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Epic to Thunderbolt anticipation...

I'm getting ready to switch from Epic to Thunderbolt. But concerned about smaller 1400mah battery and graphical rendering over AMOLED....
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guruleenyc said:
I'm getting ready to switch from Epic to Thunderbolt. But concerned about smaller 1400mah battery and graphical rendering over AMOLED....
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Well, then lucky for you that it doesn't have an AMOLED!

Guys going from the Epic to the thunderbolt isnt really a step up.....if you take away the 4G it might be a step down in hardware specs.
Epic is faster, better screen, better GPU (all better but not much better)

I beg to differ with that crappy touchwiz!

well touchwiz is a preference like is sense ui........ but i had the fascinate myself and hated it.....but im a sense ui guy......got the atrix and the blur sux to. lol

Actually ive seen a test of the GALAXY S vs HTC DESIRE HD...... test went back and forth but remember the DESIRE HD was running 2.2 Froyo.....Galaxy S was running 2.1. Also Android runs better on SNAPDRAGON....JIT Compiler has probs on hummingbird processor.

martyotaku said:
Guys going from the Epic to the thunderbolt isnt really a step up.....if you take away the 4G it might be a step down in hardware specs.
Epic is faster, better screen, better GPU (all better but not much better)
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I've seen epic versus Thunderbolt benchmarks, epic has the edge on gpu, but mathematics crunching is faster on Thunderbolt. Then you have the bolts small capacity battery...
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The only thing the epic is going to win in is graphics rendering, I had the displeasure of owning one. The bolt will blow it away on overall speed and the samoled screens have the pentile matrix screens so the thunderbolt will have a clearer screen, the LCD is a better screen anyway, look at the retina IPS screen, guess what, it's a LCD. Overall the thunderbolt will be far more user friendly and launch could be delayed due to them putting GB on. The galaxy s line was the biggest waist of potential out there. By far, it's GPU is capable of rendering almost as good graphics as ps3 and better than xbox 1 or ps2. You all shall see, everyone who gets the bolt will love it, especially if u are in a LTE are, where speeds will be as fast or faster than wifi

MT4G vs. LG G2x

Need some comparison with this two phones.
I currently have the MT4G,just want to know if its worth trading with an LG g2x?

Not worth it. Wait for the SGS2 or Sensation!

or the mt4g slide!

tKoHaXoR said:
Not worth it. Wait for the SGS2 or Sensation!
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I'm already running sense 3.0 on this device.hmmm,yeah maybe the sgs2 will do.

Only issue is that there might not be a SGS2 for T-mo. The names have been revealed for all carriers, but there's no sign of one for us. The G2X is better than the MT4G in it's specs, but wait 7 days and get the sensation. bigger screen, better processor, and HTC build quality. Also, it doesn't look like it will be super expensive. Walmart will have it for 150 on contract.

kimbernator said:
The G2X is better than the MT4G in it's specs
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Only the processor is better. It has a lot less RAM (512 vs the MT4G's 768). I would never want to run a ROM like Virtuous Fusion on the G2x with such little RAM.

I'm just saying I have used a g2x and its very snappy.
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I went from MT4G to G2X. It is faster - even without an android ROM that optimizes duel core (true for all of them), which was to be 2.4 - but that has been pushed way back.
The Sensation is supposed to have the boot loader locked - so forget flashing anything. There is chatter about HTC coming out with an unlocking mechanism - but I would not buy that device based on maybe it will get unlocked.
Some have gotten quadrent scores of 5000+ with CM7 and faux kernel (Max OC "only" 1500 currently). It has a better camera then the sense camera on MT4G, but I never liked the sense one - it had too much compression, so used camera app form the market on my MT4G.

HTC confirmed that they were working on an update for the sensation to unlock its bootloader. I would not worry about it.
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gaww said:
I went from MT4G to G2X. It is faster - even without an android ROM that optimizes duel core (true for all of them), which was to be 2.4 - but that has been pushed way back.
The Sensation is supposed to have the boot loader locked - so forget flashing anything. There is chatter about HTC coming out with an unlocking mechanism - but I would not buy that device based on maybe it will get unlocked.
Some have gotten quadrent scores of 5000+ with CM7 and faux kernel (Max OC "only" 1500 currently). It has a better camera then the sense camera on MT4G, but I never liked the sense one - it had too much compression, so used camera app form the market on my MT4G.
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I went from the G2x to the MT4G (gave up on the G2x because of backlight bleeding). I honestly didn't feel much of a difference. Virtuous Fusion on my MT4G runs fast enough for anything and with Chainfire3D, I can play all the Tegra 2 games and do everything fast as I need. I was originally planning on getting the Sensation. I still might, but I'm considering waiting til the Tegra 3 and comparable phones come out.

I would wait till next year when they start making Quad-core phones, which is in Qualcomm's roadmap, and probably others too. The G2X will be outdone by the SGSII(Fastest Phone now, blows G2X ) . The Sensation is slower than the SGSII, but is still a good phone nonetheless. Not really worth the upgrade from the MT4G. If you care about things like ram, companies are starting to use 1GB ram and hopefully they increase ROM size for more internal storage.

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I would wait till next year when they start making Quad-core phones, which is in Qualcomm's roadmap, and probably others too.
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Agreed. For me this phone will totally be enough for the next year and a half thanks to the awesome work of the dev community. Rooting and flashing a custom ROM has given my phone new life, so personally I can now confidently wait to get my next "uber" phone when my contract expires.

it seems that the g2x has alot of problems compared to mytouch 4g. the one i was able to use kept shutting off and on!
i would wait for something worthwhile!

One of my coworkers has this phone. I messed around with it for a while and it seems to be pretty nice, but not quite enough of an upgrade for me to ditch this phone for.

gaww said:
The Sensation is supposed to have the boot loader locked - so forget flashing anything. There is chatter about HTC coming out with an unlocking mechanism - but I would not buy that device based on maybe it will get unlocked.
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Almost every phone on XDA started out with a locked bootloader. You make no sense with your comment about a locked bootloader. My MyTouch came locked but look at how fast that was bypassed.
BTW: HTC has already stated publicly that an OTA update will unlock it in the near future.

Im with the others, not worth an upgrade. just wait until the quads come out

I love the MT4G. I still have my Nexus One but with 768MB RAM, I can find NO reason to upgrade at this point. And to compound that decision, all the recent reviews have said that the screen is lackluster at best. Sure the higher resolution is nice but if you don't couple that with a great screen it does NO good at all.
And that great device (Sensation) still comes with the same RAM as the MT4G. Sorry, but at a time when tech prices are what they are, packing 1GB+ into a smartphone should be the baseline standard. If I upgraded to anything right now it would be the SGS2 but I intend to wait for quad cores to pop up. My desktop and laptop both have quad cores so my phone should too.
The MT4G with CM7 runs fantastic.

I have a g2x right now, my wife has a mytouch4g. The g2x is quicker, and has more potential. I can say though, it isn't significantly quicker for having a dual core processor and vanilla android, and it definitely does have more software issues.
I (just like others) thought the issues complained about were exaggerated and I was lucky enough to get a g2x without issues. The screen bleeding isn't horrible, but I have had the random reboots (usually daily). Battery life is poor at best, there isn't any lagging but it does stumble and freeze for a second occasionally. Great at multitasking and gaming though.
My wife is pretty picky about her phones and complains if there are any issues... I haven't heard her complain about the mytouch except low earpiece volume.
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Well, both my Cyanogen and MIUI ROMS on my MT4G run better than the G2X. Not my opinion. That is fact. I have a G2X here as well and it doesn't run anywhere as good as my MT4G with either ROM.
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CBConsultation said:
Well, both my Cyanogen and MIUI ROMS on my MT4G run better than the G2X. Not my opinion. That is fact. I have a G2X here as well and it doesn't run anywhere as good as my MT4G with either ROM.
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Would you happen to know why CM7 runs so poorly on the G2x?
And I agree. CM7 on a MT4G makes it feel like it was never meant to be a Sense phone. So smooth....

G2X to Sensation

Ok, here's my opinion and comparison between the two, which I waited two weeks handling the sensation before posting.
The G2X was awesome without its fault the first couple days I had it. It was fast and reliable, simple to its core running the stock froyo. I miss the G2X to tell you guys the truth, and would have kept it if issues were solved, but I really couldn't wait months before an update are sent out. Even if updates are sent out it is still a gamble whether or not it will function the way it should. Paying a premium price for a phone should get you a near flawless device that should keep you happy for atleast a year or two, and shouldn't give you so much hassle that you can't use it due to bootloop for a whole day while you are out.
The HTC Sensation, so far, is working flawlessly. The lag people are talking about is pure nonsense. If you do remove most of the widgets that is running when you first turn on the device it should work without any lag, and people shouldn't really have that much widgets running.
Build Quality:
They are pretty much the same here. The G2X does feel more plasticky in the back, but it didn't really annoy me. The only thing about the sensation I didn't like are the power and volume buttons. They look like they will fall off any minute compared to the G2X which looked solid.
Screen:
The screen on the G2X does pop out more compared to the Sensation, but the resolution fares much better like it should on the latter device. I have to say the screen on the Sensation is amazing even under the sunlight. The only annoyance I have is that you have to go under settings to turn on the automatic dimmer because it is not on the power widget. Browsing the web is also better on the Sensation since you can see more with higher resolution. I have not experienced any of the issues they have posted such as dust, and touch sensitivity. Comparing to the G2X the touch sensitivity fares better on the sensation. I remember that sometimes I had to swipe the unlock button twice on the G2X, but haven't had that issue on the Sensation. The new sense UI is cool, that's all and will give you entertainment for 5mins.
Volume:
This is where I saw a really big difference. The G2X is far superior when it comes to the sound of the loudspeaker. I can hear the sensation's notifications just fine, but with the G2X I can hear it without any problem from another room and I can't say the same thing with the HTC. For this amount I would expect HTC to fit a better speaker, although, it doesn't annoy me since I usually have my phone on vibrate.
I like the Sensation, and I think that it is a superior quality to the G2X. Although, I do miss my G2X too.

m918v said:
Ok, here's my opinion and comparison between the two, which I waited two weeks handling the sensation before posting.
The G2X was awesome without its fault the first couple days I had it. It was fast and reliable, simple to its core running the stock froyo. I miss the G2X to tell you guys the truth, and would have kept it if issues were solved, but I really couldn't wait months before an update are sent out. Even if updates are sent out it is still a gamble whether or not it will function the way it should. Paying a premium price for a phone should get you a near flawless device that should keep you happy for atleast a year or two, and shouldn't give you so much hassle that you can't use it due to bootloop for a whole day while you are out.
The HTC Sensation, so far, is working flawlessly . The lag people are talking about is pure nonsense. If you do remove most of the widgets that is running when you first turn on the device it should work without any lag, and people shouldn't really have that much widgets running.
Build Quality:
They are pretty much the same here. The G2X does feel more plasticky in the back, but it didn't really annoy me. The only thing about the sensation I didn't like are the power and volume buttons. They look like they will fall off any minute compared to the G2X which looked solid.
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The screen on the G2X does pop out more compared to the Sensation, but the resolution fares much better like it should on the latter device. I have to say the screen on the Sensation is amazing even under the sunlight. The only annoyance I have is that you have to go under settings to turn on the automatic dimmer because it is not on the power widget. Browsing the web is also better on the Sensation since you can see more with higher resolution. I have not experienced any of the issues they have posted such as dust, and touch sensitivity. Comparing to the G2X the touch sensitivity fares better on the sensation. I remember that sometimes I had to swipe the unlock button twice on the G2X, but haven't had that issue on the Sensation. The new sense UI is cool, that's all and will give you entertainment for 5mins.
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This is where I saw a really big difference. The G2X is far superior when it comes to the sound of the loudspeaker. I can hear the sensation's notifications just fine, but with the G2X I can hear it without any problem from another room and I can't say the same thing with the HTC. For this amount I would expect HTC to fit a better speaker, although, it doesn't annoy me since I usually have my phone on vibrate.
I like the Sensation, and I think that it is a superior quality to the G2X. Although, I do miss my G2X too.
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This is basically my experience. G2x would have been awesome minus bugs, I couldn't wait to find out if they would be fixed. I did that for the vibrant and never again will I..
Sensation is just more reliable... Camera and video camera eat up g2x, I agree the screen on g2x is better looking. No lag on sensation either...... G2x is pimp, but I think reboots are hardware....sensation it is for me. Id come back if the phone was fixed and with gingerbread...

As a person who went from a G2X to a Sensation I agree with pretty much everything you say. I think you got the Sharp panel for your display which is why you think the G2X pops more. The AUO panel found in done Sensations is super bright with vibrant colors that pop almost as much as a Super AMOLED. I have handled 4 Sensations and trip of them have been laggy due to the person keeping the UI animations, weather animation and a HTC widget on every page. The Sensation I have only has the click widget with 4 pages worth of icons and it is buttery smooth.
Tell me if you notice a difference in these areas.
-App speed: I have found that most apps load and interact faster on the Sensation such as Google Maps which loads and zooms twice as fast than it does on the G2X.
-Flash Videos: Play smoother on the Sensation.
-Contacts app: Scroll faster than on the G2X which would stutter a little bit. Also my contacts pictures on my G2X would take a second to load when scrolling but they are instantly there as I scroll on the Sensation.
-Display: After looking at the Sensation for a couple days, do the icons and peters look fuzzy on the G2X?
All in all. I think once we get the Sensation rooted and this bloatware off of it, this phone will be a super beast.
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smashpunks said:
This is basically my experience. G2x would have been awesome minus bugs, I couldn't wait to find out if they would be fixed. I did that for the vibrant and never again will I..
Sensation is just more reliable... Camera and video camera eat up g2x, I agree the screen on g2x is better looking. No lag on sensation either...... G2x is pimp, but I think reboots are hardware....sensation it is for me. Id come back if the phone was fixed and with gingerbread...
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I don't think I could ever go back to any device with a resolution less then QHD. I looked at the G2X last night and the icons/letters looked fuzzy.
If you display isn't better than the G2X's then try returning it for one with a AUO panel which almost pops as much as Super AMOLED. You probably have the Sharp panel.
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jrwingate6 said:
I don't think I could ever go back to any device with a resolution less then QHD. I looked at the G2X last night and the icons/letters looked fuzzy.
If you display isn't better than the G2X's then try returning it for one with a AUO panel which almost pops as much as Super AMOLED. You probably have the Sharp panel.
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I am curious about this. The unit I played with look like garbage compared to my G2x. The contrast was horrible on the Sensation. Washed out blacks and poor visibility in sunlight. I was not aware there are two different panels available. Is there a manufacturing date to look for? How can you tell before you purchase if you are getting the good panel?

jrwingate6 said:
I don't think I could ever go back to any device with a resolution less then QHD. I looked at the G2X last night and the icons/letters looked fuzzy.
If you display isn't better than the G2X's then try returning it for one with a AUO panel which almost pops as much as Super AMOLED. You probably have the Sharp panel.
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I didn't really say that the display is bad compared to the G2X. The only reason I say this is because I was looking at the display through maybe 60-75% brightness to save battery, plus I don't want to get blinded. Full brightness then yes sensation does look really good.

Are you guys for REAL. Comparing Apples to Orange. First off, G2x runs android 2.2.2 and Sensation runs 2.3 if memory serves me right. So any comparison you guys where doing should have stopped right there not to mention one is stock vs non stock interface.

cenwesi said:
Are you guys for REAL. Comparing Apples to Orange. First off, G2x runs android 2.2.2 and Sensation runs 2.3 if memory serves me right. So any comparison you guys where doing should have stopped right there not to mention one is stock vs non stock interface.
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And you dont have 2.3 because...? exactly

m918v said:
And you dont have 2.3 because...? exactly
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comparing an official 2.3 build to a leaked/incomplete version isn't exactly fair.. Even comparing to CM wouldn't be because it isn't even in RC yet. just saying...

regP said:
comparing an official 2.3 build to a leaked/incomplete version isn't exactly fair.. Even comparing to CM wouldn't be because it isn't even in RC yet. just saying...
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i know. waiting for that update is what urged me to switch

cenwesi said:
Are you guys for REAL. Comparing Apples to Orange. First off, G2x runs android 2.2.2 and Sensation runs 2.3 if memory serves me right. So any comparison you guys where doing should have stopped right there not to mention one is stock vs non stock interface.
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Isn't the Snapdragon vs. TegraII Apples to Oranges?
Isn't 768mb vs 512mb of RAM Apples to Oranges?
Isn't a CPU clocked at 1.2 vs 1.0 Apples to Oranges?
Fact of the matter is not two devices are alike and they people will always compare Apples to Oranges. Just because both devices are running on 2.3 doesn't mean they can be compared then. There will still be other differences so I I don't ever see a Apples to Apples test.

smashpunks said:
This is basically my experience. G2x would have been awesome minus bugs, I couldn't wait to find out if they would be fixed. I did that for the vibrant and never again will I..
Sensation is just more reliable... Camera and video camera eat up g2x, I agree the screen on g2x is better looking. No lag on sensation either...... G2x is pimp, but I think reboots are hardware....sensation it is for me. Id come back if the phone was fixed and with gingerbread...
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What did you do with your G2x?
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jrwingate6 said:
Isn't the Snapdragon vs. TegraII Apples to Oranges?
Isn't 768mb vs 512mb of RAM Apples to Oranges?
Isn't a CPU clocked at 1.2 vs 1.0 Apples to Oranges?
Fact of the matter is not two devices are alike and they people will always compare Apples to Oranges. Just because both devices are running on 2.3 doesn't mean they can be compared then. There will still be other differences so I I don't ever see a Apples to Apples test.
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No offense, but it seems that you are quite enamored with the sensation. You post the exact same thing in the threads of the two, and what I'm wondering is since love your sensation so much, why hang around here with our "inferior" g2xs?
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jrwingate6 said:
Isn't the Snapdragon vs. TegraII Apples to Oranges?
Isn't 768mb vs 512mb of RAM Apples to Oranges?
Isn't a CPU clocked at 1.2 vs 1.0 Apples to Oranges?
Fact of the matter is not two devices are alike and they people will always compare Apples to Oranges. Just because both devices are running on 2.3 doesn't mean they can be compared then. There will still be other differences so I I don't ever see a Apples to Apples test.
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Well sure, we can compare iOS to Android... but with Android, there are lots of optimizations in GB could make a big difference in numbers.
A good test is Stock G2x and Stock Sensation (2.2.2 vs 2.3.3) just as a good base. The true test comes when both are running official versions of the same software (2.3.3 vs 2.3.3).
GPU Accelerated OS parts aren't even included until GB so the G2x should feel faster on GB.
Even a G2x CM7 test wouldn't be fair because while they are on the same OS, CM has always had lower numbers (for some reason).
CM7 on Sensation and G2x would be a perfect test.

player911 said:
Well sure, we can compare iOS to Android... but with Android, there are lots of optimizations in GB could make a big difference in numbers.
A good test is Stock G2x and Stock Sensation (2.2.2 vs 2.3.3) just as a good base. The true test comes when both are running official versions of the same software (2.3.3 vs 2.3.3).
GPU Accelerated OS parts aren't even included until GB so the G2x should feel faster on GB.
Even a G2x CM7 test wouldn't be fair because while they are on the same OS, CM has always had lower numbers (for some reason).
CM7 on Sensation and G2x would be a perfect test.
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Agree. The best comparison for me is both phones right out of the box since we can't get apples to apples until GB is released for G2x.

Why does it HAVE to be apples to apples?
I have a T-mobile contract for another 6 months. I want the best phone on that T-mobile contract I can get. I am going to compare every T-mobile phone to every T-mobile phone and choose the best one for me. Its about comparing one device that is available to you to another device that is available to you. If I can root it and load a custom ROM on it to make it better I will consider that as best I can in my decision making... because it is available to me. Also, if something changes about a device and makes it a better option later on I will have to weigh that and consider switching because what is available to me changed.

greengoldmello said:
No offense, but it seems that you are quite enamored with the sensation. You post the exact same thing in the threads of the two, and what I'm wondering is since love your sensation so much, why hang around here with our "inferior" g2xs?
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I am enamored with the Sensation and I will be enamored when the Hercules gets released. I still play with my G2X and still do like it. There are some games I can't play on my Sensation that I love playing on the G2X and I still use the G2X to get my hack on.
Just because I extensively used both devices side by side (unlike most of the people here) and decided that the Sensation was the better all around device due to a number of reasons doesn't mean I don't like the G2X anymore and for that matter doesn't mean I don't use it anymore.
I have already stated the things the G2X does better than the Sensation. If those reasons were enough to use it as my main device then I would return the Sensation in a heart beat as I am not tied to either one. I understand some people are tied to the G2X and will defend it until there contract runs out but quite frankly, I could give a two ****s less about defending devices just because I own them. The things I think the G2X does better might be important to you and that's why you choose to use it. The categories the Sensation does better in are more important to me and is why I use it as my daily driver.
Bottom line. I still use my G2X and my Nexus S for that matter every day and until I stop using them, I will not stop browsing there respected forums.
By the way. I guess you didn't see my post yesterday saying good things about the G2X...uh?

DECIM8 said:
Why does it HAVE to be apples to apples?
I have a T-mobile contract for another 6 months. I want the best phone on that T-mobile contract I can get. I am going to compare every T-mobile phone to every T-mobile phone and choose the best one for me. Its about comparing one device that is available to you to another device that is available to you. If I can root it and load a custom ROM on it to make it better I will consider that as best I can in my decision making... because it is available to me. Also, if something changes about a device and makes it a better option later on I will have to weigh that and consider switching because what is available to me changed.
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+1 my friend. This is exactly how I feel. When it comes down to it. NOTHING is going to be apples to apples. It's always oranges in the mobile world and people have an excuse for everything. Compare the available devices no matter what kind of fruit they are and just go with it.

I will say I honestly love both devices. I had 2 g2x's and my daughter has one. I traded one of them in a trade for a sensation and the 2nd one I had sent back to LG for repair(should be here friday) I will admit I do miss my G2X a bit. I'm looking forward to getting my other one back and restoring it to the way my other one was before I traded it off

I hate sense that's y sensation sucks
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And who says Sidekicks are for teens ;)

So I'm at work (I now work at UPS, btw) and this late 20s, early 30's woman comes in looking to ship a package. I go ring her total up, then I noticed out the corner of my eye the slide from the sidekick 4g.
So we had a short conversation about how we both like a good qwerty and how nice it feels. It made me feel good because my best friend, who has an EVO, keeps telling me not to get one because nobody has one.
I'm not one to buy a phone based off of popularity, but based off of what I like. In about 2 weeks I'll be (officially) part of the SK4G family!

It really is the best Keyboard in TM's Android line up. It just seemed to be buggy from the start, not to mention considering it's Samsung updates come once in a Blue Moon.

I've always liked the Sidekick family, even though the first Sidekick I had was the ID. It served me well until I lost my data plan. I heard the LX and SL or whatever else there was, were great improvements and now I'm the proud owner of a 4G. I love it! It's got the feel of a Sidekick with all the perks Android has to offer. My only qualms are battery life and (occasionally) speed and lagging. I rooted my phone, and it seems to be performing much better, but this is all fairly new to me, so I'll have to have a friend who is more experinced with rooting and ROMs take a look at it.

Note... the sidekick may be fully functional, and a great messaging phone, but it is also a low end smartphone. You will notice graphics lag everywhere, it won't hinder you from doing anything, its just not pretty.
What im saying is... don't compare it to the evo. Its a real shame that Tmo doesn't have high end keyboard phones. On the other hand, I can actually type faster on the vibrant then on the Sidekick. The bigger the screen, the easier virtual keyboards become.

My low end sidekick 4g is way faster than my cousins evo, sense bogs you phone worse than touch wiz.... those " loading" screens when going back to the homescreen are annoying as heck, and not to mention the repopulation of apps when opening the app drawer too... it almost reminds me of my old g1...................................

insanedrunk said:
My low end sidekick 4g is way faster than my cousins evo, sense bogs you phone worse than touch wiz.... those " loading" screens when going back to the homescreen are annoying as heck, and not to mention the repopulation of apps when opening the app drawer too... it almost reminds me of my old g1...................................
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Now that I think about it, my sk4g was on par to Droid x / Droid 2 / Droid global on quadrant easily low 2000 scores every time.... I have a very technological family, we always compete who's is faster.....
Its embarrassing a $150 phone is faster than "high end" phones.... now nexus' are a different story ;-)

Dripz167 said:
So I'm at work (I now work at UPS, btw) and this late 20s, early 30's woman comes in looking to ship a package. I go ring her total up, then I noticed out the corner of my eye the slide from the sidekick 4g.
So we had a short conversation about how we both like a good qwerty and how nice it feels. It made me feel good because my best friend, who has an EVO, keeps telling me not to get one because nobody has one.
I'm not one to buy a phone based off of popularity, but based off of what I like. In about 2 weeks I'll be (officially) part of the SK4G family!
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Who cares who its marketed to. I'm 21 and own one. Its just a phone. Beer is marketed to adults only, and its seems pretty popular to teens. I love this phone, and on top of its speed, it has flash. Not many high end phones have it either.

I wish the camera had a flash...my only gripe. I would talk this phone up to the end of the earth if it did.

I honestly hate the low end specs....i loved the keyboard and 4G speeds maybe even form factor. Needs bettet larger screen flash bettet cam etc...i had to leave the.phone behind
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insanedrunk said:
Who cares who its marketed to. I'm 21 and own one. Its just a phone. Beer is marketed to adults only, and its seems pretty popular to teens. I love this phone, and on top of its speed, it has flash. Not many high end phones have it either.
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I'm glad to see you're not blinded by what people expect you to conform to.
HeavyYeti said:
I wish the camera had a flash...my only gripe. I would talk this phone up to the end of the earth if it did.
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That's my only gripe also, but I still love this phone.
bipoler said:
I honestly hate the low end specs....i loved the keyboard and 4G speeds maybe even form factor. Needs bettet larger screen flash bettet cam etc...i had to leave the.phone behind
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Even though the perfect screen size for me is 4'', this phone has everything I wanted. And remember, 1ghz and 512mb ram were at one time high end specs.
It was either this phone or the epic, which is the only other phone I like, ever.

I've always loved the Sidekicks, I've owned 3, but I decided to get the 4G Slide for my daughter.
It has the best keyboard ever, hands down.

I am in my late 40s and my wife & I have had Sidekicks since Sidekick II. Still best keyboard on the market!!

oldarney said:
Its a real shame that Tmo doesn't have high end keyboard phones.
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You obviously haven't looked at the Tmo lineup of phones in more than a few months.......
MyTouch 4G Slide...
Last I checked 1.2ghz dual core Snapdragon processor with Adreno 220 gpu(yes, the same gpu as the Sensation, Amaze and Evo 3d), 8mp camera, 1080p video AND A KEYBOARD would be considered high end.....
The Sidekick 4g doesn't hold a candle to the MT4GS...not one iota. Sorry to those I might offend but I'm speaking from experience.....as the SK4G and the MT4GS are a couple of the phones I currently own and use every day....in fact I'll go as far as saying I'd ditch my SK4G for another G2 given the opportunity. Giving up the G2 for a SK4G was a big mistake to start with as the G2 had a lot more going for it. The ONLY thing the SK4G has that the G2 doesn't? A FFC....who uses it anyways?

jsyi84 said:
You obviously haven't looked at the Tmo lineup of phones in more than a few months.......
MyTouch 4G Slide...
Last I checked 1.2ghz dual core Snapdragon processor with Adreno 220 gpu(yes, the same gpu as the Sensation, Amaze and Evo 3d), 8mp camera, 1080p video AND A KEYBOARD would be considered high end.....
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Exactly.
It's UNDERCLOCKED from the factory to 1.2ghz. It should actually be running 1.5ghz. If a single core G2 can be OC'd to 1.9ghz, imagine overclocking both cores..?!??!

IMO from what I have read the hummingbird kicks the crap out of almost everything on the market still in terms of graphics performance, I just wish we could OC higher like the G2 but we aren't going to get that kind of support needed for a kernel that crazy
I'd love a dual core but I can't deal with a touchscreen only phone or a crappy keyboard (tried G2 and MT4GS) I couldn't ever get speed like I can on a sidekick. I went from an LX to a G1 and that was a nice keyboard but every phone I had after that was painful to type on. I will be holding out until another phone comes out with a comparable keyboard before I upgrade from this one. A dual or quad core would be nice but I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything major right now besides being able to tinker with it ;P

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Exactly.
It's UNDERCLOCKED from the factory to 1.2ghz. It should actually be running 1.5ghz. If a single core G2 can be OC'd to 1.9ghz, imagine overclocking both cores..?!??!
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Well not really. The Sensation is clocked at 1.2 ghz. And so is the Evo 3d. But the Amaze has a 1.5 snapdragon s3 processor. Different from the Sensation and evo 3d. Even if the it was 1.5ghz it still won't get the same performance as the Amaze and Evo 3d because they are newer processors. I believe that when you overclock a phone with dualcores it overclocks both core. Not just one..
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ishred11 said:
I believe that when you overclock a phone with dualcores it overclocks both core. Not just one..
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Wrong and right. We can currently oc to 1.7 using the virtuous unity kernels but if you try to oc using apps like setcpu it will show as being overclocked but it only oc's one core since setcpu doesn't support it yet. So it depends on how you try to oc. However setcpu works just fine for underclocking both cores.
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xmeatizmurderx said:
IMO from what I have read the hummingbird kicks the crap out of almost everything on the market still in terms of graphics performance, I just wish we could OC higher like the G2 but we aren't going to get that kind of support needed for a kernel that crazy
I'd love a dual core but I can't deal with a touchscreen only phone or a crappy keyboard (tried G2 and MT4GS) I couldn't ever get speed like I can on a sidekick. I went from an LX to a G1 and that was a nice keyboard but every phone I had after that was painful to type on. I will be holding out until another phone comes out with a comparable keyboard before I upgrade from this one. A dual or quad core would be nice but I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything major right now besides being able to tinker with it ;P
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having had a galaxy as well I can personally say FROM EXPERIENCE samsung products need more polish. Hummingbird or not you'd never know cuz they run like turd.
have you not realized how pitiful samsung products are. After the 3 samsung smartphones I've had now I can firmly say FROM EXPERIENCE You can put any processor or nice screen in it but as the saying goes you can cover a pile of crap in gold but its still a pile of crap...
TRUE WORDS FROM SOMEONE WITH FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE AND HAVE OWNED THEM. (vibrant, galaxy s 4g, sidekick 4g, g2, mytouch 4g, mytouch 4g slide
Not just writing about what I read elsewhere LOL.
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I have owned every SK since the B&W, with the exception of the slide, and having given the 3 immediately away as an "Oh Crap, it's your birthday today?!" gift to an ex.
Extremely solid phones, from my experience. Having been a Jr./Sr. High schooler through most of the models, I put them to the test. In fact, on multiple occasions I had pulled out my SKII and played hackysack with it. I also sprayed it to the point of immersion with a hose one day when doing yardwork and the lil guy just kept on goin. The 3 was a bit finicky, but I enjoyed making custom skins for it. From what I hear the slide was a piece so I'm glad I avoided that one.
My phone prior to the SK4G was the G2, and I have given a fair comparison in another thread so no need to do that here. I see the strengths in the G2 and if I were not a SK guy I would have been extremely happy.
Now, the only reason I've ever had to hate on the SK is the false market that they attempt to sell it to. When the 1st gen hiptop released I was 13. For as cool as it was, it was underpowered for me. They have continued to give me outdated or slow hardware ever since. I would easily have spent more money every single time for a phone that would actually hold it's own amongst the big boys for a while. Looking at this years model - Hummingbird... 512mb ram... 3mp camera with no flash .. really?
However, I love the design. I've been spoilt for fast typing keyboards (On previous models I would out-type the screen and have to wait a good 10 sec to watch it get typed out. Heck, I've written 3-4 page reports on the LX during the class it was assigned). I've been spoilt for multitasking via jump shortcuts. Bringing android into the mix was a great move.

Tsloble said:
I have owned every SK since the B&W, with the exception of the slide, and having given the 3 immediately away as an "Oh Crap, it's your birthday today?!" gift to an ex.
Extremely solid phones, from my experience. Having been a Jr./Sr. High schooler through most of the models, I put them to the test. In fact, on multiple occasions I had pulled out my SKII and played hackysack with it. I also sprayed it to the point of immersion with a hose one day when doing yardwork and the lil guy just kept on goin. The 3 was a bit finicky, but I enjoyed making custom skins for it. From what I hear the slide was a piece so I'm glad I avoided that one.
My phone prior to the SK4G was the G2, and I have given a fair comparison in another thread so no need to do that here. I see the strengths in the G2 and if I were not a SK guy I would have been extremely happy.
Now, the only reason I've ever had to hate on the SK is the false market that they attempt to sell it to. When the 1st gen hiptop released I was 13. For as cool as it was, it was underpowered for me. They have continued to give me outdated or slow hardware ever since. I would easily have spent more money every single time for a phone that would actually hold it's own amongst the big boys for a while. Looking at this years model - Hummingbird... 512mb ram... 3mp camera with no flash .. really?
However, I love the design. I've been spoilt for fast typing keyboards (On previous models I would out-type the screen and have to wait a good 10 sec to watch it get typed out. Heck, I've written 3-4 page reports on the LX during the class it was assigned). I've been spoilt for multitasking via jump shortcuts. Bringing android into the mix was a great move.
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You interested in buying my sidekick id or 08(needs new battery) real cheap? Lol jk.
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G2x vs. Amaze vs. Sensation

I know this has been debated before but I am strongly considering getting rid of my G2x. I am just wondering what is the best of the 3 I listed. I know the Amaze has a 1.5 ghz dual core, the Sensation a 1.2 ghz dual core, and the G2x a 1 ghz dual core tegra 2. I know the G2x has the best graphics power (is this correct?) I just want stability and speed. Any suggestions here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Go try them all out in store and see for yourself.
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d12unk13astard said:
Go try them all out in store and see for yourself.
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Understood. But I was wondering if anyone had hands-on experience with custom ROM's etc. I know custom ROM's/kernels can completely change the speed/stability/ease of use of a phone...G2x prime example.

G2x probably has the best development community out of the 3. Amaze has the fastest CPU clock speed, but we can easily achieve that with custom kernels, and the .5GHz isn't much of a difference. Only thing you'd really want is that 1GB of RAM which isn't all that important. G2x is also the best looking out of the 3, and probably has the best display. (IPS-Display)

FatalityBoyZahy said:
G2x probably has the best development community out of the 3. Amaze has the fastest CPU clock speed, but we can easily achieve that with custom kernels, and the .5GHz isn't much of a difference. Only thing you'd really want is that 1GB of RAM which isn't all that important. G2x is also the best looking out of the 3, and probably has the best display. (IPS-Display)
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Thanks for reply. I wonder with the other 2 though if they experience the sleep of death aside from other G2x bugs we've seen.

I recently decided to get the Amaze, while deciding to keep the G2x as a backup phone.
Both devices are similar in terms of performance. I actually achieved higher benchmarks at 1.2 ghz on an overclocked G2x than I do on the Amaze at 1.5 ghz. However, in terms of real world use, I find the Amaze to be extremely quick and more reliable. There isn't much lag and Sense is beautiful when it's running on a capable device. Gaming performance is similar on both phones, but the G2x gets the slight edge because a lot of Gameloft's games don't seem to be supported on the Amaze yet. I also found that GTA 3 ran a little more smoothly on the G2x.
In terms of the physical design of the phone, I prefer the weight, larger screen, and overall build quality of the Amaze. The disclaimer here is that it's all very subjective. Perhaps you won't like the raised screen or the hefty weight of the device. Up to you to decide. You'd have to physically hold one to make a fair decicion. I can, however, say that if you like taking pictures, the Amaze camera is far superior. There is virtually no shutter lag, a plethora of options to play with, and pictures just come out looking far better than they do on the G2x.
The Achilles’ heel of the Amaze is its development situation. The phone can be rooted and the bootloader unlocked, but as of now, there is no S=off. Additionally, HTC has not completely opensourced everything (WiFi drivers). Therefore, the process for flashing roms is a little more complicated than it is on the G2x. Kernels on the Amaze generally are not flashed through recovery; kernels are flashed using a PC, an adb connection, and a kernel flashing tool. I don't find the process particularly difficult, but it requires more reading and understanding than flashing on the G2x does.
The developers on the Amaze are great, but there aren't that many and you're mostly restricted to Sense. Obviously I like Sense or I would not have purchased the phone, but if you hate it--stay away.
If you don't mind an inferior camera and more active development is a big deal to you, then the Sensation would probably be a good fit. Once its overclocked, it's very similar to an Amaze in real world use.

xxtruplayaxx16 said:
The Amaze is beautiful.. I like the design of the g2x myself but I'm surprised anyone would think it looks better than the Amaze
Anyway, S2 (because of development) >= Amaze > G2x > Sensation IMO
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Completely agree.
Also RAM is very important. If you think it isn't your wrong. There is a reason why the Amaze can take photo's like a mad man yet the G2x is really slow at it. The RAM acts as buffer. Without it your files will just write to the sd card which is no where near as fast as RAM. If your not doing much on your phone and your running a bare bones launcher then yeah it's not needed.

There's no way in hell the G2x has the best development community... The Sensation is by far the best development phone out of the 3.
Personally? I'd chose the Sensation. Reasons are that it's a bigger 4.3'' qHD screen as opposed to the G2x's smaller 4'' HDPI screen. And the phone itself feels better than the G2x or Amaze. G2x is nice, but I like the slight curved feel of the Sensation, and the Amaze just feels like a brick. Didn't like it at all.
With the Sensation you get more choices and more ROM's/kernels. You get stable CM7's (maybe CM9 soon?), stable variety of Sense ROM's and a stable version of MIUI.
With the G2x, you get stable CM7, an iffy MIUI that's mostly stable but has it's own share of problems, and a stable LG based GB ROM; but we all know that LG based ROM sucks as LG's **** code gives it un-fixable bugs.
As for the Amaze, while it's an upgrade over the Sensation it still doesn't truly have S-OFF and development for that phone is stagnant to say the least. All you have are Sense ROM's and I don't really see that changing in the foreseeable future unless a whole bunch of devs suddenly get that phone and does something with it.
So for me it's the Sensation followed by the G2x, then the Amaze in last place out of the 3.
I love my G2x, but I'd probably rather have the Sensation as it has more RAM, a bigger and higher res screen, FAR more development and most importantly a processor in which the company actually releases the source unlike nVidia.
Good luck man.

I have the G2X Amaze and the SGS2, and i have to say that the Amaze had the best user experience.
If you're looking at development side though, the Sensation would be the one to go with at the moment. But the Amaze development is starting to pick up pretty fast.

pettigrew95 said:
I know this has been debated before but I am strongly considering getting rid of my G2x. I am just wondering what is the best of the 3 I listed. I know the Amaze has a 1.5 ghz dual core, the Sensation a 1.2 ghz dual core, and the G2x a 1 ghz dual core tegra 2. I know the G2x has the best graphics power (is this correct?) I just want stability and speed. Any suggestions here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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To bad your going to miss out. The Galaxy S2 is $79 after $50 MIR for the next few hours on t-mobile.com

mackster248 said:
There's no way in hell the G2x has the best development community... The Sensation is by far the best development phone out of the 3.
Personally? I'd chose the Sensation. Reasons are that it's a bigger 4.3'' qHD screen as opposed to the G2x's smaller 4'' HDPI screen. And the phone itself feels better than the G2x or Amaze. G2x is nice, but I like the slight curved feel of the Sensation, and the Amaze just feels like a brick. Didn't like it at all.
With the Sensation you get more choices and more ROM's/kernels. You get stable CM7's (maybe CM9 soon?), stable variety of Sense ROM's and a stable version of MIUI.
With the G2x, you get stable CM7, an iffy MIUI that's mostly stable but has it's own share of problems, and a stable LG based GB ROM; but we all know that LG based ROM sucks as LG's **** code gives it un-fixable bugs.
As for the Amaze, while it's an upgrade over the Sensation it still doesn't truly have S-OFF and development for that phone is stagnant to say the least. All you have are Sense ROM's and I don't really see that changing in the foreseeable future unless a whole bunch of devs suddenly get that phone and does something with it.
So for me it's the Sensation followed by the G2x, then the Amaze in last place out of the 3.
I love my G2x, but I'd probably rather have the Sensation as it has more RAM, a bigger and higher res screen, FAR more development and most importantly a processor in which the company actually releases the source unlike nVidia.
Good luck man.
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qHD isn't that much of a difference, especially because the G2x has a slightly smaller screen. And you mean to tell me that every single LG-based G2x ROM is bad? Take a look at Bionix, Weapon G2x, and Ultimate G2x... Those ROMs are amazing. CM7 and MIUI are virtually bug-less, and run amazingly well. This just my opinion though.

Thanks for all the replies guy this is really tough...I think I may have narrowed out the Amaze due to lack of S-OFF and quiet dev community. Although, the S2 just got thrown into the mix haha. The S2 seems like a far superior device and I found this article regarding the graphics power of the S2:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4760/arms-mali400-mp4-is-the-fastest-smartphone-gpufor-now

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the T-Mobile Galaxy S2 uses the Adreno 220 GPU as opposed to the Mali-GPU. Still an awesome phone regardless though.

cmlough said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the T-Mobile Galaxy S2 uses the Adreno 220 GPU as opposed to the Mali-GPU. Still an awesome phone regardless though.
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You are right. haha
The T-Mobile Galaxy SII and the Amaze 4G is pretty much the same exact phone...

FatalityBoyZahy said:
You are right. haha
The T-Mobile Galaxy SII and the Amaze 4G is pretty much the same exact phone...
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Good to know thanks...maybe I'll just stick it out with the G2x.

Just made this decision myself and I stuck with my g2x cause of this community and the overall feel of the phone. My only problem will be fixed when my extended battery gets here
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pettigrew95 said:
Good to know thanks...maybe I'll just stick it out with the G2x.
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Ya wait awhile til a worthy upgrade is available, IMHO either the HTC edge, galaxy s 3 or T-Mobile G3(hey they better make 1!)
1. 4-4.5 HD screen
2. 16-32gb internal storage
3. 8-12mp camera
4. 28nm krait,tegra3,or new exnyos soc
5.1-2gb ram
6.Great dev support on xda( this means waiting sometimes before you buy)
7.Can't be an LG phone lolololol ( I still love nvidia)
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FatalityBoyZahy said:
qHD isn't that much of a difference, especially because the G2x has a slightly smaller screen. And you mean to tell me that every single LG-based G2x ROM is bad? Take a look at Bionix, Weapon G2x, and Ultimate G2x... Those ROMs are amazing. CM7 and MIUI are virtually bug-less, and run amazingly well. This just my opinion though.
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Yeah I've tried all of the stock based ROM's. I'm actually one of the lucky few that have never had problems with my G2x. Only problem I've had with stock ROM's is that the browser would FC once in a while, but that's just because of LG. But I've read many that have plenty of problems with stock ROM's, and devs like Lotherius says it's just LG's fault. Can't be fixed. CM7 was a godsend and literally saved this phone IMO.
4.0" IPS is nice, but I like a 4.3" with higher res better.
Anyways, I'd recommend the G2x to anyone. But since the OP is asking between the 3, I'd definitely get the Sensation since I think that phone will last the longest. Development wise that is.
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Keep your g2x for now and wait till next year maybe earlier for the tmo 1st quad core phone .unless you can burn money, I can't and don't want to pay $100's .
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