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Although I'm loving my experience with Android, I can't help but think it's a shame that we don't have GPU acceleration outside of games (especially with all the new phones coming out with very good GPU's). I think this would really help sell Android to the average consumer. Even with LauncherPro, I feel my Vibrant is not as smooth as the iPhone when moving around the phone. Yes, it's fast, but it's not as smooth. There's little hangs/stutters when doing certain things like flicking through menus that's just jarring when compared to an iPhone which is buttery smooth all the time.
I think it's been brought up before, but it has to do with the iPhone using GPU acceleration and Android using only the CPU for rendering the UI.
There's a thread on the code.google page related to this very issue. If you agree and want GPU acceleration for Android, please vote in the thread below. I'm not sure if it'll get to the right people or if it'll make much of a difference, but I'd rather try and let google know this is a wanted/needed feature than sit back and wait.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914
Yeah, it doesn't feel as smooth as iOS. But I think they are using GPU accel. for 3.0, if you can wait....
Its definately annoying, especially in the web broswer.
Its quite ironic that if you go to the acid test website, every single android phone will score above and beyond the Iphone (not sure about 4 actually) but the page its self is frickin slow and jerky on my htc legend.
I can understand the main reason this has come about, trying to make a platform work on all devices crap or brilliant but theres always going to be this kind of problem.
But how there isnt already some kind of opt in setting/option is a bit of a failure on googles part.
All Android User & Fan should star this issue.
It's the priority #1 for Gingerbread..
And, at least for me, if i won't get accelerated UI & browser, i will probably left Android
Yeah me too I at least do consider getting an iPhone or Phone7 after my desire, this is such a shame, I mean it wouldn't be over complicated as even symbian devices can handle gpu acc. I really hope google will improve it for gingerbread, it just cant be that an old iPhone 3g is smoother than a desire with 1ghz cpu 576mb ram and so on... IT JUST CAN'T BE!
btw I read some threads about it, and everywhere people link to software based things like launcher pro different mod and so on but I got the fastest rom and launcher pro, one of the fastest kernel out there and still this damn UI still lags compared to the 3g as if I was running android on a 500 mhz phone ... I just dont understand why dont you care folks? Google HAS to change it if enough people care, but as actually only a very very little minority seems to care I'm pretty sure we wont get real gpu acceleration with gingerbread, just my opinion.
Thinking of returning my Atrix and just getting a Nexus S. One thing the Atrix actually does is play flash 100% perfectly.
Can the same be said for this phone"?
The Nexus S runs Flash fine, but not so smooth on higher bitrate flash videos
I don't have any experience with the Atrix but my experience with the Nexus S is the browser and flash acceleration isn't really there (yet) like it is on Snapdragon devices. I feel like my Nexus One and MT4G performed better at flash playback in the browser than the NS.
No idea how flash is on Tegra 2 phones but I'd guess it's way better than the NS. Give some links to some flash sites that run nicely on your Atrix and I'll test it on my NS.
Comparing the Nexus S and Atrix 4G in terms of hardware is a joke. Personally, I prefer the Nexus S because I hate Motoblur and also I like the way the phone looks. But there's no way I can deny that the Atrix is more powerful, especially graphically. Dude, it has a friggin Tegra 2 dual-core CPU. The Nexus S I believe has a single-core Hummingbird. The Hummingbird (same one in the Galaxy S) is very powerful graphically, but the Tegra 2 is more powerful. I'd still take the Nexus S though since it's more powerful than my Evo.
My NxS w/CM7 + Flash works equal to my N1 same setup. This is not based on any spec or performance comparisons...just a daily user of shadownet.com
Why dumping Atrix?
...sent from NxS
search around for threads about this, because the nexus s actually is not optimized to play flash well yet, its missing graphics acceleration, etc. so many sites seems to be slow and choppy, and the nexus one actually out performs it. this is obviously a fluke, but the update has not yet come to fix it.
the galaxy s was the same way but samsung pushed the update out to the international version, and it made a world of difference. apparently google did not get this memo. so you might not have as smooth performance as expected.
reason it has issues is becuase hardware acceleration has yet to be implemented like the snapdragon CPU
The thing is that, being a Nexus device, the software is handled by Google, so you can expect a quick update.
My captivate with a custom kernel runs flash extremely well - nearly as well as the atrix.
Returning the atrix because its really a disappointment. Its horribly optimized, cant display the color yellow at all, and AT&T raped the HSUPA on the phone - disabling it. which wouldnt be a major issue if the boot loader was locked and you could enable it like on my captivate.
Just too much crap wrong with it to warrant signing a 2 year contract with it. So I am thinking thunderbolt or nexus S at this point.
on stock,not well. but I read that when overclocked, runs smoothly or hopefully, as said here, they will put the gpu to help
Nexus S browsing performance (Only Nexus S holders plz)
So I've seen many conflicting videos/reviews about Nexus S scrolling/zooming.... I heard that Samsung only optimized the browser for Hummingbird (with GPU acceleration, but of course didn't share the code with Google), but it's not available on the Nexus S.
So, on the Nexus S with Flash-enabled:
1) How smooth is it? Is it as smooth as the Atrix? iPhone 4? Galaxy S (after GPU acceleration fix)?
2) How smooth does flash video play in the browser?
3) Is there any ROM/Kernel I need to install to get the smoothest web-browsing experience? (I'm down with this, I just need to know if there's a solution).
4) Any hope that Samsung's GPU acceleration code can be used on the Nexus S?
Because I can afford either the Nexus S or the Atrix (I'm buying one of them in exactly 10 days), but I don't like the Atrix' screen or the fact it won't get Ice Cream this summer. I need Super AMOLED and instant updates -but not if it will mean a choppy browsing experience and poor flash performance.
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So I've seen many conflicting videos/reviews about Nexus S scrolling/zooming.... I heard that Samsung only optimized the browser for Hummingbird (with GPU acceleration, but of course didn't share the code with Google), but it's not available on the Nexus S.
So, on the Nexus S with Flash-enabled:
1) How smooth is it? Is it as smooth as the Atrix? iPhone 4? Galaxy S (after GPU acceleration fix)?
2) How smooth does flash video play in the browser?
3) Is there any ROM/Kernel I need to install to get the smoothest web-browsing experience? (I'm down with this, I just need to know if there's a solution).
4) Any hope the GPU acceleration code can be used on the Nexus S?
Because I can afford either the Nexus S or the Atrix (I'm buying one of them in exactly 10 days), but I don't like the Atrix' screen or the fact it won't get Ice Cream this summer. I need Super AMOLED and instant updates -but not if it will mean a choppy browsing experience and poor flash performance.
Thanks!
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*I use flash on-demand. I don't see any point in keeping flash enabled on a constant basis. You are just wasting battery life on pointless flash advertisements.
1) Haven't owned/used an Atrix/Galaxy S so can't comment.. But it's certainly not as smooth as the iPhone 4. However, the Android browser renders the entire webpage at once as opposed to the iPhone 4 and it's "checkboard" rendering while scrolling. So it's expected to be less smooth.
2) Most video I've played has been smooth. But of course don't expect to scroll through a webpage and have a video still remain smooth.
3) Most of the kernels/roms out for the Nexus S are designed with the improve performance (not the browser specifically) via filesystem tweaks, overclocking, and other enhancements. This would certainly translate to smoother browsing. However I don't bother.
4) Hopefully when we see Ice Cream on the Nexus S there will be further performance enhancements and possibly GPU acceleration. I'm hopeful the improved browser included with Android 3.0 is included with it's phone counterpart.
there´s already a thread about the same question, try this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=967608
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So I've seen many conflicting videos/reviews about Nexus S scrolling/zooming.... I heard that Samsung only optimized the browser for Hummingbird (with GPU acceleration, but of course didn't share the code with Google), but it's not available on the Nexus S.
So, on the Nexus S with Flash-enabled:
1) How smooth is it? Is it as smooth as the Atrix? iPhone 4? Galaxy S (after GPU acceleration fix)?
2) How smooth does flash video play in the browser?
3) Is there any ROM/Kernel I need to install to get the smoothest web-browsing experience? (I'm down with this, I just need to know if there's a solution).
4) Any hope that Samsung's GPU acceleration code can be used on the Nexus S?
Because I can afford either the Nexus S or the Atrix (I'm buying one of them in exactly 10 days), but I don't like the Atrix' screen or the fact it won't get Ice Cream this summer. I need Super AMOLED and instant updates -but not if it will mean a choppy browsing experience and poor flash performance.
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heres a great video to answer your nexus s vs atrix questions. see for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3BJ2vKpGM
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heres a great video to answer your nexus s vs atrix questions. see for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3BJ2vKpGM
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Thanks man, I saw this video which is why I am a bit confused about the truth. I've also seen countless other videos where the scrolling and pinching are just painfully slow and choppy, which is why I need to ask about people's experiences.
I also don't know if this person in the video has any specific ROM/Kernel underneath...
Browser sux in bare mode. But if you use SetCpu and put the cpu at 1300Mhz it will run as smooth as butter...this is with flash and the most heaviest of web pages...speaking from my own personal experience.
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heres a great video to answer your nexus s vs atrix questions. see for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3BJ2vKpGM
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I´m curious to know if the nexus on this video has mods. Cause if it is on stock, ther is no advantage, for now , on picking up a dual core phone...actually, I thought Atrix would be something out of this world... guess not
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Browser sux in bare mode. But if you use SetCpu and put the cpu at 1300Mhz it will run as smooth as butter...this is with flash and the most heaviest of web pages...speaking from my own personal experience.
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Thank you! That's what I'm talking about.
What impact does the overlock have on battery life?
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I´m curious to know if the nexus on this video has mods. Cause if it is on stock, ther is no advantage, for now , on picking up a dual core phone...actually, I thought Atrix would be something out of this world... guess not
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both atrix and nexus s are stock in the video. i have no problems at all browsing with my nexus s, but then again im not at stock. from what ive heard from atrix owners that also have a nexus s(like the vid) is there isnt any difference, and the ns might even be slightly smoother.
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Browser sux in bare mode. But if you use SetCpu and put the cpu at 1300Mhz it will run as smooth as butter...this is with flash and the most heaviest of web pages...speaking from my own personal experience.
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I was excited when I read that; but then I saw a video of a Nexus S on 1300 Mhz and while everything was fast, web browsing was still choppy; the guy was too embarrassed to keep demoing it.
http://androidcommunity.com/exclusi...d-to-1-3ghz-running-flawlessly-demo-20110104/
YouTube - Google I/O 2011: Accelerated Android Rendering
At the beginning of this video, they basically state that because "Dual core and quad core devices are coming out" that there will be no FULL hardware acceleration in Android...ever...
In a nutshell, they're saying the general public will buy a phone because "IT HAS 5 CORES!" or w/e and not know the difference between GPU and CPU usage. I find this amazing that Android phones, often associated with lag on even dual core phones, still find this a low priority when they are trying to compete with Apple (and potentially Windows Phone 7 someday).
I played with a Motorola Xoom yesterday in the Sprint store (to see what hardware acceleration would POSSIBLY be like in ICS and further beyond). The animations were smooth, but there was STILL some lag (I suppose this is because of larger screen and more pixels needing to drawn.....but why does the iPad and iPad 2 use hardware acceleration so much better with large screens....?) I know in 3.1 they say they're supposed to better support hardware acceleration, so maybe the demo unit I tested still had 3.0....
For the first time, I've actually been considering dropping Android and moving onto Windows Phone 7 in the future. I was really looking forward to the future of Android, but it looks like Google really is only a cash cow looking to cash in on consumers' lack of knowledge on this issue...
EDIT: I know that it has been said that Android will be hardware accelerated, but I guess I was posting to get an understanding on WHY Romain Guy said this....it's conflicting to what has been stated and confusing....
Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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I've actually been playing with my Nexus S a little more and try to push it to see if there is lag, and I agree wholeheartedly....if the speed only improves from here then I'm a happy camper I guess. I think this is due to the fact that there are some parts of hardware acceleration present in Gingerbread currently. If they enable "more hardware acceleration" then I guess it will be much smoother (which there already is virtually zero lag to this phone). I played with other phones in Sprint yesterday, and even comparing the Nexus to the Xoom, the Nexus was faster (albeit, smaller screen means faster drawing and smoother....). I used to have the Epic and that lagged also quite a bit as well (thanks Touchwiz).
You do make an interesting point that I never thought about when comparing iOS to Android with the app drawer example (thanks for that). I hate iOS, and Apple (although the iPhone 4 device itself is dead sexy). Lol...I'm actually kind of disappointed in myself for comparing the smoothness I guess and falling for the Apple "trap".
If you listen a little further, they start talking about tablets and how in Android 3.0 all the basic drawing is now hardware accelerated, and needs to be because they are trying to push so many more pixels through the same pipeline.
They then talk about GPUI - GPU-accelerated UI. That's the core of what they're moving forward with.
Long story short, Honeycomb has HW acceleration in the basic UI. ICS will have that too.
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This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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THIS.....At the event, they said that apps can be hardware accelerated. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but this will bring the true "iOS" like experience to opening apps, and once the app is open it will be smooth like iOS from there (if the line of code is added by the developer(s)).
The scrolling IS smooth on Android, but not iOS smooth. For example (using a static wallpaper) scroll and notice it is smooth. However, add a YouTube widget to the screen and then click the search icon.....on my Nexus it will lag for a second or two (like it's thinking about it) and then present me with the window transition to the search bar screen. THAT, to me, suggests CPU "thinking" and NOT GPU "thinking". I guess I just notice a lot of elements that can sometimes tax (an extremely light tax thanks to EXT4, but a tax) on the CPU sometimes when it comes to animations and window transitions.
jonnythan said:
This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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No its not and though I didn't start with the original iphone or iphone 3g, I have a iphone 3GS, iphone 4, and an ipad. Statement holds bud.
I like to switch around, I also have a black berry, but Android is superior in every way...though I do not own a windows phone 7 device as of yet.
I love how you say my entire statement is ridiculous and bring up scrolling...did I mention scrolling? NO...did that have anything to do with what I posted? NO...
Common sense, level it up.
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If you listen a little further, they start talking about tablets and how in Android 3.0 all the basic drawing is now hardware accelerated, and needs to be because they are trying to push so many more pixels through the same pipeline.
They then talk about GPUI - GPU-accelerated UI. That's the core of what they're moving forward with.
Long story short, Honeycomb has HW acceleration in the basic UI. ICS will have that too.
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Thanks. I noticed this, and this was what led to my confusion. They say they're moving forward HW acceleration, but why then are there so many contradictory statements such as "there are these limitations to it....etc...." or other statements that basically say "yea...it's coming....but it's not gonna be what you expect it to be.....".
I'm at work, so I can really watch it again to come up with specific quotes, but if you listen there are some in there IMO...
Does a little bit of lag really bother people this much? I've used an iPhone 4 and still prefer android any day of the week. My Nexus S is the best phone I've ever used.
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Does a little bit of lag really bother people this much? I've used an iPhone 4 and still prefer android any day of the week. My Nexus S is the best phone I've ever used.
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It bothers me, yeah. I find it very frustrating.
I think the lag has been slowly bugging me more and more....i seem to still get scrolling lag and some lag opening the app drawer in cm7 regardless of what I do.... That kind of lag is the first thing people notice... It should be one of the highest priorities for the future
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Android 3.0 hardware acceleration, see here:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/android-30-hardware-acceleration.html
ICS is the next evolution (revolution?) from 3.0, so expect the same there.
If ICS will be used in the phone, it would have the same hardware acceleration as well.
So, be happy and wait for the Nexus Prime !
gunstar3035 said:
Your really coming off as a little troll ****. If you love apple so much stick with that and GTFO, thanks.
You come into this topic, posting that iOS is anything more than a giant menu (which by the way it is just an app menu and nothing more) and now your *****ing because you get frustrated by the nonexistant lag in the Nexus S...if that frustrates you I'd hate to see how you cope with a real issue.
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Booooo to you sir, for being a flamer. He posted a reasonable question about a legitimate issue.
There IS lag in Android UI. I see it all the time. The main time I notice is the application opening/closing transition animations. Sometimes they literally render at about 2 to 4 frames per second.
Also there is major lag in Honeycomb on Tegra 2 tablets, but it is because of Tegra 2 bug in portrait mode. It is smooth in landscape but very laggy in portrait.
Holy crap, someone has issues
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Holy crap, someone has issues
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Lol. I think his parents never loved him.
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malikadnanm said:
Lol. I think his parents never loved him.
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Love is for the weak.
gunstar3035 said:
Love is for the weak.
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The surest sign of strength is calling someone names on an internet message board for speaking about weaknesses of a mobile operating system.
gunstar3035 said:
I'll let you know when I give a ****.
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I lol'd...
They better add gpu support...
gunstar3035 said:
Love is for the weak.
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Lol
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I lol'd...
They better add gpu support...
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No GPU support! It's perfectly 100% smooth as it is!
iOS is smoother because it's just an app drawer! iOS is incapable of the incredible things we do on Android.
I mean, iOS isn't smoother, AND it's just an app drawer! Wait, what am I saying?
Hi, I have a question regarding hardware acceleration with the coming of ICS ports to older phones. ICS supports full hardware acceleration, and is also optimized for dual core phones. So I was wondering how the single core phones would take the hardware acceleration? Choppy/better speed, etc?
I'm not very savvy about hardware acceleration and so this is why I ask. Any clarification would be appreciated!
Thanks!
I've enabled hardware acceleration on my galaxy S with ICS beta 2. All animations are smooth, though flipping between launcher screens can be a bit choppy at times. Overall, it feels smoother than gingerbread, especially with page scrolls.
I'm running ICS on my Nexus S and for the most part it's smooth. Some lags here and there, but when the official hits it will probably much better.
Hardware Acceleration means using the GPU to help render pages, so CPU core count isn't what you're looking at here. The N1 has a really poor GPU so don't expect any improvements there. Not that it matters, because even the best phone hardware can't solve what is actually a fundamental problem. Everybody should have a read of this:
https://plus.google.com/10505198573...8x93s#105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
Bottom line: Android will never be rid of the choppy/lag issue unless it is completely overhauled. It doesn't matter how much hardware power is thrown at the problem, there are fundamental flaws in the OS.
If a brand new Galaxy Nexus still has the same problem as my N1, which it does, why would i want to upgrade?
Hardware Accel.
Im using evervolvs rom on my htc evo 4g and the HA that hes included with the rom is amazing...but im not sure if hes gotten a build for your phone yet.
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Hardware Acceleration means using the GPU to help render pages, so CPU core count isn't what you're looking at here. The N1 has a really poor GPU so don't expect any improvements there. Not that it matters, because even the best phone hardware can't solve what is actually a fundamental problem. Everybody should have a read of this:
https://plus.google.com/10505198573...8x93s#105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
Bottom line: Android will never be rid of the choppy/lag issue unless it is completely overhauled. It doesn't matter how much hardware power is thrown at the problem, there are fundamental flaws in the OS.
If a brand new Galaxy Nexus still has the same problem as my N1, which it does, why would i want to upgrade?
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Don't know if you've read it, but here's a response to Dianne's post:
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
Those 2 Google+ links were great reads, thanks!
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Don't know if you've read it, but here's a response to Dianne's post:
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
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Yep, i had a read of that too. It's all eye opening stuff, in fact every Android user needs to read those posts.
I am talking about two thing: OS smoothness and OS input lag.
For years Android just hasn't come close to the smooth, and lag free feel of iOS. This video shows exactly what I mean about android input lag. iOS is far ahead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4
iPhone 5 : 55 ms
S4: 114 ms
HTC One: 121 ms
The iPhone 5 is over twice as responsive as the fastest android!
That video just shows the input lag difference. iOS is very noticably lower input lag than Android. Thats why i hate playing games on Android. Its a pain in the ass. Some of you might say you dont notice the lag, but its there, and i notice it.
Same thing happens with HDTVs. Casual gamers say their hdtvs dont have lag. But they really do, its just casuals dont notice it. Hardcore gamers easily can notice.
Now onto OS smoothness. For years Android has had laggy scrolling or jerky movement. iOS is smooth as butter, so smoooooth. I love it. Android was awful scrolling webpages. Project butter MUCH improved Android. But still, iOS is far smoother. Will Android ever be smooth as butter like iOS or is it impossible without a closed, optimized OS?
i believe when android 5.0 comes it will be equal but you have to remember that android has alot more customizable features wgen ios doesnt, those features like widgets and animations cause lag, thats just my thoughts about that
Honestly what I have found is that it depends on the quality of the app you are using and how quickly you move your fingers. If I am slowly scrolling through xda there is a ton of lag but it is a poorly written app and I'm moving slow. However scrolling on the home screen in Nova I notice no lag. I have used my note 2 next to the newest ipad as well as my note 10.1 and there are different situations that each has an advantage over all though I would give the edge to my note 2 over the two tablets.
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I've made sure it was same apps etc and moving as close to the same speed on each hand with each device as I could. Still the note 2 trumped the iPhone 5s in every scenario...camera, browsing, YouTube, Facebook, etc... IPhone lagged at least 3-5 second behind the note 2.
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To the OP, I don't think android will ever catch up because of the denial. See from the replies that some don't even believe there's a problem.
Any android first day out of the box will always be more problematic than an iPhone even after its a year old.
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I have never had an issue with a stock android out the box bought one apple product and had issues with it before iTunes could even update it. Will never go to apple. And there's no denial I've seen it first hand. Kinda hard to deny visual proof...duh.
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I've used an iPhone before I got my nexus 4. Definitely a bit more responsive and less lag. But then iPhones don't require as many resources to run its OS, because its much simpler
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I've used an iPhone before I got my nexus 4. Definitely a bit more responsive and less lag. But then iPhones don't require as many resources to run its OS, because its much simpler
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True, I just wonder if Google can match iOS in the near future, and what their solutions could be? Fragmentation is a major problem.
I tried out the Lumia 900 Windows phone for a week and even though I hated it and would rather have any android over it, the Windows os was much smoother in terms of lag.
Think about this, when iPhone users jailbreak, it's so they customize. It's not about performance.
Android users root so they can customize but also to a large degree make the thing run smoother. That in and of itself says something..
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And another curious matter, I got my iPhone from at&t and there was not nearly as much bloatware as the note 2 (also at&t,) had before I rooted and rommed. Why?
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Terms between apple & Verizon and android and Verizon
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...I am talking about two thing: OS smoothness and OS input lag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4
iPhone 5 : 55 ms
S4: 114 ms
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I saw the video posted on your link. There was no mention of the performance for the phones you mentioned. I am interested to know where did you get the performance figures mentioned.
To the OP:
This is a difficult location to get an unbiased answer. You're basically walking into Toyota and asking if Chevrolet vehicles are better. Of course you are going to find fanboys who defend their devices to the byte. That's a given.
But now, on to business. As someone mentioned earlier, Android uses way more resources than iOS. Ever noticed how smooth a rom moves after a fresh flash with nothing installed? There's a lot less "lag." I think that Android will continue he getting closer to the bar that has been set by Apple products. Am I saying that Apple is better? No. You're question has nothing to do with preference, and I shall not share mine. I am just sharing my unbiased opinion.
Also, I think that "lag" is the wrong word to use for your description in the first post. Delay is a much more appropriate and concise word in my opinion. I define lag as excessive delay. Stutters I consider to be lag, but 55ms vs 114ms is definitely delay, not lag. I'm just saying...lag tends to have a terrible meaning behind it, and much worse than the example that you provided.
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Tablet: ASUS Nexus 7.2
Rooted, Stock Rom & Kernel
Yet an iPhone 4S with IOS7 seemed to lag more than my "budget" Optimus L9. Now call me a "fandroid". Now how about we ask if IOS will ever catch up to Android in features/options/freedom, then compare to see if Android lags more.
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It will be faster and responsive after installing a custom rom and kernel. That's why we are here. I'm not hating on iOS. I love it but I like the customizibility more on Android.
Juanito216 said:
Yet an iPhone 4S with IOS7 seemed to lag more than my "budget" Optimus L9. Now call me a "fandroid". Now how about we ask if IOS will ever catch up to Android in features/options/freedom, then compare to see if Android lags more.
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Exactly, my friend Dave has an iPhone 5s with iOS7 and I am running a samsung note II w/ cm 10.2 nightly 10/19 with plasma kernel running at 2.1GHz. For one show me an iPhone that can perform that fast and even running that fast my "stock" battery lasts me almost a fully 24 hrs and I'm a heavy user of games, web browsing, and media streaming. I tested my note side by side and the only thing it performed better was it booted up a second or two quicker. My opinions and facts have nothing to do with which I like better cause if it did I could go on and on, on the iOS's lack of customizability.
So yes like you just asked, when will iOS catch up to android?
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nickhex89 said:
Exactly, my friend Dave has an iPhone 5s with iOS7 and I am running a samsung note II w/ cm 10.2 nightly 10/19 with plasma kernel running at 2.1GHz. For one show me an iPhone that can perform that fast and even running that fast my "stock" battery lasts me almost a fully 24 hrs and I'm a heavy user of games, web browsing, and media streaming. I tested my note side by side and the only thing it performed better was it booted up a second or two quicker. My opinions and facts have nothing to do with which I like better cause if it did I could go on and on, on the iOS's lack of customizability.
So yes like you just asked, when will iOS catch up to android?
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Edit: the iPhone performed better by a second or two with booting up.
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vegetaflash said:
I am talking about two thing: OS smoothness and OS input lag.
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thats an exvellent question, one thats been asked a ton of times but left unanswered for yrs. i've asked that same question myself many a time on various forums only to be met with fanboy hate.
android possesses this innate lag and jitteriness that should have been resolved a long time ago. i read somewhere that its poss to make it lag free and smooth like it should. but to so would mean to dismantle the framework altogethe. and build it up from scratch. i dont kno if this is accurate or not. but i'd love to see android lag free finally.
one way that android is making the OS smooth is thru hardware, not software. wat i mean is, phone co.s like samsung are making faster processors amd packing more ram into phones, thus, making it appear smooth when in fact the OS is still latently snail slow. on a one to one ratio, iOS is FARRRR smoother and probly faster than android even with slower hardware cuz of its faster iOS.
i personally like android (not love it yet cuz of this issue) and prefer it to iOS. but if it werent for iphone's small screen and other bothersome kinks, i'd get one.
android has done a very poor job of making its OS smoother and faster. if it takes revamping the entire OS and starting it from the ground up, i think it'd be worth it. i really get disappointed when i slide my finger across the screen and still see lags, esp given the fact that its 2013 and the 1st gen iphone that debuted in 2007 is smoother and faster than android on any phone today.
Doesn't screen resolution matter when measuring lag/delay?
Cause no iPhone has had even a full 720p resolution screen to date.
I could honestly care less about lag/delay, for me choosing android was all about the customization.
Eg.
I've got no static,always present, status bar or virtual on screen navigation buttons or even any icons on my home screen, just widgets, not even an apps drawer icon, thanks to nova and pie pro everything is done via swipes or touching the left/right ends of screen to bring up pie(which also displays time/date/battery info) and thanks to PGM i don't even need to use any buttons to turn on the screen, just swipe up like BB10 or double tap like the LG G2.
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To the OP:
The first post seem to imply that the "lag" mentioned in the first post due to the OS alone. Now we all know that the OS alone is not the single factor in the overall performance of a computer. There are so many other factors to consider - CPU, GPU, RAM (and the type of memory chip), hardware bus size & speed, I/O and interfaces speed, screen display response and so many others.
The iPhone 5 has a 64-bit A7 CPU (first 64-bit chip for cellphones) as compared with all other cellphones with 32-bit CPUs, so there is no basis for your comparison 1st Post.
Was it the iPhone 5 that got the 64 bit? I was under the impression that it were the 5c/5s that were the first to get the 64.
Either way, Apple was the first.
I had the iPhone 4s. If it would have had a larger screen, I would still own it. Ironically I swapped for a note2 which has a.monster screen. Only problem is, IT'S NOT VISIBLE OUTDOOR EVEN ON A CLOUDY DAY.
iPhone 6, when it arrives...4.5 inch screen, retina display, super smooth performance. Sure it won't have all the customization that the latest android gadgets have. But I'm able to live without a phone that is not capable of doing the chicken dance with the swipe of three fingers.
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arvin07143 said:
Seriously,i dont want to waste money on crap hardware(iphone).Android rules the smartphone world.
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if the iphone is such crap hardware, explain why the 1st gen iphone is smoother than today's android?
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The first post seem to imply that the "lag" mentioned in the first post due to the OS alone. Now we all know that the OS alone is not the single factor in the overall performance of a computer. There are so many other factors to consider - CPU, GPU, RAM (and the type of memory chip), hardware bus size & speed, I/O and interfaces speed, screen display response and so many others.
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but it is due to the OS alone. if its due to hardware also like u said, then given todays hardware on android it should be superior to iphone. so wat are u talking abt? for ex, u got the note 3 with 3gb of ram and 2.3 ghz processor. its hardware beats the iphone big time. but the iphone is still faster and smoother that the note 3. so it MUST BE the OS.again, wat are u talking abt?