My exchanged phone was older - Captivate General

I got my phone from Amazon. After it started displaying random shutdowns, I decided to exchange it for another within the 30 days period. What did I get? A phone with an earlier built and original firmware. I think I just received a reconditioned one.
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I would not put it past AT&T. I am pretty sure that in the fine print it says that if you opt to get a new/different phone within that 30 day period they can send you a reconditioned phone. It is the same way with insurance. Sometimes you get lucky and get a new one, but sometimes you get a "rebuilt" phone that is supposedly "just as good." It's the carrier's way of having more power over the consumer and keep their pockets full.

gerbsterkiller said:
I would not put it past AT&T. I am pretty sure that in the fine print it says that if you opt to get a new/different phone within that 30 day period they can send you a reconditioned phone. It is the same way with insurance. Sometimes you get lucky and get a new one, but sometimes you get a "rebuilt" phone that is supposedly "just as good." It's the carrier's way of having more power over the consumer and keep their pockets full.
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The OP stated he purchased it through Amazon.com.
Edit: I cant remember but doesnt amazon distribute phones through Wirefly or something like that

gerbsterkiller said:
I would not put it past AT&T. I am pretty sure that in the fine print it says that if you opt to get a new/different phone within that 30 day period they can send you a reconditioned phone. It is the same way with insurance. Sometimes you get lucky and get a new one, but sometimes you get a "rebuilt" phone that is supposedly "just as good." It's the carrier's way of having more power over the consumer and keep their pockets full.
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Within 30 days, AT&T would give a new phone. They do not give out a refurb if u r exchanging due to defective piece within 30 days.
Past 30 days, they would give a refurb. For this they would direct u to a warranty center or send by mail.
Edit: I am not sure how Amazon handles these things. Maybe u could to amazon guys or read the fine print on their exchange within 30 days terms.
If you still feel bad, cancel and return to them since u r within 30 days, and do a fresh transaction.
I took once from dell.com, and returned the phone within 30 days since I didn't like the piece. They didn't charge anything.

I can't speak for the current policy, but when I ordered mine a couple months ago, the Amazon rep I spoke with was clear in stating that they only had new units, so should an exchange be made, refurbished devices wouldn't be sent out.
This was late September, so whether or not Amazon now has refurbished units, I'm not sure.

Thanks for the replies. I can only assume that Amazon got truckloads of phones. The newer ones on top, the older ones on the bottom.
It seems that the boxes are not sealed, so that if new order comes in, they add the sim card and instructions. Then the box is sealed.
That is the only explanation that I would get for getting a replacement with 1008 built and jh6 firmware while the original new one was 1009 built and jh7. Thankfully, I knew how to use mini Kies to upgrade.

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AT&T Fuze Warranty Replacement

Anyone here got his/her Fuze replaced under warranty (not insurance) from AT&T? I'd like to know the procedure as I bought it at AT&T online store not the local one. Can I still go to a local store and ask for repair/replacement?
It's been more than 30 days and I have tried probably most of the options available. The issue is that it freezes up frequently and it mostly happens while I am using Outlook over WiFi. Either loading a message (frequently) or doing a send/receive (sometimes).
I tried removing the SD card just to make sure that it's not the card or SD driver issue, but that didn't help much. The WiFi is also spotty at best, taking more than a minute to connect when I am just couple of feet away from the router and also disconnects frequently.
I have tried several different ROMs as well, so I guess the last option is to try a different phone. My other thread with the issues is here.
TIA.
Stores don't handle warranty claims, you have to go through the telephone support or take it to a Device Support Center. If you try to go to the store, they'll just call up the warranty line and hand you the phone, so don't waste your time with a trip to the store.
rexian said:
Anyone here got his/her Fuze replaced under warranty (not insurance) from AT&T? I'd like to know the procedure as I bought it at AT&T online store not the local one. Can I still go to a local store and ask for repair/replacement?
It's been more than 30 days and I have tried probably most of the options available. The issue is that it freezes up frequently and it mostly happens while I am using Outlook over WiFi. Either loading a message (frequently) or doing a send/receive (sometimes).
I tried removing the SD card just to make sure that it's not the card or SD driver issue, but that didn't help much. The WiFi is also spotty at best, taking more than a minute to connect when I am just couple of feet away from the router and also disconnects frequently.
I have tried several different ROMs as well, so I guess the last option is to try a different phone. My other thread with the issues is here.
TIA.
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just had my fuze replaced because it was freezing. go on at&t's website and call the 800 number and tell them your issue, took 3 business days to get to me.
jackschitt28 said:
just had my fuze replaced because it was freezing. go on at&t's website and call the 800 number and tell them your issue, took 3 business days to get to me.
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What build date did you get and does it get hot when you use data like watching Cingular Video or similar?
Mine gets so hot it burned my finger and want to try to get one that doesn't have this issue(a newer build??), but not sure if they fixed it or if they all have this issue.
I work for AT&T in tech support and warrranty exchange.
After 30 days, you have to do Exchange by mail or at a device service center.
Thanks guys, I'll contact AT&T. I was hoping I don't have to send it back as I already put on an InvisibleShield screen protector. I am sure the protector will not be usable once I remove it from the device and I may have to order another one, but that's probably OK.
Another question, do I have to send it in before or I can ship it after receiving the replacement?
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What build date did you get and does it get hot when you use data like watching Cingular Video or similar?
Mine gets so hot it burned my finger and want to try to get one that doesn't have this issue(a newer build??), but not sure if they fixed it or if they all have this issue.
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Mine gets a bit warm too when I have been browsing for few minutes (15+) or when it's downloading lot of emails. But it's never too hot to touch. Main issue is freezing while loading an email in Outlook and I am forced to reset.
I received the replacement Fuze on Friday and have been trying it for last 2 days with the stock ROM with only few apps (like CorePlayer, Resco Explorer etc) from the microSD card. It has the same problem and I had to reset it at least 6 times already.
What does it mean? I thought it'd be pretty unlikely for 2 phones exhibiting the same issues, no? Could it be the card?
Thanks.
i replaced my first fuze... just make sure to flash it back to factory rom and radio and if u have security unlocked your fuze... DO NOT and i mean DO NOT forget to PM olipro on how to security re-lock your phone. other than that it was a smooth transaction for me... i paid for next day shipping, got it the next morning.. same afternoon mailed my old phone back and that was it.
You said you tried several different roms... well that eliminates the software. And it is happening across 2 different phones...
So it could only be 2 things:
Problem with all Fuze phones
OR
Problem with something you are doing/using
I usually don't have to reset my FUZE often... nor have I heard of others having a big problem. So the problem has to be something on your end.
What programs are you installing? Remove your microSD card... maybe Email and/or Browser cache is being saved on the microSD card and causing a bottleneck = freezing.
Yes, since the new phone has everything stock and just a few apps, I'm quite sure it's not the software or else the forums would have been flooded with such complaints. Only thing common in these phones was the card. This A-Data microSD seems to be fine too when I connect it to my PC, but who knows.
I have installed a new ROM (Da_G clean ROM) on my first phone and every app (Spb Mobile Shell, CorePlayer, TorchButton, pcShutXP, Resco Explorer, Skyfire, Adv Confg) I want and running it for last couple of hours without the card. So far so good. I have opned at least 10 HTML emails in Gmail, Outlook & Hotmail without a crash. If it goes fine for a day, I guess we'll have an answer.
Only thing I am missing with this ROM is the HTC gesture in Outlook, Explorer etc. I tried the Da_G version of HTC gesture but it doesn't work. Thanks.
at&t thoughts & general warranty policy...
general policy:
w/in 30 days- store will handle returns- you get a brand new fuze.
after 30 days- tech support/warranty exchange for new or (more likely) refurbished units. I have recieved many refurbished units in the past with no problems. After 3 warranty /exchages, at&t generally offers you a different phone all together.
Make sure you return your device to them as it was originally sent to you. I found this out after returning a Nokia N-75 (att edition) with the non-branded Nokia update.... they don't like it very much and you get charged $200+. This means, PM Olipro if you have paid for security unlocking, reflash stock ROM, and I have to admit, I would try my best to have the stock SPL on there too....
Thanks friends. Sorry, I forgot to mention that I never got it security unlocked. So, I just need put the stock SPL back but now I am wondering what's the point in returning the old one as the new one is no better. It hung once today and I didn't even use it that much. So I'll return the new one and wait for 6.5 release to see if that improves anything for me.
i ordered mine online, it was freezing and such, i took it into the store before the 30 day mark and they exchanged it.
I think I should have done that too. Instead, I was trying different ROMs and software and finally when I contacted AT&T, 30 days were over. For me even the new one wasn't any better (probably they sent a refurb), so I returned it yesterday and kept the old one.
There's not much you can do about general bugginess in the phone - this is a characteristic of pretty much all smartphones. When I had the 8525 I must have exchanged it 5-6 times until I finally learned my lesson. From what I have heard Palm OS has the same problem. Even when I did a one-month trial of an iPhone I had to soft reset a lot. It's a bit like Windows 3.1 or 95/98 - it just has to be reset every so often or else it crashes. I have heard that blackberries (at least non-Storm blackberries) are better but I have never had one.
What really sucks about AT&T warranty service is that they don't ship internationally (as I just discovered). So, the ungrateful f$#%!s have taken my $39.99 a month for the last four months without my using a single minute, but they won't ship my replacement phone to me here in Israel. So much for an "international warranty."
If you are curious, my screen died, but that's the subject of another thread
I've got a small crack across the top right hand corner of my screen. I called today to make a warranty claim and she said that was physical damanage and they dont cover it. Which didnt make sense to me as I pay the 5 dollars a month for insurance on it and they said they would cover physical damage. That's niether here nor there though.
So I explained the screen cracked and she said she would talk to a warranty guy he said Nope wont cover it so she sent me to the insurance department saying I would have to pay 50 dollars for a replacement as part of the stipulations of the insurance I have. Okay kind of making sense.. 50 dollars I can handle not a big deal. The insurance lady then tells me that I have to pay 125 dollars for the phone. WHAT!? I was just told it would cost 50 dollars AND when I signed up I was told it would be 50 dollars. This didnt make any sense to me. She said 85-90 percent of their high end phones only cost 50 dollars to replace with the insurance but the fuze costs 125 dollars cause its a VERY high end phone. Grrrr I was specifically told it would be 50 by the people at the ATT store. Now granted they may not have known any better but if an employee promises you something I think the company should suck it up and stick to that deal.
SO I now have a fine working phone with a crack on the screen. They're telling me that it comes with a a year warranty which apparently doesnt cover anything and with the extra 5 dollars a month I pay for insurance ($65.00 a year tax inc) I still have to fork out a ton of cash.
Has anyone else experienced this with ATT? Any advice? I told them to hold on with the claim as I wasnt about to have them bill me an additional 125 dollars.
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Aaron McCarthy said:
I've got a small crack across the top right hand corner of my screen. I called today to make a warranty claim and she said that was physical damanage and they dont cover it. Which didnt make sense to me as I pay the 5 dollars a month for insurance on it and they said they would cover physical damage. That's niether here nor there though.
So I explained the screen cracked and she said she would talk to a warranty guy he said Nope wont cover it so she sent me to the insurance department saying I would have to pay 50 dollars for a replacement as part of the stipulations of the insurance I have. Okay kind of making sense.. 50 dollars I can handle not a big deal. The insurance lady then tells me that I have to pay 125 dollars for the phone. WHAT!? I was just told it would cost 50 dollars AND when I signed up I was told it would be 50 dollars. This didnt make any sense to me. She said 85-90 percent of their high end phones only cost 50 dollars to replace with the insurance but the fuze costs 125 dollars cause its a VERY high end phone. Grrrr I was specifically told it would be 50 by the people at the ATT store. Now granted they may not have known any better but if an employee promises you something I think the company should suck it up and stick to that deal.
SO I now have a fine working phone with a crack on the screen. They're telling me that it comes with a a year warranty which apparently doesnt cover anything and with the extra 5 dollars a month I pay for insurance ($65.00 a year tax inc) I still have to fork out a ton of cash.
Has anyone else experienced this with ATT? Any advice? I told them to hold on with the claim as I wasnt about to have them bill me an additional 125 dollars.
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Hi Aaron,
My friend is an expert at dealing with customer support and their bull$hit. From him, I have learned that you should just keep telling them what you were promised, regardless of what the "contract" may be. Tell them that their integrity rides on the matter of it, etc and if they don't fold ask for a manager or someone else that can actually help you out and give you waht you were promised. just don't give up and be persistent with them without getting upset or angry (try not to) and just complain until they give in. If you've been with them for a while, just tell them that you've given them sooo much money and you're a loyal customer, etc. Good luck!
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Warranty Exhange

Does anybody know if AT&T is starting to exchange the fuze for the new tilt 2. I'm talking insurance exchange or warranty exchange. Anybody know something about it, or they still have the fuze on stock?????
wisocabeza said:
Does anybody know if AT&T is starting to exchange the fuze for the new tilt 2. I'm talking insurance exchange or warranty exchange. Anybody know something about it, or they still have the fuze on stock?????
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They still have the Fuze in stock :/
I called so many times, it's not even funny.
Here's something that might pique your interest. Couple of minutes ago, I saw this thread about people impatiently waiting to exchange their Tilt's to Fuze's. The Fuze was available in the Warranty Department approximately three weeks after it was officially launched.
It was an interesting thread to read. It seemed like many were purposely destroying their Tilt's to get them warrantied to Tilt's again, just to "extend" the warranty period since each warranty carries 90 days. The "best method" suggested was removing the USB cable while updating, and then playing dumb about it, lol.
fuze has a 1 year warranty. let me know if anyone has figured out a way. >.>
It's a nightmare trying to get a replacement through Warranty. I'm on my fourth Fuze now, because I have had legit warranty claims. They decided to upgrade me to a Tilt 2, sent me seed stock instead of a new phone kit, so I have a Tilt 2 without a battery or software. I called about that, they were supposed to send me out my new phone kit with a Tilt 2 in it yet again, sent me a Pure instead. Now I'm waiting for them to send me a battery for the Tilt 2 that I already have cause they don't have any new phone kits in stock for the Tilt 2. Though, I'm kind of tempted to try out the Pure, just because I can't hear anything on my Fuze as is and have some very important stuff coming up with work where I need to be able to hear customers. Ugh, AT&T can be a nightmare to deal with. I'm actually really tempted to switch to Verizon, Sprint, or T-mobile right now.
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It's a nightmare trying to get a replacement through Warranty. I'm on my fourth Fuze now, because I have had legit warranty claims. They decided to upgrade me to a Tilt 2, sent me seed stock instead of a new phone kit, so I have a Tilt 2 without a battery or software. I called about that, they were supposed to send me out my new phone kit with a Tilt 2 in it yet again, sent me a Pure instead. Now I'm waiting for them to send me a battery for the Tilt 2 that I already have cause they don't have any new phone kits in stock for the Tilt 2. Though, I'm kind of tempted to try out the Pure, just because I can't hear anything on my Fuze as is and have some very important stuff coming up with work where I need to be able to hear customers. Ugh, AT&T can be a nightmare to deal with. I'm actually really tempted to switch to Verizon, Sprint, or T-mobile right now.
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I'm on my 4th Fuze as well. How did you get them to even send you the Tilt 2? They just kept on saying it's not available yet.
Just got the right CSR that put it through, and you have to be very nice to them. Just asked about comparable phones, he suggested it - it has to be their idea and recommendation. Still trying to get a battery from AT&T, they say they're out of stock, Warranty called a couple stores close by couldn't find one, but on the website it doesn't say they're out, but it's unlikely they'd send me a new one, heaven forbid. I've got three phones in my possession right now, my screwed up Fuze, a new in the box Pure and the Tilt 2. I'm worried they're going to screw up and bill me for all of them full price, even though they have assured me that won't happen. When I worked in collections years ago for them, saw that happen all the time, even when the phones were sent back in time, it was always a pain to sort out.
Being a ex at&t store manager let me tell you how the XBM (exchange by mail) process works.... If you have a defective device that is within its warrant period which is 1 year from the date that you started your contract at&t will switch it out at no cost to you. The phone cannot be water damanged, or physically damanged (there pretty strict about this). I have had customer who there definition of physical damange was different from what at&t thought and they ended up getting charged full price for the phone. so be very careful. They don't usually take anything that has been dropped or have deep scratches. Basically has to look ok where they can sell it again as a refurb or something. Secondly the only way they will send you out a different device is if you had to same problem with your current one. Its call the 3 strike policy. You can't just ask them for a new one you kinda have to play it off like you can't stand the fact that you keep getting messed of phone of that model. Lastly they will give you options to pick from whatever they have in stock that is the best match for what you have. At times they might not have anything and have no choice but to upgrade you to a newer one. I seen it happen a lot where they just upgrade you to a new device. When the 8300 curve came out a lot of ppl i know was calling in lying to say it was messed up just to get the gps verison 8310 which came out 4 months later. I would't advise anyone to do this unless it is a real problem with the phone. They keep records of every return that you do and can terminate your service if they feel like your trying to cheat them. The tilt two is a great phone tho hard to choose. There's some third party website that i might can direct you too if you want a tilt for a good price but you have to be able to upgrade and sign a two year contract. I got mines for free and just had to sign a contract that's it. And it at&t prorating terminations fees it wasn't big deal for me. thanks
and if i have insurance on the account, i pay $5 monthly, does they still have the fuze on stock.
Chances are that they have plenty of refurbished Fuzes in stock. It's not wise to try to scam the system just to get a new phone to have a new phone. It just makes it harder for people with legit reasons to get theirs replaced.
If you want to do a insurance claim instead of a warrant exchange they are two different things. The insurance is handled by a third party called asurion or something like that. Where warranty exchange is done by at&t themselves. If you decide to go with the insurance claim you will have to pay a $125 insurance deductible which is non-refundable. If you want to do the XBM then you wont have to pay anything as long as your phone is not water or physically damanged. If it is like stated above you WILL be charge full price for the phone they will read you a agreement of the terms and condition before they send out your phone. For both of the process above you have to send back your original device unless for the insurance its lost/stolen. Even if you have insurance and your phone is messed up you still would have to pay the $125.
and yes they more then likely have a lot of fuze in stock still. It would take at least a month or so before they will be getting the tilt 2. They will have some in stock but it would be for ppl with the tilt 2. At&t also has a policy where if its under 30 days you have to take it back to where you got it from before they will exchange it thru the mail. So it would be at least 20 days or so of the release date of the tilt 2 before at&t worries about exchanging that out for ppl with the tilt 2.
cant sweet talk em? "hey baby, lookin mighteh fine... fine as wine *wink*"
At&T Warranty Exchange Unfair
la0xboix7o4 said:
Being a ex at&t store manager let me tell you how the XBM (exchange by mail) process works.... If you have a defective device that is within its warrant period which is 1 year from the date that you started your contract at&t will switch it out at no cost to you. The phone cannot be water damanged, or physically damanged (there pretty strict about this). I have had customer who there definition of physical damange was different from what at&t thought and they ended up getting charged full price for the phone. so be very careful. They don't usually take anything that has been dropped or have deep scratches. Basically has to look ok where they can sell it again as a refurb or something. Secondly the only way they will send you out a different device is if you had to same problem with your current one. Its call the 3 strike policy. You can't just ask them for a new one you kinda have to play it off like you can't stand the fact that you keep getting messed of phone of that model. Lastly they will give you options to pick from whatever they have in stock that is the best match for what you have. At times they might not have anything and have no choice but to upgrade you to a newer one. I seen it happen a lot where they just upgrade you to a new device. When the 8300 curve came out a lot of ppl i know was calling in lying to say it was messed up just to get the gps verison 8310 which came out 4 months later. I would't advise anyone to do this unless it is a real problem with the phone. They keep records of every return that you do and can terminate your service if they feel like your trying to cheat them. The tilt two is a great phone tho hard to choose. There's some third party website that i might can direct you too if you want a tilt for a good price but you have to be able to upgrade and sign a two year contract. I got mines for free and just had to sign a contract that's it. And it at&t prorating terminations fees it wasn't big deal for me. thanks
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My husband’s Motorola Tundra was in his pocket. The phone started to burn him while it was in his pocket. There were no incoming calls. He immediately removed his phone and set it down for about thirty minutes. He tried to power the phone up but to no avail. I called AT&T to exchange the phone since it was only about eight months old.
I was told by the Warranty Exchange department that if there were any liquid damage the warranty would be void. Upon looking at the litmus indicator I noticed there were pink speckles. I did not want to pay for a phone that was obviously defective and not abused by my husband.
Therefore, I called AT&T again and explained again that the Tundra was not exposed to water. The representative told me that nothing could be done by AT&T until my next billing cycle when the new phone would be charged to my account. I was told not to worry and go ahead and send the phone in and a Commitment Call would be made to clear up the situation on the next billing cycle if AT&T did not hear from me.
I did receive the new Tundra and returned the damaged phone. The damaged phone was returned to me indicating that the liquid damage indicator was removed. I DID NOT REMOVE THE INDICATOR! I was charged $210.
In the meantime, I called Motorola. The Motorola technician told me that the litmus paper could have been activated by a leaky battery.
I telephoned AT&T today and the $210 was reduced by half. I spoke with three levels of representatives indicating that I did not feel paying anything was acceptable by me based on the principle of this matter. Our original Motorola Tundra was only eight months old and obviously defective. I feel that AT&T is basically accusing me of being dishonest because the liquid damage indicator had pink speckles. What other alternative did I have but to send the phone in since we use it in our business. I accepted the reduction for the cost of the new Tundra with hesitation. It is not so much the money but the principle of this issue. I am a very dissatisfied customer.
They're horrible about running over people. I never understood their reasoning... I would see people get full out replacements for nothing, when they hardly ever paid their bill and had like ten charged off accounts, then on the other hand, you would have customers that had been with them ten years through the various names and such, always paid on time, they wouldn't do anything for them. Dollar is number one for AT&T, as with any company, but their practices are kind of screwy, you are at the mercy of whomever you speak to. I got lucky I got a noob. He wasn't burned out yet and I was very patient and nice to him, he genuinely wanted to help. If you get someone that's been there for years, they've been long hardened and are difficult to deal with - they just want to meet their stats and get their shift over with. Call center location can also have something to do with it, people are different in different areas. I would have customers call up, ask which call center I was located and hang up if it wasn't the one they wanted. Then again, I would have people ask which call center I was located at wanting to kill me, too... Anyway... The people don't generally don't care what's right, it depends on how you deal with them, you have to kill them with kindness, you're at their mercy, not really AT&T's. I would still fight for that full credit, too, but kill them with kindness. Customer care can credit more than collections can, and are more apt to hand it out. If you have to go through Warranty for it, that one's generally alot harder, they tend to be a pain in the arse.
I got Warranty to credit me $50 bucks today for a battery which I had to order through the site and they reimbursed me since they couldn't obtain one for me. One day soon hopefully I'll be using my Tilt 2, it sure is a purty paper weight right now.
I'm actually waiting for the Tilt 2.
I'm on the 4th FUZE, and the last time I spoke to them. They said the next time I run into an issue, they should be able to swap out the FUZE for another phone.
I'm still having the same issue with the 4th Fuze, tons of dropped calls.
I'm holding off calling because I really want the Tilt 2. From what I have been told by people on this forum, and the people at AT&T usually the excahnge group gets refurb phones in about 30 days after the release date.
Now the confusing part is... would the release date be the 8th, when the phone hit the Premiere site, or the 18th when it hit the retail channels.
I'm waiting patiently...
Well if i was at&t i wouldn't have to worry about any XBM until 20 days after the release date. I would go by the 8th one b/c if ppl who had there tilt 2 for more then 30 days and have a warranty issue with them at&t would have to switch them out since it is past the 30 day period and under the 1 yr warranty. I would wait a lil longer to be on the safe side unelss your happy with gettin another fuze.
la0xboix7o4 said:
Well if i was at&t i wouldn't have to worry about any XBM until 20 days after the release date. I would go by the 8th one b/c if ppl who had there tilt 2 for more then 30 days and have a warranty issue with them at&t would have to switch them out since it is past the 30 day period and under the 1 yr warranty. I would wait a lil longer to be on the safe side unelss your happy with gettin another fuze.
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I'm FUZE'd out.
Maybe i'll call the 10th and see if they have any TILT2 in stock.
I have had six (6) warranty exchange Fuzes over the last four months. This was for a legit warranty claim.
During my call last week the CSR suggested I get a Tilt2 instead of another Fuze.....then the CSR found out that the Tilt2 was not in stock. The CSR had no idea when the Tilt2 would be in stock and suggested calling each week on Wednesday.....why wednesday?
Anyway, A brand new Pure appeared at my door step today......I called ATT about the appearance of a new phone. Apparently, the CSR sent me the Pure as a replacement device.
I don't want this device and will be returning it for a Tilt2, when they have it in stock.
Molal said:
I have had six (6) warranty exchange Fuzes over the last four months. This was for a legit warranty claim.
During my call last week the CSR suggested I get a Tilt2 instead of another Fuze.....then the CSR found out that the Tilt2 was not in stock. The CSR had no idea when the Tilt2 would be in stock and suggested calling each week on Wednesday.....why wednesday?
Anyway, A brand new Pure appeared at my door step today......I called ATT about the appearance of a new phone. Apparently, the CSR sent me the Pure as a replacement device.
I don't want this device and will be returning it for a Tilt2, when they have it in stock.
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Have you called today (wednesday)?
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Have you called today (wednesday)?
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If your phone that you want is not in stock they will send you whatever that is close to it.

Returned My 2ND G2X , Now Im Stuck With Blackberry :-(

Im so depressed lol. Blackberry sucks. I remember when i use to love their phones. Now that i have been long exposed to android i dont know what to do without them. Here's my story: First G2X blew out on me during a call and i returned it. The rep in the store couldnt turn it on and try to find signs of water damage which there werent any. Second G2X had serious bleeding in the upper corner. I tried to disregard it but im very anal about my devices especially when i buy them outright. I returned it and got credit on my account that supposedly cant be touched unless i notify tmobile. My friend works for tmobile and told me a new shipment is coming in a little after Mothers day. So ill try my luck again and hopefully get a good unit. I dont really suggest anyone buy one via craigslist or ebay but as you can see most sellers are not accepting returns. Wish me luck guys.
i work at a tmobile store and we get shipments every business day. no deliveries saturday/sunday
dont know why they wouldn't be getting anything til after mothers day. plus we only get notifications 4 days ahead of time of what the shipment contains.
charlieb620 said:
Im so depressed lol. Blackberry sucks. I remember when i use to love their phones. Now that i have been long exposed to android i dont know what to do without them. Here's my story: First G2X blew out on me during a call and i returned it. The rep in the store couldnt turn it on and try to find signs of water damage which there werent any. Second G2X had serious bleeding in the upper corner. I tried to disregard it but im very anal about my devices especially when i buy them outright. I returned it and got credit on my account that supposedly cant be touched unless i notify tmobile. My friend works for tmobile and told me a new shipment is coming in a little after Mothers day. So ill try my luck again and hopefully get a good unit. I dont really suggest anyone buy one via craigslist or ebay but as you can see most sellers are not accepting returns. Wish me luck guys.
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Did you use a debit card or cc? They dont give you money back? I'm thinking about returning mine... They give you store credit back?
was this a corporate owned location?
we always give full refunds within 14 days of purchase for contract extensions and 30 days of purchase for full-price. if it was through a third party retailer it would make much more sense as to why they only give you credit.
it was a tmobile seller not a tmobile retailer. they said i can use the credit to go to a actual tmobile store to purchase it. im waiting because i dont want any problems. i know all cell phones have issues but i would rather have a issue that can be fixed by a soft mod or something.
You should wait for the Samsung Galaxy S2. The super amoled plus screen should be awesome. I miss my Samsung Vibrant screen, but I'm happy with my LG G2X overall.
grenademasta said:
You should wait for the Samsung Galaxy S2. The super amoled plus screen should be awesome. I miss my Samsung Vibrant screen, but I'm happy with my LG G2X overall.
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Samsung amoled only has better blacks.... g2x has amazing color and screen... better them mt4g way better then hd7, evo is out of conversation .... super amoled is nice but those phones feel cheap and touch wiz is ridiculous
although
samsung said no more locked bootloader
still
for now
I say g2x and sensation are best choices
sent from my G2X with no regrets
suhailtheboss said:
was this a corporate owned location?
we always give full refunds within 14 days of purchase for contract extensions and 30 days of purchase for full-price. if it was through a third party retailer it would make much more sense as to why they only give you credit.
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is that true about the 30 days for full price purchasers? or is that california only? i bought mine online from tmo. i never heard of this policy. can more than one person confirm this please?
Just got G2X for the wife, fast phone. There is slight bleeding but very minor and how many G2x I have to go through for it to be perfect.
I'm waiting for SGS2 myself. Superamoled has more pop to its colors. G2X has more natural white. Superamoled + should be better and bigger screen.
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is that true about the 30 days for full price purchasers? or is that california only? i bought mine online from tmo. i never heard of this policy. can more than one person confirm this please?
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as far as i know the 30 day policy for full price is nation-wide in corporate retail stores.
it prints out the policy on every single one of our receipts on the bottom, and i'd imagine it would do that in the whole country as well.
My story:
My phone had bleeding/rebooting issues so I decided to exchange.
Called T-Mobile and explained the issues.
CCR told to pack it and send it to T-Mobile Return Center and call them as soon as I shipped it with the tracking number and they will send me the exchange right away. (cool)
I went to my UPS online account, created a shipping label (with tracking number).
Called T-mobile again and told them:
- I just sent my defective phone back here is the tracking number ........ .
CCR started ordering my replacement (took some time, apparently was having a hard time).
At the end, CCR said to me: Okay I had to cancel your order and we will reimburse your money in a couple of days, and we will need to make a new order. (thats when it came to me)
- Can I bye it at my local store so if it has any problem I can exchange in-store?
CCR: Sure thats very smart of you.
No restocking fee, they will pay my shipping.
Already bought it at the store and will be sending the other one tomorrow.
- The new one has the same bleeding problem, same poor signal strengths. At least I haven't had any reboot YET. Will wait for a couple of days without rooting to make sure it is not a rooting issue.
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as far as i know the 30 day policy for full price is nation-wide in corporate retail stores.
it prints out the policy on every single one of our receipts on the bottom, and i'd imagine it would do that in the whole country as well.
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but this doesn't apply if i bought it online through tmo, correct?
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but this doesn't apply if i bought it online through tmo, correct?
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check your confirmation email from T-Mobile.
This is what mine says:
Return Policy
To receive a refund or exchange, you must return the device within 20 days of the date of your purchase (30 days in California). All original contents must be undamaged and in good working condition, and you must provide your proof of purchase. All devices received as part of a promotional offer (for example, "Buy One Get One Free," etc.) must be returned and some limited edition and other devices may not be refunded or exchanged. You may also be required to pay a restocking fee.
To complete a return or exchange please follow these directions:
Return all devices in their original packaging, including accessories and literature.
Obtain a Return Form and shipping information by visiting T-Mobile online at www.T-Mobile.com/returnupgrade or by contacting Customer Care at 1-800-937-8997.
Send the device via a traceable carrier (such as UPS, FedEx, or DHL), retain shipping information for your records, and insure the package for the full value of the device.
Returns must be received by T-Mobile within 20 days from the date of your purchase (30 days in California).
Accessories: To receive a refund of any accessories purchased, you must return the accessories within 30 days of purchase, along with your proof of purchase.
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thanks. i think alot of people are under the assumption it's 14 days. thanks for pointing that out. i have 10 days after today, got mine last tuesday. mine has slight bleed in top right corner only.room has to be dark to see it. and even with gingerbread black status bar, the clock will hide it. or should. i really hate to return it. it's a great phone. and too many exchange nightmares out here. and....nothing better coming out anytime soon. sensation looks nice.....nice and locked though. what would you do? i think i'm just gonna keep it and keep bugging lg. i started a thread in their forum. and i've been emailing them. no response yet. i'm telling them i demand they personally replace my screen with a non defective one. we'll see how far that goes.
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thanks. i think alot of people are under the assumption it's 14 days. thanks for pointing that out. i have 10 days after today, got mine last tuesday. mine has slight bleed in top right corner only.room has to be dark to see it. and even with gingerbread black status bar, the clock will hide it. or should. i really hate to return it. it's a great phone. and too many exchange nightmares out here. and....nothing better coming out anytime soon. sensation looks nice.....nice and locked though. what would you do? i think i'm just gonna keep it and keep bugging lg. i started a thread in their forum. and i've been emailing them. no response yet. i'm telling them i demand they personally replace my screen with a non defective one. we'll see how far that goes.
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keep us updated.
i work in a tmobile store and always check every g2x before it goes out. pretty much every single one i've seen has had some sort of bleeding (opened at least 15 boxes in store)
so honestly i think the best bet is to get a replacement or repair done by LG directly instead of just exchanging it for another one.
my g2x also has a bit of bleed, but i'm going to wait till CM7 comes out to see if its noticeable or not.
everyone should keep in mind that these phones do come with a 1yr manufacturers warranty, and the screen bleed issue does fall under that warranty. so even if you miss your tmobile exchange window, you're still covered.

T-Mobile Exchanges

I was told I cannot exchange my Xperia Z3 at a store even if I ordered there because it came by mail. Call TMO customer care and tell them to cross ship you a new one. They will ask if you want warranty or new one. Say you want brand new, if they ask for $50 restocking refuse it like I did and they will agree after a few mins. They will refund your tax charge and charge it again as a fresh order.
Having said that, it is on backorder at TMO, waiting for tracking still. I re ordered a new one yesterday.
Just wanted to let people know so they do not get charged extra or get a refurbished device.
Why did you want to exchange it? What was wrong?
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Why did you want to exchange it? What was wrong?
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I think I'm going to exchange mine too!! The glass on the back panel is all scratched up and I took it out of the box that way!! Do you think they will refuse me because It's just cosmetic??
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Why did you want to exchange it? What was wrong?
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I had severe light bleed at night on right side in intervals along the frame, and frame was slightly indented towards the display near the power button.
HaileyB said:
I think I'm going to exchange mine too!! The glass on the back panel is all scratched up and I took it out of the box that way!! Do you think they will refuse me because It's just cosmetic??
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I doubt they will refuse, as this is supposed to be a brand new device.
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I doubt they will refuse, as this is supposed to be a brand new device.
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Called T-Mobile, the box it came in was all dented up and the bottom corner of the phone is raised up. Also have an issue with terrible battery life and calls just failing constantly ( I live in a total LTE area for T-Mobile)
They are overnighting me a new one after I called support, got transferred 3 times but was within my "buyers remorse period" so I will be sent a brand new phone.
Got a confirmation that the re-order was processed just waiting on shipping info.
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Called T-Mobile, the box it came in was all dented up and the bottom corner of the phone is raised up. Also have an issue with terrible battery life and calls just failing constantly ( I live in a total LTE area for T-Mobile)
They are overnighting me a new one after I called support, got transferred 3 times but was within my "buyers remorse period" so I will be sent a brand new phone.
Got a confirmation that the re-order was processed just waiting on shipping info.
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Good you got that over with, I just gave mine to UPS and returned home. I had to calmly argue with the lady rep on TMO for like 5 minutes to forgoe stocking charges as its not our fault if a brand new device is defective. She talked to her manager said they would waive it. Make sure to check on that.
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I was told I cannot exchange my Xperia Z3 at a store even if I ordered there because it came by mail. Call TMO customer care and tell them to cross ship you a new one. They will ask if you want warranty or new one. Say you want brand new, if they ask for $50 restocking refuse it like I did and they will agree after a few mins. They will refund your tax charge and charge it again as a fresh order.
Having said that, it is on backorder at TMO, waiting for tracking still. I re ordered a new one yesterday.
Just wanted to let people know so they do not get charged extra or get a refurbished device.
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Do you have to return your phone right away or can you wait until you receive the new one?
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Do you have to return your phone right away or can you wait until you receive the new one?
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They can do cross shipping, meaning they will send you one before you send yours, however the phone is on backorder again so you will have to ship yours out otherwise you will get double charged if it does not reach in time. This is because it is considered a return and repurchase.
I called and the lady was very nice ( a first) She said that she would send me and email with the new phone info within 24 hours and that she understood my frustration. She also said that they would change me the taxes for the new phone but credit me the taxes for the first one No mention of a restocking fee or the phone being backordered. So lets hope TMo doesn't find a way to screw this one up!
Do you have to pay for the return shipping and insurance?
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Do you have to pay for the return shipping and insurance?
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I didn't UPS did not tell me if insurance was paid for by TMO, crossing my fingers.
Inc-Roid said:
Do you have to pay for the return shipping and insurance?
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Update. MyTmobile Account shows that they 1. have my shipping information wrong. and 2. Are going to charge me $25.00 for shipping the new phone. Uhh, no. I'm going to call tomorrow. Silly me for thinking Tmobile would do anything correctly.
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Update. MyTmobile Account shows that they 1. have my shipping information wrong. and 2. Are going to charge me $25.00 for shipping the new phone. Uhh, no. I'm going to call tomorrow. Silly me for thinking Tmobile would do anything correctly.
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Overnight shipping charge, I got that too.
To all shipping phones back to t-mobile. Make sure you keep all tracking info. You should also add insurance. I returned an iphone 6 plus a month ago and they still have not found it. I am arguing with them on the eip which they charge me monthly even though i do not have the phone. Again, make sure you track add insurance and signature before shipping back.
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To all shipping phones back to t-mobile. Make sure you keep all tracking info. You should also add insurance. I returned an iphone 6 plus a month ago and they still have not found it. I am arguing with them on the eip which they charge me monthly even though i do not have the phone. Again, make sure you track add insurance and signature before shipping back.
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I'm having the same issue, btw insurance means nothing because item shows as received.
so things to look out for are...
- Light leak
- purple/Bad/Noisy Camera Performance
- red spot on Camera
- cosmetic damage
...anything else?
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so things to look out for are...
- Light leak
- purple/Bad/Noisy Camera Performance
- red spot on Camera
- cosmetic damage
...anything else?
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Well mine if you looked very carefully you could see its frame was indented towards the LCD near the power button, leaving less gap there, just imagine if it cracked there on a hot day because the glass expanded.....
I am sending back the original phone I pre-ordered. TMO sent me a shipping label and all I have to do is drop it off at UPS. Instead of having them ship me a new one I just went into the store and bought a new one. They will refund me the charges of the first phone when they receive it in the mail. What I noticed in doing this however is that the phone I purchased in store was of much better quality. The cosmetics of the phone were seamless, no light leaks, no purple camera and the battery seems to last WAY longer than it did on the one I pre-ordered. This makes me wonder if TMO rushed manufacturing the Pre-order devices and that is why there are so many issues with them? Either way, I am SOO happy I went and bought a new one in store. It's fabulous!!
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I am sending back the original phone I pre-ordered. TMO sent me a shipping label and all I have to do is drop it off at UPS. Instead of having them ship me a new one I just went into the store and bought a new one. They will refund me the charges of the first phone when they receive it in the mail. What I noticed in doing this however is that the phone I purchased in store was of much better quality. The cosmetics of the phone were seamless, no light leaks, no purple camera and the battery seems to last WAY longer than it did on the one I pre-ordered. This makes me wonder if TMO rushed manufacturing the Pre-order devices and that is why there are so many issues with them? Either way, I am SOO happy I went and bought a new one in store. It's fabulous!!
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I called my nearest store, no stock, they said maybe tomorrow. I guess I will wait for tracking and stick to the mail order.
I'm glad you got a good one, enjoy!

Gear S3 Warranty Replacement?

Who has had to do a replacement? Samsung is telling me that I have to send in my $350 watch and wait for a couple weeks (at best) for them to fix it and send it back. Has anyone that's done this had a similar experience? Can I get them to send a replacement and me send this one back? To me, this is completely unacceptable. I've never had to send back an expensive piece of tech and wait for them to fix THEIR problem.
Nope that's not how it generally works. I've had several electronic items repaired under warranty before from different companies and they always require you to send it in for repair. They will then repair it and send back the original item instead of a new one. The only time complete replacement no questions asked happens is when the store you bought it from agrees to replace it and deals with the OEM themselves afterwards.
I had battery issues on my bluetooth Gear S3 Frontier (India) & had to take it to the service center where they basically replaced the battery & then the motherboard to fix the issue. I kinda ended up with a new watch in the same old body. The whole process took 31 days. No problems since except still waiting for Tizen 3.0 update.
Boo... Yeah, I guess the only devices I have had mess up on me are phones, and whatever carrier I had at that time just sends a new/refurbished one. Good to know.
Sending mine in tomorrow... Tizen 3 started causing overheats and it won't fully charge either. I bought an LG Watch Sport to test in the meantime . Might be time to say bye to Sammy watches. If I can stay away from this beautiful watch and its UI.
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Someone asked if anyone had done a warranty replacement. I actually did mine today. For those that have followed my posts, my S3 Frontier watch did a Tizen 3 update which completely screwed my Bluetooth and Wireless which rendered the watch useless with a phone as it could not connect. Having phoned Samsung Customer Services, they were very prompt. They arranged to pick my watch up today, and the provided all the packaging. All I had to do was hand the watch to the UPS rep. They had a fancy box which protects the watch.....gave me a receipt, and told me I would have it back next week. I am impressed so far by their customer service. I will let you know how long it takes before I get it back.
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Someone asked if anyone had done a warranty replacement. I actually did mine today. For those that have followed my posts, my S3 Frontier watch did a Tizen 3 update which completely screwed my Bluetooth and Wireless which rendered the watch useless with a phone as it could not connect. Having phoned Samsung Customer Services, they were very prompt. They arranged to pick my watch up today, and the provided all the packaging. All I had to do was hand the watch to the UPS rep. They had a fancy box which protects the watch.....gave me a receipt, and told me I would have it back next week. I am impressed so far by their customer service. I will let you know how long it takes before I get it back.
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Curious, did you buy this from Samsung, Verizon, AT&T or Best Buy??etc..
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raghu102 said:
I had battery issues on my bluetooth Gear S3 Frontier (India) & had to take it to the service center where they basically replaced the battery & then the motherboard to fix the issue. I kinda ended up with a new watch in the same old body. The whole process took 31 days. No problems since except still waiting for Tizen 3.0 update.
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I had the exact same repair. Too bad Samsung just doesn't take responsibility and notify all users of the widespread problems and offer the repair/replacement.
Warranty Replacement for Gear S3 Frontier
It does NOT matter where you bought your watch at all. The S3 has 2 years manufacturers warranty on it, which covers ALL OTA updates, as they are responsible for the updates.
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It does NOT matter where you bought your watch at all. The S3 has 2 years manufacturers warranty on it, which covers ALL OTA updates, as they are responsible for the updates.
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Thanks for this information as I was not aware that it worked that way... I always try and buy direct from SAMSUNG but in this case I purchased from Verizon as they had one in stock.
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I'm still not happy with Samsung for pushing out updates (and not pulling them) that are having ill effect on people's watches. However, I have to say, they really tried hard to redeem themselves with my watch repair. I read on here somewhere that some people's watches were taking weeks to get fixed and sent back. Mine was back in my hands in 5 days. AND, they replaced the entire case except for the bottom plate for some reason. Which means I have a brand new looking watch. And I had a few scratches on it too, a couple bad ones even. I'm seriously very happy right now. I even bought an LG watch sport that was probably going to replace my frontier, and it's going back. At least Sammy is trying here.
My BT Frontier went into a reboot/freeze loop on January 5. I called the warranty department and received a ticket # on the 7th. Shipped back on the 8th. Received notification that Samsung received it on the 10th (which stated I should have it back in 5 business days). Received another notification on the 10th stating that my repair was on "temporary hold due to an unavailable part". I have not received any further updates since then. I sent an email yesterday inquiring as to status, since I hadn't heard anything in 8 days regarding a repair that was originally scheduled for five days. No answer on that yet. I guess I'll call today. So far I've been without a $350 watch for almost two weeks and have no idea when I'll get it back.
Well, after 3 successful nights in a row of charging without a problem, nor any overheats, it's doing it again... Real effing nice... I'm going to try the shutting it off before charging then seeing if it stops overheating like a couple people have reported. Otherwise, I guess I have to send it back again... All because of an update. Samsung needs to get it together!
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I called on Friday to ask about the status of my repair and was told that the repair was on hold because a replacement part was not available. So they offered me a full refund of the original purchase price (purchased through Samsung), which I accepted.
Seems odd but I guess it's easier for them to issue a refund check than to send a new Gear.
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I called on Friday to ask about the status of my repair and was told that the repair was on hold because a replacement part was not available. So they offered me a full refund of the original purchase price (purchased through Samsung), which I accepted.
Seems odd but I guess it's easier for them to issue a refund check than to send a new Gear.
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Wow, I am shocked that they did not offer to replace the watch? Did you ask if that was an option? Maybe the Gear 4 is close and they do not have enough any additional inventory on the 3 ??
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Wow, I am shocked that they did not offer to replace the watch? Did you ask if that was an option? Maybe the Gear 4 is close and they do not have enough any additional inventory on the 3 ??
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It seemed strange, but I didn't ask about a replacement because the refund seemed like a better option. I took the money and bought a brand-new one (instead of potentially getting a refurbished replacement unit) and I have a new purchase transaction so my warranty period starts over with the new one (a replacement would have still been subject to the original purchase warranty period). Win-win.
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It seemed strange, but I didn't ask about a replacement because the refund seemed like a better option. I took the money and bought a brand-new one (instead of potentially getting a refurbished replacement unit) and I have a new purchase transaction so my warranty period starts over with the new one (a replacement would have still been subject to the original purchase warranty period). Win-win.
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How long did it take for you to get refunded and in what way were you refunded? My current status for my watch says Cancel and states refund for the last 3 or 4 days but I've received no communication from Samsung about anything at this point..
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It seemed strange, but I didn't ask about a replacement because the refund seemed like a better option. I took the money and bought a brand-new one (instead of potentially getting a refurbished replacement unit) and I have a new purchase transaction so my warranty period starts over with the new one (a replacement would have still been subject to the original purchase warranty period). Win-win.
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Great point, you did the right thing!!
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I called on Friday to ask about the status of my repair and was told that the repair was on hold because a replacement part was not available. So they offered me a full refund of the original purchase price (purchased through Samsung), which I accepted.
Seems odd but I guess it's easier for them to issue a refund check than to send a new Gear.
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Wow, that's awesome! I'm surprised too at that. I would think it would cost them less to send a refurbished/whatever unit. Hopefully they'll do something surprising for me too. My watch is still overheating and not fully charging after already sending it in to be fixed...
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How long did it take for you to get refunded and in what way were you refunded? My current status for my watch says Cancel and states refund for the last 3 or 4 days but I've received no communication from Samsung about anything at this point..
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I had to call and ask. My repair status was still "on hold" pending a replacement part. When I called, they said I was approved for the refund because they didn't have a part available. Then they gave me a confirmation number and ended the call. I thought I would get an email after that, or something with further instructions or information. After a few hours of nothing, I called back, and was told that refunds are processed through a different department, and then they transferred my call to the separate department which sounded like it might be at a completely different call center. That person verified my address information, and verified that I was consenting to accept the refund. She then said it would be 7-10 days to process and deliver.
In all honesty, I don't actually have the refund check in hand yet but didn't want to wait another 7-10 days without a watch so I just went ahead and got one in anticipation of the money.
Hope that helps. Not sure if that was my experience just b/c I bought the original direct from Samsung or if that's their procedure for all refunds.
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I had to call and ask. My repair status was still "on hold" pending a replacement part. When I called, they said I was approved for the refund because they didn't have a part available. Then they gave me a confirmation number and ended the call. I thought I would get an email after that, or something with further instructions or information. After a few hours of nothing, I called back, and was told that refunds are processed through a different department, and then they transferred my call to the separate department which sounded like it might be at a completely different call center. That person verified my address information, and verified that I was consenting to accept the refund. She then said it would be 7-10 days to process and deliver.
In all honesty, I don't actually have the refund check in hand yet but didn't want to wait another 7-10 days without a watch so I just went ahead and got one in anticipation of the money.
Hope that helps. Not sure if that was my experience just b/c I bought the original direct from Samsung or if that's their procedure for all refunds.
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Yea, I just called over and did the same thing. It seems like they weren't going to reach out to let you know you had to call and accept the refund before they would do anything. No phone call, no email.

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