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Taken via Rogers Redboard Blog http://redboard.rogers.com/2010/redboard’s-faaq-frequently-asked-android-questions/
Android, one of the newest – and hottest – mobile operating systems out there today is also one of the most-talked about topics here on RedBoard. One report predicts more than 50 Android-powered devices will launch this year — up from 10 in 2009.
We’re big fans of Android at Rogers. We were the first in Canada to carry an Android-powered device and have this country’s largest selection of Android devices such as the HTC Dream, HTC Magic, LG Eve, Samsung Galaxy Spica and Google’s Nexus One with even more Android devices on the way, including the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10.
We’re working hard to have real conversations about Android whenever possible – both online and in person – and thought it would be useful to answer some questions submitted by you, here on RedBoard.
1. Why should I care about Android?
Android is the operating system (OS) created by Google with which you can run programs on your smartphone. It is “open source” software, meaning that while Google has created it, other software developers – no matter their size – can modify the system or create add-on software programs that run on the OS called “apps.” The open-source aspect of the OS is driving many gadget-hungry consumers to Android-powered devices, causing handset makers such as Sony, HTC and LG to take notice and use the OS to power their products.
2. Why does it matter which version of Android I have?
The newer the version, the newer the features and functionality you can have. Just like how some software programs are written for Windows XP or Windows 7, newer Android-based apps – such as voice search or live wallpapers — are written for the newest Android OS, version 2.1. As the first to bring Android to Canada, we were also the first to learn just how much OS upgrades mean to our customers. This was a new challenge that we hadn’t dealt with before. As such, Rogers is working with handset manufactures to ensure an OS upgrade path on all all future devices.
3. Why does “rooting” an Android device void its warranty?
Rooting is when you wipe your handset clean of its existing operating system and install a new version. The problem with rooting is that handset manufacturers install and customize the OS to work specifically with their device so clearing it may make some features and functionality not work correctly. Furthermore, all handsets sold by Rogers are verified to work on our network before giving them to customers. In turn, it’s impossible for us to troubleshoot or provide technical assistance on a device that is no longer in line with that verification. That, in a nutshell, is why rooting voids the warranty of Rogers-purchased devices.
4. What sorts of things can I do with an Android phone — and what’s different from other smartphones?
Android phones aren’t for everybody. Some customers swear by their iPhone, BlackBerry or other smartphone. But here are some of the differences that will help you determine if Android is right for you:
The ease of personalization of Android phones – from colours to fonts to widgets.
The seamless integration with Google’s wide array of products such as Gmail, contacts, calendar, Picasa and maps. If you use your Gmail account on your computer to store important information, you’ll have the exact same access on the go.
Then, there are the apps. The open source community has embraced Android and as such, there are thousands of applications for download through the Android Market.
5. Are there places online that I can get tips for using Android to its fullest?
Not surprisingly, Google has a very thorough website dedicated to Android at http://www.android.com. There are also forums and blogs dedicated to Android, which you can find via an online search.
6. Does Rogers have any custom applications for my Android phone?
We recently launched the My Account app, which provides secure, 24/7 access to your Wireless accounts to view your balance, make payments as well as check airtime, messaging and data usage. It also lets you pay your bill right from your phone. Rogers SportsNet also has an app for getting the latest scores and sports news. While we can’t discuss plans right now for competitive reasons, we will be rolling out even more custom apps for Rogers customers in the near future.
7. How does Rogers define its commitment to the android community?
We understand that for Android users, the smartphone is more than just a device, it’s an extension of who they are. We’re listening to members of the Android community, and engaging with them (online and in person) to truly understand their wants and needs. That’s not limited to just users of the devices. We’re also working with software developers to ensure Rogers Android users have the best possible customer experience.
What kind of phone do you have? Would you consider an Android phone as your next device?
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Does not seem like they have a clue what rooting is.
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Does not seem like they have a clue what rooting is.
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Why? They have explained their point of view well and actually they're right. They can't be responsible for issues on rooted devices, because these issues may be caused by system customizations done by 3rd party. This is absolutely logical.
You can root your phone without actually changing the original OS. They're talking about not supporting various custom firmware, which is different from rooting.
Although with Rooting, you can make core changes that could effect functionality... But like any OS, I don't know if it really matters. I've cooked all of my Windows OS's on a range of devices and still always got warranty exchanges if needed. Just flash a stock firmware and call it a day.
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You can root your phone without actually changing the original OS. They're talking about not supporting various custom firmware, which is different from rooting.
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Yeah, but you don't root to not change anything, right? And they won't compare md5 of every file to see, whether you have changed somethin' or not. They don't give root to people just to be sure, that you have exactly what they have installed to you. If you have rooted, then they lose this sureness.
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Although with Rooting, you can make core changes that could effect functionality... But like any OS, I don't know if it really matters. I've cooked all of my Windows OS's on a range of devices and still always got warranty exchanges if needed. Just flash a stock firmware and call it a day.
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Yeah, I think it would be nice if they would just erase all your data and install stock system. Then they would not waste too much of their time, but would be helpful.
Ahh and there is one more thing: when you flash roms, you risk hardware failure, especially if you aren't careful. It would not make any sense, if they would be responsible for such situation.
Rogers clearly does not have a clue what rooting is - what Rogers has described is installing a custom rom.
Rooting is not the same act as installing a custom rom - it's just giving yourself root access in the operating system.
Granted, that increases the amount of power the user has over the operating system - and honestly, I prefer that rooting be a little harder to do than just a one-click setup.
My reasoning behind that is simple - with great power, comes great responsibility.
Unfortunately, responsibility is a foreign concept to most consumers, especially when in over their heads trying to alter anything 'behind the scenes'.
That said, I can see why service providers would be disinclined to deal with the many problems that could arise due to root access.
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Why? They have explained their point of view well and actually they're right. They can't be responsible for issues on rooted devices, because these issues may be caused by system customizations done by 3rd party. This is absolutely logical.
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As pointed out below Rogers explained using custom ROMs and not rooting. I have root and have not installed a custom ROM. I installed an overclocking app instead - does this mean my warranty has not been voided? According to Rogers it would not be.
This part made me laugh
Furthermore, all handsets sold by Rogers are verified to work on our network before giving them to customers
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Oh yes we've seen that with the whole E911 patch fiasco that ensued with the "verified" rom from Rogers.
Szadzik said:
As pointed out below Rogers explained using custom ROMs and not rooting. I have root and have not installed a custom ROM. I installed an overclocking app instead - does this mean my warranty has not been voided? According to Rogers it would not be.
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As I said:
Brut.all said:
And they won't compare md5 of every file to see, whether you have changed somethin' or not. They don't give root to people just to be sure, that you have exactly what they have installed to you. If you have rooted, then they lose this sureness.
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You can't have a gun without a license even if you don't use it, but just like to have it. No one will waste his time to check, what you actually do with this gun.
And this a reason, why such point of view *is some kind of standard* in software world. We support users of our software, but if you modified something in it, then we won't even look into your problem - go and fix it by yourself, have luck.
Even with custom rom, if flashing back the original rom can still prove that same feature still fails, the warranty is not considered void, it could be a hardware problem.
Some providers do not know what they are selling and what they are providing.
Nomal people use the mass on top to think and the gap on top to speak, but unfortunately, some chooses to use the mass at the "bottom" to "think" and the gap "below" to "talk".
Verizon and other carriers are working with Google to ban rooting phones. Data will get throttled and possibility of the phone getting banned from network coverage.
1. The way that they were able to track rooted users is based on pushing updates to phones, and then tracking which meid's did not take the update.
2. More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program.
3. In new builds the tracking would be built into the firmware and that if a person removed the tracking from the firmware then the phone would not be verified on the network (i.e. your phone could not make phone calls or access data).
4. Google is working with carriers and manufacturers to secure phones, and although Google is not working to end hacking, it is working to secure the kernel so that no future applications can maliciously use exploits to steal end-user information. But in order to gain this level of security this may mean limited chances to root the device. (This item I've been told but not yet able to verify through multiple sources – so take it for what you want)
5. Verizon has successfully used its new programs to throttle data on test devices in accordance with the guidelines of the program.
6. The push is to lock down the devices as tight as can be, but also offer un-lockable devices (Think Nexus S).
NOOOOOO,
that sux and i wanted to buy a andriod soon because of the rooting.
I wouldn't see it as a threat the reason being :
Majority of people root they phones just to get the better version of the android software which they would have not got otherwise due to the companies not releasing the updated software so obviously the companies wont bother to send the so called update to this old phones anyway.
Secondly Google seems to trying to close the gap on fragmentation in the android as most phones were updated to the Eclair version. so I believe most of the phones of 2010 will eventually get the Gingerbread release depending on the carrier
and last of all there will always be great softwares released and some one out there will come with a hack or whatever
tfn said:
I wouldn't see it as a threat the reason being :
Majority of people root they phones just to get the better version of the android software which they would have not got otherwise due to the companies not releasing the updated software so obviously the companies wont bother to send the so called update to this old phones anyway.
Secondly Google seems to trying to close the gap on fragmentation in the android as most phones were updated to the Eclair version. so I believe most of the phones of 2010 will eventually get the Gingerbread release depending on the carrier
and last of all there will always be great softwares released and some one out there will come with a hack or whatever
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i completely agree with your first point considering I am one of those ppl! also I rooted my EVO to get better battery life....thats another reason to rooting.
i do see the carriers point of view tho.....they dont want people using the tethering workaround they gain from rooting since that is money that they are missing out on.
i should mention, tho, i am against the carriers doing this!! im just saying that i see where they are coming from
I dont think there is any blocks coming to any of the networks in the UK
This subject has already been discussed - more than once, you'll see, from the link I posted in that thread.
If this takes place, I'll be going back to Iphone.
his was an email I got from my networking team. Just wanted to inform and at the same time get a few informed views.
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tfn said:
I wouldn't see it as a threat the reason being :
Majority of people root they phones just to get the better version of the android software which they would have not got otherwise due to the companies not releasing the updated software so obviously the companies wont bother to send the so called update to this old phones anyway.
Secondly Google seems to trying to close the gap on fragmentation in the android as most phones were updated to the Eclair version. so I believe most of the phones of 2010 will eventually get the Gingerbread release depending on the carrier
and last of all there will always be great softwares released and some one out there will come with a hack or whatever
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I know this is my first post, but this thread caught my eye.
the reason they don't want us rooting our phones is because if we do we can use out old phone longer and don't have to pay out he wazoo for a brand new phone. I have a Samsung Moment the last O/S that I could get was Android 2.1 Update 1 which basically rendered the Spring gps useless, and made calls and texts come in when ever they wanted, forcing me to think about a new phone, So i joined the SDX forums and rooted it installed 2.2 with the EB28 rom and so far every thing works as good as a Samsung epic just not 4 g,. which doesn't bother me since I don't video chat.
As far as I am concerned YOU paid for the, phone YOU pay the phone bill its YOURS, you should be able to do whatever you want to with it.
that realy sucks. I dont like that
I wouldn't sweat this too much.
I understand the tethering issue, and I also understand that the base is, and always will be, money. That's the whole point of any business.
Having said that, this community in itself is a market and there are people watching what we are doing and where we are going, because there's cash to be made. If we run into locked bootloaders, dead phones, crappy updates and new phones riddled with bloatware, you better believe that someone else will be ready to snatch all of us up and give us exactly what we want, if not close.
If I owned a company large enough to deliver wireless service, I'd be sitting silently with a squad of high-end 250 dollar unlocked smartphones ready for some good ol "we have your back" marketing. ...granted my wireless was on point and I got good reception.
I don't think us getting into our phones and tinkering with it's innards is ever gonna stop. It might change, yeah, but it won't stop.
damn that doesn't sound to good
even if this happens i'm pretty sure there will be workarounds..
So please explain me how that would work in the court room :
- defendent : I paid for a data plan, and now I am accused of using it
- provider : he has installed an upgraded OS on his phone, your honor !
That would be the same as switching phones (for example if I change my Hero for an unlocked Nexus S, I would be using the same OS as in my hacked Hero), while still having the contract.
I can not see how they can enforce such a thing.
I always buy SIM free phones, so they cant really get me with that as I dont ever get carrier updates.
jh71 said:
So please explain me how that would work in the court room :
- defendent : I paid for a data plan, and now I am accused of using it
- provider : he has installed an upgraded OS on his phone, your honor !
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Defendant: I paid for a data plan that expressly stated that tethering is not included so I fiddled with my phone so that I could do that without paying the appropriate charges.
Network: as you can see, a clear breach of contract.
Not that it would ever reach a courtroom anyway.
waz000000 said:
I always buy SIM free phones, so they cant really get me with that as I dont ever get carrier updates.
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That's got nothing to do with it though - I have an unlocked. unbranded Motorola Defy but the bootloader is still encrypted.
Some manufacturers can and do lock down handsets that aren't tied to any one network. Motorola do it, HTC seem to be moving in that direction - only SE are taking clear steps in the opposite direction.
Let's have a go at it one more time:
Defendant :
"Your honor, android is all about innovation, and carriers are ganging up with manufacturares cuz they want more, and more, and more, but are to lazy or incapable, or lacking inspiration. I do root, but tethering might as well not even be there, as it is part of many official out of the box releases. If i root, i do it cuz some manufacturers and some carriers are incapable of offering me the google experience im locking for, and as this is a carrier dominance, i dont have a choice but get the closest device for my budget, and that delivers the closest version to that google experience, and then root it, to get the proper battery life i paid for, and get rid of bloatware, which isnt productive for my needs, as THIS DEVICE IS MINE, I OWN IT!"
Network:
We are directly against Android!!!!
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if this happend i think hes going to loose a lot of client so i don't think thats going to happend if no root no theme change no a lot of other things no liberty so if they do that i buy an iphone ^^
hey andy...why dont u guys start investing in you own hardware... apple is pretty good at it, google would be a hit. at least a research would be more then worthed.
my, how the tables would turn in such case....
The more I read and hear this, the more I don't believe it will ever happen.
I have never owned a cell phone before (yeah, I'm one of the last three who never has), and now am wanting to buy one. My preference is Android. I have some questions about this whole space:
* I don't want a contract. Is it generally true that I can buy any unlocked phone, and a prepaid SIM from Amazon or somewhere, and use them together?
* I'm old (early 60's) and have some generational cultural differences from many (but not all) of you that grew up with and accept social networking. Specifically, I have a zero tolerance policy towards my phone leaking ANY data, under any situation, and a zero tolerance policy for any outside control of the device. That is to say, I will not accept remote updates of software, nor any software which "phones home". I will only accept a phone that is 100% under my control. This seems to create complications, even under Android. If I run a custom firmware such as CM7, is this a goal that I can reasonably achieve? Perhaps with a local firewall on the device?
* I want to use the GPS for wilderness hiking, specifically, to retrace my (approximate) path in the unlikely event I become lost. Is the onboard GPS on phones adequate for such a purpose? I don't need meter-accuracy, but 10 or 15m accuracy would be nice, along with software that would sample my position every (say) 60 seconds and overlay this on a map that MUST be stored locally on the device. I will be out of cell tower range.
* These devices can carry a lot of data, but this seems dangerous on a device that may be lost or stolen. I know there can be a numeric code to unlock the device, but that provides no real security in practice. Is it possible for me to use encryption at the block level with a filesystem on an SD card? Conceptually, I want to mount that card through an encrypted loopback device, with a timeout that will unmount it after a period of inactivity. Possible?
* Specific phones: I liked the LG2X, but it seems many people have big problems with it. I liked the Sensation, but it has a locked bootloader -> nonstarter. So I'm looking at the Mytouch 4G. How big a limitation is GSM in practice, within the continental US?
* When 802.11 is available, will I be able to use my existing VOIP provider instead of a cell network to make voice calls?
Thanks for any help that anyone might give a complete phone newbie.
Is there perhaps a more suitable forum for me to ask "hey, I've never even owned a cell phone before" type questions? If someone could point me to a better place to ask my clueless questions, that'd be wonderful.
Maybe you will buy HTC HD2?
It's a good phone for start, and it has all of the things what you need
Thanks Rafal.Sw, but that seems to be a Windows Mobile phone, and I'd prefer to stick with open source operating systems.
In any case, I'm more after information here than specific phone recommendations. Thanks for your reply though.
But you can always install android on this Phone, i have it and it's wonderful for me
The specific phone model is really not my primary question. I'm looking for information on my questions above, or failing that, a place more appropriate for novices to ask such things.
Thanks...
Research is key. Search button is your friend and essential. friendly reminder as always
Yes unlocked GSM devices are able to connect to a compatible carrier / sim card. For instance I have an unlocked GSM from att but i hate contracts and burning a hole in my pocket. So.. i went to best buy and grabbed an h2o sim kit and poppeed. It in VOILA. Service= no contract = more money. Of course there are plenty others. With different. Pre paid plans. That's just one of many i use.
Alot of these devices will work around the world ESPECIALLY an unlocked GSM device. Of course they will have to have the WORLD phone type basebands. To achieve this if traveling the world.
GPS has come along way since eclair, and is getting signifucally better all the time. However this really depends on your device and its hardware/software When you see a phone you like find the oppropriate forum and thread and learn about that device. Here on xda.
As far as security with android its great and getting better and better. They stay up to date with the latest. The biggest RISK/ ONLY common are with an OPEN all wifi access connection. Also The problem lies when someone( the user) puts bad apps or pirate apps and files in the device making it vulnerable.
To keep data safe on your phone can be achieved in a number of ways, to name a couple, numerous locks can be applied on apps files even before the device boots up, there are also apps that will wipe every thing on your device if lost or stolen by using your computer to control it. Also apps that will track your phone so you can find it
I to are very strict on the control of my device and with that there are great apps with the kind of extra protection you look for ex. Firewalls, malwate spyware blockers etc. There is no need to unmiunt an SD card. Do you take out your harddrive on your computer when not in USE? "Rhetorical "
CM7 is built AOSP from the ground up. They are in no way or have anything to do with the carrier or its original manufacture. Its totally custom build. Extremely knowledgeable developers who take pride in their work for all of us for free. This is not for your average user. These builds are still in ongoing development and not available for every device. However these builds are very stable for and a daily driver
YES YOU CAN, For VOIP calls, there are apps for that and I've used it for a couple years now, alot of devices can and have already support it, and takes a litle tinkering to get them to work. Now days the Devices coming out have VOIP already ready for setup out of the box. With easy setup
If you want the the best bang for your Buck,
Samsung Galaxy S 2. Is what i recommend. It's truly the best of the best. Along with EVO 3d. And Motorola D3
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<nod> I've done some, but there are things I can't quite find anyone discussing, like the use of GPS for wilderness hiking, or the details of block level encryption.
I agree with you 100% about contracts. I'm not sure why they're so popular. They seem more expensive overall, and less flexible.
There is no need to unmiunt an SD card. Do you take out your harddrive on your computer when not in USE?
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Well, no, but I don't carry the whole machine around in my pocket, either. Somehow the only thing I really trust to keep my data secure is encryption, but then there's this issue of how long the data stays decrypted. You have to be able to use it, but if you lose the device, no one else should be able to see it.
CM7 is built AOSP from the ground up.
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Yeah, which is why I'd trust it more than the carrier supplied software. I'm pretty much restricting my device choices to ones that CM7 supports, which does rule out several otherwise attractive phones.
Thanks - the Galaxy S2 does look interesting. Is it supported by CM7? Their "devices" page only lists the Galaxy S.
Thanks for the insights, rwells813!
YES, Samsung has sent a SGS2 over to an Cm7 dev. To play with. So i assume in do time it will be a supported mainline. I believe he has test builds for it already . I haven't tried them yet with mine yet. I stick with one dev. Phone at a time. My captivate is the Guinea. Pig. Good luck mate.
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Hey guys, just want to start off with an apology. I know these are stupid questions but I couldn't find an answer on the forums from searching that I could understand or that was made in the last 5 years. So here it goes.
I got a Samsung Galaxy S3 (SGH-T999) and like any new product it's stuffed full of garbage apps and bloatware. Well I want that all gone and I want full control of my device! I'm an electrical engineer, so I'm not an idiot I'm just not a software guy, so I need some very basic answers and I'll just google the rest I don't understand.
1. I know you can buy unlock codes and it lets me use other sim cards, I dont care about this, I'm keeping t-mobile for the next two years, not my choice. Does it do me any good otherwise?
2. I can install custom roms, I did this on my GS1 but it never worked out right and was really buggy. Is this the general idea of how it works? I want my phone to be as stable as possible and I want all its functionality.
3. The other apps you aren't supposed to have. I read an article in maximum PC about apps that aren't on the play store that let you under clock your CPU to get better battery life and make your phone more efficient. Do these exist, are they worth it?
4. WiFi tethering, I have T-mobile, and they want me to pay for tethering, this is bull****, if I don't go over my 2gb soft cap, then why should I be charged? If I unlock / boot load (what even is a boot load?!?!?) can I do that for free?
Thanks for the help, if you are kind enough to help me out, could you please not use short hand, I can't really google acronyms and expect an accurate result. Saves me and you time.
For starters I apologize for the lack of formatting Ill do my best but I'm not used to posting on forums, but I want to make a informed decision and over the years I have found this is the best place to find the answers I'm looking for.
The First Question
I'm debating with myself on two things. Should I root my Google Pixel 7 Pro (my new daily driver) or My Google Pixel 6 (my previous daily driver)?
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The deciding factors would be
1. Do I lose tap pay functionality?
I consider this because I rooted Google Pixel 5a and I couldn't figure out for the life of me how to re-enable "secure apps" such as google wallet and banking apps.
In essence I don't want any functionality missing or disabled as a result of rooting and not setting something up properly. If this is avoidable please let me know and shoot me over available resources.
This goes for both phones regardless id like everything to work properly on either phone. I would rather not root the 7 Pro if it meant these types of apps work properly.
2. Are there any benefits or differences when it comes to rooting the 7 Pro vs the 6?
The answers to this question will help me weight the options, for instance if there is a decent enough benefit to rooting the 7 Pro then I might just forgo the "secure apps" mentioned in the last question.
I have been in and out of the rooting scheme for a while now and its hard to get updated with current app, edits, extensions, etc. I wouldn't even know what to look for.... depending on how this post goes Ill probaly make another post to ask what kind of stuff root has to offer these days, but for now if you guys can give me any general but impactful information on the differences/benefit/compatibility of rooting one device or the other, I would be grateful.
3. Which device would be easier to root and consistently update?
Right now I have a ATT carrier locked (I didn't buy it from ATT, I bought it from a used phone store and neither of them can or will unlock it...) Pixel 7 Pro and a T-Mobile (soft unlocked) Pixel 6. I have seen a guide for the Pixel 7 Pro and it seems simple enough, and I'm not to sure about the 6 because as I was looking around I was getting some people saying it is possible and others saying its not. I mainly just want to root either phone and have a simple-ish way to update it.
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The Second QuestionIs it worth doing?
I know this is mainly a personal preference thing. I like being able to use things like titanium backup, or quick switch, or substrate themes, etc. I am heavily into customization and a lot of things can't be customized the way Id like to be able to. On top of that the ability to hyper configure the device to do exactly what you want when you want is exactly what I want.
This question is mainly to get a properly list of pro's and cons, so I can further weight my options.
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If you guys don't mind with your guy's answers if you could post some updated resources I can look at for root apps and tweaks that would be great.
Thank you for helping me figure this out, and if you didn't or don't want to that's fine too, I'm just glad somebody read this xD.
It seems like chatgpt is striking again. You asked it a question and it posted it? The links for rooting and what you can do are on page one. You see the awkward wording, ufff.
Kai2150 said:
1. Do I lose tap pay functionality?
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No. P7P rooted here, tap-to-pay works. You will of course need USNF mod by Displax and Shamiko.
Kai2150 said:
2. Are there any benefits or differences when it comes to rooting the 7 Pro vs the 6?
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I don't own the P6P so I can't compare, but P7P has a newer chip and I would be inclined to use it as my daily driver.
Kai2150 said:
3. Which device would be easier to root and consistently update?
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Both should be equally easy using PixelFlasher. Keep in mind that P7P patches init_boot.img and not boot.img. You'll find that explained in details in the relevant PixelFlasher thread(s).
Kai2150 said:
Is it worth doing?
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AdAway / AdGuard
AOSP Mods (since you're into customisations)
Better Internet Tiles
Mixplorer
Repainter
SD Maid
SmartHertz
Substratum Lite
Swift Backup (best replacement for Titanium Backup)
Termux
Themer
Warden (to kill all app trackers in one go)
You decide.
wangdaning said:
It seems like chatgpt is striking again. You asked it a question and it posted it? The links for rooting and what you can do are on page one. You see the awkward wording, ufff.
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No i wrote that all my self lol
Fishawy said:
No. P7P rooted here, tap-to-pay works. You will of course need USNF mod by Displax and Shamiko.
I don't own the P6P so I can't compare, but P7P has a newer chip and I would be inclined to use it as my daily driver.
Both should be equally easy using PixelFlasher. Keep in mind that P7P patches init_boot.img and not boot.img. You'll find that explained in details in the relevant PixelFlasher thread(s).
AdAway / AdGuard
AOSP Mods (since you're into customisations)
Better Internet Tiles
Mixplorer
Repainter
SD Maid
SmartHertz
Substratum Lite
Swift Backup (best replacement for Titanium Backup)
Termux
Themer
Warden (to kill all app trackers in one go)
You decide.
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Alright you make a good case, could you link me to the various pages with the information for both the PixelFlasher and the above apps/modules
Fishawy said:
No. P7P rooted here, tap-to-pay works. You will of course need USNF mod by Displax and Shamiko.
I don't own the P6P so I can't compare, but P7P has a newer chip and I would be inclined to use it as my daily driver.
Both should be equally easy using PixelFlasher. Keep in mind that P7P patches init_boot.img and not boot.img. You'll find that explained in details in the relevant PixelFlasher thread(s).
AdAway / AdGuard
AOSP Mods (since you're into customisations)
Better Internet Tiles
Mixplorer
Repainter
SD Maid
SmartHertz
Substratum Lite
Swift Backup (best replacement for Titanium Backup)
Termux
Themer
Warden (to kill all app trackers in one go)
You decide.
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Do you know if I can unroot? Like say i cant get the banking apps to work and want to go back could I unroot and get access to those apps back?
Kai2150 said:
Do you know if I can unroot? Like say i cant get the banking apps to work and want to go back could I unroot and get access to those apps back?
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Root
Pixel Flasher
Universal SafetyNet Fix
AdAway
AOSP Mods
The rest can be found here on XDA or on Play Store.
Not sure about unroot since I don't need it, perhaps a bit of a read in P7P forum here can help.
Reflash stock init_boot.img and you will be unrooted. Depending, you might have to do a factory reset and bootloader relock. It really depends on the apps and such.
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For starters I apologize for the lack of formatting Ill do my best but I'm not used to posting on forums, but I want to make a informed decision and over the years I have found this is the best place to find the answers I'm looking for.
The First Question
I'm debating with myself on two things. Should I root my Google Pixel 7 Pro (my new daily driver) or My Google Pixel 6 (my previous daily driver)?
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The deciding factors would be
1. Do I lose tap pay functionality?
I consider this because I rooted Google Pixel 5a and I couldn't figure out for the life of me how to re-enable "secure apps" such as google wallet and banking apps.
In essence I don't want any functionality missing or disabled as a result of rooting and not setting something up properly. If this is avoidable please let me know and shoot me over available resources.
This goes for both phones regardless id like everything to work properly on either phone. I would rather not root the 7 Pro if it meant these types of apps work properly.
2. Are there any benefits or differences when it comes to rooting the 7 Pro vs the 6?
The answers to this question will help me weight the options, for instance if there is a decent enough benefit to rooting the 7 Pro then I might just forgo the "secure apps" mentioned in the last question.
I have been in and out of the rooting scheme for a while now and its hard to get updated with current app, edits, extensions, etc. I wouldn't even know what to look for.... depending on how this post goes Ill probaly make another post to ask what kind of stuff root has to offer these days, but for now if you guys can give me any general but impactful information on the differences/benefit/compatibility of rooting one device or the other, I would be grateful.
3. Which device would be easier to root and consistently update?
Right now I have a ATT carrier locked (I didn't buy it from ATT, I bought it from a used phone store and neither of them can or will unlock it...) Pixel 7 Pro and a T-Mobile (soft unlocked) Pixel 6. I have seen a guide for the Pixel 7 Pro and it seems simple enough, and I'm not to sure about the 6 because as I was looking around I was getting some people saying it is possible and others saying its not. I mainly just want to root either phone and have a simple-ish way to update it.
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The Second QuestionIs it worth doing?
I know this is mainly a personal preference thing. I like being able to use things like titanium backup, or quick switch, or substrate themes, etc. I am heavily into customization and a lot of things can't be customized the way Id like to be able to. On top of that the ability to hyper configure the device to do exactly what you want when you want is exactly what I want.
This question is mainly to get a properly list of pro's and cons, so I can further weight my options.
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Thats the end for this post
If you guys don't mind with your guy's answers if you could post some updated resources I can look at for root apps and tweaks that would be great.
Thank you for helping me figure this out, and if you didn't or don't want to that's fine too, I'm just glad somebody read this xD.
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Just a note/thought...
I'm not entirely sure you'll be able to root either device (Pixel 6 or P7P)...carrier variant Pixel's are notoriously inconsistent (& sometimes just as difficult) to get the bootloader unlocked -- which is necessary to root. Apparently, carriers vary -- Verizon is a nonstarter and is for the most part impossible -- and, from what I've seen around the forum here, a lot of the times you'll need to pay off the device fully to get the carrier to send the signal to SIM unlock your device which will get the OEM unlock tick enabled (another necessity to root). You've stated that AT&T already has given you a hard time and has yet to unlock it, and from what I recall AT&T is similar in T-Mo that you must get it SIM unlocked -- so if they won't get that far, your options might be limited in terms of the Pixel 7 Pro that is an AT&T variant. In a lot of cases for T-Mobile, speaking them through Twitter support and/or regular customer service support can get them to send that signal that will SIM unlock (depending on what you tell them; i.e. you are a developer and require for it to be unlocked, you are traveling internationally and need to input another SIM temporarily, etc.); I'm unsure if you can do the same for AT&T.
Another note/thought is that, after rooting, updating isn't too difficult, BUT it is not as easy as using the built-in System Update process. Using the tool PixelFlasher makes it very straightforward and basically is almost the closest way to have a one-click update method, but it isn't as easy. BUT it is DEFINITELY faster than updating via OTA using the built-in System Update process (3-5 minutes vs. 20+ minutes)!
Lastly, be aware that in order to root, you must unlock your bootloader, and when you unlock your bootloader, it is required that your device is wiped -- since you speak as if you've used both devices at least a fair amount (moreso your Pixel 6 as it's been your daily driver for a while now), I'm sure there is also a fair amount of data and customizations on there that you will now have to re-enter, re-setup, re-transfer, re-download, and the like...
Just some thoughts that you might want to keep in mind...good luck to you!
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Just a note/thought...
I'm not entirely sure you'll be able to root either device (Pixel 6 or P7P)...carrier variant Pixel's are notoriously inconsistent (& sometimes just as difficult) to get the bootloader unlocked -- which is necessary to root. Apparently, carriers vary -- Verizon is a nonstarter and is for the most part impossible -- and, from what I've seen around the forum here, a lot of the times you'll need to pay off the device fully to get the carrier to send the signal to SIM unlock your device which will get the OEM unlock tick enabled (another necessity to root). You've stated that AT&T already has given you a hard time and has yet to unlock it, and from what I recall AT&T is similar in T-Mo that you must get it SIM unlocked -- so if they won't get that far, your options might be limited in terms of the Pixel 7 Pro that is an AT&T variant. In a lot of cases for T-Mobile, speaking them through Twitter support and/or regular customer service support can get them to send that signal that will SIM unlock (depending on what you tell them; i.e. you are a developer and require for it to be unlocked, you are traveling internationally and need to input another SIM temporarily, etc.); I'm unsure if you can do the same for AT&T.
Another note/thought is that, after rooting, updating isn't too difficult, BUT it is not as easy as using the built-in System Update process. Using the tool PixelFlasher makes it very straightforward and basically is almost the closest way to have a one-click update method, but it isn't as easy. BUT it is DEFINITELY faster than updating via OTA using the built-in System Update process (3-5 minutes vs. 20+ minutes)!
Lastly, be aware that in order to root, you must unlock your bootloader, and when you unlock your bootloader, it is required that your device is wiped -- since you speak as if you've used both devices at least a fair amount (moreso your Pixel 6 as it's been your daily driver for a while now), I'm sure there is also a fair amount of data and customizations on there that you will now have to re-enter, re-setup, re-transfer, re-download, and the like...
Just some thoughts that you might want to keep in mind...good luck to you!
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Yeah I spent the entire night I made this post trying to bypass the OEM lock and that morning called the providers and neither of them can unlock it, which is BS cause I'm not the person who didn't pay their bill. I'm just going to wait until someone finds a work around, if y'all figure something out lemme know.
I do not even need a smartphone without root rights !!
We should push legislation so that Google will must include root access by default in the settings for any Android device !!
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Yeah I spent the entire night I made this post trying to bypass the OEM lock and that morning called the providers and neither of them can unlock it, which is BS cause I'm not the person who didn't pay their bill. I'm just going to wait until someone finds a work around, if y'all figure something out lemme know.
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Sorry to hear that...but it is as I feared...
Unfortunately you shouldn't hold your breath. Locked down Pixels are fairly notorious about not being able to bypass; Verizon has locked down every Pixel since the original, with bounties $4k+ offering to bypass/unlock, all without success -- I'm unsure if there was ever one with other carriers. The only time there was a "work around" was with the original Pixel seven years ago, which was patched within a month or two. There hasn't been one since...
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Sorry to hear that...but it is as I feared...
Unfortunately you shouldn't hold your breath. Locked down Pixels are fairly notorious about not being able to bypass; Verizon has locked down every Pixel since the original, with bounties $4k+ offering to bypass/unlock, all without success -- I'm unsure if there was ever one with other carriers. The only time there was a "work around" was with the original Pixel seven years ago, which was patched within a month or two. There hasn't been one since...
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Yeah outta the 4 Pixels I own, Pixel 7 Pro, Pixel 6, Pixel 5a, and the Pixel 4, the only one that i can root is the pixel 5a which is annoying because it has lower specs and Refresh rate. The Pixel 7 Pro is locked to ATT bought through a third party and they said since i dont know the person who bought it and because there is a balance owed on the device there is no way to unlock it. The Pixel 6 is locked to Sprint/T-Mobile same situation as the P7P, and the 4 is Verizon locked and they said they dont even have it in their system, so yet again no way for me to get it unlocked.
I'm going out on a limb and gonna say there is likely no way to get these unlocked right now but if anyone see's this and knows of a way to convice these people at these companies to unlock the phones let me know cause as of right now i think it is impossible to get the phones unlocked via an unlock service or a program
Kai2150 said:
Yeah outta the 4 Pixels I own, Pixel 7 Pro, Pixel 6, Pixel 5a, and the Pixel 4, the only one that i can root is the pixel 5a which is annoying because it has lower specs and Refresh rate. The Pixel 7 Pro is locked to ATT bought through a third party and they said since i dont know the person who bought it and because there is a balance owed on the device there is no way to unlock it. The Pixel 6 is locked to Sprint/T-Mobile same situation as the P7P, and the 4 is Verizon locked and they said they dont even have it in their system, so yet again no way for me to get it unlocked.
I'm going out on a limb and gonna say there is likely no way to get these unlocked right now but if anyone see's this and knows of a way to convice these people at these companies to unlock the phones let me know cause as of right now i think it is impossible to get the phones unlocked via an unlock service or a program
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It seems that if you are interested & fine with getting 3rd party second-hand devices, places like Swappa.com is a great place to purchase that you can be sure is global unlocked/no-carrier-variant and has checks/redundancies/ways-of-confirming that the device being sold is legit; if anything you should be able to message the seller and ask for the IMEI so you can check with all the carriers to see if the device is free and clear in their systems...
If this is where you bought your devices and/or you know of this place, you can please disregard the suggestion