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I just read the galaxy tab 2 is getting the nvidias tegra 2 chip and android 3.0.
Maybe by then the gtab might be able get get the android 3.0 update.
Only time will tell.
Update: I read it on engadgets website.
The gtab will no doubt be able to run honeycomb, but we're going to have to rely on our wonderful devs to get us it (no way viewsonic does it, they've probably lost enough money as it is). I would actually rather skip 2.3 and just wait for a nice vanilla 3.0 port.
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http://phandroid.com/2011/04/14/nvidia-clears-up-tegra-confusion-no-devices-left-behind-pr-blunders/
http://briefmobile.com/nvidia-to-continue-support-on-all-tegra-devices-until-oems-drop-support
It looks like we might have jumped the gun on assuming no more support from NVidia. They have since come back and basically said they are continuing to support the hardware as far as the Manufacturer wants to go. So now it's on Viewsonic to bring us that sweet honeycomb. Additionally they stated that they are going to be helping out the developer community!!! This great news! So we should be seeing some great stuff coming!
"Finally, while we cannot support or give out third party peripheral drivers or provide the Android 3.0 source before Google does, we do want to explore whether we can assist the open source ROM makers. We will be reaching out to them today." - From official statement from NVidia on 4/13/2011
I was reading the phandroid article while I was on the can today, and it was a relief, although I kind of figured that Nvidia wasn't going to entirely cut the plug on the harmony line. Hopefully one of the manufacturers opts to support the harmony line.
beebop483 said:
I was reading the phandroid article while I was on the can today, and it was a relief, although I kind of figured that Nvidia wasn't going to entirely cut the plug on the harmony line. Hopefully one of the manufacturers opts to support the harmony line.
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Double relief? Bonus!
when do we get the drivers for Gingerbread?
rob_z11 said:
when do we get the drivers for Gingerbread?
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Who knows, the bigger question would be, "when is Google planning on releasing Honeycomb source code.. if ever"
pr0cs said:
Who knows, the bigger question would be, "when is Google planning on releasing Gingerbread source code.. if ever"
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Umm, gingerbread source has been released for MONTHS now. I am guessing you mean Honeycomb?
pr0cs said:
Who knows, the bigger question would be, "when is Google planning on releasing Gingerbread source code.. if ever"
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gingerbread has been released for months, but no driver for our chipset from Nvidia. I am worried bout getting Gingerbread fixed, and get them to agree on Honeycomb.
rob_z11 said:
gingerbread has been released for months, but no driver for our chipset from Nvidia. I am worried bout getting Gingerbread fixed, and get them to agree on Honeycomb.
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I agree.. Lets try to get a fully stable gingerbread 2.3 OS and get everyone updated to 2.3 and then while we play with 2.3 the devs can play and get the honeycomb on the way.
Good news indeed. I just bought one and was facing a dismal reality of having bought something that was already obsolete.
Yet they are slashing prices like crazy eddie
They may be supporting it, but amazon.com just released the Gtab on sale for 300 and office depot....
If people keep buying them up, then i hope the love and support continues...
I love my gtab. and nook color
I love my droid1, which incidently is going to be retired for an LG Optimus V , but only bc I find i use my tablets way more now, so i dont feel the need for a 4 inch monster phone. and I am going to try and make it work with a $40 a month Virgin mobile 1200 minute plan...
Sam
It is all in Viewsonics hands now. As long as Viewsonic keeps developing releases for the G-tablet, Nvidia will make drivers for it.
I am still not very convinced that they are going to support it. I think they are just trying to quiet us down a little by making that statement.
sambo989 said:
They may be supporting it, but amazon.com just released the Gtab on sale for 300 and office depot....
If people keep buying them up, then i hope the love and support continues...
I love my gtab. and nook color
I love my droid1, which incidently is going to be retired for an LG Optimus V , but only bc I find i use my tablets way more now, so i dont feel the need for a 4 inch monster phone. and I am going to try and make it work with a $40 a month Virgin mobile 1200 minute plan...
Sam
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2 points for the Crazy Eddie reference.
Maybe people will see there is a market for a sub $300 tablet since these and the nook color's are flying off the virtual shelves.
I've debating going to tablet/dumb phone. I gave up on smart phones for a while and went PDA/dumb phone. But that ended when I got a Treo.
Maybe an LTE Xoom and a cheapo phone is a better idea in the long run, let me price that out...
Does anyone think that maybe this a little early to rejoice yet?
I've read the articles, and my interpretation is damage control.
Both companies (Viewsonic and Nvidia) are claiming to stand by their products with one side of the mouth while contridicting it with the other. Viewsonic said it would continue to support the G tab, but due to complication and other factors doesn't know for sure whether it can get get any more updates. Nvidia is claiming to still support harmony as well as manufaturers do, but Viewsonic (a manufaturer) is claiming it isn't getting any support from nvidia. Plus the fact that other then viewsonic's name it, they haven't had anything to do with development with the G tab to date. (Rebranded a Malata Z Pad and paid TNT to supply the OS).
I for one will be seriously suprised if we can get Gingerbread drivers and figure HC may get to to where Gingerbread is now (working, no hardware acceleration) once AOSP is released.
beebop483 said:
I was reading the phandroid article while I was on the can today, and it was a relief, although I kind of figured that Nvidia wasn't going to entirely cut the plug on the harmony line. Hopefully one of the manufacturers opts to support the harmony line.
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What was the relief? The article or the cannage?
I have a feeling at the end it will be a finger pointing situation, with both manufactures blaming each other on not producing a thing. We will be entirely forgotten as soon as the next generation is out.
Hmm... let's hope we can get 3.0 for sure.
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I am still not very convinced that they are going to support it. I think they are just trying to quiet us down a little by making that statement.
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I agree.
The uproar brought by us (somewhat rabid) fans probably made the PR guys get a little quivery at the potential backlash being "hinted" at.
I'll believe this so-called continued support when I load it on my Gtab. I don't know of any real confirmation from Viewsonic that they are working on a Gingerbread release, let alone Honeycomb.
I'm sure there will be more than a few people here that will continue to talk to VS to make sure we are not forgotten. Props to tunnel visioned g tab lovers!
I'm still not sold on the whole "we must wait on Google..." excuse. That may wash for Honeycomb, but what about Gingerbread?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/android-building/T4XZJCZnqF8/WkWhGUYb4MAJ
Hi! We just released a bit of code we thought this group might be interested in.
Over at our Android Open-Source Project git servers, the source code
for Android version 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) is now available.
Here's how to get it:Follow the instructions at
http://source.android.com/source/downloading.htmlCheck out the
'ics-release' branch:repo init -u
https://android.googlesource.com/platform/manifest -b android-4.0.1_r1
That's it! However since this is a large push, please be aware that it
will take some time to complete. If you sync before it's done, you'll
get an incomplete copy that you won't be able to use, so please wait
for us to give the all-clear before you sync.
This is actually the source code for version 4.0.1 of Android, which
is the specific version that will ship on the Galaxy Nexus, the first
Android 4.0 device. In the source tree, you will find a device build
target named "full_maguro" that you can use to build a system image
for Galaxy Nexus. Build configurations for other devices will come
later.
Unfortunately we still don't have our Gerrit code review servers back
online. That remains our top priority though, and we hope to have them
back soon.
This release includes the full history of the Android source code
tree, which naturally includes all the source code for the Honeycomb
releases. However, since Honeycomb was a little incomplete, we want
everyone to focus on Ice Cream Sandwich. So, we haven't created any
tags that correspond to the Honeycomb releases (even though the
changes are present in the history.)
JBQ, on behalf of the AOSP team.
--
Jean-Baptiste M. "JBQ" Queru
Software Engineer, Android Open-Source Project, Google.
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It looks like the HoneyComb source was released also. Will this help any active HoneyComb ROMS?
Getting some real support for the Tegra in the Gtab is all I care. Might as well just skip HoneyComb and go straight to ICS.
I thought I had a much longer wait for this, can't wait for the CyanogenMod 9 builds.
Yes, it will help. I hope that people can post the rest of the ICS posts under this topic because with the release of the Honeycomb and Ice Cream Sandwich source codes noobs are gonna go crazy.
Noob here and yes I am going crazy.
Woooooo!!!!
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HwyXingFrog said:
Getting some real support for the Tegra in the Gtab is all I care. Might as well just skip HoneyComb and go straight to ICS.
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Ditto on that. Honeycomb really is (was) the Vista of Android.
well
I hope we get a smooth running build of one of the two. I am currently running Vegantab and its pretty smooth but it might freeze here and there or hang on the browser, etc.. Its still my daily runner.... So again, I simplty hope we get a very stable ROM egardless of which. Plus, as HWYxingfrog said, some actual tegra support would be great...
Woot
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ICS source released. Will gtab be getting it?
I hope so and will support the devs who are!
please keep topics like this in this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1346829
It will help....but keep in mind that there are still no hardware drivers/kernel for the Gtablet beyond Froyo (OS 2.2).
The same issues getting Honeycomb running will be present with ICS though more insight in to the OS will be available with the source. Still no Nvidia "Harmony" kernel or drivers though....
Y'all work on this...
I'll be in Skyrim!!!
I would be surprised if Nvidia released anything for the Harmony board. Considering they already have an HC 3.2 image for Ventana, my guess is this is were all their efforts will go. Afraid we will be stuck with ported versions with no supported drivers.
what happened with the .36 kernel and all the current development for gtab?? are the devs going to have to start all over? why no update for gtabcomb? it ne'er came out of beta? hmmmm...why develop for transformer and galaxy tab if;they already have stable version of os?
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what happened with the .36 kernel and all the current development for gtab?? are the devs going to have to start all over? why no update for gtabcomb? it ne'er came out of beta? hmmmm...why develop for transformer and galaxy tab if;they already have stable version of os?
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It's still being worked on. IF you read my posts in this thread I've posted basically all the recent updates the devs have made with the .36 kernel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1231577&page=10
jedibbq said:
what happened with the .36 kernel and all the current development for gtab?? are the devs going to have to start all over? why no update for gtabcomb? it ne'er came out of beta? hmmmm...why develop for transformer and galaxy tab if;they already have stable version of os?
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Allow me to disavow this uninformed complaining. Thanks for all the hard work devs.
The HC roms run pretty smoothly for the most part, is the release of the source code going to help the development of ICS roms? I know itll help but I mean will it make it easier then it was trying to get HC on the G-Tab
I remember something about nvidia/vsonic (cant remember which one) saying they wouldnt release something for honeycomb since google didnt release the source code..
So i xpect they at least release driver specs or source this time
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brettdwagner said:
Allow me to disavow this uninformed complaining. Thanks for all the hard work devs.
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not complaining just asking legitimate questions.. supposedly even though google sort of released the code for honeycomb its still up to nvidia to release drivers.without those no working ics rom for gtablet
jedibbq said:
not complaining just asking legitimate questions.. supposedly even though google sort of released the code for honeycomb its still up to nvidia to release drivers.without those no working ics rom for gtablet
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Double question marks "??" and "hmmmmm..." don't typically accompany legitimate questions.
"Why isn't this out of beta? Why are they working on other devices and not mine?"
The Transformer was stated to be one of the first devices, and definitely was told to be the first tablet to be getting ICS - how come it is just about the only android device without even a half working port yet ?
Yea I seen the videos of the devs using a sideways port, but most other devices have a public port released - whats going on ?
Is the real reason behind the Prime delay actually a huge show stopper with ICS and the Transformer range ?
sooo many problems with that. the devs are working hard to get everything working and asus has said that we will have icecream before christmas. we will probobly be the first "or seccond" tablet to get OFFICIAL ICS and also the prime isnt being delayed people need to calm down
Thanks, I`m not waiting for the Prime, just going on what I have heard, reviews from trusted testers who also confirm a wireless issue
Personally I don't care if it does or doesnt, I have the TF101, just seems like the Transformer should have been the easiest to make an ICS ROM for over devices that don't even support it
Appreciate the hard work the devs are putting in, I was just wondering if there was any link between the two
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just seems like the Transformer should have been the easiest to make an ICS ROM for over devices that don't even support it
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What makes you think it would be the easiest? Because Asus said they would release an official update to ICS before the new year? I haven't seen anything that would lead one to assume that the Transformer would be easier to port ICS to than any other device.
How do you define "devices that don't even support it" as well? Do you mean devices that the manufacturer has not released ICS for? That would be all devices (excluding leaks) apart from the Galaxy Nexus at this stage.
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just seems like the Transformer should have been the easiest to make an ICS ROM for over devices that don't even support it
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Nope. Almost all Honeycomb tablets use the nVidia Tegra 2 chipset. The ICS source that was released was for the Galaxy Nexus, which uses a TI OMAP chipset. Sure, they're both ARM devices, but there's a lot of variation within the ARM family... and nVidia are famously bad at making source code available to help people develop for their platforms.
http://www.androidcentral.com/android-403-source-code-being-pushed-aosp#comments
how does this affect the build of ics for the g2x?
Motorola Xoom was in their. Tegra 2 device... interested for sure.
Android 4.0.3 kernel sources pushed
https://groups.google.com/group/android-building/msg/ff4e97808535b396?pli=1
all this could be old news. the devs might be one step ahead on this. i just want to help out as much as i can. i hate not having any news on the devs work. i still love what you guys done so far. dont give up and dont let it die.
Xoom has a 4.0.3 port.
Xoom hw is not the same. Not the same board
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well if this post has nothing to offer to the build of ics for the g2x can the mod. please delete this post. i dont need this to take up space. thanks
i was under the impression that the source code for the tegra 2 kernel, and not the source code for ics itself was the issue.
Thats not entirely correct. ICS changed the way certain interfaces behaved especially HW accelerated graphics. Under Gingerbread, the system expected round peg and the nVidia blob provided round peg.
The problem is now ICS wants square peg. The blob we have only ever provides round peg.
There were three potential solutions to this problem:
1) nVidia releases source code and developers update as needed. This is how development works on the Qualcomm and TI driven devices which are basically fully open. This is also why you see old as dirt devices like the G1 updated far beyond their last "official" ROM.
2) nVidia releases an ICS compatible blob. This is what we can hopefully pull from the Xoom tree. It leaves us dependent on nVidia for "substantial" updates, like when interfaces change but would probably allow for a number of updates. There are Gingerbread ROMs that use Froyo kernels as an example.
3) Developers rewrite the interfaces in question to accept round peg. In the case of HW acceleration, this would mean back-porting the Gingerbread method of HW acceleration. It would work but would be labor intensive to maintain and may introduce instability or comparability issues in apps that specifically expect the ICS method. Think, for example, Swype talking about having to rewrite the keyboard to accomidate the way the screen is presented to programs.
I am not a ROM developer but I have college level programming experience and a pretty decent understanding of the technical issues here.
nVidia was never going to release their source. They have always maintained their source code as confidential and proprietary and as far as I know they've not released source for anything as far back as the Riva TNT.
In other product lines, the reason for this is that they differentiate some features through software. In essence the HW is capable of more and the software locks it away. Back in the day there was a GeForce to Quadro softmod that drastically increased performance in some programs.
I don't really know if thats the case here, nobody does. nVidia only wants you to access what they sell you not what the HW is capable of.
Personally, I hope the blob for the Xoom helps the CM team. I imagine we will know shortly.
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i was under the impression that the source code for the tegra 2 kernel, and not the source code for ics itself was the issue.
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That was the most intelligent and courteous explanation I have ever read here on xda. Now watch all the omniscient people strike it down.
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TerryMathews said:
Thats not entirely correct. ICS changed the way certain interfaces behaved especially HW accelerated graphics. Under Gingerbread, the system expected round peg and the nVidia blob provided round peg.
The problem is now ICS wants square peg. The blob we have only ever provides round peg.
There were three potential solutions to this problem:
1) nVidia releases source code and developers update as needed. This is how development works on the Qualcomm and TI driven devices which are basically fully open. This is also why you see old as dirt devices like the G1 updated far beyond their last "official" ROM.
2) nVidia releases an ICS compatible blob. This is what we can hopefully pull from the Xoom tree. It leaves us dependent on nVidia for "substantial" updates, like when interfaces change but would probably allow for a number of updates. There are Gingerbread ROMs that use Froyo kernels as an example.
3) Developers rewrite the interfaces in question to accept round peg. In the case of HW acceleration, this would mean back-porting the Gingerbread method of HW acceleration. It would work but would be labor intensive to maintain and may introduce instability or comparability issues in apps that specifically expect the ICS method. Think, for example, Swype talking about having to rewrite the keyboard to accomidate the way the screen is presented to programs.
I am not a ROM developer but I have college level programming experience and a pretty decent understanding of the technical issues here.
nVidia was never going to release their source. They have always maintained their source code as confidential and proprietary and as far as I know they've not released source for anything as far back as the Riva TNT.
In other product lines, the reason for this is that they differentiate some features through software. In essence the HW is capable of more and the software locks it away. Back in the day there was a GeForce to Quadro softmod that drastically increased performance in some programs.
I don't really know if thats the case here, nobody does. nVidia only wants you to access what they sell you not what the HW is capable of.
Personally, I hope the blob for the Xoom helps the CM team. I imagine we will know shortly.
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Absolutely right. I don't have any hope at all regarding the Xoom blobs though, as they are not the same board type, and thus likely will not be compatible.
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You are totally right but nvidia is planning to release the drivers for tegra 2 platform in Q1 of 2012, if you haven't heard it yet. Here is the link:
http://forums.developer.nvidia.com/devforum/discussion/comment/3236?Sort=popular
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ironman159 said:
You are totally right but nvidia is planning to release the drivers for tegra 2 platform in Q1 of 2012, if you haven't heard it yet. Here is the link:
http://forums.developer.nvidia.com/devforum/discussion/comment/3236?Sort=popular
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I dont see any dateline regarding nVidia will release tegra2 drivers in Q1 of 2012 here (http://forums.developer.nvidia.com/devforum/discussion/comment/3236?Sort=popular). Am I missing sth?
It says early next year.
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It says early next year.
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+1 early could mean the first half of 2012.
NVIDIA NEVER AGAIN!
By Summer.
We will have cm9 and other ICS roms probaly by the end of January-mid February. LG and Nvidia could learn much from our talented devs that do all this for free and the joy of it.
Drivers Release?
IF Nvidia is going to release the necessary drivers, does this mean we might see our camera features back again on future ICS roms?
Chinese281 said:
IF Nvidia is going to release the necessary drivers, does this mean we might see our camera features back again on future ICS roms?
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This might mean nothing unless lg releases there stuff too. Lg changed some things for this device. I'm not sure but I think lg did something weird to get the tegra 2 to work with the board they designed. nvidia said lg needs to release there changes too for what we are trying to do.
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