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720 p recording on HTC HD2

Can we record videos in 720P if we load android onto HTC HD 2 ?

To be polite NO
No because an android port is not possible yet, ( although it is linux with a pretty UI ), and our hardware cannnot do 720p unfortunately.

okay, but with the hd2's config, shouldnt it be able to do 720p video recording in its current setup itself? at 5 megapixels, the camera is decently equipped to handle 720p hd video, and of course i am guessing, but with a 1 ghz cpu, hd video should be possible?

Yes and no, its in the realm of the possible but currently not much is known about the camera, there have been tweaks in the past (like 7mp panorama shot) that turned out to not really work.
I would like to see it as much as you though, heres to hoping some of the devs want it too

all of us hd2 users have been cheated. HTC now released the same model albeit with 8mp camera, android and 720p video recording in the us. How crappy is that? and its unlikely that htc will be releasing updates for hd2. This sucks, we bought the flagship product of the company, and they dont even have the decency to release tweaks which should have been there in the first place. products that are 30% cheaper and with not even half the config can pull 720p video recording .

tamalsen said:
all of us hd2 users have been cheated. HTC now released the same model albeit with 8mp camera, android and 720p video recording in the us. How crappy is that? and its unlikely that htc will be releasing updates for hd2. This sucks, we bought the flagship product of the company, and they dont even have the decency to release tweaks which should have been there in the first place. products that are 30% cheaper and with not even half the config can pull 720p video recording .
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This one has no UMTS abilities ;-)

i don't understand why HD2 can't recording in 720p, he has the hardware capacity

Windows Mobile...
It's not a hardware limitation, the Snapdragon chip is more than capable of encoding and decoding 720p video. However, Windows Mobile does not support this in any shape or form. So as long as we're running Windows Mobile, no 720p for us, unless it's somehow hacked in...

we have 640i,
dont know about 720p. But i am pretty sure with the right camera drivers and htc hacks atleast 720i should be possible. But i guess no good the sensor of our hd2 is and if it can take so much pixels at that desired framerate

i loaded my htc hd2 with android froyo 2.2
turned on 720p recording, camera crashed
turned on any other recording format, it worked... so im guessing even if the Operating system allowed it, our hardware didnt...
on Windows Mobile, hell thats a no go for now

jcsy said:
i loaded my htc hd2 with android froyo 2.2
turned on 720p recording, camera crashed
turned on any other recording format, it worked... so im guessing even if the Operating system allowed it, our hardware didnt...
on Windows Mobile, hell thats a no go for now
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I think you are wrong. You forget that you are running a port of and OS. This Android port will never function as native Android phones. Compare the hardware of the HD2 with any of the 720p recording Android phones and you will see that there are no major differences, at least none that can affect recording. But remember that the bitrate of a video shot in 720p resolution is lower than the video of a hand held camera. All we have in the Android port is the work of people working with drivers and tweaking it. As buggy as it was in the beginning, the Android port got a lot better that it can be compared to native Android phones. Patience is a virtue

guys the new htc hd7 with win mobile 7 have the same camera 5 mp and she record on 720p

suicidal.banana said:
Yes and no, its in the realm of the possible but currently not much is known about the camera, there have been tweaks in the past (like 7mp panorama shot) that turned out to not really work.
I would like to see it as much as you though, heres to hoping some of the devs want it too
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my theory: technically it's a slr xD
I've been fooling around a bit with the camera and turned up with over 4000 pics taken in the last 3 months. i figured a few things out and will attach a few shots just to proof my theory 'bout the slr^^
edit: [i also realized a clicking noise while taking the shots, similiar to the noise a big slr makes]
and doesn't the dpi (96/128) take effect on HD recording/displaying?
just an idea^^

galati said:
guys the new htc hd7 with win mobile 7 have the same camera 5 mp and she record on 720p
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Yes, I have a Toshiba TG01 WinMO 6.5. Itcomes with the same 1GHz Snapdragon 8520 chipset. We also can't use HD 720p recording The HD7 has the SAME chipset as the HD2 and TG01, so it's definitely not a hardware limitation. I hope with the arrival of WP7 on HD2 will 'unlock' this feature. WE have good news on our TG01 forum. We are going to be expecting the first WP7Beta within the next few days

You can on the HD7.

i though this was an app >.> omg

hey guys!!!!
i just figured out that wp7 on the hd7 runs with more than 600 dpi, winmo 6.5.~ runs with 128 dpi. THAT is why we can't record in 720p!
i hope your not so disappointed afterall, since the hd2 is the first device known to run Mameo, Android, Ubuntu, WinMo an WinPhone. So just wait a few weeks 'til wp7 is ported!

hi quys i have android 2.2 froyo and it is possible qwga resolution, but on 720p it crashes, while recording it is all good, but on playback video is all pink,green...
question> Is continious focus in video mode possible and ported on HD2

Just flashed windows phone 7 on the HD2, I can confirm that 720p recording is real. No issues with recording or playing. It records in .mp4 with 1280x720 resolution. Try it

barbarosie_alexandru said:
Just flashed windows phone 7 on the HD2, I can confirm that 720p recording is real. No issues with recording or playing. It records in .mp4 with 1280x780 resolution. Try it
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see? i told you guys this has something to do with winmo 6 xD

So,...My girl is taking the NS back no zoom feature in the camera app?

So,...My girl is taking the NS back because it doesn't have a zoom feature in the camera app? I mean she is reaally upset about that...Share ur thoughts !
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Smilez_c said:
So,...My girl is taking the NS back because it doesn't have a zoom feature in the camera app? I mean she is reaally upset about that...Share ur thoughts !
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what are you expecting to be "shared"?
no zoom on the camera app is the deal breaker?
are you trolling?
what is the point of this post?

Smilez_c said:
So,...My girl is taking the NS back because it doesn't have a zoom feature in the camera app? I mean she is reaally upset about that...Share ur thoughts !
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App
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Yes, as noted in the stickied FAQ, there is no digital zoom in the camera app like on other Android devices. As far as I know, and I'm sure someone will be quick to correct me, there hasn't been a real zoom on any phone.
Personally, this didn't bother me because the digital zoom always looked like crap lol.

Smilez_c said:
So,...My girl is taking the NS back because it doesn't have a zoom feature in the camera app?
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You should explain to her the difference between a mobile phone and a digital camera. And if she thinks that she can get the best of both (all) worlds in a single device, perhaps you should tell her about this thing called ... money?

shrivelfig said:
You should explain to her the difference between a mobile phone and a digital camera. And if she thinks that she can get the best of both (all) worlds in a single device, perhaps you should tell her about this thing called ... money?
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Bad idea, mate. Talk to a gal about money and all she hears is, "Let's go shopping!"

Smilez_c said:
So,...My girl is taking the NS back because it doesn't have a zoom feature in the camera app? I mean she is reaally upset about that...Share ur thoughts !
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App
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Nearly all cell phone cameras lack "zoom".
What you see in cameras labeled "zoom" is actually cropping, so you end up with a lower quality crop.
Explain that and she'll be okay.

Please stop the arguing in this thread, or it will be closed and infractions/warning PMs will be sent. Thank you.
Edit: Thread cleaned from all the nonsense. Please, keep this on track.

Explain that all she's ever had on any phone is digital zoom which is not supported in the stock Android camera app. There are alternative camera apps in the Market if it's really important to her.

ekerazha said:
Nobody asked for your opinion, "go bith and moan" on another thread if you think it's all ok.
Like I've already explained: "maybe it's not so useful for pictures (because it's a digital zoom) but it could be useful for videos in order to move attention on a detail".
Lack of 720p is another issue, however, 720p recording (just like digital zooming) is usually interpolated on smartphones, so it's not a big one. Moreover, you know it doesn't record at 720p from specs.
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They down sample. There is no issue with downsampling. Upsampling (digital zoom) degrates the image.

JCopernicus said:
They down sample.
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Upsample. Usually on smartphones the sensor is not 720p capable but it has a lower resolution, so you get 720p recording by upsampling frames. However this is off-topic

its called crop it..done looks waaaaay better

I'm liking the responses
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werd theres not really a big use for zooming in anyway just take a pic and pinch to zoom it looks fine tbh. Not a good reason to return a good phone lmfao tell her to send it back get a free phone to make fone calls and text and buy a digital camera so she can take some ugly facebook pics

ekerazha said:
Upsample. Usually on smartphones the sensor is not 720p capable but it has a lower resolution, so you get 720p recording by upsampling frames. However this is off-topic
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Nope, video is downsampled from the sensor resolution.
720p frames = 1280×720
5MP sensor size = 2560×2048
The image captured by the sensor is downsized to the 720p size.
The reason cellphones aren't capable of 720p is because the hardware can't keep up with downsizing each frame that the camera is capturing.
Digital zoom in video means downsizing from the sensor resolution to the video resolution. Then upsampling the image information again to make it fit to the recording resolution. You're not gaining anything from digital other than introducing alot of noise.

Tell your girl to get an iphone.

JCopernicus said:
Nope, video is downsampled from the sensor resolution.
720p frames = 1280×720
5MP sensor size = 2560×2048
The image captured by the sensor is downsized to the 720p size.
The reason cellphones aren't capable of 720p is because the hardware can't keep up with downsizing each frame that the camera is capturing.
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So it can downsize to 480p but it can't downsize to 720p... interesting lol

tekkitan said:
Tell your girl to get an iphone.
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Lol ..
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tekkitan said:
Tell your girl to get an DSLR.
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There, I fixed it for you.

ekerazha said:
So it can downsize to 480p but it can't downsize to 720p... interesting lol
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Oops, I typed that out wrong. It can't keep up with processing the captured frames after downsizing.

JCopernicus said:
Oops, I typed that out wrong. It can't keep up with processing the captured frames after downsizing.
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Nope. There isn't any "downsizing", they are captured at lower resolution than the max resolution available (because of the bus width), usually the resolution is lower than 720p, then they are processed and upscaled to 720p.

[Q] The Milestone 2 can capture 720p video, how can I on my D2G?

After much searching on this forum and many others, I am still unable to discern if there is a method available to achieve video capture at 720p with my Droid 2 Global.
If I have understood correctly the pages-upon-pages of discussion and product specifications that I've read through in search for an answer, a mobile phone's ability to record HD video depends on the specification of its processor.
The facts seem to be that the D2G is technically capable of recording 720p video, whereas the vastly more popular Droid 2 is not, by nature of their differing processors.
The D2G's "TI OMAP3630-1200" processor, as stated by Motorola's Developer web page, is identical to those of the Droid X and Milestone 2 (the Euro-market version of the Droid 2) in all but its clock speed, "TI OMAP3630-1000." Both the Droid X and Milestone 2 are capable of capturing 720p video.
I am merely an enthusiastic user of my phone, and have never even dabbled with development. Yet it seems to me, given the many other 'miracles' I've witnessed accomplished on these phones, that there certainly must be a member of this assuredly knowledgeable forum that can offer me either an explanation as to how I can capture 720p video with my D2G, or at least why it will never be possible as it is with a Milestone 2.
Thanks very much; I'm waiting with bated breath for a reply.
-Benjamin

It can also be limited by the camera sensor, which I believe is the case with the d2g
Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using XDA App

Thanks very much for your prompt input. I do appreciate greatly any suggestion that might ultimately give me the answer I desire.
However, I must admit, without any data sheet to prove that the image sensors used in the Droid 2 Global and Milestone 2 are in fact different (and believe me, I've searched... and searched for such specific device information), I find this suggestion to be less than satisfying an answer as to why I cannot capture 720p video with my D2G.
In fact, I'm lead to believe by Motorola's Developer Website that the image sensors used in each the Milestone 2 and Droid 2 Global are identical (as is most all of the componentry used in the phones), by nature of there being no differences in the six lines of specifications listed under the "Camera" category on each of the phone's spec sheets. It's unfortunate Motorola has not seen fit to post the precise specifications of the sensors themselves.
And so I implore this knowledgeable community to yet point me in the correct direction of a satisfying answer--whether proving the image sensor in my D2G is different than that of a Milestone 2 and isn't technically capable of capturing 720p video, or providing me with a more positive solution.
many thanks,
Benjamin

I am curious a well. Developers pay little attention to such a great phone

I believe it has a lot to do with the hype. Droid X, Original Droid and Droid 2 get a lot more attention from Motorola and Developers. Noticed the number of ROMs for the D2G, not D2 ports. Updates roll pretty slow for the D2G as well.
Even if the D2G is capable of recording 720P videos, Motorola has to remember that the D2G exists and Verizon must approve of such updates and the company pushing out the update must not screw up.
OR XDA devs with an ugly duckling(D2G in this case), can make the very few owners of a D2G happy by finding a way to help us record 720P. Somewhat pointless at this point when everyone is targeting 1080P.
Don't you just hate how Android fragmentation makes 2-months old devices look like dinosaurs?

Rusty is correct, But there is much more than just the camera sensor involved. The Video SubSystem also has a lot to do with the ability of a camera to create trup 720P video.
It does however start with the camera sensor. the resolution of the CMOS determines the Native capabilities.
The sensor must be able to resolve enough pixels to make a true 720P (1280X720).
Anything less would not be a true 720P capture. That doesn't mean a phone could not then upconvert it to a 720P format which is what I expect the Milestone and Dx do via it's video subsystem if the cameras CMOS' are actually the same.
It's not true 720P as it really does not have the true resolution of a native 720P capture it is merely scaled to 720P by adding pixels (based on the pixels that surround it) and creating a 720P output from (ie) a WVGA capture.
Its kind of the same thing as DVD player with 1080P Upconvert does.
The DVD is really a 720 X 480 source that is scaled to 1080P but you get no extra detail from the original in that scalling.

Thanks to all who have replied thus far. Your responses have painted a clearer picture for me of what is necessary to capture 720p video in general, and why it's not currently possible to do so with the Droid 2 Global.
Asphynx:
It's not true 720P as it really does not have the true resolution of a native 720P capture it is merely scaled to 720P by adding pixels (based on the pixels that surround it) and creating a 720P output from (ie) a WVGA capture.
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This makes sense, and I'm glad you brought this issue to light. I'd be extremely interested to know if the Milestone 2 does in fact capture video in this manner, rather than native 720p! If that is in fact the case, I'd be happy to just keep capturing in 720x480 with my D2G, and then upscale in post. (I'd imagine the superior power of a desktop's cpu, coupled with the correct video-editing software, could do a damn-sight better job of upscaling the video than a phone anyway.)
Neurotica:
XDA devs with an ugly duckling(D2G in this case), can make the very few owners of a D2G happy by finding a way to help us record 720P
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I realize all too well that the D2G is an oft looked-over phone on the developing scene. And it's an outright shame. It's such a powerful, flexible phone; and when running the Fission 2.4.3 ROM, I find it hard to believe there's a better phone available on the market currently--to serve my needs at least.
I implore the talented developers of this forum to unlock the potential of the Droid 2 Global's hardware (if it does indeed exist) to allow video capture at 720p, using the Milestone 2 as a reference. You'd make a very happy man out of me indeed, and as it would seem, many others.
Thanks to all again for their time attending to my questions.
-Benjamin

It would be great if someone could make D2G work on CDMA and GSM network simultaneously as MOTOROLA XT800+ can (only for Chinese market).
I am looking for its radio to try it on my D2G
any ideas from your side guys?

Moved to General.

Originally Posted by Iff
Turns out 720p recording is even simpler than I thought. Assuming you're using Motorola's camera app and not the stock one, all you have to do is open /system/build.prop and find this line near the bottom:
Code:
ro.media.capture.maxres=5m
Change it to
Code:
ro.media.capture.maxres=8m
Then reboot your phone. After that, go to Settings -> Applications -> Manage Applications, find the Camera app in the All tab, force stop it if it's running and Clear Data and 720p video ready for you.

helizus said:
Originally Posted by Iff
Turns out 720p recording is even simpler than I thought. Assuming you're using Motorola's camera app and not the stock one, all you have to do is open /system/build.prop and find this line near the bottom:
Code:
ro.media.capture.maxres=5m
Change it to
Code:
ro.media.capture.maxres=8m
Then reboot your phone. After that, go to Settings -> Applications -> Manage Applications, find the Camera app in the All tab, force stop it if it's running and Clear Data and 720p video ready for you.
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It can't be as simple as that. There is a lot more involved than just editing the build prop.
• Sent from my HD-II running HyperDroid GBX-12

Thank you very much helizus for your contribution towards solving this issue. However, I can confirm that although editing the "build.prop" as described will alter the Camera app to include menu settings that allow the selection of a option to film in "High Definition (720p)," the application will in fact crash once the Record button is pressed with the aforementioned HD setting selected. Neurotica was right to be doubtful.
Surely altering software in attempts to make use of hardware that doesn't exist is not the answer to this issue--
It may not make sense to tell a Droid 2 Global that it has the 8-megapixel camera of a Droid X in an attempt to trick it into filming in 720p, but let's be clear in understanding, that is not to say the D2G's 5-megapixel camera isn't sufficient to do the job. After all, the Milestone 2 makes do with its 5-megapixel camera.
THERE MUST BE A WAY TO FILM @720p WITH MY D2G!
...my enthusiasm to find an answer is getting the better of me. Apologies.
This answer becomes all the more frustratingly absent now that I actually have a menu on my phone depicting its elusive ability to capture video in HD.
-Benjamin

Here is the video recorded by D2G on Liberty. mediafire.com/file/dirwzhsti51r3ey/VID_20110416_162801.mp4

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So the reason why it worked for helizus is maybe because he is running Liberty in his D2G?

Hey everyone, I'm getting tired of being ignored on this forum so I'm asking here now. Can I run a Droid 2 Gingerbread Rom on my Droid 2 Global? I know that there's a patch out there that I can apply but, will it work or not because no one has mentioned this that I can find and I've been looking for two weeks.
I posted this question last night and have been ignored and not answered as well.
Thanks for the help any one who answers me here.

thewebsiteisdown said:
Hey everyone, I'm getting tired of being ignored on this forum so I'm asking here now. Can I run a Droid 2 Gingerbread Rom on my Droid 2 Global? I know that there's a patch out there that I can apply but, will it work or not because no one has mentioned this that I can find and I've been looking for two weeks.
I posted this question last night and have been ignored and not answered as well.
Thanks for the help any one who answers me here.
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It is not nice to hijack others threads, but let me answer your question: no, you cannot run D2 Gingerbread on your Droid 2 global (A956).

AmCupSailor said:
Thank you very much helizus for your contribution towards solving this issue. However, I can confirm that although editing the "build.prop" as described will alter the Camera app to include menu settings that allow the selection of a option to film in "High Definition (720p)," the application will in fact crash once the Record button is pressed with the aforementioned HD setting selected. Neurotica was right to be doubtful.
Surely altering software in attempts to make use of hardware that doesn't exist is not the answer to this issue--
It may not make sense to tell a Droid 2 Global that it has the 8-megapixel camera of a Droid X in an attempt to trick it into filming in 720p, but let's be clear in understanding, that is not to say the D2G's 5-megapixel camera isn't sufficient to do the job. After all, the Milestone 2 makes do with its 5-megapixel camera.
THERE MUST BE A WAY TO FILM @720p WITH MY D2G!
...my enthusiasm to find an answer is getting the better of me. Apologies.
This answer becomes all the more frustratingly absent now that I actually have a menu on my phone depicting its elusive ability to capture video in HD.
-Benjamin
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actually it is pretty simple just install Liberty 2.0.1 and then the romer you can find it at droidforums.net look it up around when you have those 2 things installed you dont have to touch the build.prop because you should be able to record 720p

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I think you are all missing the point regarding 720.
You can easily create a 720P file in any device but unless you are capturing it in that native resolution all you are actually doing is taking a low res capture and scaling it into a higher res format with none of the actual resolution of the 720P standard.
It's like up-converting an SD 16X9 video into 1080P. Sure the file shows as a 1080P file but the resolution is still Standard Def with some sides cut off and the pixels that was once one now shown as 4!
You are mixing up file format with actual resolution.
If you take a picture that has only 345,600 Pixels of resolution you can convert it to a file that displays with 921,600 Pixels of resolution but those extra pixels do not actually make the picture better! Just uses 2.6 pixels per original piece of data!
It's basically data and you can't create data that doesn't really exist.
32 is the same number in 32 Bit as it is in 64 bit. Converting it to 64 bit doesn't make it any more precise than it was as a 32 Bit integer.
It similar with what this boot.prop trick is doing.
Yes it saves a file that says it is 720P. But it;s nothing more than the standard resolution you had before in a 720 display format. It ddn't add resolution it merely doubled the same bad resolution you started with.
Look at it next to a TRUE 720P Native capture and you will see the difference.

[Q] Nexus S 720p HD hack?

I know it's not true HD but is there anyway to get the Nexus One HD hack on Nexus S?

bump.........

nop.....no way....cannot be done....not possible... and search the NS forum for 720,HD recording.. there were threads like this and it was concluded its not possible....if it was you would see roms with 720p on them or something.... try LG camera from market to record with MP4 if it gives you any satisfaction.
even i used to wonder the same thing when i got my nexus s first..

no... there are 10 other threads about this.

can you link me thread please?
I know 720p isn't possible but nexus one 720p hack isn't true HD
so is there how can I do this?
And I've talked to a person on youtube who've uploaded 720p Nexus S recording
and said he's using Oxygen ROM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDjsLV4JCUw&feature=channel_video_title
his video

He says right in the comments that it is 720x480. That's not 720p. 1280x720 is.

but youtube upscaled it to hd video like how they did it with the nexus one hack.
How was that possible?

Upscaled is the key word there. It isn't true 720p. I mean look at it. It looks like a scaled low res video.
Edit: I know you said you don't want true 720p, you just want the hack. But really if it looks like crappy upscaled video, what is the point?

lapalways05 said:
but youtube upscaled it to hd video like how they did it with the nexus one hack.
How was that possible?
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youtube does that for every video, it sets it in different p's but its not true 720p.
to find the thread, find it yourself

full hd video recording

i just want to know after update to gingerbread can infuse record video in 1080 resolution...

Nope.
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this is a myth that has been perpetuated by a rather unclear ad from samsung before the infuse was released. it simply said "1080p video" it did not say video recording but it should have specified it as playback. it also said "gingerbread" and "hdmi" when it should have said "gingerbread or hdmi" since att didn't get gingerbread and wont for probably atleast another month or 2, and because rogers didn't and wont get hdmi.

I read somewhere that if you replace some camera files of the gs2 to the infuse it will have 1080p (has to be gingerbread). Its just sad how Sammy restricts their devices to make their newer ones look better.

i also read somewhere infuse camera module is identical to s2,so technically it's possible.just need software support.

mangesh hotkar said:
i also read somewhere infuse camera module is identical to s2,so technically it's possible.just need software support.
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and hardware that can encode it that fast..
1080p isn't much for a sensor. it only amounts to 2mp so the sensor has never been the limiting factor in smartphone video. video encoding is hardware intensive and though i believe the infuse processor can do it i think it would mean background processes might have to be killed to do it.

Interesting. Out of curiosity, is there anyone here who has been able to record in 1080p even in a "testbed" situation?