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[Q] HTC sensation for Canada ?

Any info on when this might released in canada.
I am on ATT and I feel terrible that another great handset is going to T mobile and F**** att is not interested. Carriers in Canada like rogers and telus have the same band for ATT.
( But again no 4G )
So curious to know if canada is getting one.

Just letting you know that Telus AND Bell use a 4G network (HSPA+)
The DHD actually came out on what was considered a 3G+ network, with DL speeds up to 14 Mb/s, which is really the American 4G standard. With Telus' LTE coming in soon, you can expect DL speeds up to 75 Mb/s... So yeah, canadians don't really lag behind in that aspect!
As for the phone coming out here, Bell and Telus are big fans of HTC, and Bell even launched the Incredible S! So I'd say the chances are pretty good for it to come out here... Only thing is that if it comes to Telus, it might take a few months, as they tend to take their time with phone launches, and Rogers is just a Sony fan...

is Telus received the HTC Deasire HD and the first Desire look to see the Sensation on Telus as well but Telus has issues with taking to long to release phones but dont be suprised to see the phone with bell as well since the Atrix was a hit and miss

TheSobadef said:
Just letting you know that Telus AND Bell use a 4G network (HSPA+)
The DHD actually came out on what was considered a 3G+ network, with DL speeds up to 14 Mb/s, which is really the American 4G standard. With Telus' LTE coming in soon, you can expect DL speeds up to 75 Mb/s... So yeah, canadians don't really lag behind in that aspect!
As for the phone coming out here, Bell and Telus are big fans of HTC, and Bell even launched the Incredible S! So I'd say the chances are pretty good for it to come out here... Only thing is that if it comes to Telus, it might take a few months, as they tend to take their time with phone launches, and Rogers is just a Sony fan...
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I dint mean to say that US was ahead in terms of 4G. I thought the band for 4G was different between the networks. However its really good to know they are the same. Will be jumping to get hold of sensation when its released in canada.
Now have to find out someone to ship me one

TheSobadef said:
Just letting you know that Telus AND Bell use a 4G network (HSPA+)
The DHD actually came out on what was considered a 3G+ network, with DL speeds up to 14 Mb/s, which is really the American 4G standard. With Telus' LTE coming in soon, you can expect DL speeds up to 75 Mb/s... So yeah, canadians don't really lag behind in that aspect!
As for the phone coming out here, Bell and Telus are big fans of HTC, and Bell even launched the Incredible S! So I'd say the chances are pretty good for it to come out here... Only thing is that if it comes to Telus, it might take a few months, as they tend to take their time with phone launches, and Rogers is just a Sony fan...
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Rogers uses the same type of HSPA+ network as well.. I really wish they wouldn't call it 4g though.

Having been on both sides , I miss the net speeds in Canada.
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Is this phone going to work properly on rogers?
I've read that on rogers its only going to get 2G speeds...
I've been waiting for rogers to get a good phone for almost a year now, I'm going to leave if they don't get any good phones soon.

Rogers, Bell and Telus use 1900MHz for 3G.
The Sensation uses 1700MHz.
If you want a carrier that's compatible with the Sensation, you need Mobilicity (ME!) or Wind.

I think htc will release one with a compatible band

Thracks said:
Rogers, Bell and Telus use 1900MHz for 3G.
The Sensation uses 1700MHz.
If you want a carrier that's compatible with the Sensation, you need Mobilicity (ME!) or Wind.
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The G2 was released with T-Mobile bands, then later released with support for 1900 as the Desire Z. I'm returning my Nexus S and am going to stick with the Nexus One for the time being - I really hope this model makes it to Telus. There's nothing about it that I'd change other than maybe a bigger battery. Sense is tolerable.

Thracks said:
Rogers, Bell and Telus use 1900MHz for 3G.
The Sensation uses 1700MHz.
If you want a carrier that's compatible with the Sensation, you need Mobilicity (ME!) or Wind.
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Actually,
Rogers, Telus and Bell use 850/1900 for 3G, and many phones with just the 850 UMTS frequency work on these networks (i.e. The Australian HTC HD2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks

Thracks said:
Rogers, Bell and Telus use 1900MHz for 3G.
The Sensation uses 1700MHz.
If you want a carrier that's compatible with the Sensation, you need Mobilicity (ME!) or Wind.
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The sensation only uses 1700 in the US for T-Mobile. But who cares about 1700? No one ****ing uses that band. 2100 is what's used worldwide, and that's the sensation the world will get. What we're wondering is when a 850/1900 Sensation will hit.
As an AT&T customer, I'm not even counting on AT&T to get it, nor do I care if they get the phone. I don't want to be thrown on their smartphone data plan anyway. I like importing phones and slapping a SIM in so I can keep going on the $15/plan
Anyway, so if Canada carries the Sensation, that means it will come in 850/1900 flavors.

Even if u have a smartphone u can still use the 15$ plan

drgopoos said:
Even if u have a smartphone u can still use the 15$ plan
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If you use a non carrier smartphone you can get away with it. AT&T's not gonna make a huge list of all the smartphones in the world and blacklist them from the $15 plan.
They did it for the N1 but taht's because it was sold in the US targetted @ AT&T customers with the 850/1900 bands.
They can only really control the phones they sell to make sure that if you want data with their phones, if it's a smartphone you will be on the $30 plan. Suck it ATT.

dmo580 said:
if it's a smartphone you will be on the $30 plan. Suck it ATT.
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This is no longer valid.
Att has changed the rules now. Even if u have a smartphone u can have the 15$ plan.
My wife has iphone and she is on 15$ plan

drgopoos said:
This is no longer valid.
Att has changed the rules now. Even if u have a smartphone u can have the 15$ plan.
My wife has iphone and she is on 15$ plan
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Well AT&T is rather nice to you. Up here in Canada, Rogers (AT&T's counterpart in Canada) forces you into a minimum $45 Data Plan if you upgrade from a normal phone to a smartphone. Negotiations never seem to work unless you're extremely lucky, or know someone in the business.
On the topic of the Sensation coming to Canada, I have my doubts on Rogers getting it. They haven't supported many HTC devices in the past, and I doubt they will now. Rogers always carries Samsung and LG, with the occasional Sony Ericsson device.
I'd be willing to put money on Telus and/or Bell getting the Sensation, while Rogers probably taking the Galaxy S II.

If the phone comes out on telus or bell ill still be happy, since telus/bell/rogers all use the same 3G bands now.

Actually in Canada, for BlackBerry you need a minimum of $40 V&D, but for any other smartphone, it's $50... That said, I hear in the US V&D plans can go as high as $100 (here too, but they're the exception, not the norm). Unfortunately though, around these parts most plans don't come with more than 1GB of data.
One of the benefits of our plans though, is that download speeds destroy US speeds. LTE here is 125 Mb/s vs the 14 Mb/s you guys get. For us 14 Mb/s is considered regular HSPA+ (3G+).
As a Bestbuy mobile rep though, I get a fair plan for myself ($35 all incl) for my V&D plan that gives me all the add-ons i need (unlimited txt, Caller ID, VM, early nights) + 200 min and 1 GB data. Pretty good if you ask me
As a Telus customer though, and back on topic, whichever new phone to come out first to Bell or Telus (Sensation or S2), will be the one I buy. I'm hoping both will launch this summer, but I don't really feel like leaving Telus unless I have to...

I am hoping that the sensation gets a GSM release. Being it supports the MAP bluetooth profile, i would like to get a Android phone for my Focus to work with the My ford touch system. There are no android phones in canada that i know of that work with that profile.
When is the glaxy s2 supposed to be released in canada?

ive been with every big phone supplier 4 at least afew weeks and htc is the only 1 im interested in. the galaxy s could be a great phone but they dont give you enough great features. if samsung had its own "friendstream" style social widget, it woyuld compete. but after flahsing sense 3.0 on my desire hd, ill never go back to plain android. every company's UI look sboring in comparision to sense 3.0. only flaw with htc right now is psx4droid doesnt work on the updated sense ui. oncenthat is fixed, this is easily the best brand phone

[Q] ATT long term network question

Hey folks. I'm currently a Sprint customer thinking of switching to ATT after my upcoming deployment. I've browsed through 7 pages of this forum and seen some threads that dance around the questions I have, but none that conclusively answer them. I know right now ATT has HSPA+ as their "4g" tech, but from the looks of it they will be rolling out LTE in q4 of this year. I've seen conflicting posts throughout various threads about whether or not the Inspire has the hardware necessary to connect to LTE when it comes online. Can anyone give me a definitive yes/no? Also, does anyone know if ATT will be making their entire network HSPA+ compliant (regardless of LTE rollout)? Does anyone have a hard date on the LTE rollout (and phone options for it)?

No the Inspire does not have an LTE radio. As far as which phones will, they have not been announced yet.
jdelforge5684 said:
Hey folks. I'm currently a Sprint customer thinking of switching to ATT after my upcoming deployment. I've browsed through 7 pages of this forum and seen some threads that dance around the questions I have, but none that conclusively answer them. I know right now ATT has HSPA+ as their "4g" tech, but from the looks of it they will be rolling out LTE in q4 of this year. I've seen conflicting posts throughout various threads about whether or not the Inspire has the hardware necessary to connect to LTE when it comes online. Can anyone give me a definitive yes/no? Also, does anyone know if ATT will be making their entire network HSPA+ compliant (regardless of LTE rollout)? Does anyone have a hard date on the LTE rollout (and phone options for it)?
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No the inspire does not support LTE, no current Att phone does.
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As others have said, there are no LTE capable phones on AT&T's network at the moment. The first we'll probably see is the iPhone 5 (with future update), or iPhone 6, which is rumored to be available in the 2nd quarter of 2012.
At the moment, AT&T is banking real hard on the T-Mo deal going through so they have access to T-Mo's LTE spectrum, and that deal won't go through until early next year... If the FCC doesn't shut it down, that is.
No need to put out expensive LTE capable phones when you won't have a network to have them operate on till LATE this year, early next.

droe411 said:
No the Inspire does not have an LTE radio. As far as which phones will, they have not been announced yet.
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Would I be correct to assume that a simple Radio update could enable this and many other phones to be capable of LTE?

tribalartgod said:
Would I be correct to assume that a simple Radio update could enable this and many other phones to be capable of LTE?
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LTE will operate on a different frequency so it will not work afaik.

newter55 said:
LTE will operate on a different frequency so it will not work afaik.
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This.
LTE devices will work with a completely different technology, so for the same reason you can't just flash a Verizon (CDMA) phone to work on ATT (HSPA+), you can't flash an HSPA+ phone to work with LTE.

3G 4G Versions?

Could someone please tell me if there are two different versions of HTC Sensation. Are there 3G and a 4G versions available? The one I have ordered does not even mention anything about 4G. Thanks

krico said:
Could someone please tell me if there are two different versions of HTC Sensation. Are there 3G and a 4G versions available? The one I have ordered does not even mention anything about 4G. Thanks
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they're all the same phone. It's not really 4G, just the US mobile providers using the term to try to 1-up their competition. Therefore only the tmous version will be Sensation 4G.
All the phones should be capable of 14Mbps HSPA+ tho.

Xnifex is right, 4G is the rage here in the states so everyone is trying to talk it up to entice buyers. HSPA+ is all we have on T-Mobile and the other 4G networks are small so eh.
I believe that I read somewhere that the Euro version IS capable of the same theoretical network speeds, it is just not advertised as 4G.

10332007 said:
I believe that I read somewhere that the Euro version IS capable of the same theoretical network speeds, it is just not advertised as 4G.
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I just studied the specifications and, yes: Both versions are capable of the same speeds. 4G is just a marketing term T-Mobile (and other carriers) like to use.
In Europe (at least where I live), carriers don't usually advertise as being "4G" capable, even if they have started running LTE networks. I've seen advertisements for "HSPA+ speeds", LTE directly as well as "Air to Fiber" to highlight the carriers backend.
I don't think there are GSM/UMTS/LTE smartphones on the market right now, it is still a "future technology" for some time to come.

10332007 said:
Xnifex is right, 4G is the rage here in the states so everyone is trying to talk it up to entice buyers. HSPA+ is all we have on T-Mobile and the other 4G networks are small so eh.
I believe that I read somewhere that the Euro version IS capable of the same theoretical network speeds, it is just not advertised as 4G.
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Correct yet again
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its all 3.5g
get a n8 and you'll see it pull down the same speeds as any of tmobs "4g" phone

This is also the reason I want to change my notification icons from having the 4G to saying H+

[Q] AT&T Turns off 3G Stunt

So there is millions of AT&T crap network without 3G service across the US. Does anyone feel like I do in the sense that AT&T is doing this as a stunt to the government to show how crappy their network is and why they need to dismantle the beautiful creation TMO created with HSPA+. Its sad the AT&T has to stoop so low to get what they want.

No because each run off of different 3g technologies ...plus at&t is going lte for their 4g
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laker666 said:
No because each run off of different 3g technologies ...plus at&t is going lte for their 4g
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i disagree both AT&T are both GSM the only difference is the frequency they operate on. AT&T will dismantle TMO HSPA+ for their "LTE" rollout. of course raise prices.

AT&T didn't storm Deutsche Telekom's offices with guns to get them to agree to sell T-Mobile U.S. Deutsche Telekom is in a world of financial hurt and needs the $39B to reinvest in what's left once T-Mobile's gone. In fact, they're giving back 1/3 of the $39B to shareholders after closing to compensate for their ****ty financial performance.
T-Mobile U.S. has the lowest yield per pre-paid customer of all four carriers, the highest attrition rate, the highest bad debt write-off, and the lowest margins. That all adds up to less money to invest in new products and services in a highly competitive environment. None of this is sustainable for a public company that answers to shareholders. So if it wasn't AT&T, it would be Sprint or private equity (which means slash and burn). Fat, dumb, and happy wasn't ever really an option.

Let your voice be heard. Go to the FCC website, and post your comment about the merger. fjallfoss dot fcc dot gov/ecfs/hotdocket/list proceeding number 11-65.

@flack0, they have different radios, hence the reason a T-Mobile phone will not run at&TS 3g and an at&t phone won't run tmobiles 3g
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I don't know where you get your facts, but DT is NOT in a world of financial hurt.
They are, however, looking to offload debt that they can't justify.
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Unless you have a G2x with unlocked AT&T frequencies or the other high end phones that Tmobile is coming out with that supports both Tmobile and AT&T 3G frequencies.
Tmobile is pretty confident that the merger is going to go through and is releasing some of their high end phones with dual support

Those rumors about the g2x having both at&t and T-Mobile 3g/4g bands have been long proven to be false...same with the sensation ....to my knowledge there isn't a phone out as of yet that supports both. Please correct me if I'm wrong ...and if you unlock this phone to at&t it will work, but only on edge and wifi
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laker666 said:
Those rumors about the g2x having both at&t and T-Mobile 3g/4g bands have been long proven to be false...same with the sensation ....to my knowledge there isn't a phone out as of yet that supports both. Please correct me if I'm wrong ...and if you unlock this phone to at&t it will work, but only on edge and wifi
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It has the hardware but not the software, YET.
FYI, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139849

flak0 said:
So there is millions of AT&T crap network without 3G service across the US. Does anyone feel like I do in the sense that AT&T is doing this as a stunt to the government to show how crappy their network is and why they need to dismantle the beautiful creation TMO created with HSPA+. Its sad the AT&T has to stoop so low to get what they want.
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ATT gave half a billion dollars to democrat lawmakers to ensure the deal will go through. It's a done deal. Tmobile is history. All hail new higher prices and crappy service.
I plan on re-signing a new two year agreement at my grandfathered pricing as late as possible to push back the inevitable price hikes.
Edit. The dems recived $500,000 in contributions from ATT. Sorry for the typo.

sstang2006 said:
It has the hardware but not the software, YET.
FYI, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139849
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??? Not that I doubt you, but do you have any solid proof that it will work on ATT 3g? Conformation from ATT, Tmo or LG? Have any of the companies involved guaranteed it will work? All that thread says it should support it. I find the claims that it is locked down and hidden but will magically work later dubious at best.

jcbofkc said:
ATT gave half a billion dollars to democrat lawmakers to ensure the deal will go through. It's a done deal. Tmobile is history. All hail new higher prices and crappy service.
I plan on re-signing a new two year agreement at my grandfathered pricing as late as possible to push back the inevitable price hikes.
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I would not say the price hacks are innevitable. When verizon bought out alltell they didnt jack up the price on their current plans. In fact they pretty much stayed the same, just owned by verizon.

@sstang2006, yeah that's not proof that's just the same guy posting the same thing in a different thread...it isn't possible for this phone to run on at&t's 3g/4g networks
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Those rumors about the g2x having both at&t and T-Mobile 3g/4g bands have been long proven to be false...same with the sensation ....to my knowledge there isn't a phone out as of yet that supports both. Please correct me if I'm wrong ...and if you unlock this phone to at&t it will work, but only on edge and wifi
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There are several phones out right now that support 3g on att and tmobile nokia makes atleast 6 phones that are pentaband wcdma 5 bands and the tmobile vibrant will do 3g on att Band I (UMTS 2100, Europe's main 3G band)
Band II (UMTS 1900, US band)
Band IV (UMTS 1700/2100, US band)
Band V (UMTS 850, US band)
Band VIII (UMTS 900, Europe and used e.g. in France and Finland in rural areas)

Well you saying it ISN'T possible isn't warranted either.
The hardware specs specifically say it supports those bands. Tmobile also said it supported those bands. LG said it supported those bands. It passed the FCC with those bands.
Tmobile stated that several of their high end phones will support the AT&T 3G bands and will be unlocked to do so once the merger goes through.
The G2x was the first to support them. The Sensation doesn't. I think the Hercules will as well (although be still be locked until the merger).
Now really, no one REALLY knows one way or another... but looking at the evidence (which are referenced all over the place) it would be best to say that one day we COULD have support for AT&T 3G (unlike the Sensation which doesn't have the hardware).
We do have the hardware but it is locked down. Being it is such a new phone and we don't have any other baselands available, we can't simply flash and be successful. Perhaps the Canadian version will have them all unlocked and we can use theirs.
But to say it isn't possible is not proven just as much as saying it is possible. I would say it IS possible but not right now (AKA it doesn't work out of the box).

i hope you're right sir....that is if the merger happens

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Well you saying it ISN'T possible isn't warranted either.
The hardware specs specifically say it supports those bands. Tmobile also said it supported those bands. LG said it supported those bands. It passed the FCC with those bands.
Tmobile stated that several of their high end phones will support the AT&T 3G bands and will be unlocked to do so once the merger goes through.
The G2x was the first to support them. The Sensation doesn't. I think the Hercules will as well (although be still be locked until the merger).
Now really, no one REALLY knows one way or another... but looking at the evidence (which are referenced all over the place) it would be best to say that one day we COULD have support for AT&T 3G (unlike the Sensation which doesn't have the hardware).
We do have the hardware but it is locked down. Being it is such a new phone and we don't have any other baselands available, we can't simply flash and be successful. Perhaps the Canadian version will have them all unlocked and we can use theirs.
But to say it isn't possible is not proven just as much as saying it is possible. I would say it IS possible but not right now (AKA it doesn't work out of the box).
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I would love for this to be a possibility but where do you find that the phone has the hardware? Everything I can find via Google searches says it does not.

phburks said:
I would love for this to be a possibility but where do you find that the phone has the hardware? Everything I can find via Google searches says it does not.
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The hardware specs are all over the place. It was only AFTER the phone was released that Tmobile said the phone didn't support it and it was restricted by "hardware".
pfft.
The G2x is based off the O2x. Sure slightly different but I would almost bet they used the same "quadband EDGE, and quadband HSPA+ (with future-proof support for 2100, 1900, 1700 / AWS, and 850MHz)" chip.
I bet the G2x and the O2x use the same chip. Tmobile probably just ordered it to be locked down (lack of drivers or something).
It would require a tear down of both the G2x and O2x to be certain.

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The hardware specs are all over the place. It was only AFTER the phone was released that Tmobile said the phone didn't support it and it was restricted by "hardware".
pfft.
The G2x is based off the O2x. Sure slightly different but I would almost bet they used the same "quadband EDGE, and quadband HSPA+ (with future-proof support for 2100, 1900, 1700 / AWS, and 850MHz)" chip.
I bet the G2x and the O2x use the same chip. Tmobile probably just ordered it to be locked down (lack of drivers or something).
It would require a tear down of both the G2x and O2x to be certain.
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"all over the place" ... "I bet" ... and "probably" don't really prove anything. You're just speculating, and so far it's based only on your opinion because you haven't provided any sort of links or references to prove your point. The only things I can find regarding the G2X having quad band HSPA+ are when T-Mobile admitted that they were wrong in saying it supported those bands in the first place. On LG's own website they list the G2X as supporting only 2 HSPA+ frequencies (1700/2100). Also on LG's website, they list the O2x as supporting 3 HSPA+ frequencies (900/1900/2100).
It would be awesome if T-Mobile had been correct, but there is nothing I can find that suggests they were. I'm just asking that you pull one or two links from your "all over the place" evidence so that I can have the same faith that you do. I'm not finding it, so I'm asking you to show me. That's all.
Here are the links to LG's product listings for the O2x and the G2X, and the specifications can be viewed by clicking on the specifications tab for each product:
G2X here: http://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/LG-P999.jsp
O2x here: http://www.lg.com/uk/mobile-phones/all-lg-phones/LG-android-mobile-phone-P990.jsp
**EDIT** -- Let me just add that I sincerely hope you prove me wrong, because that would be some awesome news about this phone.

[Q] Lte and infuse

Will the infuse be able to run off the new lte network?

Even I know the answer to this...no
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No no no and..............???? No
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hold up a verizon lte phone to the infuse. the verizon phone will be twice as thick to hold that lte radio.

Nah ATT will have LTE in 5 cities by the end of the summer? I forgot, but yeah ATT is getting LTE.....
LTE is a different band therefore different modem. Infuse doesn't have an LTE modem/hardware. Done.s

Chatted with AT&T tech support Mark. He said "HSPA+ and LTE are one and the same". Can I believe this guy?

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Chatted with AT&T tech support Mark. He said "HSPA+ and LTE are one and the same". Can I believe this guy?
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no, but there are radio chipsets that can do both. I don't think the infuse has this chip. and the infuse is not spec'd to have lte capabilities.
2g,3g,and 4g are just marketing terms that are supposed to give a general idea to the consumer how fast it is.

lidezhan said:
Chatted with AT&T tech support Mark. He said "HSPA+ and LTE are one and the same". Can I believe this guy?
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No. He has NO clue.

Chatted with another AT&T tech support Jesus. According to him, "Infuse can run on both [HSPA and LTE] ... It is a phone designed for this transition since 4G level speeds are available with both LTE and the HSPA networks. And the Infuse can access them both. The Motorola Atrix as well ... I am not able to find documentation that is not proprietary. The information I have, since LTE is only in testing stages, is that LTE compatibility is not posted on the Specifications. The 4G speeds are currently being provided by an enhanced version of HSPA and HSPDA, and the phones are connectible. The 4G phones, such as designated the Atrix and the Infuse, will be able to access LTE once it becomes established via a software upgrade."

lidezhan said:
Chatted with another AT&T tech support Jesus. According to him, "Infuse can run on both [HSPA and LTE] ... It is a phone designed for this transition since 4G level speeds are available with both LTE and the HSPA networks. And the Infuse can access them both. The Motorola Atrix as well ... I am not able to find documentation that is not proprietary. The information I have, since LTE is only in testing stages, is that LTE compatibility is not posted on the Specifications. The 4G speeds are currently being provided by an enhanced version of HSPA and HSPDA, and the phones are connectible. The 4G phones, such as designated the Atrix and the Infuse, will be able to access LTE once it becomes established via a software upgrade."
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Well at least you found Jesus...

lidezhan said:
Chatted with another AT&T tech support Jesus. According to him, "Infuse can run on both [HSPA and LTE] ... It is a phone designed for this transition since 4G level speeds are available with both LTE and the HSPA networks. And the Infuse can access them both. The Motorola Atrix as well ... I am not able to find documentation that is not proprietary. The information I have, since LTE is only in testing stages, is that LTE compatibility is not posted on the Specifications. The 4G speeds are currently being provided by an enhanced version of HSPA and HSPDA, and the phones are connectible. The 4G phones, such as designated the Atrix and the Infuse, will be able to access LTE once it becomes established via a software upgrade."
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That's somewhat more believable - e.g. the hardware is capable but the radio baseband isn't yet.

lidezhan said:
Chatted with another AT&T tech support Jesus. According to him, "Infuse can run on both [HSPA and LTE] ... It is a phone designed for this transition since 4G level speeds are available with both LTE and the HSPA networks. And the Infuse can access them both. The Motorola Atrix as well ... I am not able to find documentation that is not proprietary. The information I have, since LTE is only in testing stages, is that LTE compatibility is not posted on the Specifications. The 4G speeds are currently being provided by an enhanced version of HSPA and HSPDA, and the phones are connectible. The 4G phones, such as designated the Atrix and the Infuse, will be able to access LTE once it becomes established via a software upgrade."
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the motorola xoom is lte upgradable so ther eis a posibility that the atrix is as well. this says nothing for the infuse. t-mo had the 4g flag on there hspa+ devices months ago and they cannot be upgraded to lte. it is a marketing game that started with sprint (wimax isnt all that fast compared to hspa which can run at 14.4mbps, hspa+ can run at 42mbps but att is only willing to supply 7.2 and 21mbps respectively http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/04/data-speed-showdown-sprint-4g-vs-t-mobile-hspa/) 4g just means that it is faster than 3g was, infact wimax is barely comperable to 3g with hspa on many gsm networks. the 4g flag offers no garentee that it will support lte on any carrieer other than verizon. att reps often speculate and talk out of there assses, many times the information comes from customers and not corperate.

The infuse supports the highest speed of lte and hspa that ATT has out now and it will support the fastest they have by the end of 2011. My ATT Rep (for work) told me so and has one herself.
Edit: btw, my att Rep, represents my entire district, highly doubt she would talk out of her ass, but I do agree that the ones u find in the stores r mostly untrained
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There' no way. If the Infuse were capable of LTE they would have advertised the hell out of that. Unfortunately reps aren't engineers and clearly don't understand the technology. Now the infuse may be capable of the fastest speeds, i.e. equal to whatever the LTE network is limited to, but it's not connecting using LTE.

i believe att will wait for the tmobile acquisition to finalize before releasing lte devices so they can use as many bands and cell towers as possible, easing network load issues and increasing coverage speed and reliablility.

nstong said:
There' no way. If the Infuse were capable of LTE they would have advertised the hell out of that. Unfortunately reps aren't engineers and clearly don't understand the technology. Now the infuse may be capable of the fastest speeds, i.e. equal to whatever the LTE network is limited to, but it's not connecting using LTE.
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Most of the population would raise a brow if u even mentioned the terms HSPA or LTE. They didn't advertise it because spending that much money to advertise a feature that only 5% (guesstimate) of the population knows about isn't the brightest idea.

invizo said:
Most of the population would raise a brow if u even mentioned the terms HSPA or LTE. They didn't advertise it because spending that much money to advertise a feature that only 5% (guesstimate) of the population knows about isn't the brightest idea.
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Verizon built an entire ad campaign around LTE
http://androidcommunity.com/verizon...-its-the-most-advanced-4g-available-20101122/
And I can't seem to find the ad with the kid in the store, but they definitely push the fact that it's 4G LTE upgradeable. If ATT could, they would.

nstong said:
There' no way. If the Infuse were capable of LTE they would have advertised the hell out of that. Unfortunately reps aren't engineers and clearly don't understand the technology. Now the infuse may be capable of the fastest speeds, i.e. equal to whatever the LTE network is limited to, but it's not connecting using LTE.
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Agreed...
As you point out in your next post, carriers do not shy away from using technical terminology in their advertising. Further, even if this were the case, one would expect LTE connectivity to at least be listed on the spec sheet. Not only is it NOT there, but it was not on the sheet I saw back when this thing went to the FCC. I'm not a lawyer, but assuming what was posted was what the FCC was looking at, I believe AT&T would be in violation of the law if this thing supported LTE.

DING DING DING!
We have a winner!
HSPA+ and LTE are NOT the same thing and the radio bands have little to nothing to do with which tech is used. Remember when AT&T had their last Mea Culpa moment and enabled 3G on the 850 MHz band? (Because it penetrates buildings better)
If the Infuse *is* capable of LTE, that's news to everyone. It would be on Samsung's Spec sheet. The manufacturer would want to announce ANYTHING that it's capable of.

nolsen311 said:
DING DING DING!
We have a winner!
HSPA+ and LTE are NOT the same thing and the radio bands have little to nothing to do with which tech is used.
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I'm from the SGS2 forum and we're having this debate too. A leak of the new 2.3.4 ROM that's supposed to be released at the end of the month has APN's for AT&T's LTE network along with PNGs of their unique LTE logos. So whatever version of the SGS2 AT&Ts releasing, it will run the same ROM as the international version. So, based on what you said about the "tech," what do you think what I just shared means? Is adding the 700mhz frequency to an existing radio all that's necessary to access LTE? Could the existing radios already support the frequency but have it disabled? No one really has a lot of info on LTE so it's kind of a mystery.
Here's an interesting article...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388526,00.asp