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I was thinking about doing this, and if it is matte then that would make a difference. Just not sure if it is worth it, if the Adam comes out soon I may pick one up.
If you flip the Gtablet upside down, you will notice the angles look much better. Not sure why they mounted in a manner that has weaker angles, but it seems the most cost efficient way for a better display is if the connector, ribbon and bezel mount accommodated a 180 degree rotation
Adam is still in marketing concept stage for customer messaging. No word on their blog yet on distribution or mass production agreements by a contract manufacturer. Probably March release, if I were a betting person.
Hrmm well I Still wanna try this but I Probably wont get to it Untill atleast 2 more weeks. Broke till next pay check -_- Black Friday Deals Drained me....If all turns out good Ill post results.
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Ok so I was Reading the Hardware Breakdown thread and saw that the Model for the lcd display used in the g tablet Is used on notebooks. So if I Buy a Replacement Screen of the same model im assuming it would work if put on correctly right? Well the one in the G tablet looks to be Matte Finish type which explains bad viewing angles but I found this website that sells 2 different types of lcd Displays that should be interchangable. the Next time i Get Payed im Gonna buy the Glossy Version wich should provide Better Viewing Angles and Superior Crispness and see if it work as planed. Could this be the Screen Problem Solution we have been waiting for? Heres the Link
http://www.laptopscreen.com/English/screen-part-number/B101AW06~V.1/
Hopfully it works with our tablet and Improves the Screen Angles! This might be worse for outdoors though. if you click 'Info' on glossy it explains more!
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This sounds great let me know how it works out! My gTab arrived with about 10 dead pixels (most of them are small and i cant see them without being picky) and I am eager to try something else.
I thought viewsonic would be more picky about what kind of screens they put in their stuff.
These laptop screens might be the same, keep in mind. My netbook exhibits the same solarizing effect as my GTab - you just can't see it since you usually look at it head on.
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These laptop screens might be the same, keep in mind. My netbook exhibits the same solarizing effect as my GTab - you just can't see it since you usually look at it head on.
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I know all my laptops have better viewing angles or at least richer blacks. So I do have some hope at improvement, since the panel in mine is so messed up.
Does anyone have any experience with these exact panels? any recommendations?
any reviews on this!
the screen from the Dell Inspiron Duo (if it has the same single connector) seems to have a lot better specs. It's supposed to be 1366*768 with much better viewing angles than this piece.
In fact, I'm considering returning my GTab for one.
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the screen from the Dell Inspiron Duo (if it has the same single connector) seems to have a lot better specs. It's supposed to be 1366*768 with much better viewing angles than this piece.
In fact, I'm considering returning my GTab for one.
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3.5 hour battery life? Ew! Though the screen is nice; if it fits I wouldn't mind getting one and putting it in.
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3.5 hour battery life? Ew! Though the screen is nice; if it fits I wouldn't mind getting one and putting it in.
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Battery life isn't issue #1 for me. Usability is, and that's where the gtablet starts falling off for me. I feel that I can do a lot better for the money.
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I think the issue with the Dell screen is going to be the connector. I get the feeling nobody else is using the tiny non-locking Molex connectors the gtablet uses.
To those looking for reviews, just Google "Pixel Qi Review", I can't post links otherwise I would do so. There's several articles on Engadget, and a few videos on Gizmodo and Slashgear. The idea behind Pixel Qi is that in sunlight you can disable the backlight, and the sunlight is reflected off the back (inside) of the screen; this makes the sunlight act as a backlight, resulting in being more viewable outdoors. Also, the display can be switched between 'normal' LCD and 'e-paper' style as well. Really, the biggest reason I'm interested is the viewing angles. Netbook LCDs have horrible viewing angles (the G Tablet's screen is a Netbook LCD), so I would love to see this tablet with a better display.
Pilxel qi seems to way way more expensive priced at almost 300$, Which is almost the price of another tablet. Also do they even make pixel qi screens that work on this tablet? I couldnt find it on the website
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This sounds great let me know how it works out! My gTab arrived with about 10 dead pixels (most of them are small and i cant see them without being picky) and I am eager to try something else.
I thought viewsonic would be more picky about what kind of screens they put in their stuff.
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Why wouldn't you return that?
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Why wouldn't you return that?
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I just might, but i waited for a few weeks trying to pick one up. most of the pixel defects are small and right at the edge of the screen. there is one kind of annoying one right in the middle though :/
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I just might, but i waited for a few weeks trying to pick one up. most of the pixel defects are small and right at the edge of the screen. there is one kind of annoying one right in the middle though :/
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Return it! Complain! get a New one! dont stand for somthing less than satisfactory!
has anyone tried swapping out the screen?
It is my only gripe about the tablet lol.
Honestly i dont care though because all other tablets are priced 100-200 more and have lower hardware specs.
I can live with the screen considering it really isnt too bad... just by comparison it isnt as good as the iPad.
I cant compare 7" tablets though... because ... frankly they are 7 inches... you squeeze more pixels into a smaller screen and it will look nicer... simple as that.
If you think about it... us early g-tab adopters can hack ours up and when we want a new one ... probably sell a hacked up gtab for a pretty penny when we are done with it.
I'm not sure why there are so many complaints. How often are you going to look at a tablet at sharp angles?? The only legitimate angle that someone mentioned was if the tablet was laying flat on a table in front of you and you were reading an eBook or something.
Maybe it's just the way I use it, but I don't have a problem with the screen at all.
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I'm not sure why there are so many complaints. How often are you going to look at a tablet at sharp angles?? The only legitimate angle that someone mentioned was if the tablet was laying flat on a table in front of you and you were reading an eBook or something.
Maybe it's just the way I use it, but I don't have a problem with the screen at all.
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Landscape Mode is Fine but I Cant stand it when Im Trying to read a Book in Portrait mode. Kinda have to tilt it and it just looks stupid. This tablet is Best Landscape only. Thats why It Would be Nice to have a Better Screen With Better Angles. Theres 3 Versions of the LCD Screen I Mentioned on the first post. I Wonder if one of those would fit....hmmm....
The only thing that is stopping me from pulling the trigger on the gtablet is the viewing angle issue that everyone is complaining about. Honestly I dont care how the screen looks if you are looking at it in an angle because one will always look straight into it anyways.. Other than this, what else is the issue with the screen?
Sears will be running a 10% off on this tomorrow AM bringing the price down to $342 and I need to make up my mind to grab it for that price.
Thanks in advance.
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The only thing that is stopping me from pulling the trigger on the gtablet is the viewing angle issue that everyone is complaining about. Honestly I dont care how the screen looks if you are looking at it in an angle because one will always look straight into it anyways.. Other than this, what else is the issue with the screen?
Sears will be running a 10% off on this tomorrow AM bringing the price down to $342 and I need to make up my mind to grab it for that price.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi,
I'seen the comments about th screen, and while I'm not an expert on LCDs, I've never understood the complaints.
The screen on mine is bright, at 80%, and I don't notice much problem even at angles. I keep wondering if some Gtabs have different LCDs!
Jim
Probably the biggest issue I have is the solarizing effect that occurs when the screen is tipped back, while in landscape. This is something that is noticeable if you have the tablet flat on a desk and you are trying to view the screen that way. You can work around it by flipping the screen, but that doesn't work with all applications.
I don't think portrait mode is so bad, as I usually look at that straight on (it might be slightly high in contrast but you can turn it slightly to fix that).
IMO, viewing angle is not an issue but .... a privacy feature!
Definitely not a deal breaker for me. There are times where I wish I could get a wider angle, such as flat on a desk. However, it works fine for the majority of uses.
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The only thing that is stopping me from pulling the trigger on the gtablet is the viewing angle issue that everyone is complaining about. Honestly I dont care how the screen looks if you are looking at it in an angle because one will always look straight into it anyways.. Other than this, what else is the issue with the screen?
Sears will be running a 10% off on this tomorrow AM bringing the price down to $342 and I need to make up my mind to grab it for that price.
Thanks in advance.
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Would be nice if they would run it at $349 again and the 10%. Let me know if they will give you the 10% on it as I will go get another.
Go check a Staples and see if they still have a demo unit out(they're apparently pulling it but some store might still have a demo unit out -- Sears just has a cheezy mockup...), or maybe an Office Depot...
The viewing angle really isn't so bad when you're using as I've found all the time that I'm holding or have it propped on my lap I have an almost dead view so the viewing angle limitation is not apparent.
As others have mentioned there have been a few times when I'd've liked a better viewing angle, such as when I have laying on the desktop while transferring files to it or having it do things and want a quick check of the screen status w/o have to crane over it...
My biggest remaining complaint is 10" form factor and weight, but mostly the 10" which makes it unwieldly which is why I'll eventually be adding a 7" to complement it, likely a Nook Color(NC) ATM although I'm resisting(strongly) running out and buying one any second now... (made it through Thursday & Friday w/o buying one... keep telling myself more tablets are on the way and to wait a bit although B&N seem to be the best at support so far, and given that they're still supporting the eInk Nook(Nook B&W? NBW?)...)
OTOH the 10" & weight allowed them to pack in a pretty decent battery, and I can manage a few days between charges which I'm sure no 7" will be able to manage, and especially not the NC... going to have to charge every night, and watch screen brightness & WiFi usage...
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Since I added in the Sears line above, it's funny I went to Sears to buy one of those crappy cases(VS $6 one), and the sales guy was laughing about how they have almost nothing in stock... He mentioned that because I asked if they had any other cases than that one, and he said that's it.. going on to mention of the two netbooks on display only the ASUS was in stock, they had 1 HDMI cable, 2 VGA cables(not sure what he meant by this one), a couple of ipods... pretty sad... I can't help but wonder if all Sears stores are like that or just that one... if they're all like that Sears is in trouble...
The Sylvania tablet display had disappeared too, since I was last there in mid-November... still had the white & black PDNs on display, along with a lone Sony eInk reader...
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I got mine site unseen and also struggled with all the negativity before opening it. I finally broke down and gave it a go and can say I really love the device. Sure, the screen is probably its weakest link but far from the bleek picture painted in most reviews.
I guess many sites are holding the Gtab up to iPad standards. The screen is just a regular old netbook LCD. Viewing angles are made for landscape and looking down at 45 degrees. Everything outside that is pretty poor but typically that is how I hold the thing and the viewing angle doesn't bother me. Portrait is another story and if you want this thing to be an e-book reader (or anything) in that form factor then you will be sorely disappointed.
Viewing angle sucks big time and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to justify and otherwise good amchine they purchase and spent a lot of time getting to work properly.
It is a pain to type on in any kind of angle as the most comfortable angles make screen look negative polarity.
For straight on viewing I agree it's nice
I just got mine in sears with a 5% discount off of $379. I know the stock rom is junk and I dont even care as i'll flash it with vegan or tnt. I am trying hard to like the screen. In portrait mode, when viewing web pages, the text is alright but the pictures have this solarizing effect which I am not able to get over with.. darn.. why didnt they put a good screen on this otherwise a good power house.. will play around lil bit before deciding if i should keep it or send her back
Hi Guys,
Are all variants of the Malata tablet (including the GTablet) have the same LCD screen? I want a 10" Tegra 2 tablet with a better screen.
Thanks.
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Viewing angle sucks big time and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to justify and otherwise good amchine they purchase and spent a lot of time getting to work properly.
It is a pain to type on in any kind of angle as the most comfortable angles make screen look negative polarity.
For straight on viewing I agree it's nice
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You HAVE to have a different screen than the one I got. I can't get it to go negative no matter what angle I turn it too. The wife and I browsed the web for hours tonight and it worked perfectly, the viewing angle is much better than her hp laptop.
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Maybe different batches have different screens. Mine is terrible if I hold it in portrait and look at it straight on. I have to tilt it to one side to make it usable unless it's completely dark.
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Maybe different batches have different screens. Mine is terrible if I hold it in portrait and look at it straight on. I have to tilt it to one side to make it usable unless it's completely dark.
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My gtab has same problem in portrait.
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You HAVE to have a different screen than the one I got. I can't get it to go negative no matter what angle I turn it too. The wife and I browsed the web for hours tonight and it worked perfectly, the viewing angle is much better than her hp laptop.
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You mind telling us where you got the GTab, and when? And your model # on the box? I wouldn't discount the possibility that you might have slightly different device than the rest of us.
I know that bekit had gotten a device that had different partitions than the "norm" - maybe the LCD is different, as well. All speculation, of course.
The viewing angle was the only thing I was worried about on this device prior to purchase as this was the main complaint, but after receiving it, its not as bad as some people made it to be, really some people are just really picky. I'm usually really anal about these things too but it is really not that bad.
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Maybe different batches have different screens. Mine is terrible if I hold it in portrait and look at it straight on. I have to tilt it to one side to make it usable unless it's completely dark.
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Ditto whoever says it is good must own a white and orange cane
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Ditto whoever says it is good must own a white and orange cane
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There's a difference between good and good enough. The screen is good enough. Could be better, but works fine. I think most "positive" responses are of similar mind.
My workaround is to place a gum eraser underneath the top of the unit when I'm using it at the kitchen counter. The extra 1 1/2" of tilt helps viewing and the eraser doesn't slip.
An annoyance but definitely not a show stopper for me....
Can someone post a picture of what this viewing angle issue. I see so many references too it, bit I can't get a good visual of what people are taking about
I want to get the G-Tablet. It's a powerful device and it seems that VEGAn-TAB, TnT Lite, Cyanogenmod, and zPad are gonna support this thing for a LONG time. The only thing I'm concerned about is the screen. Is it really as horrible as everyone says it is?
Some people say it's no big deal, and some people say it makes their eyes hurt. I don't care about viewing angles; I'm sure I won't be laying it on a flat tabletop trying to use it. But the supposed screen issues are making me want to wait to see what MSI, Moto, and Asus reveal at CES. It seems like all those tablets will be awesome, but will they be as hackable as the G-Tablet? The G-Tablet is like a Nexus Tab.
Are there any pics that will give me an idea of how the screen looks? Are there demos set up at Office Depot?
I wouldn't expect anything from Moto to be easily hackable as their current lineup suggests. The viewing angles in portrait are nothing to right home about but they are not that bad in landscape. I got my latest one at Office Depot and they had one display. I'm sure there will be better things coming but due to the great devs here this should be a great device until something very much better comes along. Roebeet posted some pics of the viewing angles but I couldn't find them easily
The viewing angles are bad, but other than that the screen is fine. From straight on (especially in landscape) it's a pretty nice image. If you aren't worried about the viewing angles, then there's nothing to worry about the screen
What about using it flat on the table? Lets say normal viewing/using when its laying flat on the table.. I am not concerned with others being able to see it.. just when I am using it on a table flat I want to to be viewable with at least 80% of the quality..
Also.. what about portrait.. does it give that "3D" effect with one eye having a different contrast than the other?
If any of you have a netbook.. take the netbook and stand it portrait and look directly at the screen.. You will know what I mean..
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The viewing angles are bad, but other than that the screen is fine. From straight on (especially in landscape) it's a pretty nice image. If you aren't worried about the viewing angles, then there's nothing to worry about the screen
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Find a store that has one on display. Staples used to and I think office depot still does.
Office depot has them on display. The last time i was there to buy a case i updated their display model to the newest viewsonic rom.
If you can't find one in the store, you can use any standard netbook screen as a good example - turn it back and forth and you'll see the solarization effect.
The screen is the #1 hardware issue I have with the device, which is ironic given that this was released by Viewsonic. As time has progressed, it's become an actual annoyance to me, so much so that it could (in all seriousness) be the main reason why I eventually sell mine. Portrait mode actually hurts my eyes after a short time, and trying to watch movies while the screen is layed back 45 degrees is completely useless.
I keep hoping that we can get a better LCD solution, as i would do that if it were possible.
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What about using it flat on the table? Lets say normal viewing/using when its laying flat on the table.. I am not concerned with others being able to see it.. just when I am using it on a table flat I want to to be viewable with at least 80% of the quality..
Also.. what about portrait.. does it give that "3D" effect with one eye having a different contrast than the other?
If any of you have a netbook.. take the netbook and stand it portrait and look directly at the screen.. You will know what I mean..
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If it's lying flat on a table 6" to a foot in front of you and you are sitting "properly" (back against backrest) the image is borderline unusable. you have to hunch over it to get the straight on view.
In portrait, you are correct, it very much has the "3D" effect. I can't really use it that way without getting annoyed/headache.
Needless to say the screen is a deal breaker for me. I'm going to play with this tablet for a week or so and return it and wait for the good stuff to come that gets announced at CES. With that said i fully expect to have to pay at a minimum one hundred more than for this tablet. This tablet is really a steal at 400 if you can live with the screen.
Appreciate the honesty... It sounds like it would be a deal breaker for me... Last night I was playing around with all the android phones at the new years party and then the ipads that were laying around and have to say.. that screen is just amazing... but love the openness of the Android platform..
The net net is... the Apple OS is nothing to dismiss and the screen is the cherry on top...
If these vendors dont put in what is needed into the screen, coupled with I would say a very immature platform it will take at least 2 generations before it catches mass acceptance...
Lets see what this week has in store at CES..
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If you can't find one in the store, you can use any standard netbook screen as a good example - turn it back and forth and you'll see the solarization effect.
The screen is the #1 hardware issue I have with the device, which is ironic given that this was released by Viewsonic. As time has progressed, it's become an actual annoyance to me, so much so that it could (in all seriousness) be the main reason why I eventually sell mine. Portrait mode actually hurts my eyes after a short time, and trying to watch movies while the screen is layed back 45 degrees is completely useless.
I keep hoping that we can get a better LCD solution, as i would do that if it were possible.
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Thanks for all the replies. I was going to wait for CES anyway, but now I'm thinking I'll wait for MSI's WindPad 110 regardless. The internal hardware is probably very similar and the device will probably be more polished and more supported. Hopefully in the future we'll see VEGAn-TAB or zPad on it
I am one of those owners who wanted to love the G Tablet. I had stars in my eyes when I snapped it up at my local Office Depot.
The screen absolutely killed it for me though.
I am a long time tablet user (mostly on Nokia Tablets). I love the form factor. Just waiting for someone to do it right. From what I can gather thus far, G Tablet is that device who can live with the screen, Nook Color is the device for those who don't mind a lack of buttons, and Galaxy Tab is for those who don't mind paying through the nose to not give in to Apple.
I still love mine, regardless of the screen. I knew about the viewing angles going in and checked it out at OfficeDepot before buying (they had a live one on display). In landscape you can easily get a good viewing angle while holding it, it's not so bad that you have to constantly hunt for the right angle. In portrait it's not so great, my use case for the tablet is 90% hand held and in landscape so I'm alright with this. On a table you would definitely want to prop it up at an angle, if you can do that it would be fine but laying flat is a no go unless you want to slouch way over the tablet.
I have a Nexus One, so I know what a good screen looks like. Honestly, the gtab doesn't bother me. I hold it pretty much straight on, or flip it upside down sometimes when browsing, and it's just not a big deal to me. Sometimes when it's on my lap I'll put a remote control under the top of the screen to prop it just a touch.
I'd also add that just because new tabs get announced at CES doesn't mean they'll be available next week. I bet most won't come out until March, with Honeycomb. I'm quite happy to have the gtab to play with until then.
I hope you guys won't mind me barging in here to ask a quick question. It is about the screen (okay, sort of).
Lets say I wanted to use my GTablet on a table, is there any good stands to put it on so that I can use it and not have to hunch over as I usually do (it hurts my back sometimes not to mention just plain awkward)?
I just thought there might be a particular kind or model that is the best that the GTablet would stay on securely. If not, I'll just locate some general-type stand and use that.
The screen is why I returned my unit. I don't expect too much from MSI, their netbooks also had horrible screens. Also, do not expect anything in 10.1 to be iPad similar. All the 10.1" screens are TN ****.
Folks,
I have a question -- what is all the big deal about tables?
If I want to work on a table, I use my netbook or my laptop or even go to the computer room and use my desktop.
I use my tablet sitting in a chair holding it or letting it rest in my lap. Or sometimes I set it on a picture holder on the desktop while I access my desktop. Or I lay on the bed with it sitting on my belly or chest (HO! HO! HO!) Or in the car my wife holds it while she plays games. IMHO, tablets are designed to be used portably and that means getting it in front of you in your hands or on an appropriate holder.
Yes, my view angles are not shiny either. But I don't use it in ways that make that a factor. I have adapted to maximize it. As someone said, looking at the screen what I call normally it puts out a great picture.
Rev
P. S. -- Not trying to start a flame war. I just think some people are expecting too much of a reasonable-priced just-introduced product. Nothing -- not even (especially) the fruity products -- is perfect. IMHO.
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Folks,
I have a question -- what is all the big deal about tables?
If I want to work on a table, I use my netbook or my laptop or even go to the computer room and use my desktop.
I use my tablet sitting in a chair holding it or letting it rest in my lap. Or sometimes I set it on a picture holder on the desktop while I access my desktop. Or I lay on the bed with it sitting on my belly or chest (HO! HO! HO!) Or in the car my wife holds it while she plays games. IMHO, tablets are designed to be used portably and that means getting it in front of you in your hands or on an appropriate holder.
Yes, my view angles are not shiny either. But I don't use it in ways that make that a factor. I have adapted to maximize it. As someone said, looking at the screen what I call normally it puts out a great picture.
Rev
P. S. -- Not trying to start a flame war. I just think some people are expecting too much of a reasonable-priced just-introduced product. Nothing -- not even (especially) the fruity products -- is perfect. IMHO.
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If this is cause I came in here asking about that (instead of making a new topic or just keeping that to myself), then I'm sorry.
It almost seems like that post was directed at me (not saying that in a mean way, more of 'aww *sad face* way).
I was the one who came in here in this topic asking about that specifically. Never mind about that, then.
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I hope you guys won't mind me barging in here to ask a quick question. It is about the screen (okay, sort of).
Lets say I wanted to use my GTablet on a table, is there any good stands to put it on so that I can use it and not have to hunch over as I usually do (it hurts my back sometimes not to mention just plain awkward)?
I just thought there might be a particular kind or model that is the best that the GTablet would stay on securely. If not, I'll just locate some general-type stand and use that.
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This has been discussed in the accessories portion of the forums, but what i use that works great is a nice little china plate stand thingy that my wife had bought for some china she wanted to put in the china closet, looks like a wire hanger type thing cost her 2 bucks and works amazing for the tablet on the table so i dont need to "hunch over". im sure you can get it at any store like staples or something like that, dont know exactly where she got it from.
hope this helps.
Some people say that the sceen is defective becase of the poor viewing angle. That is wrong. The screen is not defective. It is just a lower priced screen which in the end translates in a lower price for the tablet. A better screen would increase the price.
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Some people say that the sceen is defective becase of the poor viewing angle. That is wrong. The screen is not defective. It is just a lower priced screen which in the end translates in a lower price for the tablet. A better screen would increase the price.
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or them just putting the screen on the right way and not upside down like it seems they did since turning it upside down works perfectly.
Hope someone at Asus reads this!
Louder, front facing stereo speakers
Even louder speakers on the keyboard battery dock
Direct Power toggle switch for switching between internal tablet battery and keyboard dock battery (instead of charging the internal, which is only 40% efficient)
86 the touch pad to make room for a larger battery
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Hope someone at Asus reads this!
Louder, front facing stereo speakers
Even louder speakers on the keyboard battery dock
Direct Power toggle switch for switching between internal tablet battery and keyboard dock battery (instead of charging the internal, which is only 40% efficient)
86 the touch pad to make room for a larger battery
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How does one 86 something? I can guarantee all of this will not be on the new TF tablet.
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How does one 86 something? I can guarantee all of this will not be on the new TF tablet.
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That's too bad. It would've been cool if the new keyboard dock had loud built in speakers.
The audio on the TF700 is pretty low.
They're not going to get rid of the touchpad. That's like telling Ford to get rid of the steering wheel in their new cars. The point of a Transformer is that it's a Tablet/Laptop combo. I, for one, use the touchpad a lot.
If there's front facing speakers, the bezel will get even bigger. No, thanks. The GT2 10.1 has frontfacing speakers. And it's humongous. So much, in fact, that I believe they've been moved to the back in the GT3.
Speakers on the dock, not going to happen. A tablet doesn't send audio across the power plug. Also, Speakers on dock = less room for battery. You just asked for a bigger one..
Toggle switch, nope. Also not happening. Too messy for people who don't use the dock, and potentially too damaging to both batteries. Plus Google would have to incorporate the option into Android itself for it to work.
Bit unrealistic wishlist..
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They're not going to get rid of the touchpad. That's like telling Ford to get rid of the steering wheel in their new cars. The point of a Transformer is that it's a Tablet/Laptop combo. I, for one, use the touchpad a lot.
Speakers on the dock, not going to happen. Also, Speakers on dock = less room for battery. You just asked for a bigger one..
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Okay, leave the touch pad in. For me, it's too small to even be useful, esp when you have a touch screen.
If there's front facing speakers, the bezel will get even bigger. No, thanks. The GT2 10.1 has frontfacing speakers. And it's humongous. So much, in fact, that I believe they've been moved to the back in the GT3.
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Sorry, you're wrong. These are tablets, not phones. Phones will eventually have zero bezels. No way that same trend is going to happen with tablets. Tablets need bezels because that's what people use to hold them. The Nexus 10 has front firing speakers and it sounds better than any tablet. There's no harm is making a tablet bezel slightly larger, it just means more area for people to hold + larger chassis for larger batteries. The race to be thin and small (bezel-less) makes no sense if a tablet can only get 6hrs screen-on time.
A tablet doesn't send audio across the power plug.
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It's not a power plug, it's a proprietary Asus connector, so if they wanted to, they could send audio to more beefy speakers built into the dock.
Also, Speakers on dock = less room for battery.
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Sorry, you're wrong about this too....there's plenty of space on both sides of the touch pad to add some speakers. There is no battery underneath that horizontal area directly under and on both sides of the touchpad, it's empty space...a perfect place to add some some top firing speakers. Look it up, Google is your friend plus, adding awesome sounding speakers to the dock would give people another reason to buy the dock accessory...esp true since the speakers on the TF700 are weak and sound so low.
Toggle switch, nope. Also not happening. Too messy for people who don't use the dock, and potentially too damaging to both batteries. Plus Google would have to incorporate the option into Android itself for it to work.
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The toggle switch would be a software switch. Google wouldn't have to incorporate anything, this is Android. The manufacturers add things to it, not Google. How do you think the dual battery icon in the notifications area was made? You thought Google did that? LOL :laugh: Yea, Asus did not go to Google and ask them to do that for them. Asus did it themselves.
And there is no possible way that having a system with two batteries that can directly power the device is damaging to both batteries. Perhaps you don't understand that this concept is? The current battery system works by having the dock battery charge the tablet battery. This system is VERY INEFFICIENT, only about 40% efficient from my calculations. It's like having a 10Whr battery in the dock but only getting 4Whr of real battery use out of it because you're not using the power directly but instead using it to charge another battery. If Asus switched to a direct power dual battery system, you would get 100% battery use from the dock battery versus a pathetic 40% what we get now. It's like having a swappable battery in a phone. However, instead of swapping out the dead battery for a fresh one, you just flip a software toggle switch and the tablet starts using the dock's battery instead of the internal one.
The reason why Asus went with the dual battery charging system instead of a dual battery direct power system is because the former is easier to design, from an electrical engineering standpoint and therefore cheaper.
The touchpad is no smaller than the one on my 17.3" laptop.... I much prefer to have the option to use a touchpad, especially when I'm watching films. I use handcream fairly often, and the touchpad is a lifesaver. I don't want to have to clean my screen every other minute... And a mouse isn't useful without a surface.
The speakers aren't weak if you use the right app. Try Diceplayer. You can set it to 400%, my neighbours came over asking if I could please turn the sound down a notch.
I didn't say the bezel needed to dissapear, where did you get that one from? I said it should not get LARGER.
And they wouldn't add speakers to the dock... It would render their Audio Dock (which is meant for the speakers!) redundant. https://www.asus.com/Tablet_Mobile_Accessories/Audio_Dock/
There is a significant difference between adding another icon and changing the entire power schematic. Anyone can add a secondary battery image, most battery apps do it. Found an app yet that can change the power flow? No, didn't think so.
They've released pictures and it's pretty much identical in design.
That said. The notion is good.
Maybe not front facing speakers but speakers built into the dock would be immense
Exactly it looks to be using the same housing as the infinity does now so no dreams have come true this time.
My safest guess is that none of the things in your wish list is going to materialize, especially when all the hands-on videos have shown that the new Infinity will have the exact same design, ports, etc... as our tf700 (ASUS still can change things around, but it is highly unlikely). The speakers have never been my concern. What I would like ASUS to improve is actually the glossy screen, too much glare and reflection to use the tablet outside (even though the brightness is awesome).
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Okay, leave the touch pad in. For me, it's too small to even be useful, esp when you have a touch screen.
Sorry, you're wrong. These are tablets, not phones. Phones will eventually have zero bezels. No way that same trend is going to happen with tablets. Tablets need bezels because that's what people use to hold them. The Nexus 10 has front firing speakers and it sounds better than any tablet. There's no harm is making a tablet bezel slightly larger, it just means more area for people to hold + larger chassis for larger batteries. The race to be thin and small (bezel-less) makes no sense if a tablet can only get 6hrs screen-on time.
It's not a power plug, it's a proprietary Asus connector, so if they wanted to, they could send audio to more beefy speakers built into the dock.
Sorry, you're wrong about this too....there's plenty of space on both sides of the touch pad to add some speakers. There is no battery underneath that horizontal area directly under and on both sides of the touchpad, it's empty space...a perfect place to add some some top firing speakers. Look it up, Google is your friend plus, adding awesome sounding speakers to the dock would give people another reason to buy the dock accessory...esp true since the speakers on the TF700 are weak and sound so low.
The toggle switch would be a software switch. Google wouldn't have to incorporate anything, this is Android. The manufacturers add things to it, not Google. How do you think the dual battery icon in the notifications area was made? You thought Google did that? LOL :laugh: Yea, Asus did not go to Google and ask them to do that for them. Asus did it themselves.
And there is no possible way that having a system with two batteries that can directly power the device is damaging to both batteries. Perhaps you don't understand that this concept is? The current battery system works by having the dock battery charge the tablet battery. This system is VERY INEFFICIENT, only about 40% efficient from my calculations. It's like having a 10Whr battery in the dock but only getting 4Whr of real battery use out of it because you're not using the power directly but instead using it to charge another battery. If Asus switched to a direct power dual battery system, you would get 100% battery use from the dock battery versus a pathetic 40% what we get now. It's like having a swappable battery in a phone. However, instead of swapping out the dead battery for a fresh one, you just flip a software toggle switch and the tablet starts using the dock's battery instead of the internal one.
The reason why Asus went with the dual battery charging system instead of a dual battery direct power system is because the former is easier to design, from an electrical engineering standpoint and therefore cheaper.
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Say all you want ShadowLea = not Asus and I agree this wish less is very unrealistic. If they wanted that toggle switch thing you keep blabbing on about that maggicly makes the tablet more efficient they would have done it which I highly doubt the method you are getting at even works.You've taken Asus numbers and crunched them into your calculator, which is the wrong way to do it. This dock will only last under Asus testing standards but realistically it will never last that long.
Edit: I can agree on the dock speakers though.
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My safest guess is that none of the things in your wish list is going to materialize, especially when all the hands-on videos have shown that the new Infinity will have the exact same design, ports, etc... as our tf700 (ASUS still can change things around, but it is highly unlikely). The speakers have never been my concern. What I would like ASUS to improve is actually the glossy screen, too much glare and reflection to use the tablet outside (even though the brightness is awesome).
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Asus cant please everyone but a matted screen would be a horrrible idea for a tablet. Luckly this can be fixed by adding a glare resistant screen protector so everyone's happy
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Asus cant please everyone but a matted screen would be a horrrible idea for a tablet.
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Why? Because you could no longer use it as a mirror?
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Why? Because you could no longer use it as a mirror?
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no because it distorts the overall color and clarity of the screen and viewing angles are terrible making colors look strange at certin angles. plus you can not get screen protectors to make a matted screen look glossy which most people would preffer on a tablet but you can make a glossy screen glare resistant with a screen protector thus everyone is happy. Come on man think about it! luckily ASUS doesn't take ideas from these threads.
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A matte screen reduces colour depths, sharpness and brightness by about 30%.
On other tabs i agree about the glare under light, but the tf700 is bright enough to compensate. If the screen brightness is higher than the environmental light, you cant see the glare.
And you can train your eyes to focus past the glare. (the same way you adapt to a HUD.)
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no because it distorts the overall color and clarity of the screen and viewing angles are terrible making colors look strange at certin angles. plus you can not get screen protectors to make a matted screen look glossy which most people would preffer on a tablet but you can make a glossy screen glare resistant with a screen protector thus everyone is happy. Come on man think about it! luckily ASUS doesn't take ideas from these threads.
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I did not suggest that ASUS should go with matte screen, the point is that they can try to reduce the glare. One way other OEMs achieve that is to use optically bonded displays, which can be found on the iPhone 5, Optimus G, HTC One, etc... Why shouldn't ASUS try the same thing? I am no expert, but it obviously works quite well for phones. Even the Retina MacBook Pro has some tricks to reduce glare.
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A matte screen reduces colour depths, sharpness and brightness by about 30%.
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Yes it does reduce overall contrast, but in increases readability in bright environments.
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On other tabs i agree about the glare under light, but the tf700 is bright enough to compensate.
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Bright enough for indoor use, but still unusable in sunlight. There is a good reason why ebook readers do not have a glossy display.
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If the screen brightness is higher than the environmental light, you cant see the glare.
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...which doesn't work e.g. with white text on a black background, the typical terminal emulation.
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And you can train your eyes to focus past the glare. (the same way you adapt to a HUD.)
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You don't read longer text on a HUD.
I don't say a matte display is *better* than a glossy one (and I agree that it is possible to apply a matte screen protector on a glossy display), but it does have its own advantages and disadvantages, and I don't think it's such "a horrrible idea".
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Yes it does reduce overall contrast, but in increases readability in bright environments.
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True. But I'd rather have to put on a temporary protector than give up the thing that makes this screen so beautiful.
Bright enough for indoor use, but still unusable in sunlight. There is a good reason why ebook readers do not have a glossy display.
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I have a matte erearder (for use in the moments when a 700 euro device is not a good idea, like at the beach or in less safe neighbourhoods.), but it's less readable than my TF700 in sunlight. Unless I make the stupid decision to directly reflect the sun in my face .
The TF700 is the only display I can read with sunglasses on, though. Everything else is just black or nearly black.
...which doesn't work e.g. with white text on a black background, the typical terminal emulation.
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I have all my ereader apps set to night mode, because I absolutely hate white backgrounds (hurts my eyes.). But I haven't had any readability issues with the TF700.
You don't read longer text on a HUD.
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I'd use Google Glass to read ebooks if I could afford one.
I don't say a matte display is *better* than a glossy one (and I agree that it is possible to apply a matte screen protector on a glossy display), but it does have its own advantages and disadvantages, and I don't think it's such "a horrrible idea".
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No, it's not a horrible idea. But if I had to choose between glossy and matte, i'd go with glossy.
I bought a matte screen protector last year. It made t screen look like a kind e-reader. Fantastic for reading books horrible for everything else. Took it off after week.
I don't know the solution to the direct sunlight problem.
sorry, I was accidentlly in the wrong thread
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My safest guess is that none of the things in your wish list is going to materialize, especially when all the hands-on videos have shown that the new Infinity will have the exact same design, ports, etc... as our tf700 (ASUS still can change things around, but it is highly unlikely). The speakers have never been my concern. What I would like ASUS to improve is actually the glossy screen, too much glare and reflection to use the tablet outside (even though the brightness is awesome).
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Yea, it's sad that the new dock looks essentially the same as the TF201 dock.
It's good for current dock owners but bad for Asus.
I will probably upgrade to the Infinity 4K but use my original TF201 dock.
They could've sold a new dock with every new tablet if they had built in speakers and a new power management system.
Yes, and it would have made a lot of upgrading customers very angry in the process.. The backwards dock compatibility is a favour to us.
If every tab had a new, incompatible dock, we would be complaining about being ripped off.
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Greetings, so I have been a proud owner of the ROG series since the beginning, I have owned the original ROG, and currently I still own the ROG 2 & 5. I haven't owned the ROG 3 because it wasn't much of an upgrade from the 2 and there were compromises as we all know with the headphone jack,.. etc.
Up until the ROG 5 the bezels of all the ROG phones were symmetrical, but not the case with the ROG 5. I am drawn to symmetry especially when it comes to phones, I hate unsymmetrical bezels or phones with notches thats why I keep avoiding flagship phones because none meet my preference (I know it's not a big deal but in my case unfortunately it is).
So coming back to the headline, I have measured the top and bottom bezels and the bottom bezel is smaller by almost a 0.5 mm - 1mm. I have been noticing it since the moment I got the phone but I kept doubting it until I measured it, also i didn't believe ASUS will do it since there was no justified reason for them to do it in the first place (Disappointed honestly because I love this phone dual speakers design out of all the ROG series).
Anyway I wanted to point it out for those people interested, since I haven't found any mention of it in any thread or website.
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ASUS ROG 5 ( Chinese model CN_1005D)
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P.S : I added a photo of my phone scanned, then i measured it in Photoshop. This is what it turned out to be (As accurate as i could be ) ( A difference of 0.6 mm)
Are you sure it isn't a defect? Can't replicate your results.
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Are you sure it isn't a defect? Can't replicate your results.
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How can it be a defect, just by looking at the bezels from every angle you will notice that they aren't identical, now regarding the difference in measure I could be off but it's =<0.5 mm.
tyfor me it's perfectly even
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How can it be a defect, just by looking at the bezels from every angle you will notice that they aren't identical, now regarding the difference in measure I could be off but it's =<0.5 mm.
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You answered your own question. Your bezels aren't identical.
Got out a ruler just to make sure and mine are a perfect 1 : 1 match.
@Rashad83 I always thought I was the only one
None of my friends ever understood my problems with most phones and their notches/punch holes and bezels.
I would rather have exact same bezels than a larger screen ratio.
Anyway back to the topic: thanks for your information. From the pictures it looked perfectly.
The first picture with the stickers on the display might seem off because the adhesive wasn't sticking but the drawn line is correct I assure you. I hate to say it but they aren't identical 100% sure!
So this is the bottom bezel with the sticker on it.
Now I took the bottom sticker and placed it on the top bezel, you can clearly see they aren't identical.
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You answered your own question. Your bezels aren't identical.
Got out a ruler just to make sure and mine are a perfect 1 : 1 match.
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I am happy for you if that is the case, but still I can't believe it's a defect because as I understand it these displays come out from the same mold used to create all the ROG 5 displays. Basically I couldn't be the only case with this issue, it's either all the ROG 5 devices are suffering from this issue or I am one of the few( Maybe not a few, will have to see) suffering from this issue.
Anyway thanks for the feedback.
Lol, you weren't suppose to notice this
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I am happy for you if that is the case, but still I can't believe it's a defect because as I understand it these displays come out from the same mold used to create all the ROG 5 displays. Basically I couldn't be the only case with this issue, it's either all the ROG 5 devices are suffering from this issue or I am one of the few( Maybe not a few, will have to see) suffering from this issue.
Anyway thanks for the feedback.
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I never said you were the only case. Your issue would likely be an entire run (or location). I get that you are worked up about it, but a defect can be in the mold. It's still a defect.
What may be helpful is to post where you bought it and which version. There are two that work in the US, so this may be something that sways people if it only applies to one of them.
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I never said you were the only case. Your issue would likely be an entire run (or location). I get that you are worked up about it, but a defect can be in the mold. It's still a defect.
What may be helpful is to post where you bought it and which version. There are two that work in the US, so this may be something that sways people if it only applies to one of them.
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Thanks for the tip, the version I own is the Chinese version/model, i bought it locally so it wasn't shipped to abroad. The funny thing is that this is my second unit, the first unit I bought had scratches on the charger head so they replaced it for me. By the way I bought it from ASUS online official store.
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Thanks for the tip, the version I own is the Chinese version/model, i bought it locally so it wasn't shipped to abroad. The funny thing is that this is my second unit, the first unit I bought had scratches on the charger head so they replaced it for me. By the way I bought it from ASUS online official store.
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That's actually really interesting. I know mine is Tencent, but it came with the WW firmware. I wonder if Taiwan got a separate manufacturing location.
So this topic got me interested in comparing other ASUS ROG 5 screen bezel sizes. I found this clear sample from Androidauthority Website , credits go to them .
I measured the length of the top (0.28 CM) and the bottom bezel (0.26 CM) in Photoshop, which results in a ratio of (1.076923076923077 : 1).
Now by my phone measurements the top bezel from the top speaker to the start of the display i get a measure of (~0.5 CM). Now if we multiply the ratio by the size i got, the bottom bezel should be (0.4642857142857143 CM). So a difference of ~ 0.4 MM.
Either way this proves that they aren't identical, It's not a big deal or a shocking discovery. None the less it's good to know for people wondering.
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So this topic got me interested in comparting other ASUS ROG 5 screen bezel sizes. I found this clear sample from Androidauthority Website , credits go to them .
I measured the length of the top (0.28 CM) and the bottom bezel (0.26 CM) in Photoshop, which results in a ratio of (1.076923076923077 : 1).
Now by my phone measurements the top bezel from the top speaker to the start of the display i get a measure of (~0.5 CM). Now if we multiply the ratio by the size i got, the bottom bezel should be (0.4642857142857143 CM). So a difference of ~ 0.4 MM.
Either way this proves that they aren't identical, It's not a big deal or a shocking discovery. None the less it's good to know for people wondering.
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Starting to sound like an old cigarette commercial. That extra whatever millimeters longer
I wouldn't be surprised if it is intentional. The more I was thinking about it, the screen protectors have a black top and bottom that partially cut into the screen. The manufacturer just assumes they are identical and ends up covering it up. That would explain varied results.
The camera in the top likely requires just slightly more space. The screen has to be a specific size, but they might not have been able to make the phone any taller. Rather than make the screen smaller or put the camera into the screen, you end up with slightly different sizes.
This phone could use even more top & bottom bezels if you ask me! If you use it for gaming with max touch responsiveness, you know what I'm talking about - a lot of accidental touches around the lower corners in landscape. Not cool when gaming. The area block function in A-Crate doesn't work for me.
In addition I wish the display corners were just good old full size square corners instead of being as rounded as they are.
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This phone could use even more top & bottom bezels if you ask me! If you use it for gaming with max touch responsiveness, you know what I'm talking about - a lot of accidental touches around the lower corners in landscape. Not cool when gaming. The area block function in A-Crate doesn't work for me.
In addition I wish the display corners were just good old full size square corners instead of being as rounded as they are.
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I cannot agree more. Unfortunately there is no newer phone that meets these requirements. However the rog 5 is the least guly one in my opinion.
I hope that "no bezel", Notch, Punch hole trend with rounded corners ends as soon as possible.