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this popped up earlier for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M6MwNto3MQ
seems pretty neat but their are a few major things thatd i love to see fixed or somehowfixed.
first mouse support and internet working which would then allow apps hopefully.
and then since its a live cd whenever youd reboot the pc or restart all the info wouldnt be saved. any way for this aswell?
just would like this livedroid stuff to evolve like the andriod device has
seems kind of cool but........... this is what the emulator is for in the android SDK.
well i hope that this will eventually lead or get 1 step closer to dualbooting android, say windows/android id really like, especially with access to droid apps
have you seen what ubuntu is working on? a modified kernel to run android apps along side of regular linux. imagine a 10 inch netbook running ubuntu mobile that also runs the same apps as your phone. pretty slick. I think i remember finding it via hackaday.com but i'm sure some googleing will turn it up
I'd love android as a main distro, they need to make it easier to compile C/C++ apps though, currently wrapping them in java slows development in my opinion.
The wrapper for ubuntu looks good but i wouldn't really try it, that's just me though
well im just really trying to figure out some way to get android onto my laptop, either with flashdrive or dual booting. Id love to have windows as one and then android as the other if I had access to the internet and app store, because if im traveling some of the android apps would be very useful and they are alot easier to access and find then searching google with windows.
so any chance of this?
Here you go
http://en.sourceforge.jp/projects/livedroid/downloads/40887/livedroid_alpha.iso/
Created by Japanese developers, a bootable iso image (Live CD) of android for your computer.
Here's a translation of their webpage:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.jp%2Fforum%2Fforum.php%3Fforum_id%3D19230&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
You should be able to open the iso with any iso program such as PowerISO, or Magic ISO, etc, then repack the iso with the same program (I was able to do it in Power ISO) Shouldn't be as difficult as opening a *.img
thanks for the links but thats the same thing I posted in topic. is their anyway to put this onto a USB and have the USB bootable?
I would deff use this IF
-it had internet working
-could save the data (maybe stored onto a flash drive or turned into an actual dual boot along windows etc...)
-and with the internet working I could download apps from market place, If I could dl apps id actually use this sometimes because some of the apps would be very very useful in public with Inet access such as where, or the information apps and itd just be plain fun
so any chance of these coming?
anyone thinking of messing with this?
samrozzi said:
thanks for the links but thats the same thing I posted in topic. is their anyway to put this onto a USB and have the USB bootable?
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Have you tried googling it? Something along the lines of "how to create a bootable usb drive linux"
Here's one I found that seems to be the most user friendly, I can't verify if it works or not with this android build (although it should.)
http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/08/27/create-a-bootable-usb-drive-or-memory-card/
Why not just use a virtual machine, mounting the ISO?
It is not easy to modify android to support many wifi- or lan-devices..
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Why not just use a virtual machine, mounting the ISO?
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Because this is like when you're installing a fresh version of windows, or restoring.
You need the CD in the cd drive, then restart (as in shut down and start up)
But before it even starts loading windows, it loads the cd instead.
I think some computers can load from a USB drive, check your computer's BIOS
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Because this is like when you're installing a fresh version of windows, or restoring.
You need the CD in the cd drive, then restart (as in shut down and start up)
But before it even starts loading windows, it loads the cd instead.
I think some computers can load from a USB drive, check your computer's BIOS
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That doesn't really answer his question, does it?
I think you could easily mount the iso in e.g. VirtualBox/VMWare and start it virtualized. They seem to have included a standard linux kernel with enough modules
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That doesn't really answer his question, does it?
I think you could easily mount the iso in e.g. VirtualBox/VMWare and start it virtualized. They seem to have included a standard linux kernel with enough modules
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Sorry, I guess I really didn't know what he was talking about =X
But yeah you are right... hmm that should work, although I've never worked with
a VirtualBox
And in virtualbox.. You could use the "freezing"-function to freeze the state ;-) Only thing to fix is wlan/lan.
Wlan should be easier - the driver is named wlan.ko.
You need to compile a driver.
After playing around with it a bit, it's really only a novelty..
I'm running it on Virtual box.. and it seems rather pointless other then for "demonstrating android." The applications that come on it are, for the most part, inopperable and force close left and right. It doesn't seem like it has any practical use, because the available system memory is stuck at 14mb.
However, if this was developed into an installer, not just a live cd, then I could see it having a lot of potential. once you could utilize system resources it would be worth looking into developing drivers for.
For now it would be impractical and maybe impossible to establish a network connection.
I use my HD2 to bring files to and from work. I really want a WP7 but I wanted to make sure I could still utilize it this way. I saw that Microsoft and PocketNow do not recommend using the registry hack that allows the USB Mass Storage mode on your PC, but I wanted to find out a little more info about it. All references to the USB Mass Storage registry hack talk about being able to move your Music, Videos, etc., but none say whether or not you can move other files types and how the Zune PC software reacts to those unexpected file types.
So before I go and buy a device that I can't use how I need to, I have a few questions for someone who has a WP7 that could test it out for me. My questions are:
1. My work PC does not have (and will not allow me to install) Zune software on it. Will this hack work on a PC that does not have the Zune PC software?
2. Can you put any type of file onto the storage device, meaning not just Zune recognized media files? If so, what happens to those files the next time you sync with the Zune PC software?
No and no.
It is not Mass storage and Zune must be on the pc.
Check this post out. The thing I have to warn you about is that you will still need Zune to be installed as it most likely loads most of the drivers and automated installation necessary for your phone to be recognized by your machine. This hack simply lets you view your phone as more than a sync-able Zune device.
agreed with vetvito. i think the best thing to do is merely just to buy a usb stick. they're reasonably cheap and tend to be attachable to keys. if not that, a portable harddrive.
vetvito said:
No and no.
It is not Mass storage and Zune must be on the pc.
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I know it is not a Mass Storage device, but the registry hack enables it to be. I am asking if you could put a non-media file on the phone using a PC, then pick it back up on a different PC.
denizen08 said:
Check this post out.
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This just references the same registry hack that ny original post references.
The Gate Keeper said:
agreed with vetvito. i think the best thing to do is merely just to buy a usb stick. they're reasonably cheap and tend to be attachable to keys. if not that, a portable harddrive.
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I own a USB drive. That is not the solution I am looking for. I do not want to carry around two devices.
vetvito said:
No and no.
It is not Mass storage and Zune must be on the pc.
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Actually it's no and yes.
Zune must be installed, but you can use the hack to transport on the phone any files you want. Zune will simply ignore files that are not in the expected directories or which it doesn't understand.
tai4de2 said:
Actually it's no and yes.
Zune must be installed, but you can use the hack to transport on the phone any files you want. Zune will simply ignore files that are not in the expected directories or which it doesn't understand.
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Okay so I'm halfway there. What does Zune PC software provide that enables the ability to use Mass Storage? Is there a way to bypass it? Possibly some registry entries and/or drivers?
“Windows Phone is not a mass storage device. It’s a Zune device. The data on the phone must be consistent, and [the system] needs to be able to identify items in storage. We don’t want the user to have to do that stuff manually. Yes, some may want to. But we wanted a synchronization system that was simple and easy and does metadata mappings automatically.” -Microsoft corporate vice president Joe Belfiore
guys why you want to buy a $500 DEVICE AS A usb STICK. WHEN A usb stick is $50/
WP7 os is working fine without hanging, reboots... why you guy want to hack this and hack that.. why cant u enjoy the smooth flow and the new OS for a while...
i am so sorry but i cant get it why ppl want to mess it up for them selfs... and i am very sure if any thing happens after there hackings they will blame microsoft for it...
i cant do alot of things now with my HD7 i used to do with my WM6.5, but there are so many things WM6.5 could not do for me too.. i am very happy with my WP7 OS and i will not want to change it in any way.. not even cut and paste as i dont need it..
guys why you want to buy a $500 DEVICE AS A usb STICK. WHEN A usb stick is $50/
WP7 os is working fine without hanging, reboots... why you guy want to hack this and hack that.. why cant u enjoy the smooth flow and the new OS for a while...
i am so sorry but i cant get it why ppl want to mess it up for them selfs... and i am very sure if any thing happens after there hackings they will blame microsoft for it...
i cant do alot of things now with my HD7 i used to do with my WM6.5, but there are so many things WM6.5 could not do for me too.. i am very happy with my WP7 OS and i will not want to change it in any way.. not even cut and paste as i dont need it..
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“Windows Phone is not a mass storage device. It’s a Zune device. The data on the phone must be consistent, and [the system] needs to be able to identify items in storage. We don’t want the user to have to do that stuff manually. Yes, some may want to. But we wanted a synchronization system that was simple and easy and does metadata mappings automatically.” -Microsoft corporate vice president Joe Belfiore
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Most everyone here at XDA who is interested in WP7 has already read that quote from Microsoft. You keep saying it's not a mass storage device... I know that. There is a Windows registry edit that allow the phone to become mass storage which has direct access to the media folders in the phone.
truffle1234 said:
guys why you want to buy a $500 DEVICE AS A usb STICK. WHEN A usb stick is $50/
WP7 os is working fine without hanging, reboots... why you guy want to hack this and hack that.. why cant u enjoy the smooth flow and the new OS for a while...
i am so sorry but i cant get it why ppl want to mess it up for them selfs... and i am very sure if any thing happens after there hackings they will blame microsoft for it...
i cant do alot of things now with my HD7 i used to do with my WM6.5, but there are so many things WM6.5 could not do for me too.. i am very happy with my WP7 OS and i will not want to change it in any way.. not even cut and paste as i dont need it..
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The point you're missing is that I would like to have a WP7 device... and I don't want to have to carry around an extra piece of hardware in order to move files to and from work. My work blocks Skydrive so using the cloud is not a viable solution for me. I can't keep emailing files to and from my phone in order to get files to and from it.
I can't get a WP7 until I can figure out how to give me access to use it as Mass Storage. I don't want to put files on there and then use them in WP7... I just need a way to transport files from one computer to another without using the cloud.
Saying, "just get a flash drive" is not a solution. And by the way, I'm going to get 2 for 1 on contract with T-Mobile and it'll be $199.99 for two phones. It will not cost me $500.
you don't wanna carry around two devices, yet you will carry around one device and a cable which takes probably more space than the usb drive...
reflect yourself and buy the damn device, if you ask me.
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Most everyone here at XDA who is interested in WP7 has already read that quote from Microsoft. You keep saying it's not a mass storage device... I know that. There is a Windows registry edit that allow the phone to become mass storage which has direct access to the media folders in the phone.
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Mass Storage implies storing any type of file, that is not safe on WP7, and thus why its not allowed. This mode you are referring to is only for media files, and no it is not allowing the phone to become mass storage. You are making the PC think a mass storage device is connected.
Why do the reg trick if you need Zune, that defeats the purpose.
001mic said:
you don't wanna carry around two devices, yet you will carry around one device and a cable which takes probably more space than the usb drive...
reflect yourself and buy the damn device, if you ask me.
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Wow. Just... wow. Ever heard of owning more than one USB cable? Don't know about you but I'm willing to spend $3.00 to make this not a problem.
vetvito said:
Mass Storage implies storing any type of file, that is not safe on WP7, and thus why its not allowed. This mode you are referring to is only for media files, and no it is not allowing the phone to become mass storage. You are making the PC think a mass storage device is connected.
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This is why I am asking the question. I want to find out if it's safe, what the implications are, etc. Can you tell me why it's not safe?
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Why do the reg trick if you need Zune, that defeats the purpose.
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Precisely why I asked what Zune does to the system to make Windows recognize it as Mass Storage, meaning what drivers and/or registry edits does it perform to get it to see the device as storage. Since I can't install Zune at work, I'd like to know if it's possible to get it to do it with just some driver patches and registry edits.
I still don't get it. I have a micro sd usb stick that is about the size of a pencil eraser. Why is this hard to carry?
But, no, right now, there is no way to use a wp7 device as a mass storage device without the help of zune installation, so I guess you are stuck on 6.5
Guys, why are you offensive again?
He asks about something, and you're only answer is "but why do you want it?"
Is it the only thing you can say?
The "safe" argument is pretty bull****, it's basically MS which wants you to use MS software and stuff, rather than just be completely free.
There's no "danger". It's rather a strategy more than anything else.
There was never any "unsafe" file which would do any harm to my device.
And about a device = mass storage:
Mass storage has many great implications, and this is the reason to have it.
Mass deleting/applying files of different types PC - Device.
Drag and drop is the best way to do it.
Today if I buy a new phone and want to simply transfer all data to this one from my previous one, I SIMPLY put it there. Done.
Instead, Zune will deal with your media but documents NO, you have to download them from Skydrive, where you UPLOADED them before. And once you get another WP7 device you download them AGAIN.
So mass storage is NOT about replacing memory stick.
It's about simple way of transferring data.
That is so simple. Why don't you get it?
001mic said:
you don't wanna carry around two devices, yet you will carry around one device and a cable which takes probably more space than the usb drive...
reflect yourself and buy the damn device, if you ask me.
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I'm with this guy, just get the USB drive. Yea it's more convenient, but there nothing like a cheap USB stick. I have one my keychain and never notice it and don't seem to understand the problem you have about not wanting two devices. Plus, using a USB stick is more professional than plugging a cable to the computer from the phone.
-Just my opinion
doministry said:
Guys, why are you offensive again?
He asks about something, and you're only answer is "but why do you want it?"
Is it the only thing you can say?
The "safe" argument is pretty bull****, it's basically MS which wants you to use MS software and stuff, rather than just be completely free.
There's no "danger". It's rather a strategy more than anything else.
There was never any "unsafe" file which would do any harm to my device.
And about a device = mass storage:
Mass storage has many great implications, and this is the reason to have it.
Mass deleting/applying files of different types PC - Device.
Drag and drop is the best way to do it.
Today if I buy a new phone and want to simply transfer all data to this one from my previous one, I SIMPLY put it there. Done.
Instead, Zune will deal with your media but documents NO, you have to download them from Skydrive, where you UPLOADED them before. And once you get another WP7 device you download them AGAIN.
So mass storage is NOT about replacing memory stick.
It's about simple way of transferring data.
That is so simple. Why don't you get it?
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In this case tough, he just wants it for the memory stick replacement.
I'm right with you that, if it were up to me to choose, I would probably implement it, but to not buy the device because you have to carry around the stick - this I can not understand.
That's of course just my opinion. Maybe he should buy a Android than.
I don't see why anyone would want to use a WP7 phone to transfer files instead of using a tiny USB stick on your keychain. For a start, you would have to sacrifice a bunch of space on your phone so you have room for the files you want to transport. With plenty of people moaning about the lack of space on WP7 phones, why would you want to keep Gigabytes of storage unused just in case you want to move some files around? It makes no sense.
You should be filling your phone up with media, games etc. USE THE SPACE!
I've had a 32GB USB memory stick hanging off my keychain for a while now and it's no bother at all. I can just plug it into the work PC and hey presto I can copy files around to my heart's content. Why on Earth would I want to bother with a bloody great USB cable? What a pain!
This obsession with using a WP7 phone as a memory stick is absolutely baffling! I get the impression it's a case of "I wanna do it 'cos I can" which isn't really a reason at all, is it?
And saying you can't be bothered to "carry two devices" is ridiculous - your choice is;
A) Carry your WP7 phone and a tiny keyfob on your house keys
B) Carry your WP7 phone and a bloody great USB cable
And you're saying choice A is more hassle? Eh?!
Incidentally I have several USB keyfobs lying around doing nothing - let me have your address and I'll bung you one in the post. They were all sent to me by mates who used them to send me wedding photos.
Ok, so I know that this phone can be used as a USB drive. I'm trying to install Linux on my computer, but I don't have a CD or USB drive available other than my phone. Would it be possible to install Linux using my phone?
Thanks
You would need to figure out a way for the computer to read the phones SD card as an ISO which can be done on a standard SD card using Unetbootin or something similar. However if you put it into the phone the phone itself may not see it as a usable drive and want to format it.
+1 for Unetbootin, it makes the drive bootable. However older versions would format the drive first... I think the newer versions don't, but don't hold me to that. Also it installs to the root directory of the drive so it would suck to remove it later.
No CD drive? Are you using a "slim" laptop?
If you have a floppy drive, you could do the "oooold school" install with 40+ floppies, ha ha ha.
If you have access to a second PC, couldn't you network 'em via an ethernet cross-over cable (or hub) and install over the network?
I'm gonna recommend going and buying a $10 thumb drive.
Then, as long as you're running Linux anyway, I'm gonna shamelessly plug Fuduntu.
ST3ALTHPSYCH0 said:
Then, as long as you're running Linux anyway, I'm gonna shamelessly plug Fuduntu.
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What ever happened to RedHat? Is it still around these days?
At risk of total thread derailment:
Red Hat still sponsors the community development of Fedora and actively deveopes and supports RHEL (RedHat Enterprise Linux).
Fuduntu is a Fedora spin, for which I'm a dev (very junior though I may be).
zuriken said:
What ever happened to RedHat? Is it still around these days?
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Its still around- a popular distro of it is fedora- it just seems most people, especially working with android go debian based instead of anything else like rpm(redhat)
Edit- and I should have refreshed the page before I responded.
di11igaf said:
Its still around- a popular distro of it is fedora- it just seems most people, especially working with android go debian based instead of anything else like rpm(redhat)
Edit- and I should have refreshed the page before I responded.
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Fedora 14 user here.
Returning to the original idea
Well, maybe you could format your card with one of the tools Linux provides to create bootable USB drives.
The problem starts when you turn on your computer to boot from the drive, as you would have to force your phone to USB drive mode and I'm not sure if the detection process will be fast enough so the PC catches the phone as a pen drive.
However, if you have no other choice at the moment (when I formatted a netbook I preffered to buy a 8GB pendrive and forget about any other trouble) you might give it a try. If it works please post back...
Hi:
on another site, it has boiled to using this as a really good solution that works for usb support..
according to http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/296505-functional-usb-host-touchpad.html
use this for power supply w/o cord mess:: http://www.amazon.com/Solar-Powered-Battery-Charger-Adapter/dp/B006DVMW92
use this to connect to TP:: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270823070399?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
thread is some 500 posts.. you need to type some lines to mount and unmount flash drive etc..
but supposedly it works..
anyone here have this rig going?
hmm, interesting. I have one of these too but don't have my uber usb converter set with me (currently deployed) but when I get back to the states I'll check it out. Considering WebOS and Android both run on top of a linux kernel I suppose if you have the right modules loaded for whatever you're doing then it could work.
Only one way to find out.
wil try the OTG USB Converter
Setting up a linux env in [and android, and native WebOS]. This looks like exactly what I'm looking for to adb etc. Yep, my linux config will be [hopefully] be to build an android dev environment. Gave it 20gig [lionshare]... that looks like a handy converter. Not trying the solor thing yet.
Rob
Cant figure out where else to ask this but you all seem to be the brightest group of computer users I know.
I may be dreaming on this technology and I cant find much form web searches here is my thought please let me know if it or something similar would work.
Have a thumb drive running an OS (Ubuntu, or Windows 7,8 whatever) that is plugged into a USB input on a cable or WiFi modem. So technically this thumb drive is always on or I can somehow access it to turn it on. Now the tricky part. I would like to access this windows or Ubuntu via my android table or my note 2 and use it as though it is my desktop (as needed). I see I can use apps like "Jump" to access a freestanding computer with internet connection but wondering if I can take it a step further and just have everything housed on the thumb drive.
I ask this because I recently lost my tablet due to display issues. I am interested in alternatives before I go buy another full on computer.
thanks in advance for the assistance.
It sounds like you are asking for two separate things, booting from a USB drive, and accessing that computer via a tablet. For the first, you can use a program such as Unetbootin, to create a bootable linux distro onto a USB drive. With that, you should be able to have a fully functional linux distro on a USB stick. For the windows equivalent, you could try WintoFlash. As for the second part of your question, if you enable SSH on your computer, you should be able to SSH tunnel into your computer from any other device that has SSH. As android devices already allow themselves to be SSH'ed into, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to use it to access your computer remotely.
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It sounds like you are asking for two separate things, booting from a USB drive, and accessing that computer via a tablet. For the first, you can use a program such as Unetbootin, to create a bootable linux distro onto a USB drive. With that, you should be able to have a fully functional linux distro on a USB stick. For the windows equivalent, you could try WintoFlash. As for the second part of your question, if you enable SSH on your computer, you should be able to SSH tunnel into your computer from any other device that has SSH. As android devices already allow themselves to be SSH'ed into, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to use it to access your computer remotely.
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Thanks for the info! Yes you are correct I am trying to do both those things, however I am trying to do it without the need of a physical PC. I kind of want this boot able thumb drive or whatever to be my PC that I can access whenever needed. I am thinking this is kind of like a virtual server but I dont know how those are housed. i have heard there are cable modems with a USB drive on them to allow them to act as a server if I could just access my boot-able windows or Ubuntu thumb drive that is in the cable modem that would be what I'm wanting.
Does it have to be a USB device? If not, you could look into using a Rasberry Pi to do just that. If you want to have your own virtual server, you would need some sort of physical PC or other device, although if you only want to have a box that just constantly hosts VM's, you could look into running your own ESXi server. with ESXi, you could just turn on the box and any computer on the network should be able to use the VM's that are being hosted on the server. However, you do need the VM tools to do it so I do not know if you can use an Android Tablet, unless you figure out a way to SSH into the VM without using the tools or porting the tools over to Android.
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Does it have to be a USB device? If not, you could look into using a Rasberry Pi to do just that. If you want to have your own virtual server, you would need some sort of physical PC or other device, although if you only want to have a box that just constantly hosts VM's, you could look into running your own ESXi server. with ESXi, you could just turn on the box and any computer on the network should be able to use the VM's that are being hosted on the server. However, you do need the VM tools to do it so I do not know if you can use an Android Tablet, unless you figure out a way to SSH into the VM without using the tools or porting the tools over to Android.
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Well it can be anything really just prefer not to go through having a "box" if I can skip all the steps and just access it to run the OS. That raspberry Pi looks pretty cool wonder if there is something similar out there to run a windows OS. Looking at it if I rooted my phone apparently i coudl run Ubuntu on the phone
yes, basically you would just run a virtualbox on your phone and SSH into it as a localhost. It works the same way for SSHing into an actual box. The problem is that you wanted windows OS, and windows 7 uses at least 20 gb in storage just for the OS alone, therefore it would be impractical to run it from your phone. If you want windows at some point you will need to have a box even if it is just running as a server.