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UMA Wifi Calling

I hooked up my new MT4G to wifi and it prompted and notified me of wi-fi calling.
Take a look at the picture attached
Pretty sweet finally a android with wifi calling!!!
Edit: This is not uma

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excellent, wrong forum
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Wrong sub forum

I'm gonna go against the grain and say right forum.
Wrong descriptor though, it's not uma.

Technically it's not uma because it doesn't hand off to.and from the tower like blackberry... But I'm equally excited.. Tested and confirmed on mine as well
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motorjonny said:
Technically it's not uma because it doesn't hand off to.and from the tower like blackberry... But I'm equally excited.. Tested and confirmed on mine as well
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Sorry for the wrong sub forum post. OOPS I forgot where I was.
I was unsure of the cellular handoff. Has it been confirmed that it doesn't hand off?

stoute said:
Sorry for the wrong sub forum post. OOPS I forgot where I was.
I was unsure of the cellular handoff. Has it been confirmed that it doesn't hand off?
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Yes it has been. Can't find the source right now but Tmonews.com is where it was hottly discussed and proved to be right.

stoute said:
I hooked up my new MT4G to wifi and it prompted and notified me of wi-fi calling.
Take a look at the picture attached
Pretty sweet finally a android with UMA!!!
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Please stop calling this UMA. It's not the same thing at all.
Wi-fi calling is a clever way to push people on to their own wifi infrastructure. Rather than continue to use cell tower bandwidth, you use your own broadband connection for both data and voice traffic. The best part (for them) is you still use your minutes.
Most people never bother setting up wifi on their phone, because they simply don't have to. The mobile network is available 24x7, and wifi eats battery life. Now, get to charge you *and* get you off their network at the same time.
Brilliant strategy, but I'll pass - I'm not paying T-Mobile to use my own bandwidth.

You would if you were somewhere you didn't have coverage. Or even better if you were out of the country and wanted to call back to a US number and only use your normal minutes and not pay for international roaming.
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The app works great for me with crappy service in my house been waiting for it. Once you get close to the wifi range limit u get a pop-up warning you your call will be lost.

NexVision said:
The app works great for me with crappy service in my house been waiting for it. Once you get close to the wifi range limit u get a pop-up warning you your call will be lost.
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The only problem I had was whsn walking away from work or my house it would drop the call vs the hand off like the blackberrys uma calling feature.
I also think we are all aware this is not a true uma. I will try to edit my op to correct.
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Well if you do not want to use the service then dont or let me guess you are a Apple fanboy so will find something wrong with everything other than iPhone and ATT

I wonder if the txt messages will be routed via wifi as well ?

vikramdhani said:
I wonder if the txt messages will be routed via wifi as well ?
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i read through the frequent questions in the wifi calling app... Confirmed that it does send messages through wifi!

motorjonny said:
i read through the frequent questions in the wifi calling app... Confirmed that it does send messages through wifi!
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It is supposed to do mms sms calls as well as the usual internet and email.
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This is a great feature, i'm just confused why they wouldn't build it to allow it to seamlessly handoff to cell towers.

That would b a hardware requirement and raise the cost.
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dcam1075 said:
You would if you were somewhere you didn't have coverage. Or even better if you were out of the country and wanted to call back to a US number and only use your normal minutes and not pay for international roaming.
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I used WiFi overseas for calling on my BB, and TMo came after me with a bunch of international calling minutes anyway. So unless they have changed their policy - be careful.

gaww said:
I used WiFi overseas for calling on my BB, and TMo came after me with a bunch of international calling minutes anyway. So unless they have changed their policy - be careful.
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Were you calling US numbers?

gaww said:
I used WiFi overseas for calling on my BB, and TMo came after me with a bunch of international calling minutes anyway. So unless they have changed their policy - be careful.
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I used my BB overseas this summer, mobile network off, wifi on. No extra charges.

Will do data and voice over 3g

Both phandroid and Droid life have confirmed that this phone will not only do data and voice over 4g but 3g as well. Yeah! Just another thing to be excited about
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No. simultaneous data and voice is not possible over cdma. They are both wrong. What might happen is voice will go over cdma and data over lte or both will transmit over lte. If you live in an area without lte, you are out of luck.
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how is it possible?

since the new iPhone 4 will do it apperntly they have figured out a way to do it, and you guys only think its not possible because thats what verizon has aalways said, and ven if it doesnt, who the hell cares, who wants to talk and look at the web at the same time

What should work and should not and why (I work on the network)
Ok, I am an engineer working on VZW's network, as well as in the past worked on GSM stuff as well. The reason that VZW could not do voice and data at the same time is because CDMA voice, 1xRTT data, 2G voice, 3G voice, EVDO REV0 and REVA all use the same channel groupes. VZW uses channels 283, 242, 201, 160, 78, 37, and 1019 in the 800 A Band, and with Alltel Acquisition now has 466, 548, 589, and so fourth, the PCS spectrum is abundant too. The LTE is on 700 mhz so uses a different set of radios so could in theory run it at the same time as voice since it would use the other radios to do it. Thats the reason it can work but if they write the software to do it is another thing. They might not because of battery life, would be like running 2 phones off the same battery at the same time. The iPhone will not do it because it will not be LTE ;-)

You could be entirely right as I'm not an engineer for Verizon so I'm not sure, just going off of info based on what I believe I read on one of the android blogs. You can actually talk and surf at the same time. All you need is speakerphobe or headphones ans I wifi connection lol. But I'm pretty sure that anyone on these forums knows that;-)
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I don't know how exactly, but I've been told that you will be able to do simultaneous voice and data on 3g but they are not advertising it because you can only use 1X data.
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cant be done

Haha again I believe you. But I know a little dirt secret if you are close to a wifi router.
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great news this is awesome. Suck it ATT!

qman66 said:
CAN be done
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Fixed your quote for you, one word SVDO.

I wonder if they're doing VOIP trick so they are techinally only doing data alone.
There's nothing prevent HTC from directing the phone dialer through their own VOIP applicaiton.
Also, the iPhone on verizon will not be doing simultaneous voice/data.

So, this is like when you are talking to someone on the phone, you are able to look up stuff like on Maps and all that right?
If Its what I am thinking of..I am able to do that on my Eris(albeit, it is rooted..but..)

Sebrina said:
Fixed your quote for you, one word SVDO.
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That's a pretty fancy trick. Run the voice call on the 1X and leave the EVDO open for the data...I like it.

I hate to tell u this but I can almost promise you that your Eris can only do it when your wifi is on. I have a rooted Eris in my hand running kaos froyo as we speak, it will NOT do it unless wifi is on.
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ksizzle9 said:
I hate to tell u this but I can almost promise you that your Eris can only do it when your wifi is on. I have a rooted Eris in my hand running kaos froyo as we speak, it will NOT do it unless wifi is on.
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You in the wrong forum by any chance? We're talking about the Thundebolt here not the Droid Eris.

He was probably referring to my post
and yes I know that.

Family Guy: I was referring to your post, I just had a huge argument with a Guy in the Eris forums about this exact issue. He insisted that kaos froyo would do both. I insisted that there Is nothing that kaos could do or anyone else to make data and voice work over 3g on any Verizon phone that is currently being sold. And he insisted that his Eris would. I asked him if his wifi was on, he insisted that wifi and 3g wouldn't run at the same time. Anyway, this went on for like 20 private messages and I finally agreed that he has the only Verizon EVER Has ever sold. It could be worth millions. Again, sorry if I sound like a ****. No harm intended. Can't wait for the ****ing thunderbolt.
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Oh thats hilarious!

Yeah. You will see the Guy I ended up going through the argument with in one ofbthe kaos threads. It all started with him saying that his rooted Eris smoke his all his friends DInc's and lets be honest, if u have ever played with both, you know that's not an accurate statement. On a positive note, you guys check out some YouTube videos of the second Gen. Snapdragon processors, damn!!! They were smoking!!! There is a video on android forums or phone arena with the thunderbolt getting a 2150 with no task killer and that's pretty damn good. I know the entire stigma aelround benchmarks as I've been around here for a while(700+ post) but it takes a fast phone to get that without a "lagfix" synthetically driving up scores
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tethering......busted....

Recieved a text from my wireless carrier stating that my tethering would be cut off or I can pay an additional $30 or so per month. I think it came down to me downloading the OS for an iphone 3gs I've been playing with. Last month I ended up with around 10gb of data usage.
Tried tethering after the deadline date and was directed to a site, stating I need to call customer service. I also tried using data on my phone at this point and was directed to the same site. Call customer service and was told to access their data I would need to give them my phones serial number. go figure.... after the past two years of playing with various phones, nexus one, vibrant, hd2, iphone 4, iphone 3gs, nexus s.... they want to know what Im using .....
Solution????
a different android phone again, with tethering.
or
drop my sim card into my iphone 3gs for a few hours and switch back to the mytouch 4g

DUDE
T-m0 said that?...
ok one are you using hotspots...if so stop im sure thats how they are monitoring your data...
try one of these
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
i personally use
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list?can=2&q=Stable
try one of these it should help
otherwise call t-m0 and tell em #&***& 2^^ with a *!!!! !#*(& in your !(*&$*( so they$&!!!
and they understand fine

Seeing as how you are getting the same site from the phone browser and the computer browser, it seems they just assume, not know you are tethering. The hold should go off after your billing month is up. If not, well do they know you have a smart phone, or are you using it on a feature phone plan? If it is the later, then giving them a smart phone serial will probably make them change your plan to a smart phone plan.

I heard if you use the stock tethering app they charge you... what if you use the one that's built into CM 7? isn't that the same as using android-wifi-teather? I was always unclear about that

Well I have been using mytouch 4g and were using the original tether option and now I'm using cm7.never have had any problems.
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witeboy07 said:
Well I have been using mytouch 4g and were using the original tether option and now I'm using cm7.never have had any problems.
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Well for lite usage you won't have problem. But if you are using bandwidth excessively they will notice it and based on using DPI/SPI techniques they can determine which service and protocol is being used. They would never want people to use free bandwidth when they can get people to pay money for same exact thing. Talk about milking the cow for all its worth lol.

Before the mytouch I had a hd7 and before that the first 4g I had was the g2..download were massive and big..never got caught...I was always using the stock T-Mobile tether option..I guess cus I'm on an old unlimited android web plan...
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Yes I did milk it, downloading the os for the iphone probably did it, will wait till cycle is over and do basic tethering again. Im going to my iphone and switch back to see if that works as well.

keepitfashion said:
T-m0 said that?...
ok one are you using hotspots...if so stop im sure thats how they are monitoring your data...
try one of these
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
i personally use
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list?can=2&q=Stable
try one of these it should help
otherwise call t-m0 and tell em #&***& 2^^ with a *!!!! !#*(& in your !(*&$*( so they$&!!!
and they understand fine
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tried the other iphone and switch back , no luck . Im on cm7, and have been for awhile, tethered for over a year and now its being stopped. What are the links to and which one do I need for the mytouch? As for carrier its a local one , cbw,

Just got the text. Now down to edge less speeds
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paczek said:
Just got the text. Now down to edge less speeds
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Edge has a speed? What? Oh yea, Slow . I can't do anything on edge other than check email
osugsxr said:
tried the other iphone and switch back , no luck . Im on cm7, and have been for awhile, tethered for over a year and now its being stopped. What are the links to and which one do I need for the mytouch? As for carrier its a local one , cbw,
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I downloaded 2.07 and it seems to work. Temp-Rooted.

hkbladelawhk said:
Edge has a speed? What? Oh yea, Slow . I can't do anything on edge other than check email
I downloaded 2.07 and it seems to work. Temp-Rooted.
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Yes I do use the tethering hotpsot often for internet at home. I downloaded the app you recommend, will test it out for awhile to see if itll make a difference and still allow me to tether.

I'm having conflicting information put my way about tethering. Is T-Mobile charging for using the WiFi Tether feature in froyo, or are they charging for the Wired Tether feature.
I can't even get a straight answer from store reps or customer service. It's like they don't even know themselves.
Trying to basically find out if I need to go back to using barnacle.
Update-June 1: If you have a Android data package Tethering is FREE.
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RootUserDWR said:
I'm having conflicting information put my way about tethering. Is T-Mobile charging for using the WiFi Tether feature in froyo, or are they charging for the Wired Tether feature.
I can't even get a straight answer from store reps or customer service. It's like they don't even know themselves.
Trying to basically find out if I need to go back to using barnacle.
XDA ICE GLACIER - THEMED / Never stock
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I'm not with tmobile, I have been using android phones for over a year plus, starting with the nexus one. I have always been tethering and kept my data around 5-6gbs per month. Last month I hit the 11 or 12gb mark, and within the first week of the new month I was already up to 3.5gbs. Mainly from downloading the Iphone OS, and other tools I needed.
Over the past year, I never once was charged for tethering nor was I warned about it. You shouldn't need to worry about tethering with tmobile, if you hit the 5gb of data they will cut your speeds. I download the tethering app from the first page of this post, and it seems to be working fine as of now.

RootUserDWR said:
I'm having conflicting information put my way about tethering. Is T-Mobile charging for using the WiFi Tether feature in froyo, or are they charging for the Wired Tether feature.
I can't even get a straight answer from store reps or customer service. It's like they don't even know themselves.
Trying to basically find out if I need to go back to using barnacle.
XDA ICE GLACIER - THEMED / Never stock
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Yea. I've wondered this as well. I wonder at what point they charge us for tethering and how they prove it. Staying around that 5gb per month.
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3G Data and Talk at the same time!

Anyone notice that you can Talk+Surf at the same time when on 3G-mode ???
I noticed this the other day when their 4G was down for the entire day!!
This is the only Verizon phone that can do it!!!

Yes sir, that is one of cool features of VZW's LTE network.
Although I rarely use it, it is nice to have

jj3699 said:
Yes sir, that is one of cool features of VZW's LTE network.
Although I rarely use it, it is nice to have
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Agreed since I never really use my phone for talking I find very little need but it really just gives me another reason to love this amazing phone.
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The reason we are able to do it on 3G as well is because the Thunderbolt has two different antennas. One is for the LTE/3G and one is for the 1X/Text messaging. Because it has the two different ones that's why we will be able to talk and surf. The Bionic may be cancelled because the antennae is not working well with the tegra. And the Samsung Charge will only be able to talk and surf in a 4G area. If you are on 3G you won't be able to talk and surf. So it's a cool feature that hTc has right now. The information is based off of the review of the ThunderBolt below with a couple of bits from what I have been reading.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4240/htc-thunderbolt-review-first-verizon-4g-lte-smartphone

My friend says he can talk and surf on his Verizon iPhone
Luke

lukesdiesel said:
My friend says he can talk and surf on his Verizon iPhone
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Then he's lying. Unless he's using WiFi
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I just realized this yesterday, and it made me SO happy! I've got mad love for my T-Bolt right now!

blackmanx (Twitter's most popular Verizon network engineer) said it was because the Bolt uses SVDO instead of EVDO for it's 3G. This makes it possible to talk and surf at the same time over 3G. So the Bolt is only using the one radio when talking and surfing on 3G
As for 4G, LTE uses a separate radio, but LTE allows for this simultaneous function anyway
And no, the Verizon iPhone very much cannot use this functionality, nor can any other phone currently on Verizon's lineup. You need to go to a GSM network if you want this on any other phone when using 3G

dahotz said:
The reason we are able to do it on 3G as well is because the Thunderbolt has two different antennas. One is for the LTE/3G and one is for the 1X/Text messaging. Because it has the two different ones that's why we will be able to talk and surf. The Bionic may be cancelled because the antennae is not working well with the tegra. And the Samsung Charge will only be able to talk and surf in a 4G area. If you are on 3G you won't be able to talk and surf. So it's a cool feature that hTc has right now. The information is based off of the review of the ThunderBolt below with a couple of bits from what I have been reading.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4240/htc-thunderbolt-review-first-verizon-4g-lte-smartphone
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So does this mean that our calls don't ever go through 3GEV or LTE, and always 1x?
Reason I ask, is in the 2 weeks that I had the TBolt, the clarity of my calls seem inferior compared to my nexus one on T-Mo 3G, like the person on the other end sounds muffled. Not sure about others, but thats been my experience so far.

ramborami said:
Anyone notice that you can Talk+Surf at the same time when on 3G-mode ???
I noticed this the other day when their 4G was down for the entire day!!
This is the only Verizon phone that can do it!!!
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Proud of you

actually it IS possible. but only on the eHRPD network. it is 3G and you can talk and surf. The thunderbolt is the only device with it that i know of. you dont need to be in 4G LTE area to get it.

Am I imagining things??

On several separate occasions I have been on the phone talking while surfing the web and running Google searches. All this while in 3g. Is it possible that Motorola has finally given us a cdma devise capable of simultaneous voice and data without need for 4g? If this is the case why has nobody mentioned it before. Am I the only one who has noticed this? Why was this not a main selling point at the Verizon store? Well, regardless of the answers to those questions I will say, "this phone is AWESOME"
I have been an androider with many different phones since the G1 on T-Mobile. Except for one month i made the the huge mistake of trying apple but i digress. I have also been rooting and romming since the G1. This is the first time that I have had a phone longer than a day without romming it. I have now had this phone a month and still have yet to rom it. I feel there is no need. I am getting 18hrs between charges and that's with screen on and streaming slacker radio in and out of 4g because I travel. Not a single phone that I have heard of or experienced can touch this phone on battery life or even come close for that matter. The build quality is amazing. The UI is amazing. The speed is amazing. The as of yet almost bug free android experience is amazing (only bug I have noticed is a slight lag in the keyboard while in landscape mode but, it always catches up. I type as though its not lagging at all). The display quality is amazing. Oh and by the way, after experiencing siri and all other voice activated apps. Moto voice commands is the best one ever. It actually understands what I'm saying. This is something I have known though since as far back as the bionic. The speed on this phone is amazing. The screen size on this phone is perfect. (IMO) the list of great things I can say about my experience over the last month with this device is almost endless. The main focus of this thread is for others to express their opinions of the phone and to acknowledge the fact that this phone is capable of simultaneous voice and data while in 3g.
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I didn't understand.
You're saying you ccan talk on your phone while on 4G? Or you're saying it stays stable while doing both surfing and talking?
And yes,
I do think it's an awesome phone and without need tom change to any custom ROM. I think...

liquelt said:
I didn't understand.
You're saying you ccan talk on your phone while on 4G? Or you're saying it stays stable while doing both surfing and talking?
And yes,
I do think it's an awesome phone and without need tom change to any custom ROM. I think...
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I think he is saying he was about to do voice and data at the same time while his phone was reporting it was on 3G, not 4G.

grmncrsnbr said:
I think he is saying he was about to do voice and data at the same time while his phone was reporting it was on 3G, not 4G.
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VZW has had phones that can do simultaneous voice and data on 3G before. HTC Rezound comes to mind, and I am sure it is not the only one...

SquireSCA said:
VZW has had phones that can do simultaneous voice and data on 3G before. HTC Rezound comes to mind, and I am sure it is not the only one...
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Thunderbolt could do it too. I think it was the first VZW phone that could.

steve0617 said:
Thunderbolt could do it too. I think it was the first VZW phone that could.
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Yeah, forgot about that one.

I noticed this also. I think it's great.
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SquireSCA said:
VZW has had phones that can do simultaneous voice and data on 3G before. HTC Rezound comes to mind, and I am sure it is not the only one...
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HTC has been doing it since the unveiling of their 1st 4g phone. They do it by including two separate antennas. This is the first Motorola device to do it though. I just think it should have been talked about more. Sales guy didn't even tell me about it when I was torn between this or the gsiii.
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IIRC, my bionic did it as well!

yutzyscott said:
HTC has been doing it since the unveiling of their 1st 4g phone. They do it by including two separate antennas. This is the first Motorola device to do it though. I just think it should have been talked about more. Sales guy didn't even tell me about it when I was torn between this or the gsiii.
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I believe the EVO 4G was the first 4G phone ever and it was from HTC. It couldn't do data and voice while on 3G but it could while on 4G.

I'm almost certain that this has nothing to do with 3g/4g and more about the radios that are used. Similar to how the verizon iPhone 5 is incapable out the box of simultaneous voice and data because of how they utilized the radio.
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clintonroche said:
IIRC, my bionic did it as well!
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I had a bionic. It was a piece of crap. It did simultaneous voice and data only in 4G mode not 3G. This I know for a fact. As far as the one who said that the epic 4G was incapable of this, yes you are right it was. I should have been more specific and pointed out that I was referring to Verizon only as I am not a sprint customer.
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brownrt said:
I'm almost certain that this has nothing to do with 3g/4g and more about the radios that are used. Similar to how the verizon iPhone 5 is incapable out the box of simultaneous voice and data because of how they utilized the radio.
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On a 3G CDMA network the only way to achieve simultaneous voice and data is by providing with two antennas so that while one is being utilized for voice the other can maintain data. There is no way to achieve this with only firmware (ex. Radio file) that is written to do so. You must have the second antenna as well as properly written firmware. The iPhone 5 is a different bowl of wax. The phone isn't capable of this even while connected via LTE because the firmware was written in such a way to prevent it even though LTE is natively designed to do so. So in closing it can be disabled solely with firmware on a capable network but, not enabled solely with firmware on an incapable network.
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Wait a second, let me make sure I understand this correctly... You're saying the iphone5 can't talk and data at the same time? This was a huge selling point for previous iphones, why would they do away with it? Other than to save room in the device to make it smaller, I understand that, but you would think they would want to keep the phone technologically up-to-date (or at least up-to-date with the ancestor devices...)
I always knew Apple was a joke. This is just reason # I-Lost-Count.

iPhone 5 on GSM can do data and voice simultaneously. Only CDMA carriers like Verizon suffer from the problem.
Apple didn't want to put an extra antenna in it because they said it will mess with their design... so they left it out.