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I just want to get rid of some of the stock at&t bloatware, how much root do i need in order to delete system files, and not install roms?
Lol. This made me laugh, but in all seriousness you have to have S-Off to get perm root to be able to remove bloat. There is a video tutorial somewhere around here, just be careful or wait for my one click.
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bubby323 said:
Lol. This made me laugh, but in all seriousness you have to have S-Off to get perm root to be able to remove bloat. There is a video tutorial somewhere around here, just be careful or wait for my one click.
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As long as that one click doesn't require flashing any ROMs. Matching the Unrevoked method would be cool!
Im glad you got a kick out of it. One click root will be nice
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Im glad you got a kick out of it. One click root will be nice
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Yeah. Just wait for the one click. It will be almost exactly like unrevolked in the fact its simple, maybe not as fast.
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I had to thank you for the laugh as well.
I'm pretty sure you need about 4 to get bloat off.
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Please check /cache and copy all files from it before rebooting to install.
That way, we can get a copy.
For more advanced users, please run a logcat during download process, so that we can try and get a URL to download it manually.
Thanks!
no prob I was just saying in another thread that i am new to the forums and a verizon wireless employee. I was just about to post a thread letting all the devs know that i have access to info a few days (sometimes...you guys are good) before the general public. I also have a thunderbolt that im not afraid to brick trying new things (giunea pig) because i can get it replaced being an employee.
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Please check /cache and copy all files from it before rebooting to install.
That way, we can get a copy.
For more advanced users, please run a logcat during download process, so that we can try and get a URL to download it manually.
Thanks!
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Disclaimer : Hi my name is Daniel and I'm a noob.
I'm assuming that if you're rooted you shouldn't touch any updates until they've been modified by the devs?
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I'm assuming that if you're rooted you shouldn't touch any updates until they've been modified by the devs?
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I'm wondering this aswell
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I'm assuming that if you're rooted you shouldn't touch any updates until they've been modified by the devs?
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Honestly I am noobish myself but from what I understand if you CAN get the update, it may unroot your device but you just have to do the last few steps of the rooting process over to gain root again. If you are using a custom ROM you may have to manually push the update to the phone.
Again this is not absolute but this is what I believe to be true. If I am mistaken please correct me. This is why I think the OP wants to be able to download it from a website...and also to tear it down for any new goodies
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Honestly I am noobish myself but from what I understand if you CAN get the update, it may unroot your device but you just have to do the last few steps of the rooting process over to gain root again. If you are using a custom ROM you may have to manually push the update to the phone.
Again this is not absolute but this is what I believe to be true. If I am mistaken please correct me. This is why I think the OP wants to be able to download it from a website...and also to tear it down for any new goodies
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I have never been through a htc update but I'm pretty sure it puts s back on which would make you unable to regain root I believe.
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I have never been through a htc update but I'm pretty sure it puts s back on which would make you unable to regain root I believe.
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There's been some talk that they'll force-push the update. Dunno the veracity of that. I'm thinking about returning to stock beforehand.
What can we do to stop the OTA?
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There's been some talk that they'll force-push the update. Dunno the veracity of that. I'm thinking about returning to stock beforehand.
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If that's the case, there must be a way to block or prevent this. Would any devs care to add their valuable input?
Would switching to an AOSP make any difference?
The release date is 05/03/2011. That means, we have ample time to get a plan in place. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would hate to re-root their phone.
Is it possible for them to lock the bootloader with this OTA?
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If that's the case, there must be a way to block or prevent this. Would any devs care to add their valuable input?
Would switching to an AOSP make any difference?
The release date is 05/03/2011. That means, we have ample time to get a plan in place. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would hate to re-root their phone.
Is it possible for them to lock the bootloader with this OTA?
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I would say switching to aosp would prevent it as it prevented the updating of the prl.
No. In motorola phones they are locked by hardware. If you were to install a new kernel it trips a component that basically bricks your phone and to disable the trip you would need to crack military grade encryption. We are okay.
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If you are running a Rom with the Verizon framework remove, they have no control over your phone. You will be fine.
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I would say switching to aosp would prevent it as it prevented the updating of the prl.
No. In motorola phones they are locked by hardware. If you were to install a new kernel it trips a component that basically bricks your phone and to disable the trip you would need to crack military grade encryption. We are okay.
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I'm not familiar with AOSP's. Is the "Pre-ALPHA Pre-release of CyanogenMod 7" an AOSP?
Are Senseless or Desensed Roms AOSP?
God I hope this update comes today or tomorrow !
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There's been some talk that they'll force-push the update. Dunno the veracity of that. I'm thinking about returning to stock beforehand.
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I call bullish*t
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I call bullish*t
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I second that.
droidxscott said:
God I hope this update comes today or tomorrow !
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I already put in a different thread that verizon has announced that the ota is scheduled for release 5/3. I have noticed in the past that software updates have been released earlier than scheduled release dates (e.g. froyo update for fascinate was available 7pm the night before)
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I'm not familiar with AOSP's. Is the "Pre-ALPHA Pre-release of CyanogenMod 7" an AOSP?
Are Senseless or Desensed Roms AOSP?
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According to this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1027706) in the development forum, CM7 is listed under "AOSP Based." As for senseless ROM's, I think it depends on the specific ROM in question, as some are and some aren't (but I could be wrong).
Are we waiting for the update that was just recently announced? The same one that's already in bamf? Or am I missing something?
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Are we waiting for the update that was just recently announced? The same one that's already in bamf? Or am I missing something?
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I want the ota update to tinker with, yes.
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I might have just saw the update. I saw something out of the corner of my eye in the notification bar but when I turned my head nothing. I then rebooted my phone and I saw something else out of the corner of my eye (I have really good peripheral vision). There is a small chance it was the clock changing times (yes my vision is that good). I will let everyone know if the phone feels faster and more updated to know for sure.
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I want the ota update to tinker with, yes.
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aight ill let ya know if i get something unless someone hands it to you first. Bamf doens't have the block updater installed?
I am curious to know as to what exploit the G2X uses to gain privilege escalation aka root.
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codecaine21 said:
I am curious to know as to what exploit the G2X uses to gain privilege escalation aka root.
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Use NVFlash to flash CWM. That's all you really need.
And you're probably gonna get bashed for posting in this section, so just make sure you don't do it again.
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Use NVFlash to flash CWM. That's all you really need.
And you're probably gonna get bashed for posting in this section, so just make sure you don't do it again.
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I'm already rooted! Your misunderstanding my question. I wanna know what local exploit the devs use when writing the rooting software. Is it a buffer overflow? Stack based? Heap based? Integer overflow? What program or process is exploited? I just want tobknow just in case ibwanna have a crack at writing one. Also, I figured this post should go here cuz it is a question for developers not general users.
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Ahhh, I see. My bad then. In that case I hope a dev can help you out!
Rageagainstthecage
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Still doesn't belong here IMO
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I don't believe that there is an 'exploit' the lack of root on stock is one thing, root on a custom ROM just is, no security to protect some precious stock ROM with it's 'super secret special' crap. Otherwise unless one of the devs here has compiled a ROM straight from Google source, as opposed to CM source, they are a better authority. And if I wasn't clear enough, this is my opinion, something I am welcome to as a living breathing person, if you don't like what I say and want to try it, try it, see how far you get.
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I don't believe that there is an 'exploit' the lack of root on stock is one thing, root on a custom ROM just is, no security to protect some precious stock ROM with it's 'super secret special' crap. Otherwise unless one of the devs here has compiled a ROM straight from Google source, as opposed to CM source, they are a better authority. And if I wasn't clear enough, this is my opinion, something I am welcome to as a living breathing person, if you don't like what I say and want to try it, try it, see how far you get.
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@Волк, I was referring to stock rom. After you flash CWM, you use a root zip file to gain root on your device. I was curious as to how the zip file rooted the stock rom.
Something along these lines ---> http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-e...-against-the-cage-and-z4root-Android-exploits
@M3TG, no one asked for your opinion.
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@Волк, I was referring to stock rom. After you flash CWM, you use a root zip file to gain root on your device. I was curious as to how the zip file rooted the stock rom.
Something along these lines ---> http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-e...-against-the-cage-and-z4root-Android-exploits
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I believe you just answered your own question.
buru898 said:
I believe you just answered your own question.
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Ik lol
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Shouldn't questions be in questions and answers
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@Волк, I was referring to stock rom. After you flash CWM, you use a root zip file to gain root on your device. I was curious as to how the zip file rooted the stock rom.
Something along these lines ---> http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-e...-against-the-cage-and-z4root-Android-exploits
@M3TG, no one asked for your opinion.
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lol wowh there buddy...
first off, mt3g is right, this does not belong in development. just read the sticky at the top if you need a reference.
second, i think rageaginstthecage was not working on the gb 2.3.3 IIRC, and i think it was always just put into roms (even stock-ish ones) outside of the phone. (im most likely horribly wrong here, i never really looked into how root is accomplished)
either way, that link you posted pretty much answers your question
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@Волк, I was referring to stock rom. After you flash CWM, you use a root zip file to gain root on your device. I was curious as to how the zip file rooted the stock rom.
Something along these lines ---> http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-e...-against-the-cage-and-z4root-Android-exploits
@M3TG, no one asked for your opinion.
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The root zip just contains the necessary files that allow access to /system and any root functions. No exploit. CWM is basically another OS that is meant to modify the primary OS directly.
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The root zip just contains the necessary files that allow access to /system and any root functions. No exploit. CWM is basically another OS that is meant to modify the primary OS directly.
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I know the zip contains the necessarry files. That's obvious lol I'm not asking about CWM. I already know what it is, how it works, what it does. But I am pretty sure there is an exploit! How else is the program going to bypass the security precautions the system uses to prevent the user from accessing the system in the first place. I figured it was the same as a local privilege escalation on a Linux box.
But if rat in the cage doesn't work for GB. Then my question would be what exploit are the devs using when they write the root zip?
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I know the zip contains the necessarry files. That's obvious lol I'm not asking about CWM. I already know what it is, how it works, what it does. But I am pretty sure there is an exploit! How else is the program going to bypass the security precautions the system uses to prevent the user from accessing the system in the first place. I figured it was the same as a local privilege escalation on a Linux box.
But if rat in the cage doesn't work for GB. Then my question would be what exploit are the devs using when they write the root zip?
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Nope, no exploit. Basically all the zip does is add the files required to switch users. The security is simply lack of binaries required to switch to root user.
Rageagainstthecage does work on GB. So do other methods. What exploits do you think superoneclick injects? The g2x bootloaders come factory unlocked
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Rageagainstthecage does work on GB. So do other methods. What exploits do you think superoneclick injects? The g2x bootloaders come factory unlocked
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i know it works with gb, but i thought something broke it on the g2x?
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Rageagainstthecage does work on GB. So do other methods. What exploits do you think superoneclick injects? The g2x bootloaders come factory unlocked
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RATC works on GB? Oh, I was just going off what klathmon said, sorry.
Why does everyone keep saying no exploit is used kwes? Im positive one is definitely used. Just like Linux, you can't just add a root account with a regular user account! You need to be root in the first place! Just like RATC does. What other exploits are used kwes?
I didn't know the bootloaders come factory unlocked. Guess that's why there's no need for the s-off process with the G2X. Good to know!
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Shouldn't questions be in questions and answers
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Come on you two, really, android police? This forum has bigger fish to fry than a Guy asking a very intelligent question. At least he's not asking for mission donations. Mt3g, you're kinda on my team, but bro., I'm saying this as a friend, you do spout off at the mouth a lot. It just don't look good, you're not the mod, nor I or anyone else in here. Leave it to them, if I was the mod and i just saw your post I would purposely leave the thread here. It's human nature. With everyone rudely playing mod around here, I'm sure the mods just sit back and laugh at the immaturity. When a mod steps in and says "hey, this don't belong here, don't do it again or you're banned! " nobody says a word and the op obeys. When you or anyone else does it, the flamethrowers come out and we get another 50 posts of wannabe tough guys talking ****. DOC stepped in at the right time with owain and hell and handled it professionally, the mods are doing their jobs when there isn't 10 primadonnas pulling rank and making citizen arrests. I'm sure the flamethrowers will be lit after this post, hey, continue embarrassing yourselves.
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RATC works on GB? Oh, I was just going off what klathmon said, sorry.
Why does everyone keep saying no exploit is used kwes? Im positive one is definitely used. Just like Linux, you can't just add a root account with a regular user account! You need to be root in the first place! Just like RATC does. What other exploits are used kwes?
I didn't know the bootloaders come factory unlocked. Guess that's why there's no need for the s-off process with the G2X. Good to know!
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Root account is there, just inaccessible normally. If you make a Linux box login to a regular user by default and remove su and sudo, you cannot really access the root account. The zip adds su back. Cwm is an external os that has full access to the all parts of the Android os, allowing for this to be placed in the $PATH. (/system/bin).
The exploit methods find ways to become root (glitch in graphics card driver on sensation) and place the binaries.
I keep on getting this prompt saying I need to update my software, it'll just take a few minutes, etc. I rooted my phone just recently and want to make sure that if I update I won't lose my root privileges.
The reason I'd like to update us I'd like top see if it will fix the problem with the WiFi connection, I've completely lousy the ability top connect to WiFi.
Does anyone have any info in these issues?
Thanks
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Yes, you will lose your root. You can either use ota rootkeeper from the play store or my recommendation would be to just flash a ROM. CleanROM to be specific. It's based off the latest OTA. Flash that and the latest radio and you'll be golden. Best ROM available.
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choocher said:
I keep on getting this prompt saying I need to update my software, it'll just take a few minutes, etc. I rooted my phone just recently and want to make sure that if I update I won't lose my root privileges.
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If you install and activate OTARootkeeper, it will preserve your root. It's pretty much idiot-proof.
+1 for OTARootKeeper. It worked for me when my phone updated from 1.73 to 1.85.
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iElvis said:
If you install and activate OTARootkeeper, it will preserve your root. It's pretty much idiot-proof.
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It should be noted that OTA Rootkeeper is verified to work with the 1.85 OTA, but its not a sure thing for every OTA. Its possible that future OTA's may still break root, even with Rootkeeper. When future updates come out, safest to see if OTA Rootkeeper works for others before attempting yourself, unless you feel like being brave (I guess somebody has to be the guinea pig). Or to install the update by some other means, as they are often posted here in pre-rooted form and installable via recovery.
I think I'll do both. The only thing is, everybody talks about flashing a Rom as if I should know what that is, or how to do it. Sadly, I don't have the slightest clue. Does anyone have a link to a step by step instruction on how to do it?
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choocher said:
I think I'll do both. The only thing is, everybody talks about flashing a Rom as if I should know what that is, or how to do it. Sadly, I don't have the slightest clue. Does anyone have a link to a step by step instruction on how to do it?
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There are such things, but if you're that clueless, you should do some reading and researching about the general subject before doing anything with your phone. Don't do anything that a) you don't fully understands and b) don't know how to undo.
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I think I'll do both. The only thing is, everybody talks about flashing a Rom as if I should know what that is, or how to do it. Sadly, I don't have the slightest clue. Does anyone have a link to a step by step instruction on how to do it?
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The reason why everybody talks like you should know what a ROM is is because this is xda-developers. This site is geared directly towards developers and users who root and flash ROMs and mods. It is pretty much understood that if you are on this site, you should at the very least know what a ROM is. There are other, more general Android sites out there that are for the average user but this is not one of those sites.
That said, if you check out the development section, you will see a whole bunch of threads for various ROMs and mods, I suggest checking them out and you will see what benefits they provide and how their experiences differ from the stock one. Flashing a ROM is a lot easier than you would think, and the benefits are endless. Everything you need to know about how to do it can be found here on xda, just look around a bit and you will find all the info you need. Good luck!
Thank you for the help and direction.
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No prob. If after doing some reading you still have questions, don't hesitate to ask. We're here to help
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I'm trying to update my HOX and for some reason it won't happen. My phone downloads the latest OTA (4.0.4?), the phone restarts, goes to the install screen, the progress bar gets a quarter of the way, then a phone with a red triangle pops up. I have no idea what's happening. The phone will eventually restart again, and a pop up will show up and say, "update unsuccessful, please try again later."
Can someone please shed some knowledge. I'm pretty sure this phone isn't rooted or anything. Android is pretty new to me, coming from iOS after 5 years.
It's helping you from making a mistake.
If you accept the ota, then it's lights out for you if you want to unlock or root. Search a little bit, there's a thread with a pre-rooted 2.20 update on here. I'd recommend that. Good luck!
PS: My phone did the same exact thing. I was rooted, which I undid temporarily using Voodoo Rootkeeper, and also I had uninstalled some system bloatware using Titanium Backup. That was enough to cause the ota to fail. Thankfully.
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Not sure what the problem is but if your dead set on taking the update and losing the ability to root or unlock in the near future the ruu is availible in the dev section or you can download it direct from HTC dev. I would highly recommend you do a little more reading before taking the plunge
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Thanks guys. I'll do a little more reading I guess. I'm not that concerned about rooting. Just want this phone updating and to figure why this is happening.
PsstGreek said:
Thanks guys. I'll do a little more reading I guess. I'm not that concerned about rooting. Just want this phone updating and to figure why this is happening.
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If you don't want to root, xda is not for you
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PsstGreek said:
Thanks guys. I'll do a little more reading I guess. I'm not that concerned about rooting. Just want this phone updating and to figure why this is happening.
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Hold your tongue before the angry mob of pitchfork-weilding purists descend on you for not wanting to root! LOL
If you're new, I guess it makes sense, but there is a lot you can do with root, pretty basic stuff, that you can't without it. Like fixing the linkify issue and unlock the tethering app, and the built in tools like flashlight and the FM tuner.
So let the ota fail all it wants while you do some homework. Then call the shot. Good luck.
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The Android gods are trying to give you a second chance at rooting. Consider yourself lucky.
Titanium backup your apps+data, factory reset. Anyone else think of anything different?
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atticusmas said:
If you don't want to root, xda is not for you
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If he doesn't want to root, he can read and be better informed. GG.
PsstGreek said:
Thanks guys. I'll do a little more reading I guess. I'm not that concerned about rooting. Just want this phone updating and to figure why this is happening.
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Blasphemer!
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PsstGreek said:
Thanks guys. I'll do a little more reading I guess. I'm not that concerned about rooting. Just want this phone updating and to figure why this is happening.
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i would root the phone just to remove the bloatware, AT&T installs alot of it and some your can uninstall with titanium backup some youll want to freeze to make sure it doesnt F your system up. so much crap installed out of the box. Cleanrom is good, and i have used the prerooted 2.20 update as well both are good, im currently back to cleanrom, runs stable and i dont have to go crazy freezing and removing bloat
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Titanium backup your apps+data, factory reset. Anyone else think of anything different?
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That would be pretty tough I'd he is not rooted.
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Rooting is growing on me. Pretty much like jailbreaking an iDevice?
Anyway, I upgraded my HOX using the computer RUU program from HTC's site. Can the phone still be rooted? I read something about a One-Click Root. Can someone point me in the right direction as I continue gathering knowledge
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Can the One X be downgraded back to previous firmwares? I'm on 2.20 now, from reading, it doesn't look like there's a root.
Rooting is growing on me. Pretty much like jailbreaking an iDevice?
Anyway, I upgraded my HOX using the computer RUU program from HTC's site. Can the phone still be rooted? I read something about a One-Click Root. Can someone point me in the right direction as I continue gathering knowledge
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Can the One X be downgraded back to previous firmwares? I'm on 2.20 now, from reading, it doesn't look like there's a root.
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There is currently no root exploit for the 2.20 update and because there was also a new hboot in that update downgrades are not possible either
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There is currently no root exploit for the 2.20 update and because there was also a new hboot in that update downgrades are not possible either
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Ah, okay. Typical rookie mistake and upgrading. Guess, I'll be waiting for one then. With rooting are there any ETA's on when one will be out, or the developers keep it hush-hush like iOS guys?
I really do want to take this AT&T crap off my phone but I shall wait
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Ah, okay. Typical rookie mistake and upgrading. Guess, I'll be waiting for one then. With rooting are there any ETA's on when one will be out, or the developers keep it hush-hush like iOS guys?
I really do want to take this AT&T crap off my phone but I shall wait
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No eta most of the work on any root exploit is usually done behind the scenes more because of the fact that some previous exploits were security holes so not revealing till it is verified as working prevents att or HTC to block or patch it.
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