factory reset anyway just to install god damn skype again. but I want to know if will remove these apps.
I won't root AT ALL because I know nothing of it and can't take the chance of losing my warranty.
3d apps:
3d camera
3d gallery
3d games
3d games & apps
3d guide
3d space
asphalt 6
gullivers travels
lets golf 2
nova
apps:
alarm clock - i use
angry birds - i use
application manager - i use
browser - i use
calculator - i use
calendar - i use
call log - i use
camera - i use
car home - never used it but useful I suppose.
contacts - i use
email - i use
facebook - i use
finance - useless for me
gallery - i use
gmail - what is the point of gmail if I have email app already?
google search - i use
latitude - built with google maps I think.
LG world - no idea what this is.
mobile backup - no idea what this is. must be a subscriber? call 611? wtf?
maps - i use
android market - i use
messaging - i use
music - i use
rogers my account - i use
navigation - i use
yahoo news - i use
on demand (Rogers) - no idea what this is.
phone - i use lol.
places - i use
polaris office - used it once to open a pdf.
rich note - never used it.
rogers ringbacks - useless crap
rogers ringtones - useless crap. just links to a webpage like above.
rogers navigation - useless crap. google is better. rogers you have to pay for.
settings - i use
rogers shop - just links to a stupid webpage
smartshare - no idea what this is.
google talk - dont use
twitter - dont use
rogers urMusic - Horrible layout with ads. worse than the standard android music player.
video player - never used it but useful I guess if you copy movies.
nuance voice control - useful I suppose
voice recorder - useful I suppose
voice search - never used.
weather - useless.
what's new - never used
youtube - i use
flash player settings - never touched.
downloads:
google translate
soundhound
google earth
scanner radio
wifi finder
gstrings
mobile metronome
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WILL factory reset wipe these?
I cannot ROOT my phone. #1 because I don't know how. #2 because I can risk voiding warranty.

Factory wipe will only reset it back to how it was when you got the device... with all those apps. I know in ICS it lets you all but remove apps like hides them and kills them but your device doesn't have ICS.
I would suggest getting a third party launcher like Launcher pro or ADW EX and hiding the apps.

On android, no. Without rooting, the baked in apps are there to stay.

you need root you phone and then find some uninstall tool in MARKet.

how do i know for sure some of these apps are there to stay?
I meant to bold some of them I guess they didn't copy over.
Like all these useless rogers apps. pay for a worse navigation? I hope your joking!
crappy music player... no thanks.

If they were on the phone when you got it then they'll be on there after a factory reset, as that's exactly what happened to it prior to being put in the box.
Only rooting will allow you to remove them if they're system apps.
Alternatively you could try a different launcher. I only suggest this because many of the launchers on the Market will allow you to hide apps from your app drawer. Okay, they're still there, but you can just forget about them and carry on regardless.

ya you have to root to do any thing about it. If you do root make sure you make backups before you start uninstalling these programs just in case.
i have the thrilll 4g almost the same phone as you and i know what you mean what i did was get titanium backup pro has to be pro and froze all the apps i dont like so they dont eat battery or ram they still take up space on the card but o well
"I cannot ROOT my phone. #1 because I don't know how. #2 because I can risk voiding warranty."
i didn't know a thing about android a week ago now i'm rooted and doing all kinds of stuff to my phone if your worried about warrenty u can always unroot when you send it back.
check this page out has everything about rooting and clockworkmod for backups.
for rooting http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1412490
and CWM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365876

Root it if you can my friend, it will be the best choice you ever made

Android-UK said:
Root it if you can my friend, it will be the best choice you ever made
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if it breaks I can't afford to buy another phone for 3 years. I don't know **** about rooting.

Read read and then read some more but i been jailbreaking and hacking ps3/wii's for a long time so it wasent a big jump for me

How can one be sure if it is safe to remove a system app? Is there a list or something?

kulti75 said:
How can one be sure if it is safe to remove a system app? Is there a list or something?
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There are lists for some devices, but it varies from ROM to ROM and device to device. The best way to test is to use something like Titanium Backup and freeze an app. This is equivalent to uninstalling something, without actually uninstalling it. If anything goes wrong you simply unfreeze it.

I was in the same boat you were about a week ago. I started reading about rooting (even watched a few videos) and it seemed pretty straight forward. Since then, not only have I rooted it, I've also upgraded to the latest ICS v12 and did away with all the crap that was on my original Eclair OS. Happy camper now.

NeoCHoZen said:
I was in the same boat you were about a week ago. I started reading about rooting (even watched a few videos) and it seemed pretty straight forward. Since then, not only have I rooted it, I've also upgraded to the latest ICS v12 and did away with all the crap that was on my original Eclair OS. Happy camper now.
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^^^ exactly. It's very easy of you follow all instructions and don't cut and corners. You won't be disappointed when you realize your phone is way better rooted, and running a custom rom.

KayxGee1 said:
^^^ exactly. It's very easy of you follow all instructions and don't cut and corners. You won't be disappointed when you realize your phone is way better rooted, and running a custom rom.
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an what is a custom ROM?
I would take chances if I had money. If this phones bricks it's game over.
where is a legit guide and download for my phone? - lg optimus 3d.

umirin said:
an what is a custom ROM?
I would take chances if I had money. If this phones bricks it's game over.
where is a legit guide and download for my phone? - lg optimus 3d.
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I can understand how you might be leery of trying to root your phone for fear of "bricking" it. However, there's plenty of guides out there that can help you "unbrick" it as long as you do the research.
A simple google search came up with this tutorial that seems pretty straight forward.
androidauthority.com/how-to-root-the-lg-optimus-3d-p920-38038/

umirin said:
an what is a custom ROM?
I would take chances if I had money. If this phones bricks it's game over.
where is a legit guide and download for my phone? - lg optimus 3d.
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Check the optimus 3D forums here at xda and you'll find all the info you need.
I didn't flash a new rom as can't afford to buy new phone if I damage it but have rooted and its so easy you just run a program on pc called superoneclick connect your phone via usb and presd a button
Dave
Sent from my LG P920 using Tapatalk

If you root it you can go to system/app folder and delete them,but u said u wouldn't so u cant
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[Q] Simple Google ROM for GT3110

hello,
It may have been already posted, but i would like to put on my GT3110 a simple & stable ROM without any additional SAMSUNG layer or any other modification.
i've tested the ROM provided by default, very slow and too much stuff that i don't want in it.
i've then tested the CyanogenMod 10 nighlty build, but the Keyboard wasn't working even after having done the clean as recommended on the web.
i've then tested the ROM RomsWell but it contains the SAMSUNG layer.
i'm now using the Paranoid Android 2.51 but the paranoidSettings seems to modify the resolution of the tablet and icons are not positionned correctly when moving from landscape to portrait.
i don't forget how big the work done by all these people providing this for free mainly, but as this tablet is dedicated for a gift to someone not android addict nor interesting in changing ROMs regularly,
So i would like to implement a Google stock ROM with nothing more/less than what is provided by google. even if i loose some performances or other things.
can you tell me where i can find this for the GT3110?
thank you in advance

If you install a launcher like Nova Launcher Prime, you'll find much of the Samsung layer gone. Some of the Samsung apps are superior. Email, Contacts and Planner come to mind. I would call the system easy for unsophisticated users and reliable as well. There plenty of help and a real user manual.
I've been flashing roms for years now and decided to stay with a rooted SGT27. Custom roms, even AOSP aren't that easy to use and there are always bugs.

This .....
king200 said:
If you install a launcher like Nova Launcher Prime, you'll find much of the Samsung layer gone. Some of the Samsung apps are superior. Email, Contacts and Planner come to mind. I would call the system easy for unsophisticated users and reliable as well. There plenty of help and a real user manual.
I've been flashing roms for years now and decided to stay with a rooted SGT27. Custom roms, even AOSP aren't that easy to use and there are always bugs.
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If you (or the person its for ) isnt into modding Android, stick to stock. I use Apex launcher (Free) and to be honest they are all pretty much the same. Touchwiz isnt that bad and Samsung stock apps are really cool.
I would suggest updating it to JellyBean stock via Odin/Heimdall or just wait for the official update via Samsung.I personally use AOKP M1 but its a little confusing to set things up at first and needs tweaking.NOT noob friendly at all and takes time to work it out. ( but that's why I like it).
I would be careful giving "Root" access to inexperienced users as they may get themselves into trouble with it....Remember it gives them full access and control of the ROM. I would suggest a start up manager either way ,to stop all the junk starting up when you boot. Samsung loves bloat lol.
If you want pure Android, flash an AOSP no frills ROM.

jayce996 said:
hello,
It may have been already posted, but i would like to put on my GT3110 a simple & stable ROM without any additional SAMSUNG layer or any other modification.
i've tested the ROM provided by default, very slow and too much stuff that i don't want in it.
i've then tested the CyanogenMod 10 nighlty build, but the Keyboard wasn't working even after having done the clean as recommended on the web.
i've then tested the ROM RomsWell but it contains the SAMSUNG layer.
ican you tell me where i can find this for the GT3110?
thank you in advance
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This does not exist, in fact it does not exist for any device. Stop dreaming of the mythical "clean" ROM that is 10x faster. There is a lot more to a functioning ROM than Google open source Android. There is no such thing as a pure AOSP ROM for any device because its takes Android + kernel + drivers + libs + apps + bootloader + etc. to have a functioning ROM. and everything except the base Android API is device and version specific.
The Samsung touchwiz launcher doesn't slow anything down and if you don't like the way it looks, as suggested above, install one of the good third party launchers and its not even used.
I find this tablet running the Samsung stock ICS to be very fast and clean, So one would wonder what are you doing to it to make it "slow" There's only a few Samsung apps included and unless you run them, they just sit there doing nothing. You can hide them if you don't want to see the icons.

thank you guys,
i'll try the JellyBean standard ROM as recommended and try another free launcher