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I know a lot of people are using quadrant to get an idea of system performance, and I did some playing the other day so I wanted to discuss what I noticed.
On monday I went into the verizon store to use my upgrade to get a new phone. Coming from the droid incredible, I was going to stay with HTC as I love sense and I love HTC phones.
so i started installing quadrant on all the phones I was interested in, the Dinc2, thunderbolt, and charge. This store also sells att phones as well, so i installed quadrant on the HTC desire and the sansung infuse.
the HTC phones all scored almost 2x as high as the samsung phones. the thunderbolt hit 1980 or some craziness, while the DCharge and the Dinfuse got about 950.
so initially i thought "wow those are slow im getting an HTC"
but then i WATCHED the quadrant run on the phones.
when pressing start at the same time on the HTC thunderbolt and the Charge, the Thunderbolt got into the graphical part of the test about 2 seconds faster. however, when you watch the framerates on the renderings, the charge is easily 2x faster. during the "walk down the hallway" part the thunderbolt was getting 15-17fps while the charge was getting 30-40, during the "dna" rendering, the thunderbolt was again about 12-15 while the samsung was in the 30s.
so.. what did that mean? I wanted to find out. I installed several live wall papers on each phone, and yup... the samsung was able to run the live wallpapers without bogging down the UI, the same live wallpaper on the thunderbolt cause sense to skip a little when switching screens.
however, i noticed that when the samsung is downloading and installing apps, it starts to become pretty laggy until the install is over.
Overall thoughts:
i think quadrant is ONLY measuring the CPU power of the device. The thundebolt seems to have better processing ability when it comes to CPU intensive tasks, like installing programs or unzipping files, but it seems to severely lack behind in GPU rendering. While the Samsung is lagging behind in the CPU department and doing very well on the GPU end.
All in all i would say that the difference between processing power is less drastic between the 2 than the GPU performance between the 2.
I hope this helps some of you out there when trying to interpret Quadrant scores and what they actually mean.
Even with a quadrant score of nearly double the droid charge, it still struggles to run a simple live wallpaper as easily as the charge can.
The Thunderbolt and other HTC phones use the Snapdragon processor, which is a great CPU, but not so great GPU, hence the bad frame rates. The reason that the Samsung phones bog down when installing stuff is more from the fact that Samsung created a proprietary file system based on FAT to use for everything, and the IO performance isn't so great. Voodoo Lagfix can really speed up the IO of the phone, reducing the lag you see and also bringing the Quadrant numbers up closer to that of the Thunderbolt, etc. I'm getting 1700-1800 in Quadrant on my Charge, not that the scores mean anything.
imnuts said:
The Thunderbolt and other HTC phones use the Snapdragon processor, which is a great CPU, but not so great GPU, hence the bad frame rates. The reason that the Samsung phones bog down when installing stuff is more from the fact that Samsung created a proprietary file system based on FAT to use for everything, and the IO performance isn't so great. Voodoo Lagfix can really speed up the IO of the phone, reducing the lag you see and also bringing the Quadrant numbers up closer to that of the Thunderbolt, etc. I'm getting 1700-1800 in Quadrant on my Charge, not that the scores mean anything.
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that's interesting, I had been reading about the voodoolagfix but wasn't entirely sure what was going on with that.
What we need is a phone with HTCs processor and Samsungs GPU lol.
So what causes Iphone to be soo incredible smooth? I hate apple, but i have to admit that their UI is incredible smooth and damn near flawless on screen transitions and GPU rendering. It seems like almost all android phones are more powerful hardware wise, yet even the smoothest UIs out there still stutter compared to Apples UI
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... What we need is a phone with HTCs processor and Samsungs GPU lol ...
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I think when they release that chipset, they should call it "Tegra2".
msticlaru said:
that's interesting, I had been reading about the voodoolagfix but wasn't entirely sure what was going on with that.
What we need is a phone with HTCs processor and Samsungs GPU lol.
So what causes Iphone to be soo incredible smooth? I hate apple, but i have to admit that their UI is incredible smooth and damn near flawless on screen transitions and GPU rendering. It seems like almost all android phones are more powerful hardware wise, yet even the smoothest UIs out there still stutter compared to Apples UI
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Probably like you noted during the Quadrant tests, Apple's GUI takes full/more advantage of the GPU since they control both the hardware and software. There aren't multiple chipsets out there to cater, so all the programming efforts can be concentrated to just one setup.
IIRC, that's the job of Android GB/ICS. The base OS is there, now little tweaks need to be made to optimize for the various hardware. Well get there soon enough, I hope.
Hello everyone, by chance i got both the mobiles with me for a month
[i9003] and [i9000] galaxy S.
Comparison:
1. The screen of i9000 is better than i9003, but i9003 is more like true colours.
I9000 got a yellowish tinge on the screen,which is not that good !
2. Camera of i9003 is better than i9000, really.
3. Processing of i9003 is much faster than i9000.
4. Graphics of i9000 is better.
5. Battery life of i9003 is slightly better than i9000
6. Sound quality of i9003 and i9000 is similar, tested with several headphones on both, couldn't make out any difference.
NOTE: i9003 had xxkb3 firmware and i9000 had gingerbread latest 2.3.4(xxjvp)
IF ANY MORE DOUBTS, PLEASE ASK SOON AS I JUST HAVE IT FOR SOME MORE TIME !!
Wow.
I'd never thought the i9003 would win on so many aspects! I don't mean to insult you, but I wanted to ask several questions to clarify this matter (signed up as a noob just to post in this thread )
- Are the two devices fair to compare? (In terms of age, OS version, apps installed and running in background, etc.)
- What are the symptoms that made you decide that i9003 has better processing power?
- When you said that the i9003 has better camera, what aspects did you mean? And is there any noticable difference in the time they take to shoot and save a picture?
- Have you compared the loudspeaker and the earpiece (instead of using an earphone)? What are the results?
I'm sorry for the many questions. I am very excited about this topic. Many thanks to you
tanmayrocks said:
Hello everyone, by chance i got both the mobiles with me for a month
1. The screen of i9000 is better than i9003, but i9003 is more like true colours.
I9000 got a yellowish tinge on the screen,which is not that good !
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This sounds strange: If screen is better then it is better. BTW the different is not only in colors, but also in:
1. SAMOLED uses more power in white screen than SLCD (SLCD uses more power in black screen)
2. SLCD has better sharpness because of different structures of pixels
Look at these pictures (SAMOLED is in the left side)
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php.../phone/gsmarena_006.jpg&idReview=562&idPage=2
Hello all I have both handset but sl used by me and galaxy s is by my brother.
What I have notice that:
1. Lcd is produce more nature color picture (but black not that nature compare to sgs)but somehow amoled is overall winner. But in my opinion I like my Slcd.
2. battery of sl is better, you can get 1 or 2 hour.
3. Rest both handset Are same but sgs beat Sl in huge in graphic department. It has more capable gpu.
4. One thing I don't like about my sl is it unable to play unconverted 720 mkv available on net. Where my sgs play them smoothly with native player.
5. One more thing make huge difference is custom rom and developer support in community.
In the end Sgs is overall winner.
I consider sgsl good buy due to its price in india but unability to play hd mkv smoothly is make me anger on such a Great device.
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- Are the two devices fair to compare? (In terms of age, OS version, apps installed and running in background, etc.)
- What are the symptoms that made you decide that i9003 has better processing power?
- When you said that the i9003 has better camera, what aspects did you mean? And is there any noticable difference in the time they take to shoot and save a picture?
- Have you compared the loudspeaker and the earpiece (instead of using an earphone)? What are the results?
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1. Yes, the two devices are fare to compare, as they have similar hardware, with only minute differences and there are a lot of people out there waiting for a practical comparision of two.
(i9000 has an edge running latest gingerbread that also 2.3.4, but i9003 will also get that soon)
2. Processing Power: opening the gallery, i9000 takes more time, i9000 still lags at many places(though i think that can be fixed) and in some more places i could feel practically.
3. i9003 better camera: it does click quickly, but the main comparison in quality is because of the tinge that i9000 has cause of amoled, the pictures on i9003 are far better, comparing with same settings(side by side), i still got to compare them putting on laptop.
4. i compared the sound quality via headphones only, asi dont have digital equips for that, but i could't find any difference.
Fail on so many behalfs, its amazing how many people will read something and believe it.
Both processors are clocked @ 1GHz, although the hummingbird comes out on top as the best single core processor, do your research.
We have bluetooth 3.0, i9003 has 2.0
Graphics processor we have the SGX540 and the i9003 has the SGX530.
Super AMOLED/+ screens are beautiful to look at, can't get much better really.
Simple, there's a reason why the i9003 is cheaper.
Also, the better battery life on the i9003 is due the the battery being 1650mAh and the i9000 being 1500mAh
JOKE -.- No offense though! I have seen SL in action..my close friend has it but haha declaring SGSL winner over SGS JOKE!
tanmayrocks said:
1. Yes, the two devices are fare to compare, as they have similar hardware, with only minute differences and there are a lot of people out there waiting for a practical comparision of two.
(i9000 has an edge running latest gingerbread that also 2.3.4, but i9003 will also get that soon)
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I am one of those people
AFAIK, hummingbird is claimed to perform 10-20% better than OMAP (both @ 1GHz), which is why I'm surprised at your results
2. Processing Power: opening the gallery, i9000 takes more time, i9000 still lags at many places(though i think that can be fixed) and in some more places i could feel practically.
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Opening the gallery can be affected by numerous factors such as the number of pictures, the number of folders, etc.
At what places exactly does the i9003 lags? I'm most interested in the UI (will most probably use Go Launcher EX, if that helps)
3. i9003 better camera: it does click quickly, but the main comparison in quality is because of the tinge that i9000 has cause of amoled, the pictures on i9003 are far better, comparing with same settings(side by side), i still got to compare them putting on laptop.
4. i compared the sound quality via headphones only, asi dont have digital equips for that, but i could't find any difference.
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OK, thank you very much for your help
I'm still keeping my eye on this thread
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Also, the better battery life on the i9003 is due the the battery being 1650mAh and the i9000 being 1500mAh
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However, the supposedly more consuming SLCD puts the question back in... and now it's answered!
adhikarb said:
JOKE -.- No offense though! I have seen SL in action..my close friend has it but haha declaring SGSL winner over SGS JOKE!
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What, specifically, makes you believe so strongly?
I think it's better to be specific here because people's needs vary. I, for one, don't really care about gaming performance, save for the occasional bird-hurling , which doesn't really use much GPU as much as it uses the CPU (to calculate the physics and all).
Thanks before
seriously i never said i9003 is better than i9000.. both have their pros and cons...it was just a comparision and i never said i9000 was inferior or anything.
(Left pic:i9000, right:i9003
though i dont know if this proves the thing, i was talking more practically rather than specifically)
bprabawabr said:
I am one of those people
AFAIK, hummingbird is claimed to perform 10-20% better than OMAP (both @ 1GHz), which is why I'm surprised at your results
Opening the gallery can be affected by numerous factors such as the number of pictures, the number of folders, etc.
At what places exactly does the i9003 lags? I'm most interested in the UI (will most probably use Go Launcher EX, if that helps)
OK, thank you very much for your help
I'm still keeping my eye on this thread
However, the supposedly more consuming SLCD puts the question back in... and now it's answered!
What, specifically, makes you believe so strongly?
I think it's better to be specific here because people's needs vary. I, for one, don't really care about gaming performance, save for the occasional bird-hurling , which doesn't really use much GPU as much as it uses the CPU (to calculate the physics and all).
Thanks before
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First of all..it lagged pretty badly while multi-tasking....
Secondly..admit it..SAMOLED just looks SOO better after the VOODOO color fix! (w/o it too!).
Third point Gaming performance and Hummingbird chip=win!
Fourth point XDA Support! We are a family of more than 10 million!!
Pros of SGSl
1. Cheaper! (Big factor of our market (INDIA))
2. Comparable to its big bro i9000 but NOT its replacement
3. Upgradeable to 2.3 like i9000(I hope so..have u guys got GB yet? )
PaulForde said:
Fail on so many behalfs, its amazing how many people will read something and believe it.
Both processors are clocked @ 1GHz, although the hummingbird comes out on top as the best single core processor, do your research.
We have bluetooth 3.0, i9003 has 2.0
Graphics processor we have the SGX540 and the i9003 has the SGX530.
Super AMOLED/+ screens are beautiful to look at, can't get much better really.
Simple, there's a reason why the i9003 is cheaper.
Also, the better battery life on the i9003 is due the the battery being 1650mAh and the i9000 being 1500mAh
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Dude shudnt u be the one doin the research???sgsl has bt 3.0. Just google abt the cpu and u will get to kno which one is better.samoled vs slcd is a matter of personal choice.i m quite sure u hav never seen a sgsl display thats why u r so arrogant in ur remark.cause ppl who has seen both tend to go for the slcd due to usablity issues.excpt for the gpu part sgs is by no means better than sgsl.then again whats the use of such gpu when i m playin all the hd games currently available flawlessly.u may like ur sgs.but that doesnt allow u to flaunt around tryin to disrespect other peoples opinion. the sgs that r available currently are refurbished ones.so ppl who r plannin to go for sgsl,do it.u wont regret,unless u want an awesome gpu without any practical use.
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tanmayrocks said:
seriously i never said i9003 is better than i9000.. both have their pros and cons...it was just a comparision and i never said i9000 was inferior or anything.
(Left pic:i9000, right:i9003
though i dont know if this proves the thing, i was talking more practically rather than specifically)
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Nah, that would be my post they're referring to. Maybe.
Not that I made such general and conclusive statement
adhikarb said:
First of all..it lagged pretty badly while multi-tasking....
Secondly..admit it..SAMOLED just looks SOO better after the VOODOO color fix! (w/o it too!).
Third point Gaming performance and Hummingbird chip=win!
Fourth point XDA Support! We are a family of more than 10 million!!
Pros of SGSl
1. Cheaper! (Big factor of our market (INDIA))
2. Comparable to its big bro i9000 but NOT its replacement
3. Upgradeable to 2.3 like i9000(I hope so..have u guys got GB yet? )
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Hmm.. I can live with subpar screen, also without outstanding gaming capabilities..
The XDA support is something I will *someday* miss, I suppose. I've always wanted to know what Cyanogen is all about
However, between i9000 and i9003, I can't choose i9000, as it's gone extinct here in Indonesia. I was merely using i9000 as a benchmark for i9003's performance, but that's for my own personal purposes and needs
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Oh, where's my manners? Thanks again for ur input!
adhikarb said:
JOKE -.- No offense though! I have seen SL in action..my close friend has it but haha declaring SGSL winner over SGS JOKE!
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I support u on this.
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gpu without any practical use.
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U r right but gpu part goes to sgs. Day to day life hd mkv play important role to me. Yes our sgsl can play all available games with good framerate. But I dont think majority of people play graphic intensives games but most of people want atleat a device which can handle unconverted movies on their device. I have invest my 20k in sgsl and not happy with this news.
Otherwise this device Is great buy over sgs.
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Dude just check the two phones side by side and look at the display and it will be easier to decide ;-)
This is so funny.ppl keep braggin abt gamin performance of sgs.seriously dude,just check youtube and see how asphalt 6 runs on sgsl.lol.games are made in a way so that they can run on majority of the devices.they arent sgs or power vr540 exclusive.and its not computer games we are talkin abt here.like i said awesome gpu with no practical use.
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Dude the movie playback issue is due to driver issue.not hardware.just hav patience and wait.sumthin will turn up.then agn it takes only 5 or 6 min extra for kies to convert the files without any loss of quality at all.so dont be so unhappy for that extra 5mins man.
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lol my milestone is better than sgs ...my milestone can be oc upto 1.2ghz and it has a cpu of just 600 mhz and gaming is much better on 480*854 resolution and i have got good battery life in 1400 mhz and both sgsl and milestone having ARM Cortex A8 processor, PowerVR SGX530 and the only diff. is the frequency of cpu
SGS has the better support developer wise. Cyanogen mod etc. end of story.
no app in the android market is gonna take advantage of the Power VR540 gpu.
OMAP is a better processor than hummingbird for heaven's sake, just because of its extensive overclocking capabilities! however on the SGSL, since OMAP cannot be overclocked i guess i'll have to give it to hummingbird.
AMOLED is awesome. period.
battery consumption on SGS is lower, due to AMOLED. hence the 1500mah battery. SGSL sucks battery life wise. SLCD is a battery hog.
conclusion? in the current scheme of things, going for SGSL makes more sense, economically, and maybe one can upgrade to SGS II next year.
I was able to compare the two displays side by side and I must say that while samoled has better contrast and awesome blacks, slcd is sharper. I personally prefer sharpness to deeper black.
Besides, I'll never buy a samoled device because samoled burns so easly... in less than a year you'll have a permanent system bar on the top of the display, and this sucks if you spent 500€.
i don't see why would you put this in the development topic
closed?
I have viewed a loot of benchmarks [ antutu, quadrant, neocore, an3dbenchxl..etc]
And all of those benchmarks the sensation scores are low...
Lower than LGo2X, and similar to a O/C DesireHD...
Is that Normal? THis QSD 8260 it's suposed to be a beast, and the same with the adreno 220... but i can't se the beast.... ( maybe need optimization? )
Ideas?
Idk but its kind of bothering me. I bought this phone on day one thinking it would have the speed of the g2x without the hardware problems, but I really think Sense 3.0 is hindering the performance. Can't wait to get a Rom on here to speed things up :/
On WiFi I can only get 10k down, and 2k up. Lame.
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mpow57 said:
Idk but its kind of bothering me. I bought this phone on day one thinking it would have the speed of the g2x without the hardware problems, but I really think Sense 3.0 is hindering the performance. Can't wait to get a Rom on here to speed things up :/
On WiFi I can only get 10k down, and 2k up. Lame.
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well to me, Sense is working bad... isn't fluid and now i'm with GO Launcher EX wich is more fast and fluid than sense....
Ah, with some games, sometimes lags, and i think it's sense.
we need to wait right now.
sense it only a small part of the problem...
2.3.3 isnt really optomized for our hardware, not to mention that almost ALL benchmark software doesnt fully support our SoC chipset
when we get S-OFF and clean/scrubbed roms, we will be pulling real capabilities from benchmark software, especially with 2.3.4 and 2.4 when available
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sense it only a small part of the problem...
2.3.3 isnt really optomized for our hardware, not to mention that almost ALL benchmark software doesnt fully support our SoC chipset
when we get S-OFF and clean/scrubbed roms, we will be pulling real capabilities from benchmark software, especially with 2.3.4 and 2.4 when available
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i hope that so....
How about overheatings, and extremly battery drainages? this will be improved to?
I think, adreno220 is more powerfull and newer than Mali400M, and QSD8260 par with Exynos.
So i think, when this phone becomes S-OFF and gets better roms, will beat, or close to the SGSII.
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I think, adreno220 is more powerfull and newer than Mali400M, and QSD8260 par with Exynos.
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this is quite true, but the QSD8260 has a couple more features than the exynos, not to mention single core voltage optimization, where as the SGS2 runs both cores at single voltage...
as for the overheating, at first it will irk you, but it never gets too hot, and considering the hardware in this thing, and its thickness, its to be expected
and as for the battery drain, you can thank the carriers for that bull****, after running temp root and disabling a whole whack of useless apps, i have around 250mb ram constantly, and i got roughly 6-8 extra hrs of battery life
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this is quite true, but the QSD8260 has a couple more features than the exynos, not to mention single core voltage optimization, where as the SGS2 runs both cores at single voltage...
as for the overheating, at first it will irk you, but it never gets too hot, and considering the hardware in this thing, and its thickness, its to be expected
and as for the battery drain, you can thank the carriers for that bull****, after running temp root and disabling a whole whack of useless apps, i have around 250mb ram constantly, and i got roughly 6-8 extra hrs of battery life
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That is true, the QSD8260 have that feature ( and other new features ), it's good! but Galaxy SII doesnt overheat like sensation.
Maybe my rom from vodafone is fulll of **** ( Sense 3.0 isn't fluid on mine... and is **** compared to another alternative launcher for now... )
About temporal root, is a ****!! we need a full root.
I'm working on HTCCamera.apk ( in part thanks to potato, helped me with indications )
TO get better and decent image/video quality, when the phone becomes full rooted, surely i will release it, and i hope will work very well, but i can't test it because i don't have root.
i agree full root is NECESSARY for anything to be done on this fone, fre3vo reminds me the the HEN hacks for psp back in the day
as for teh htccamer.apk, good on ya! there are some issues with it, my biggest being focus on really close ups
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That is true, the QSD8260 have that feature ( and other new features ), it's good! but Galaxy SII doesnt overheat like sensation.
Maybe my rom from vodafone is fulll of **** ( Sense 3.0 isn't fluid on mine... and is **** compared to another alternative launcher for now... )
About temporal root, is a ****!! we need a full root.
I'm working on HTCCamera.apk ( in part thanks to potato, helped me with indications )
TO get better and decent image/video quality, when the phone becomes full rooted, surely i will release it, and i hope will work very well, but i can't test it because i don't have root.
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Temp root is just a step on the way to full root, it's not like the devs got it temp rooted and said "well ****, I'm glad we got that done, let's move on to the next phone!" I'm sure they put in a lot of hours just to get this far already and are putting in a lot more to get full root, so saying that temp root is **** is pretty ****ed up and disrespectful to all the devs that are working hard to give YOU and all the other ungrateful bastards full root.
Sorry for going off a little there, just frustrating to see people act like nothing is being done and belittling big accomplishments on the path to the final goal.
i agree, its more of a PoC/dev tool than something for average users to use, epecially for setting up androidSDK
superoneclick is nice, but you dont learn anything about how/why its working, and if you dont want to know that stuff, why would you need root in the first place?
6-8 hours battery? wow. I go from 7 am till 7 pm and have 30ish% left almost every day. I came from an EVO 4g which required battery changes twice a day sometimes. i had batteries charging everywhere. I expected the same or worse from the sensation but am proud to be wrong. I have 4 extra batteries for this and an extra charger at home and work, only needed to swap a couple of times in over a month. I wasted money on sensation batteries.. Strange how some have so many battery troubles with this phone and i have had great results with 2 sensations. 250% better than my EVO 4g. After root and custom kernels and roms i may get 2 days use out of this bad boy.. Just hope they can get the other issues straightened out (touch screen issues, which is actually working great right now) so i can really enjoy this thing!
Benchmarks are over rated and not on mobile phone and very inconsistent,my evo 3d and sentation scores the same on quadrant my highest score on shi**y qaudrant is 2450. If I totally relied on benches is wait and get a SG2, but I don't. Like others have said sense 3.0 weights heavily on CPU. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Touchwiz is a very light ui compared to sense. I'm happy with it in real world use.
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@nugzo
i get 6-8hrs more on top of my regular 8-10 hrs, but mind you i use A LOT of data on my phone, and always listening to music...
so realistically, i could get much more out of it, but considering i had the same issue with my HD2 that you had with your EVO, its a world of difference
EDIT: also, nugzo, apparently the latest OTA fixes the touchscreen and GPS problems, if they do happen to you...
Sensation - 'poor' performance
The MAIN reason why the HTC Sensation has lower benchmark scores than other phones in this class is that it has to push 33% more pixels ! It`s screen has a 960x540 resolution; the GS2 for example only pushes 800x480 pixels !
@razvan
another excellent point, i keep forgetting that, qHD is now "normal" for me that it slips my mind
they are low cuz its slow...
mpow57 said:
Idk but its kind of bothering me. I bought this phone on day one thinking it would have the speed of the g2x without the hardware problems, but I really think Sense 3.0 is hindering the performance. Can't wait to get a Rom on here to speed things up :/
On WiFi I can only get 10k down, and 2k up. Lame.
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the funny thing is I kept reading that the quadrant and benchmark apps were not optimized for the sensation. How you have to factor in pixel compression and other things to explain the low scores. After having the phone for almost two weeks, and playing with the Evo 3D - the phone is average to slow (for my expectation) for a dual core device. The scores are consistently low for a reason.
The benchmark apps might not be "optimized" but gx2, gs2 and evo 3d users testify to the speed of their devices. I have seen it up close too. Lag AND my phone crashed last night, unexpectedly, and the tell htc prompt came up. what the hell??
I am keeping the phone, but I am not an apologist. The sensation is lacking (to me) and I should not have to wait for root for me to feel like my phone competes with other phones in its class - speed wise.
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@razvan
another excellent point, i keep forgetting that, qHD is now "normal" for me that it slips my mind
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I see that you are with wind. I am planning to switch to wind when my contract expires i august. just want to know how the signal is with wind mobile compared to rogers?
Sensation only uses one core for the current benchmarks while the other run apps in the background. Use cf-bench for real duel core benchmark.
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tomeu0000 said:
i hope that so....
How about overheatings, and extremly battery drainages? this will be improved to?
I think, adreno220 is more powerfull and newer than Mali400M, and QSD8260 par with Exynos.
So i think, when this phone becomes S-OFF and gets better roms, will beat, or close to the SGSII.
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I have both the SGS2 and HTC Sensation.
One thing I know is that the CPU on the SGS2 is alot better than the QSD8260. The reason is due to different architecture Cortex A8 vs Cortex A9. Also my evidence is from Smartbenchmark2011. SGS2 scores around 3.8k and the Sensation around 2.5k which isn't bad and the screen QHD doesn't lower the benchmark for CPU.
I don't how you guys got Adreno 220 to better than Mali 400MP ?
SGX543MP4 > SGX543MP2 & Mali 400MP > Tegra & Adreno 220 & SGX540 (Although Tegra maybe abit better than both)
The reason why Adreno 220 is on per with Tegra is quadrant 2D and 3D benchmarks. The framerate on the Atrix 4G and the Sensation is about equal and they both use qHD. Which in theory means that the LG Optimus 2X framerate can be said as equal to an Adreno 220 at 800x480 resolution.
Although on Smartbenchmark2011 the Atrix scores alot higher GPU than the Adreno 220.
All these are based on my phone benchmark scores as well as other people posted on youtube to backup.
so nobody with a s-off sensation has loaded a rom on it yet and run a benchmark?
Hi, I'm considering buying the HTC One Mini. The main thing keeping me from jumping on it that it only has 1GB of memory and the lack of optical image stabilization (my phone is my only camera). The regular HTC One would be perfect if it wasn't so big. I've been using an iPhone 3GS for the past year and a half after my Motorola Atrix 4G broke so I can't wait to upgrade. I've had nothing but problems with my iPhone. Anywho:
1) How does the One Mini's camera compare to the One's? Does the lack of optical image stabilization noticeably impact picture quality?
2) Do you find loading and switching between apps slower on the One Mini compared to flagship devices with 2GB of memory like the One and the S4? How would you compare their real world performance?
3) How is the audio compared to the One? I've heard it's still good, just less loud and a little less clear, but I want to know what you guys think.
4) Does your One Mini get hot? If so, under what conditions?
5) How is the battery life?
6) Do you know of any other smaller mid to high range phones for AT&T? I'd be okay with waiting a month or two if there's a good upcoming phone.
Thanks!
1) How does the One Mini's camera compare to the One's? Does the lack of optical image stabilization noticeably impact picture quality?
to be truthfull im sastified with the picture qaulity on my HTC ONE mini check out the included fotos as for the OIS not really sure but havent had any problems with blurred fotos or night shots.
2) Do you find loading and switching between apps slower on the One Mini compared to flagship devices with 2GB of memory like the One and the S4? How would you compare their real world performance?
im sastified with the performance of The HTC one mini of course there is a slight lag ouput when opening apps but its not really noticeable 1sec tops and if rooted the performance is dmn good for a Dual core Smartphone.
3) How is the audio compared to the One? I've heard it's still good, just less loud and a little less clear, but I want to know what you guys think.
Audio is good dont have any comparisons to the Htc one but Ditched my Xperia z for this phone and the overall qaulity is ten times better havent looked back ever since.
4) Does your One Mini get hot? If so, under what conditions?
when using daily it hardly gets warm when using under normal conditions surfing, email etc only when playing graphic intense games does it get allittle warm but with a case not noticable at all.
Ecstacy42 said:
Hi, I'm considering buying the HTC One Mini. The main thing keeping me from jumping on it that it only has 1GB of memory and the lack of optical image stabilization (my phone is my only camera). The regular HTC One would be perfect if it wasn't so big. I've been using an iPhone 3GS for the past year and a half after my Motorola Atrix 4G broke so I can't wait to upgrade. I've had nothing but problems with my iPhone. Anywho:
1) How does the One Mini's camera compare to the One's? Does the lack of optical image stabilization noticeably impact picture quality?
2) Do you find loading and switching between apps slower on the One Mini compared to flagship devices with 2GB of memory like the One and the S4? How would you compare their real world performance?
3) How is the audio compared to the One? I've heard it's still good, just less loud and a little less clear, but I want to know what you guys think.
4) Does your One Mini get hot? If so, under what conditions?
Thanks!
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1. The camera quality is still ok in my opinion but im not somebody that uses the camera very often.
2. Its fast and very smooth no complains here and you only need the more memory and better cpu if you play games otherwise i dont think you will see a big difference.
3. Have to be honest here the speaker are very quiet but got a good quality, its better with headphones and not to quiet.
4. For example if you play gta 3 or vice city or any other game that needs performance it will get hot but from my experience its not too bad especially if you hold it horizontal while playing.
Another fact that i should tell you is that the phone does not get hot or warm if you load it, it seems like the case does a good job with cooling it down.
anyway if you have any further questions about the phone just let me know.
Thanks for the responses.
Two more question if you wouldn't mind: How is the battery life and do you know of any other smaller mid to high range phones for AT&T? I'd be okay with waiting a month or two if there's a good upcoming phone.
Ecstacy42 said:
Thanks for the responses.
Two more question if you wouldn't mind: How is the battery life and do you know of any other smaller mid to high range phones for AT&T? I'd be okay with waiting a month or two if there's a good upcoming phone.
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battery life suxx on every single smartphone thats my opinion.... if you play games or watch videos your power will melt away pretty fast...
after one day it had 50% with mobil data on and normal use, if you use it a lot you have to charge every day.
So I have read and watched a lot about the i3 5.5, probably too much. In short it's a great in almost all aspects, save from
the performance, rendering it laggy/slow/choppy at times. Is it really that bad, or is it exaggerated, or perhaps downplayed?
I'm interested in intel of day-to-day use and how the i3 5.5 handles the OS, browsing, video and gaming.
Hopefully it's more a software issue than a hardware issue, which would make sense. Hopefully the 5.1 update will be out
soon. Are the European i3 5.5's also getting the last updates, or is it only the U.S?
Hopefully these relatively small issues will be a thing of the past soon. I am planning on leaving my Z Ultra (qualcomm 800,
adreno 330) for this device and that says a lot I think of how much faith I have in it
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I have definitely experience lags here and there during day to day usage but haven't really found them annoying to the point where it is impossible to use the device.
Sure, the phone could have been fitted with a slightly more powerful GPU but overall the pros outweigh the cons. Only thing left is how commited Alcatel is with regards to software updates.
Power Users should definitely stay way. However, I have no qualms recommending this phone to anyone who is looking for big screen multimedia mobile device on a budget.
Thanks for your answer. A guy at Youtube said that after a couple of updates he received from Alcatel the phone performs much better, thus implying it is not a hardware issue, but a software one. He reported a perfectly lag free i3, with maybe once in a while a minor hiccup. Did you get any of those updates yet and if so, what is the difference in performance lag wise?
We have had only one update , that has resulted in a minor improvement in the UI response. Remember, the phone is still on 5.0.2 and that is responsible for the lag to a large extent. Plus - at the end of the day, its a 1.5 Ghz quad core with 2 GB RAM - The performance will be limited to whatever that means. If you are a power user , need a phone for an year or so, and are spending $250 for the Idol3 - you might want to see if you can score a OnePlus One 16GB for the same price. From a sheer performance perspective, it will come out ahead owing to a faster processor and more RAM . There are other drawbacks , that you should consider of course.
Thanks for your insight. The thing is that the i3 runs almost an all Vanilla Android, whereas other heavier skinned phones with the same cpu run perfectly fine, no hiccups either. Mind you, 33000 in Antutu is quite substantial and should be enough to run the i3 flawlessly. I guess you're on point by saying it's still on 5.0.2 and that is probably the main culprit. Hopefully Alcatel will tackle the issue soon, then they truly have a device they can be proud of for 100%, something the bigger brands and their "flagships" can learn from, imo. Did you see any improvement after the update?
My big issue was scroll lag that was in every browser, any page that had those menu overlays would stutter like a mofo. After the update it largely fixed it but still left stutter in ad laden pages. Once I installed Adguard my browsers became butter smooth. The Adreno 405 pushing 1080p res isn't doing well in 3D demanding games... if you need a phone for that get Zen2.
Thanks for the heads up. I just installed Adguard for the lulz on my old Samsung S3, quite nifty. I think the i3 will continue to impress and possibly get even better with coming updates.
Why on earth does your thread require I be in XDA 2015 theme to view it when none of the other threads do?
Good question. Probably because this thread is made of pure win
My guess is the idol using more of the 1ghz CPU to run a little cooler and save power, and when it is slow to switch to the 1.5ghz CPU is when we experience lag. Kind of like your using a 1ghz quad core phone. The idol has been proven to run cooler than its other 615 brothers, so it may be set to run on the slow CPU more.
It will definitely get better if they ever release 5.1.1. I'm not holding my breath.
I am already on the latest update, there is slight ( not sure if placebo ) improvement when scrolling web pages with mulitple images. Overall, I think it is fine unless you are power user.
Anymore input from users? What is your experience between before and after the update regarding to smoothness?
I found enabling gpu rendering for 2d made the phone run a lot smoother.
I was barely able to view this forum on it now I can scroll up and down and its buttery smooth (with the occasional hiccup here and there)
Changing default keyboard for Fleksy fixed all for me
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Funny, I love that keyboard. Fleksy all the way, looks really clean too!
Try clearing your cache and/or doing a factory reset. Worked for me after the update slowed me down a little
no more lag since 10 06 update, this phone is finally totally great
When was it released? Is there a changelog?
there was a changelog when i got it, it's about stagefright and stuff