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to all you Sense UI haters...

HTC evo can run (out of the box) stock android w/ nexus launcher and all.
http://htcdev.net/topic/11584-sprint-evo-4g-working-without-sense-ui/
I don't know if this has been posted before, since I'm in a rush to prom I havent been able to check. anyways, htc has done another thing right. yay! haha

1. There is already a topic about this.
2. There is NO WAY to run the phone without Sense UI without installing a custom ROM. Sense UI is highly integrated into the OS. The video that you see is the EVO running launcher2.apk instead of Rosie.apk (the Sense home app). This is nothing new or exciting, so I wish people would stop making damn topics about it.

Hey man, you gotta understand i didnt search and couldnt search. Also, i know you cant completely replace sense ui on a stock rom but some people like the launcher2.apk better. So sorry for double posting bud
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Sense FTW. Me no likey regular android homescreen . Ah well. If you wanna fly MiGs.. You fly MiG Alley. If you want HTC sexiness, you gotta get Sense

Sense FTW. Me no likey regular android homescreen . Ah well. If you wanna fly MiGs.. You fly MiG Alley. If you want HTC sexiness, you gotta get Sense
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I always used to hate sense, but then after looking very close at this phone, I have to admit i love it now! Just getting more and more psyched for this phone every time i see it. I think if everyone took their time to look in to sense ui, they would end up liking it a lot like myself.

TickLe MY eLMo said:
I always used to hate sense, but then after looking very close at this phone, I have to admit i love it now! Just getting more and more psyched for this phone every time i see it. I think if everyone took their time to look in to sense ui, they would end up liking it a lot like myself.
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For many this is true. For others, I suspect there are multiple motivations for wanting a pure android. I suspect most fall into one or more of 3 categories.
They may want pure as the driven snow Open Source Android
They might want as few of what they don't need as possible for increased resources
They simply don't like the HTC and it's prettiness
To each his own. As long as you're on Android, we are on the same side. Viva La Evo! Viva Android! Death to Apple!

I like Android Sense. Makes the transition from WM6.5 Sense a lot smother for me

I dont think anyone would deny that fact that Sense looks amazing. I just want to shut it off to save my battery. From what i hear, sense is quite the juice hog.

gmelchert said:
Hey man, you gotta understand i didnt search and couldnt search. Also, i know you cant completely replace sense ui on a stock rom but some people like the launcher2.apk better. So sorry for double posting bud
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what do you mean you couldn't search? at this moment their are only 4 threads in this section, all you had to do was open your eyes.

slacker76 said:
I dont think anyone would deny that fact that Sense looks amazing. I just want to shut it off to save my battery. From what i hear, sense is quite the juice hog.
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You won't save much battery if you turn Sense off. Unless you just have pages full of self updating widgets or something.

love the 2.1 UI.im GOING for that instead of the SENSE

Yeah... I'm looking forward to a stock froyo EVO as soon as possible... best of luck to those with the skill to make it happen

Or at least sense with the stock 2.2 launcher. I actually like the default contacts and messaging apps for sense. Not to mention the clock is way better too, and camera has tap to focus. One thing AOSP has for me though is the look, the white and orange are very appeasing for some reason.

im jus hopeing HTC keeps their promise of updating the SUPERSONIC in july to FROYO 2.2(love the UI).gonna love the phone even more.

GHOST99K said:
im jus hopeing HTC keeps their promise of updating the SUPERSONIC in july to FROYO 2.2(love the UI).gonna love the phone even more.
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I don't think they promised anything at any date, other than that most handsets made after 2010 will get 2.2... no specific dates were set..maybe i am wrong and please link me if i am..

Nvm found the answer.

setite said:
... If you want HTC sexiness, you gotta get Sense
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hhmm, goofy quote, I'll say that.
HTC Sense is "attractive", but not for everyone.
The first time I played with Sense was on a Hero ROM on my G1. Then again with the Desire ROM on my Nexus.
Even with the Nexus speed increase, it was definitely NOT sexy.
I really like the Plain Jane look of Android™ raw.
setite said:
For many this is true. For others, I suspect there are multiple motivations for wanting a pure android. I suspect most fall into one or more of 3 categories.
They may want pure as the driven snow Open Source Android
They might want as few of what they don't need as possible for increased resources
They simply don't like the HTC and it's prettiness
To each his own. As long as you're on Android, we are on the same side. Viva La Evo! Viva Android! Death to Apple!
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si si, Viva la EVO y la Android, death to Apple?
But I like picking on my iPhoney friends!!!

No Sense UI, Stock Gingerbread ?

Hey guys long time since I've been here since moved on to an iPhone 4 however played on a Desire S and am seriously tempted.
I was just wondering because my only quibble is Sense UI, I hate it!
I just prefer stock android.
Is there a way to get rid of Sense UI or possibly a ROM that is just Gingerbread on it's own no custom UI on the top that I could flash the phone with ?
Thanks in advance for any responses.

you can try ADW launcher or there is a CM7 port which has everything other than bluetooth working you can flash that

Wingzer said:
Hey guys long time since I've been here since moved on to an iPhone 4 however played on a Desire S and am seriously tempted.
I was just wondering because my only quibble is Sense UI, I hate it!
I just prefer stock android.
Is there a way to get rid of Sense UI or possibly a ROM that is just Gingerbread on it's own no custom UI on the top that I could flash the phone with ?
Thanks in advance for any responses.
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Check out the threads in the development forum
The CM7 or MIUI roms are probably what your after.
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Literally just want stock android 2.3 like you get on the Nexus S.
Not sure if it is possible though.

Wingzer said:
Literally just want stock android 2.3 like you get on the Nexus S.
Not sure if it is possible though.
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I'm tempted to say why buy a htc
Device if you dislike sense so much, as you can probably tell already I personally love it
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ben_pyett said:
I'm tempted to say why buy a htc
Device if you dislike sense so much, as you can probably tell already I personally love it
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The construction of the phone and the screen, the size and just the device.
I just like it.
All Samsung phones are just plastic slabs, HTC seam to be the only quality phone maker at the moment.
Desire S with stock Gingerbread like the Nexus One or S would be perfect for me.

Just flash cm7 from the development section, that's essentially stock.

hookguy said:
Just flash cm7 from the development section, that's essentially stock.
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Used it before was painfully slow and ate battery like nothing on my Nexus S.

Wingzer said:
Used it before was painfully slow and ate battery like nothing on my Nexus S.
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i thought cm7 was faster than stock & had better battery consumption
i have never used official cm7 before (have used some ports) so i maybe misguided

kartkk said:
i thought cm7 was faster than stock & had better battery consumption
i have never used official cm7 before (have used some ports) so i maybe misguided
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I've tried the current CM7 port and its certainly faster than stock and even faster than LBC.....I believe that they're still looking into improving the battery issues....but great progress is being made with the rom in a very short amount of time....so watch it ....

To think that Sense is the best overlay UI on any Android device not to mention Sense 3.0 that I have right now with Virtuous rom. Why hate it?
Or you could just flash TouchWiz UI on DesireS, though I haven't tried it.

I just want to know if it's possible to have a Desire S without Sense UI ?

Its possible, and someone will make it eventually, its my plan after finishing the cyanogen port

superkid said:
Its possible, and someone will make it eventually, its my plan after finishing the cyanogen port
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Good to hear man!
I'm still on the fence on the Desire S, time will tell.

why don't you consider the incredible s? It seems to have a lot more support. Not that i wouldn't want you to get the desire s

Well, the incredible s is a great phone.. but cost more money and is bigger

superkid said:
Well, the incredible s is a great phone.. but cost more money and is bigger
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& the desire S has unibody aluminium & feels nicer to hold

Yeah pretty much I'm not too fussed for a 4" screen it's ok as long as the resolution is high enough.
But yeah the construction and feel of the phone is a real strong point for me.

[Q] Sense 3.0 on Infuse?

This is probably a noob question, but I guess i'm just not sure how these things work. Why isn't it possible to fully extract HTC sense 3.0 from an HTC phone, and replace whatever is on a Samsung. I'm assuming that hardware and software are somewhat linked so that maybe one of the answers. But it would be nice to see HTC sense on the beautiful SuperAmoled Plus 4.5" Sammy Screen. I guess my question is why do I have to resort to a theme to make my Infuse look like sense instead actually having it.
ps. I know some of you will tell me to just get an HTC, but I prefer Samsung for many reasons, and i just like a few of the 3D Animations that Sense offers, including the weather.
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sshukrun said:
This is probably a noob question, but I guess i'm just not sure how these things work. Why isn't it possible to fully extract HTC sense 3.0 from an HTC phone, and replace whatever is on a Samsung. I'm assuming that hardware and software are somewhat linked so that maybe one of the answers. But it would be nice to see HTC sense on the beautiful SuperAmoled Plus 4.5" Sammy Screen. I guess my question is why do I have to resort to a theme to make my Infuse look like sense instead actually having it.
ps. I know some of you will tell me to just get an HTC, but I prefer Samsung for many reasons, and i just like a few of the 3D Animations that Sense offers, including the weather.
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HTC hacked up too much stuff in the low-level frameworks to make this even remotely easy. Even if it were possible it would be buggy as hell.

Entropy512 said:
HTC hacked up too much stuff in the low-level frameworks to make this even remotely easy. Even if it were possible it would be buggy as hell.
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So what would happen if I tried to flash a Rom made for an HTC, or try to flash an HTC Kernel. Would it just not work, or would it brick my Infuse?

sshukrun said:
So what would happen if I tried to flash a Rom made for an HTC, or try to flash an HTC Kernel. Would it just not work, or would it brick my Infuse?
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You wouldn't exactly brick it since you can use the Ultimate Unbrick to restore it to stock but the ROMs wouldn't work and most likely the kernels prolly wouldn't either

it just wouldnt boot up at all. lol.
heres what you CAN do if you want some of that HTC Sense. FAKE the whole thing.
get a launcher that allows you to chnage the dock bar. i believe that "he launcher" has several options to choose from.
then you can go over to the UOT kitchen and load up your framework-res.apks and choose the HTC Sense icons they have there. they look pretty legit. then just flash the, to your phone. then for the widgets, just download some from the market.
the you go. your Faux-Sense is made.
thank you. im rolling out. peace.

Lp sense actually works really nicely and theres agile lock, for the sense 3.0 lock screen but its a bit inconsistent.
any who thanks for answering my questions!
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sshukrun said:
So what would happen if I tried to flash a Rom made for an HTC, or try to flash an HTC Kernel. Would it just not work, or would it brick my Infuse?
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It would "softbrick" - hardbricking is nearly impossible on our phones.

Hard Bricking is impossible with the unbrickable Mod

GoSooners345 said:
Hard Bricking is impossible with the unbrickable Mod
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Why! This is so old..
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[Q] Now that I'm rooted...rom time!

Now that I'm rooted (thanks to all those involved), I want to get all decked out with a custom kernel/rom/all that. I can see that there are quite a few roms available. I don't suppose there's really anything that compares and contrasts them? Or an easy way to find them all? I tried searching for [rom] and it wasn't able to handle that.
I'm really digging Sense, and I recall seeing that there was a rom (maybe more than one?) that had Sense 3.0?

All the ROMs are listed in the development section.. Take a look at this thread for some good ROM recommendations http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1256017
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flu13 said:
Now that I'm rooted (thanks to all those involved), I want to get all decked out with a custom kernel/rom/all that. I can see that there are quite a few roms available. I don't suppose there's really anything that compares and contrasts them? Or an easy way to find them all? I tried searching for [rom] and it wasn't able to handle that.
I'm really digging Sense, and I recall seeing that there was a rom (maybe more than one?) that had Sense 3.0?
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We do have a full pure 3.0 ROM that was a wip but the dev got like hella busy working 80+ hours a week so it took a backseat so he could relax, but there are also modded sense 2.1 ROMS depending on what your looking for the 2 we have both have Sense 3 elements but are not full sense 3, one of them is mikshifted-g(some sense 3 elements) and the other is supreme sense (3.0 rosie and widgets)both of which have their own look and feel but are the same base ROM
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strapped365 said:
one of them is mikshifted-g(some sense 3 elements) and the other is supreme sense (3.0 rosie and widgets)both of which have their own look and feel
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Any chance you could expand on this? I don't even know what's different in Sense 3, I just know that 3 is higher than 2.1, so it has to be better, right? I'm going to try to find threads on these roms and read up on them, but any comparison you can give from actual experience or working knowledge would be appreciated.

flu13 said:
Any chance you could expand on this? I don't even know what's different in Sense 3, I just know that 3 is higher than 2.1, so it has to be better, right? I'm going to try to find threads on these roms and read up on them, but any comparison you can give from actual experience or working knowledge would be appreciated.
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MikshiftedG- has Sense 3.0 messaging,lockcreen,the newest market that let's you plus1 things, has lots of extra quick settings,music widget if there are more ill be back to edit this post
Supreme Sense- is based off mikshifted G so it has the same market and all the quick settings and has Sense 3.0 messaging, weather,music,twitter3d,friendstream3d,lockscreen,Rosie(carousel),people widget 3d, message widget 3d, bookmark3d,htcclock3dwidget, if there is more i remember ill edit this too its early and i was up late making some changes lol anyways mikshifted/supreme offer up the most features out of our sense based ROMS, and they have better perfomance because they are odex and not deodex
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Fantastic, thanks.

MT4GS HTC Sense 2.1 ROM + 3.0 features (i.e Lockscreen, weather videos, etc.)

Can I ask for an HTC Sense 2.1 rom? I really find the Sense 3.0 rosie a hassle and the carousel, though pretty cool, gets annoying when I need to quickly scroll to a certain homescreen. Also I prefer the smooth basic screen transitions of Sense 2.1 as opposed to the 3D effect transition on Sense 3.0 roms.
Actually, IMO, the best rom would be an HTC Sense 2.1 with Sense 3.0 features (lockscreen mainly) fusion. Can anyone make it happen? (aka Undeadk9)
FOR A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT I'M SAYING, here's a Tmobile G2/HTC Desire Z running an HTC 2.1 base+3.0 rom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ-kNW-nGFA

Ummm no. Sense 3.0 is so much better. No dev would do that. It's not something a large group of people would use.
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Undeadk9 said:
Ummm no. Sense 3.0 is so much better. No dev would do that. It's not something a large group of people would use.
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You're right but I just want to make sure: Is it possible to downgrade our MT4GS's Sense 3.0 to Sense 2.1? If so, how? (I'd like to design a custom rom myself )

You would need to find a phone compatible with our device. I'm thinking the MT4G or Desire HD and port it to Doubleshot.
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From my developmental tests from Sense 2.1- Sense 3.0 on the HTC HD2 and Desire HD,
I realized that it's possible to port the Sense 3.0 rosie to a Sense 2.1 rom. I'm wondering if it's possible to port the Sense 2.1 rosie to our MT4GS's Sense 3.0?

Sense 2.1 sucks compared to 3.0 use undead sensless rom u wont be dissapointent
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I could probably do that, but I only make ROMS I intend on using, I'm pretty busy with school and work, but If I have a free weekend I might give it a try. However I don't think it would be worth it, a lot of features would be cut, since I wouldn't spend time optimizing it for the MT4GS, just the basic 2.1 ROM.

Sinfamy said:
I could probably do that, but I only make ROMS I intend on using, I'm pretty busy with school and work, but If I have a free weekend I might give it a try. However I don't think it would be worth it, a lot of features would be cut, since I wouldn't spend time optimizing it for the MT4GS, just the basic 2.1 ROM.
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Thanks dude, I appreciate it alot man. And I know what you mean about busy. 5 AP classes + a job leaves very little free time, let alone the fact that you have other stuff to do. But if you could get the basic Sense 2.1 rosie and perhaps provide me tips on how to implement the widgets (especially the clock widget, it's basically the trademark of Sense haha), that would be all I'd need.
Also, couldn't you literally just replace the Rosie from a MyTouch4g/DesireHD sense 2.1 rom, as well as the other htc widgets as Seo did to bring a Sense 3.0 port to Sense 2.1 roms?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1062962
The reason I want this is simply because I hate the carousel of Sense 3.0 (it still lags occasionally), but love the widgets.
I simply don't like the features of LPP or ADW because, in those launchers I can't use Sense widgets...

Anthonayy said:
Thanks dude, I appreciate it alot man. And I know what you mean about busy. 5 AP classes + a job leaves very little free time, let alone the fact that you have other stuff to do. But if you could get the basic Sense 2.1 rosie and perhaps provide me tips on how to implement the widgets (especially the clock widget, it's basically the trademark of Sense haha), that would be all I'd need.
Also, couldn't you literally just replace the Rosie from a MyTouch4g/DesireHD sense 2.1 rom, as well as the other htc widgets as Seo did to bring a Sense 3.0 port to Sense 2.1 roms?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1062962
The reason I want this is simply because I hate the carousel of Sense 3.0 (it still lags occasionally), but love the widgets.
I simply don't like the features of LPP or ADW because, in those launchers I can't use Sense widgets...
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The carousel lags? Apparently you never flashed my sense on crack rom. I never got any lag at all.
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Undeadk9 said:
The carousel lags? Apparently you never flashed my sense on crack rom. I never got any lag at all.
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You're right I haven't tried it yet. I'll give it a shot sometime later. Too lazy to s-off and sort it out. I just hate the 3d flip animation, I like the smooth screen transitions that were on the older Sense rosies.
I'm still contemplating whether I want this phone or return and exchange for a Sensation. Of course either way, it's Sense 3.0 carousel.

Anthonayy said:
You're right I haven't tried it yet. I'll give it a shot sometime later. Too lazy to s-off and sort it out. I just hate the 3d flip animation, I like the smooth screen transitions that were on the older Sense rosies.
I'm still contemplating whether I want this phone or return and exchange for a Sensation. Of course either way, it's Sense 3.0 carousel.
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KEEP IT. The Sensation is a piece of crap, I worked for T-Mobile and we have returns on them more than anything. They overheat, the touchscreen is highly unresponsive, and the screens look mediocre... Even after installing custom ROMs they still have issues.

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KEEP IT. The Sensation is a piece of crap, I worked for T-Mobile and we have returns on them more than anything. They overheat, the touchscreen is highly unresponsive, and the screens look mediocre... Even after installing custom ROMs they still have issues.
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Yea, but there's so many devs for the Sensation, I wish our MT4GS had more...
Oh and btw, those devs just ported over the HTC Amaze 4G's (aka MT4GS's) camera to their Sensations. WOOW is all I can say.
Plus, with the second coming of smartphones in the HTC Amaze and SGSII, there'll be even less reason for future devs to work on this phone.
Gotta admit though that I like the hardware keyboard as an additional option for typing. It may be crappy compared to the G2, but I've never used a slider-phone before.
And, I hate the designs of the Amaze and GSII, they're even more curvy than the MT4GS and Sensation, lol.
Sorry...to get back on topic, Undeadk9, would it be much simpler to port the Sense 2.1 rosie over onto a Sense 3.0 rom? Rather than modding an entire rom? And is it as easy as I think it is?

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KEEP IT. The Sensation is a piece of crap, I worked for T-Mobile and we have returns on them more than anything. They overheat, the touchscreen is highly unresponsive, and the screens look mediocre... Even after installing custom ROMs they still have issues.
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I agree. Keep the phone. Plus this cpu is meant to clock at 1.5ghz. The sensations is right where its suppose to be. Plus this device has a way better processor. And the keyboard is a huge plus.
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In another phone, you can just trick Rosie into thinking it's running on a Sense 2.1 device and it will run in 2.1 mode. However, I don't think it's possible with the native MT4GS Rosie since it's specifically compiled for us/TMO. I could be wrong though, worth decompiling it and taking a look at it.
I wouldn't run Sense 2.1 though. That's boring.

Or maybe you could exchange it for a desire hd or mytouch 4g since you're looking for older software. there's not going to be a whole lot of demand for older software on a newer device unfortunately.

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Or maybe you could exchange it for a desire hd or mytouch 4g since you're looking for older software. there's not going to be a whole lot of demand for older software on a newer device unfortunately.
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That's exactly what I don't want, as you can see the MT4GS is SUPERIOR to those devices. But I really prefer the simplicity of the old sense, and combined with a 1.2 GHz dual-core processor, it would be 1000000x faster + no lag. Why would I want to go back to the "Stone Age" so to speak?
Really and truly it's the carousel that bothers me, if I didn't have to deal with the carousel on Sense 3, it would be just fine.
And let's just put it this way: Sense 2.1 is exactly what Sense 3.0 is WITHOUT the carousel. So for those of you who don't prefer the carousel, this is what you want. Of course there's the lockscreen, but I'm talking purely on the basis of the rosies.

Sorry for the double post, my previous one was loaded.
I'll just say that Ima try and put one together myself.
I also posted a video on what I mean by Sense 2.1+3.0. (Check first post)
I also posted a poll to gather the opinion of users in this forum.
If there are too many No's, then I will stop this thread from further discussion.

So you just want the sense 2.1 interface but with sense 3.0 basically. Why don't you try a new launcher?

Anthonayy said:
You're right I haven't tried it yet. I'll give it a shot sometime later. Too lazy to s-off and sort it out. I just hate the 3d flip animation, I like the smooth screen transitions that were on the older Sense rosies.
I'm still contemplating whether I want this phone or return and exchange for a Sensation. Of course either way, it's Sense 3.0 carousel.
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"Too lazy to s-off and sort it out..."
But you're willing to "...design a custom rom myself"?

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"Too lazy to s-off and sort it out..."
But you're willing to "...design a custom rom myself"?
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All of this nonsense because you dislike the 3.0 carousel? Im sorry but you have lost your mind. And your to lazy to s off? Its a 5 min process Thats completely automated and pain free. But yet you want to design a rom which could take days maybe weeks? All Im seeing is a huge lack of common sense.
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