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AT&T has just changed Unlimited Internet Usages terms, can I cancel without fees now?
At&t has changed their internet usage terms to include the banning of audio/video streaming and data tethering. This means Skype, Slingbox, and other video streaming services possibly youtube...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/03/...s-terms-of-service-to-forbid-video-streaming/
While I do like their coverage I find all these limiting factors extremely frustrating. I did not agree to these terms when i signed up, the only thing i agreed to was 5GB cap which I was not happy with either... I use skype a lot to call my family who live in Canada and enjoy the occasional slingbox stream but if i can't do these things anymore what the point of 3G, crappy web browing on a 2.8" screen? What I do with my bandwidth is my buisness as long as I don't break that cap i agreed to right?
Since they changed the terms of usage am I allowed cancel my service without early cancelation fees? If so I will be taking my buisness to T-Mobile and getting the new Touch Pro 2 when that comes out but until then I will be using a non 3G month to month payment plan
Tekka said:
At&t has changed their internet usage terms to include the banning of audio/video streaming and data tethering. This means Skype, Slingbox, and other video streaming services possibly youtube...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/03/...s-terms-of-service-to-forbid-video-streaming/
While I do like their coverage I find all these limiting factors extremely frustrating. I did not agree to these terms when i signed up, the only thing i agreed to was 5GB cap which I was not happy with either... I use skype a lot to call my family who live in Canada and enjoy the occasional slingbox stream but if i can't do these things anymore what the point of 3G, crappy web browing on a 2.8" screen? What I do with my bandwidth is my buisness as long as I don't break that cap i agreed to right?
Since they changed the terms of usage am I allowed cancel my service without early cancelation fees? If so I will be taking my buisness to T-Mobile and getting the new Touch Pro 2 when that comes out but until then I will be using a non 3G month to month payment plan
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Honestly, I believe a lot of TOS agreements are like this, no matter who the carrier is.
As long as you stay under the 5gb cap you should be fine. I think the reason they put this in there is because those are the things that use the most bandwidth.
You can always call their retentions department and tell them why you want to cancel and talk to them. I believe if they changed the TOS and the TOS was a part of your contract then they're voiding the contract, but I'm not sure about that since they're not changing rates on you.
Well I realized that there isn't really a way for them to track what i'm actually doing but I think this is just rediculous, ATT should really take out Unlimited wording in their advertising.
Another reason I want to cancel is month after month I have to deal with bills that absolutely make no sense, I was happy with T-mobile for over 4 years with no problems and the only reason I went back to ATT was because of the FUZE.
My area has a lot of competition for wireless contracts and that how I scored a free ATT Fuze, I bet with a little patience I can get a free Rhodium if I look hard enough...
ok when u meant unlimted internet usages are you talking bout the "personal PDA plan?" or the "tethering plan"??? cuz i got personal PDA plan on mine and i go on youtube through my fuze alot i dont see any changes whatsoever...plz someone tell me
Just a thought..... they are NOT going to enforce that because they have 3 services that they offer that include it... Cellular Video (CV), Mobi TV, and whatever the Mobi XM radio service is...
Just don't go over 5GB and if you do, chances are you can get out of it. If you get charged, PM me and I can tell you how to get out of that one.... ALSO, for those of you who don't know, a change in your TOS is a way to get out of your contract and cancel service without paying the cancellation fee... just a thought... Google it for specifics on what to say on the phone... their TOS has a loophole for you that will allow you out if they change something....
Read the latest news: http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/03/atandt-retracts-new-terms-of-service-apologizes/
At&T realized that this change in policy was absurd and have retracted the changes.
XERO_Racer said:
ok when u meant unlimted internet usages are you talking bout the "personal PDA plan?" or the "tethering plan"??? cuz i got personal PDA plan on mine and i go on youtube through my fuze alot i dont see any changes whatsoever...plz someone tell me
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You won't see any difference until you go over the 5 GB per month limit.
Well it doesn't really matter what plan your on since this pretty much affects all 3g wireless connections and the 5GB limit applies to everything including broadband usb connect thingy.
Nowadays it easy to stream large videos, like yesterday while i was waiting at the doctor's office i decided to watch a short 30 minute episode of "Better off Ted" and that easily went over 130mb. I never used more than 2GB a month but there are alot of people who use their phone's 3g much more than me so i imagine they get pretty close to that 5GB.
The way I see it is since they revised their TOS it will make it harder to argue your way out of a large bill.
DrzNight said:
Read the latest news: http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/03/atandt-retracts-new-terms-of-service-apologizes/
At&T realized that this change in policy was absurd and have retracted the changes.
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LOL WOW that came in only after a couple hours of the original announcement...I bet they were getting so many calls from bandwidth hungry iphone users lol...guess i gotta wait till Dec 2010 to cancel my contract now lol
Tekka said:
You won't see any difference until you go over the 5 GB per month limit.
Well it doesn't really matter what plan your on since this pretty much affects all 3g wireless connections and the 5GB limit applies to everything including broadband usb connect thingy.
Nowadays it easy to stream large videos, like yesterday while i was waiting at the doctor's office i decided to watch a short 30 minute episode of "Better off Ted" and that easily went over 130mb. I never used more than 2GB a month but there are alot of people who use their phone's 3g much more than me so i imagine they get pretty close to that 5GB.
The way I see it is since they revised their TOS it will make it harder to argue your way out of a large bill.
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seems like at&t has a problem now...but im always on MSN messenger, and surfing on opera, myspace, here, youtube at times etc....u think i might reach pass my limit by the time my billing cycle ends? i mean i wont be surfing 24/7 on it but ill be on msn messenger constantly oh and also i listen to the internet radio like 2-3 hours a day...i need ur advice thanks
UPDATE: ok soo i called in AT&T about this and well they only said its gonna against the Tethering and USB broadband services NOT the Unlimted PDA Personal plan that u can get for $30 a month, soo i guess its all good...for now
My friend just got out of his contract because they changed the TOS and he wanted the g1 (android) phone so he called them up told them he didn't agree and if they didn't let him go without the fee he would sue. They dropped him like a hot potato lol
Last mont I went way over 5GB tethering, torrenting and watching hulu all the time. No word from att yet. already paid my bill. No extra charges.
I have unlimited PDA personal+200 txts. No tethering. I reviewed on att website and as far as I understand that lingo, 5GB limit pertains only to PDA+tethering plan and to Dataconnect (for laptop cards).
See it yourself here: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/pda-personal-plans.jsp
Here is my data usage directly from my bill page:
Internet/MEdia Net
UNLIMITED
Used 11054.71MB of Unlimited
I got a text msg from T-mobile this morning informing me that MY tethering access has been blocked. They want me to pay $14.00 dollars more a month for me to use my data how i want to (I currently pay $140 for unlimited talk/text and 10gb of data.) To me, this is ridiculous. Is there a work around for this? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
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Are you on the stock ROM?
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I am on the latest CM7 Nightly.
try using one of these http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list you will have to try the different versions. I am using the latest version on CM7 and have no problems tethering. Now i do only have 5gb of data and most likely do not tether anywhere close to you do since you have the 10gb package. I have heard that if you are using the tethering under the network settings T-Mobile has away to find out. Now i am not sure if that is just with the stock rom or all roms. Give it a try you never know. All carriers charge for tethering not just T-Mobile or i think they do. So if you have to pay you have to pay.
How often do you tether, how long do you tether, and what are you doing when you tether?
interesting.. I tether daily for I'd say at least 2 hours total. hell I'm tethered right now. guess ill keep an eye out for that text.
Is your tethering actually being blocked?
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I tether constantly for hours at a time daily.
Ok, so this is really weird. I can tether without issue when using Crome, but when i try to surf out using firefox, im forced to t-mobile's tether page. So it seems to be browser specific. It just so happens that i do web chats using firefox while tethering.
How many gigabytes do you use per month?
About 10gb per.... Why?
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About 10gb per.... Why?
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Because "unlimited" isn't really unlimited. Although you say your plan allows 10GB per month, and you say you are using "about" 10GB, which is kinda vague?
For example, 10.1GB is not "about" 10GB if it's over your limit. To T-Mobile, 10.14GB can add an additional $14 per month
Mobile providers use words in the contract like "abuse", "unusual activity", and other such words. You don't seem to know exactly how much you are using per month, but it's a sure bet you are either going over 10GB or most probably you are tethering in a way that makes T-Mobile suspect unusual activity.
For example, most users use their mobile data bandwidth in spurts, but sustained data transfers gets T-Mobile's attention and can be labelled "unusual activity". It puts a load on T-Mobile's network. By contract, anything you do that affects T-Mobile's overall service will cause T-Mobile to take action.
If you are filesharing over tethering, that is sustained data activity and T-Mobile will know and penalize you for it.
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Because "unlimited" isn't really unlimited. Although you say your plan allows 10GB per month, and you say you are using "about" 10GB, which is kinda vague?
For example, 10.1GB is not "about" 10GB if it's over your limit. To T-Mobile, 10.14GB can add an additional $14 per month
Mobile providers use words in the contract like "abuse", "unusual activity", and other such words. You don't seem to know exactly how much you are using per month, but it's a sure bet you are either going over 10GB or most probably you are tethering in a way that makes T-Mobile suspect unusual activity.
For example, most users use their mobile data bandwidth in spurts, but sustained data transfers gets T-Mobile's attention and can be labelled "unusual activity". It puts a load on T-Mobile's network. By contract, anything you do that affects T-Mobile's overall service will cause T-Mobile to take action.
If you are filesharing over tethering, that is sustained data activity and T-Mobile will know and penalize you for it.
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Excellent response couldnt have said it better myself. Becareful with the "abuse" of the data, i have a buddy of mine that was FORCED to have a 2gb plan. Yet again he is on att lol
Along with the above statements, I did a bit of research before I started tethering on CM7.
Put simply, you can tether all you want as long as you don't go over the data cap. The only reason you've received that message is because you went over.
T-Mobile has no special way to tell you're tethering on the G2x. They can on the SGSII, Amaze, LG MyTouch series, and a few other of the newest phones that are programmed in the tethering code to use an entirely different APN similar to the way that iPhones do. The G2x, however, does nothing of the sort.
jamadio said:
Along with the above statements, I did a bit of research before I started tethering on CM7.
Put simply, you can tether all you want as long as you don't go over the data cap...
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Wrong.
Even if you are under the data cap if you show long sustained data activity such as filesharing, T-Mobile will penalize you for it.
JaiaV said:
T-Mobile has no special way to tell you're tethering on the G2x.
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Yes they can tell. Any child can tell if the connection is tethered simply by looking at the HTTP headers!
Tethering to a tablet
Ok. I just got a Toshiba thrive for Christmas. Is tethering to that seen any different? Just curious seeing as it's an Android device. I only Tether in spurts so I don't use a **** ton of data during(no file sharing). Thanks.
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Wrong.
Even if you are under the data cap if you show long sustained data activity such as filesharing, T-Mobile will penalize you for it.
Yes they can tell. Any child can tell if the connection is tethered simply by looking at the HTTP headers!
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The only way they can tell is by user agent string and that requires someone actually looking, which isn't usually being done...
I wireless tether to my laptop 4 hrs and sometime more everyday. I play games on facebook. I have a pre-paid 5 GB data, unlimited talk and txt for $70 a month and I have yet to be block since I changed to it. I did however get blocked when I was on a regular plan as I hit 2gb of the 5gb I had. I did the same amount of tethering then as I do know.
So why then and not now, I really couldn't tell you.
If you're using 10 gb a month, you're doing more than social browsing or facebook apps. Stop downloading the movies and music and you will see a difference. 10 gb? Really?
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So I just got t989 and I wanted to tether but now I'm forced to pay, I use to have sgs4g and tethering was free. So do I have to just root or install a custom ROM to avoid adding tethering option to my plan
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The only way they can tell is by user agent string and that requires someone actually looking, which isn't usually being done...
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Nope. Wrong.
Not just the user-agent string, but the entire HTTP headers. You can examine the packets also and learn a lot (is it a TCP or UDP? Is it FTP or HTTP?)
These things are done automatically by monitoring software.
Stop making **** up.
Coming from an iPhone 4s I could really use the tethering but fear AT&T will yank it from me. I'm not exactly a light user and use around 2.5-3GB of data a month. Now that I have a rooted SkyRocket I'd like to use it as a portable hospot and tether to my iPad. My iPad plugs right into my car stereo, whereas the SR does not. I want to stream pandora via my iPad running off my SR's hotspot. Its about a 20 minute ride to my school and I use about 10-15MB doing this.
So what I want to know is, will AT&T catch on? I don't plan on going crazy with the tethering because I know that's how your account can get flagged. I'd like to ge the opinions of others who are currently violating AT&T's Terms of Service lol.
My understanding is, they can detect it no matter what, and first they send a message, and then they kick you off it adding the 5GB ($50) plan.
I have been warned once and threatened once. They can and do know if you are tethering through packet inspection. There is no way around it. It's best to not do it because they will find out regardless and you WILL lose your unlimited plan. They will not give it back once its gone either.
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I have been warned once and threatened once. They can and do know if you are tethering through packet inspection. There is no way around it. It's best to not do it because they will find out regardless and you WILL lose your unlimited plan. They will not give it back once its gone either.
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That's what I figured. Then again, why do all these rom developers add the capability?
MattMJB0188 said:
That's what I figured. Then again, why do all these rom developers add the capability?
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Because some people don't care if they get warned.... You can always change a tiered plan back to normal, but not the unlimited plan.
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Coming from an iPhone 4s I could really use the tethering but fear AT&T will yank it from me. I'm not exactly a light user and use around 2.5-3GB of data a month. Now that I have a rooted SkyRocket I'd like to use it as a portable hospot and tether to my iPad. My iPad plugs right into my car stereo, whereas the SR does not. I want to stream pandora via my iPad running off my SR's hotspot. Its about a 20 minute ride to my school and I use about 10-15MB doing this.
So what I want to know is, will AT&T catch on? I don't plan on going crazy with the tethering because I know that's how your account can get flagged. I'd like to ge the opinions of others who are currently violating AT&T's Terms of Service lol.
My understanding is, they can detect it no matter what, and first they send a message, and then they kick you off it adding the 5GB ($50) plan.
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It's been about six months since I used tethering without official ATT plan.
I only used occasionally every week or so for about two years. They never found me nor charged me.
Interesting leak in the crippled tethering manager on GB captivate.
After letting it force close due to a bug, you can relaunch it and tether freely.
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I'd just recremend download the music you want to listen to onto your ipad instead of streaming it... nothing wrong with that?
I tether every now and then and never been caught/any warnings.. at mostly only tether when my friends need wifi or for my kindle fire which is rarely..
Juicy555 said:
I'd just recremend download the music you want to listen to onto your ipad instead of streaming it... nothing wrong with that?
I tether every now and then and never been caught/any warnings.. at mostly only tether when my friends need wifi or for my kindle fire which is rarely..
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I meant stream Pandora.
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I meant stream Pandora.
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I know, just download music on your ipad instead of streaming & the possibility of your unlimited data plan going
Its pretty ridiculous that we can't tether a small amount, yet someone who pays $20 more can tether 5GB.
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Its pretty ridiculous that we can't tether a small amount, yet someone who pays $20 more can tether 5GB.
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Its not that there concerned about us that would use little but for those who would try to run there entire home network on it. The real abusers are what screw it up for the rest of us. I have seen people with Data usage over 50gbs and those are the people who ruin it for everyone else.
I watch Netflix 5 days a week for about an hour or two. Stream Pandora 4-5 hours a day and I have hardly ever used over 5gbs.. the most was 7gbs.
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Its not that there concerned about us that would use little but for those who would try to run there entire home network on it. The real abusers are what screw it up for the rest of us. I have seen people with Data usage over 50gbs and those are the people who ruin it for everyone else.
I watch Netflix 5 days a week for about an hour or two. Stream Pandora 4-5 hours a day and I have hardly ever used over 5gbs.. the most was 7gbs.
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Panorama quality blows. I use Spotify on LOW bandwidth streaming, better than panora's high quality, and I hit 2gbs a month just from that. Netflix hits 200-300megs each movie.. So I'm not sure how you are getting these stats.
I'm at 4.8 gigs right now and half of that is Spotify.
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well I tether netflix from my phone to my tab every day taking the train back in forth to work. I recieved a text once from them saying I'm using to much data and they will so my bandwith down if i continue. I ignored it then a month later i was threatened again that they would automaticly upgrade me to the tethering pro plan if i did not upgrade. so now I was pissed I kept the texts and call att corprate office kept asking for the highest manager i could talk to and after talking to him and explaining that when you enter a agreament for unlimited data and i pay every month i should not be threatened for using the data i was paying for. After that call I have never been bothered again and its been over 6 months.
Who/ where did you call?
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I tether with mine on the unlimited plan. I don't use it TOO much, maybe a gig a month, but when I do it's an Iconia A500 Android tablet to do remote desktop and some Netflix now and again. Never been warned or threatened and I've been doing it since my 3GS days a few years back. I'm sure it won't last forever, but I'll enjoy it while it lasts
I have unlimited $10 data plan for non smart phones. When I got my skyrocket I used it with that "non-smart phone sim card" and it worked, I even disabled the carried detection and used tethering and worked flawlessly. I updated the phone to the first leaked ICS and continued to do the same without issues. When I updated it to the second leak last month, AT&T detected it as smart phone and changed the data plan to 3GB LTE for $30. I didn't root, disable the carrier detection or add anything special, just the "stock leak ICS"
I've been having the phone for almost 6 months. Any idea what could be the reason it was detected and how to prevent that?
I don't mind paying the $30 but I use my phone to stream video, games and so many things that 3GB or even 5GB won't be enough for me.
It's not too difficult for AT&T to detect when a device on a non-smartphone plan is using more than about 500KB of data per month.
Learn to ration
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I don't mind paying the $30 but I use my phone to stream video, games and so many things that 3GB or even 5GB won't be enough for me.
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And people wonder why they started capping unlimited plans.
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And people wonder why they started capping unlimited plans.
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many other carriers use unlimited data plan now..why would you need unlimited if you won't use it!! what's the point of having unlimited data plan if they don't want you to exceed 3GB or 5GB! it reminds me with home internet services when it started...sooner or later everyone will be on unlimited high speed data plans
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many other carriers use unlimited data plan now..why would you need unlimited if you won't use it!! what's the point of having unlimited data plan if they don't want you to exceed 3GB or 5GB! it reminds me with home internet services when it started...sooner or later everyone will be on unlimited high speed data plans
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Ya but the unlimited is for phone use not for tethering... What's the point of having smartphone unlimited if everyone is using it to tether and get internet for the whole house?? Also, do those other carriers allow tethering on their unlimited plans??
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many other carriers use unlimited data plan now..why would you need unlimited if you won't use it!! what's the point of having unlimited data plan if they don't want you to exceed 3GB or 5GB! it reminds me with home internet services when it started...sooner or later everyone will be on unlimited high speed data plans
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If they're not capping it, it's for one of two reasons.
1. The service is slow as balls, like T-Mobile's "unlimited" where you get 4G speeds for x-amount of data, and then unlimited access at the speed of molasses.
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2. You're paying an arm and a leg for data.
I read other threads where people on LTE plans were getting Throttled and I know the solution is just changing the Apn to a Hsdpa Apn instead of LTE, but I'm not sure how to beat this one. You might try this solution but you are still going to use the 3gbs just a little slower. And for the record(To the people who feel it's right to pay twice or even 3x for internet when intending to tether,lmao)we get robbed enough by these corporations like AT&T & Verizon so if you can beat them at their own games then more power to you my friend. Just keep looking for the answer. There may be a way Good luck
Edit** I just figured out that a skyrocket is s galaxy s2(lol). Now your thread is much more amazing to me. How the hell were you on a $10 unlimited internet plan with a higher-end android? I thought the other phones used wap browsing & connected to apn that way?? Good job. Maybe you could pm me the apn config.
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Its not a matter of IF but WHEN... they run serial number sweeps an put any smartphone on correct plan. You disable carrier check, an they look at abnormal use on certain data plans.... Randal Stevenson said a few weeks ago in an interview that when consumers use too much bandwidth, he has to invest capitol into rebuilding the network. The more money the company spends, the more eager they will be to look for means to make it back i.e. raising everyone's costs... so kudos to the 2% of folks that ruin it for the people that stay within reason!
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t-mobile now lets you stream videos from a number of services like netflix, hulu, hbo; without having an effect on your data usage!
http://www.tmonews.com/2015/11/bing...ithout-using-their-high-speed-data-allotment/
awesome stuff
Don't u gotta change your plan?
Raul69.atl said:
Don't u gotta change your plan?
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You have to be on a plan that has 3gb+ of high speed data. This feature starts November 15 for simple choice plans and the 19th for everybody else
According to some articles, using this will lower your resolution. You will be able to opt out of you want to, but how, I don't know.
Not sure if unlimited users will be part of it.
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According to some articles, using this will lower your resolution. You will be able to opt out of you want to, but how, I don't know.
Not sure if unlimited users will be part of it.
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Unlimited users wouldn't need to be a part of it...lol
However, per the article:
"Unlimited data subscribers, you’re getting something special, too. Magenta is teaming up with VUDU to give unlimited 4G LTE customers a free VUDU movie rental each month of 2016."
how about tablet plans?
Kodi ftw
This will also come in handy to unlimited user. Because the same rule applies to Hotspot as well.
Lmax579 said:
how about tablet plans?
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Tablets get it if it is SC or SC NA Match plans
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I enabled my tmobile Hotspot, used my tablet to stream Netflix, no data added to my Hotspot.
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Blis said:
According to some articles, using this will lower your resolution. You will be able to opt out of you want to, but how, I don't know.
Not sure if unlimited users will be part of it.
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You can opt out.
I had to do it because it was slowing down my speeds. I have unlimited data so I don't need it on.
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-24294#tutorial1
barfingmonkey said:
I enabled my tmobile Hotspot, used my tablet to stream Netflix, no data added to my Hotspot.
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It seems to treat your tablet just like your device since the data reads the same. Now if you plugged it up or used a laptop you would see your tethering data change.
playya said:
It seems to treat your tablet just like your device since the data reads the same. Now if you plugged it up or used a laptop you would see your tethering data change.
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I was answering someone's question, yeah, I use a different methods for my laptop.
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barfingmonkey said:
I was answering someone's question, yeah, I use a different methods for my laptop.
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Oh OK my bad
I have a $30 prepaid plan and this bing-on work too. I can watch netflix, crackle, hulu all day without charging data. Btw, I watched on my tablet and it doesn't add data to my tether. As long as you phone and tablet's browser are set to android agent. This is the best $30 plan I ever used. Freedom music and now freedom video, awesome!!!! No need sd card