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http://www.otterbox.com/HTC-G2-/-HT...HTC4-G2XXX_color=20&start=1&cgid=htc-g2-cases
I can't really tell from the pics so I was hoping somebody who might have gotten it would know whether I can keep the case on while using the physical keyboard?
There are threads in the Accessories section regarding those Otterbox thingies...
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I went to the link you posted and it says there that you can use the keyboard as you normally do. The answer was in front of you the whole time.
Why would you not be able to use the keyboard?!?!?!?!
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One part for the front and one for the back. Still slides open np. Otterbox cases are worth every penny, imo.
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Refer here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=867217
I've been using mine for about a month and a half. Its great. Love that it covers all the ports. But its slipped out of my hands numerous times. Wish it came with a holster.
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fast review of this case:
good, solid design. love the inside rubber lining on the back cover.
outside material really slick, it has slipped out my hands numerous times. got some nice "wear and tear" marks because of this.
coupled with good screen protector i got a brick i can throw at someones head and knock em out.
pain in the ass to take off to use game gripper.
front cover does not feel like it will last forever as the clips are thin and crappy.
8/10
the rubber/hardcase combo from case-mate for nexus one is my gold standard for cell phone cases.
Yesterday i bought the official DHD case from a HTC Outlet and my am i amazed,
Its sleek and amazing.
Best 10£ ive ever spent XD, but im looking for a stylus for it , where can i get one?
Why would you want to use a stylus with a DHD? Its big enough to use with the thickest of fingers
only reason is im a keen drawer and i have things like Sketchbook mobile etc on it, and for a drawing to look really good , precision is the best thing i can get for it, my fingers are thin but really get in the way if you want fine detail,
but granted you do have a point
I have the official HTC DHD case but got sick of taking the phone out of it all the time, luckily my bro bought me the Case-Mate Tough which is a lot less hassle.
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I got the Seidio Innocase Surface and Holster combo! Amazing duo.
look for a styles at amazon
there are more than enough styles for our touchscrreeens;
fkofilee said:
only reason is im a keen drawer and i have things like Sketchbook mobile etc on it, and for a drawing to look really good , precision is the best thing i can get for it, my fingers are thin but really get in the way if you want fine detail,
but granted you do have a point
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I see, well there is that HTC capacitive screen stylus from when the HD2 came out which the last time I looked was on expansys.com probably get it cheaper elsewhere though.
This is it but its just like using your finger as you can see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hqfMbZTfAI
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I have one of the pogo sketch which I used for my ipod touch, but drawing on autodesk sketchbook with my DHD was a problem because some how the screen doesn't detect my stoke as a single line (ie. it was broken down into few segments) and it is impossible to use it.
Hi,
I bought the same case - it's great! I don't use it all the time, only when I know the DHD needs protection from things like my keys.
I've tried silicon cases and those slimmer cases but nothing is quite as nice as the "naked" DHD
Purchased the same case a day after I got my HD - been an absolute life saver, only issues is it does get lose after months of use... be careful whipping your phone out of your pocket!
I have been using mine for about a month now (maybe more?) and it is still a good fit. The cardboard that stiffens the case has gotten a bit softer so the case flexes a fair bit more than it used to, but this hasn't impacted on the performance of the case.
Still a great buy!
Anyone else use the G2 with an arm band? I'm thinking of it since I don't want to go out and buy an ipod nano.
Which one are you using and how's the fit?
I have a feeling the G2 feels a bit too heavy for comfortable running, but it's worth a try to ask!
G2 is a bit heavy for armband imo
l think they cost around £10-20 so if you want to use it for running i would just
buy an ipod shuffle £30 or sony Walkman W-series £27 it is waterproof (if where you live rains all the time like here in scotland) and it doesnt have any wire.
bahmanxda said:
G2 is a bit heavy for armband imo
l think they cost around £10-20 so if you want to use it for running i would just
buy an ipod shuffle £30 or sony Walkman W-series £27 it is waterproof (if where you live rains all the time like here in scotland) and it doesnt have any wire.
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^------------ Pretty much what he said. another option though, as it may sound silly is to have a light belt with a side pouch to put the phone in and keep it secured. you can probably combine that with your housekeys and necessary cards and have a 1 pouch for all.
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^------------ Pretty much what he said. another option though, as it may sound silly is to have a light belt with a side pouch to put the phone in and keep it secured. you can probably combine that with your housekeys and necessary cards and have a 1 pouch for all.
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A fanny pack?
baggyrabbit said:
A fanny pack?
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oh god no not a fanny pack.
i meant like a vertical pouch that goes on your side not the front. something that is slimmer.. let me see if i can find some pics. brb
edit: something along the same vein as http://www.bargainstation.com/Produ...-Detachable-Shoulder-StrapNylonBlack-Platinum
not exactly this one, but the same idea. I have a plain one that has 2 slots. a big one for whatever electronic i have and a tiny one for keys or cards.
I just hold it in my hand, and I'm a girl. Not very comfortable but it's not the end of the world.
nano and shuffle don't have GPS on them and I can't google tracks or CardioTrainer on them.
I would like a functioning armband also. I can't hold the phone in my hand when I'm on a bike. I have a Nano for music, but I'm also wanting to use Endomondo or Sports Tracker
primeral said:
I would like a functioning armband also. I can't hold the phone in my hand when I'm on a bike. I have a Nano for music, but I'm also wanting to use Endomondo or Sports Tracker
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Check your local walmart, ive found quite a few iphone 4 pouches that fit my dz fine. Usually the cheaper no name brands fit, as theyre usually too big for the iphone because theyre so cheap lol. But i mean hey...whatever works right?
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search this forum for iarmband to see what people think. They are $15 iarmbands.com
I used one for my G1 and loved it. When I upgraded to the G2, I got an iarmband to fit it. I also use my iarmband to 'mount' my phone on exercise machines at the gym using the strap doubled over and velcroed with the additional tab.
I began using a football wrist coach with my Touch Pro a few years ago and my G2 fits nicely, as well. (google or bing "football wrist coach" to see more versions than you'll ever need) I stumbled on this while trying to find something in my stash of extra parts to secure the relatively brick-like Touch Pro to my upper arm and reduce the flopping during runs. The wrist coach holds everything securely and I'm not constantly having to readjust it.
When running, I have it rotated so the clear panel is facing away from my body to prevent the phone from hitting my torso. When riding, I have it rotated so the clear panel is on the inside of my wrist, which is convenient for quickly glancing down at the screen while in the aerobars or drops.
Cons:
- the come in several sizes, so you need to find a sporting goods store to assure you choose one that will fit your device and your arm
- you may need an extension cable for your headphones if you want to listen to music on your device while running; the swing of your arm can pull the earphones out of your ears easily - not a problem while riding typically.
e.g. My high-end Shure earphone cables are modular and work perfectly, whereas my mid-range $50 Sony's cables are too short for running comfortably.
As always, YMMV
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search this forum for iarmband to see what people think. They are $15 iarmbands.com
I used one for my G1 and loved it. When I upgraded to the G2, I got an iarmband to fit it. I also use my iarmband to 'mount' my phone on exercise machines at the gym using the strap doubled over and velcroed with the additional tab.
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I have been searching for a running band for months. This looked like the best option on this thread so I ordered one today. I will provide feedback when it arrives.
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Finally received and tried the iarmband. It works for my runs. I like that the touch screen works through clear screen cover. Issues are the headphone hole is not perfectly aligned. It is a little tight on the arm, could have more ajustability. Overall I am very happy with this solution, issues are minor. I would recommend.
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I have the Arkon SM-Armband and it works amazing and is only $14.95. Maybe find it cheaper on ebay or amazon. Here is the link to view videos and purchase:
<P><P>http://www.arkon.com/sports_armband/tmobile_g2_armband.html
I bought the Arkon SM armband for my G2...
I had read this thread plus the one over at androidforums.com before selecting it.
Here is the link.
EDIT, guess i need to make a couple more posts to put in a link....ok so here is the link text then for someone to copy if desired.
amazon.com/Arkon-Sm-Armband-Blackberry-Motorola-Smartphones/dp/B004VFFT3I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1327086415&sr=8-2
It works ok, although to make it real tight like i like it I put on 2 wristbands first (even though its up on my bicep area), then slide the thing on. Also, any case for the G2 must be taken off for it to slide in....even then its quite a tight fit. Not something you just pop in and go, gotta work it a tad. This is due to phone width, not.....face size....I guess.
Overall, pleased for the 16 bucks i dropped on it.
I bought a cheap armband a while ago off Ebay similar to this.
Works perfectly for me. Touchscreen works through the transparent plastic window.
Had to cut off a very small piece of the neoprene for the headphone plug to fit.
I'm thinking of replacing my current Samsung Book Cover case with the Otterbox Defender series case on my Note 8. My experience with the Defender series is great, it's a great case on smaller devices but I want to know what it's like on this device. This particular case has a built-in hinge, sleeve, and screen protector. If anybody is using/has used this case, please let me know how it is.
Here's a link: http://www.otterbox.com/Galaxy-Note-8-Defender-Series-Case/sam2-galaxy-note-8,default,pd.html?dwvar_sam2-galaxy-note-8_color=20&start=2&cgid=samsung-galaxy-note-8-cases
Best investments I made for my Note 2.0 and my Note 8.0. I got the glacier color to match my phone case. The protector sleeve is actually pretty nice. Sorry I am at work and can't post photos. When the tablet is in my day bag and with the protector over the screen I am 100% sure that nothing witll happen to the screen. The hinge is actually in the "sleeve" and allows the tablet to be stood up straight or at an angle for whatever view you prefer. Someone mentioned that there is no SD card accedd but I bought the Samsung USB adapter that plugs into the power cord slot and I run my 1 TB Passport external drive off that to watch movies, view and save documents and even listen to over 10000 songs I have saved on it. Only down side to that accessory is that it SUCKS the battery life. If I could find a splitter where it is charging and using the TB drive I will be set. The case is a lil wider than the Gumdrop and a few ounces heavier but its not too noticeable.Other than not being waterpoof this is by far the most protective case out there for the Note 8.0. I went from the Samsung "book" cover type, then bought the Gumdrop case thinking that was the best one out there but if I would have just waited about 3 weeks I could have saved $65 but oh well. So if anyone wants either one I will sell them dirt cheap. I would say buy it because you will not be disappointed.
Cheers
I just received my OBD today! I was so excited to get it installed onto my 8...the thing is like a virtual tank now!
Had official bookcover on it previously. I would have never bought one but it was a freebie with my purchase. I liked how the cover sort of flipped over onto the screen, almost like it was magnetized. I never used it as a stand because I read that it make them not lie flat anymore. Also like the on/off feature, to which I am accustomed on my Note 2 via "Smart Cover" app. However, that case felt very flimsy. The top cover would slide around on the screen when closed, and give the impression it could slip right out of your hands when carrying it. Protection from a drop? I doubt it! Liked the slim form but having children and a daily commute to and from work, throwing it in my handbag every day, or even taking it out at lunch to read or play a game...I was VERY paranoid and toted it around like a newborn!
If you don't want any added weight or girth to your tablet, then don't get the OBD. It does make it a bit bulkier, heavier, yes. But a HARD plastic screen cap that SNAPS into place when not in use? Awesome! Perfect for transporting in a bag or even just under your arm. Piece of mind, for sure. I'm not testing it out with any drops to be sure, but I'm pretty certain it would fair pretty well.
The outside rubber silicone shell was harder than I thought it would be. However, I think it seems like it would be more durable than a softer material. It's tough to disassemble, so that's also a plus that it won't just come apart on a whim. The built-in screen protector seems pretty decent. Clear as glass. It feels a bit funky with s-pen but it's not horrible. Just have to get used to it. It also seems just a tiny bit bowed (maybe it is just the one I got) so when you push down with the pen near the center you can feel it love ever so slightly towards the glass. Really, no big deal, and could just be mine. Gladly I overlook this for the extra insurance.
Love the rubberized side buttons and port covers. I think they are a definite plus to keep dust & such out. It's not waterproof but if water would get spilled nearby while sitting, or splashed from rain or whatever, it would definitely deflect some or all of it. Don't drop it in the fishtank or the toilet and you should be fine!
I'd be glad to answer any questions. I just got it today so I haven't used it too much yet, but I can tell I'm gonna love it!
Thanks for the feedback! I'm definitely going to get this case!
Awesome..!!
Well I too carry this case for my Note 8.0 and it has just made my Note a strong MACHO product....:laugh:
I got this case for my Note 8 last week and I love it.
I had an Otterbox Commuter on my iPhone 4S: saved it on one occasion in particular that could have cost me a new phone. I also had the Otterbox Defender on my old iPad 2. Both the old iPhone and old iPad are still going strong for my special lady friend and look brand new thanks to Otterbox.
I now have the Otterbox Commuter on my S4, Defender on Note 8 and I'm waiting for my recently ordered iPad Mini Defender.
These are great products, especially if you are a bit rough with your stuff.
How does the s-pen respond to the screen protector on the OBD?
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samwifi said:
How does the s-pen respond to the screen protector on the OBD?
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It feels....different. Not as smooth as on glass. You can definitely tell there is more "drag" as you're moving the spen across. I am not one of those super-picky people who complain about everything (lol) so it doesn't really bother me.
The thing I've noticed most about the sensitivity of the screen protector (in general) is that it makes the screen a bit less responsive. You must press a little longer (we're talking such a minute split second though, and I'm talking finger here) and more deliberately. This is caused, in my opinion, by the fact that the protector is not sucked fast to the glass underneath. I can feel mine move the tiniest bit when I press on it (because it is not adhered but simply sits on top) and that small bit d, of space between it and the screen provides a slight delay. Don't let that scare you. It's really not that bad. Of course, like I said, consider the source here (non-picky-person!!!!) I would rather have a well-protected device with a inconsequential difference in touch than a vulnerable, naked one! IMHO
Can you remove the screen protector like in other Otterbox cases?
Just got mine today. I don't think you can remove the screen without messing it up. Prepared to be told I'm wrong though.
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We are going on vacation next month and I don't want to go with just the book cover case. I just ordered this and can't wait to get it.
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StFuz said:
Best investments I made for my Note 2.0 and my Note 8.0. I got the glacier color to match my phone case. The protector sleeve is actually pretty nice. Sorry I am at work and can't post photos. When the tablet is in my day bag and with the protector over the screen I am 100% sure that nothing witll happen to the screen. The hinge is actually in the "sleeve" and allows the tablet to be stood up straight or at an angle for whatever view you prefer. Someone mentioned that there is no SD card accedd but I bought the Samsung USB adapter that plugs into the power cord slot and I run my 1 TB Passport external drive off that to watch movies, view and save documents and even listen to over 10000 songs I have saved on it. Only down side to that accessory is that it SUCKS the battery life. If I could find a splitter where it is charging and using the TB drive I will be set. The case is a lil wider than the Gumdrop and a few ounces heavier but its not too noticeable.Other than not being waterpoof this is by far the most protective case out there for the Note 8.0. I went from the Samsung "book" cover type, then bought the Gumdrop case thinking that was the best one out there but if I would have just waited about 3 weeks I could have saved $65 but oh well. So if anyone wants either one I will sell them dirt cheap. I would say buy it because you will not be disappointed.
Cheers
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So, after owning the Otterbox for 2 months and 9 days, both "tabs" on the side of the "sleeve" that hold the tablet on it have broke. I am by no means rough on this thing at all. Even with the tablet being in the case I am still super easy on it. Submitted an online warranty claim, Sent in a couple of pictures of the damage to Otterbox, they reviewed my claim and within 24 hours I have a replacement heading my way. So even though it broke, I am still 100% satisfied with their product and now with their warranty process. If you haven't gotten an Otterbox yet, I say get one.
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I have had mine a couple of weeks and I love it. I am glad to hear how responsive Otterbox is to replace it.
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I finally received mine in the mail (1 month wait while overseas from OtterBox, BUT it was free shipping!) and I don't think I'd be happier with another brand. The rubber isn't super soft, nor does it attract lint. I don't think the rubber will stretch any time soon, it's pretty solid! Definitely happy with my purchase!
I'm moderately happy with the Defender on my Note 2 (screen protector isn't flush, rubber stretches) and an considering a Note 8. Anyone got any long term reviews on this case?
re: Defefender-Note 8
Mine has been fine, EXCEPT one of the little tabs broke off of the cover portion. Since it was less than a year, I contacted OtterBox to get a replacement. I had everything gathered beforehand...receipt, place I purchased it, etc...ended up that I didn't really need all that stuff. They just wanted pics documenting the damage, and they also asked for the batch number (probably for quality control purposes-it's imprinted in the rubber.) They sent out the replacement right away via FedEx, had it in a few days. Could not be happier with their EXCELLENT customer service. I'm sure if you did have issues, they would be able to address them with you. Oh, and the rep on the phone was super nice & VERY friendly. :good:
I have the poetic revolution and i couldnt be happier. Its just as solid as the otterbox but only 30$ usd 3 year warranty it took to days from amazon..its feels premium protects well ...
After using a case mate naked tough case on my nexus 6 I was looking at getting a case with a kick stand for media consumption and so far not seen any for the 6p. If anyone has seen one can you let me know. Iv ordered a cheap one for the time being to offer some protection but it is only meant as a temporary until I can find one I actually want and fits the bill for my needs
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I've seen a few on Amazon with kickstands.
http://amzn.com/B015K7XRUM
http://amzn.com/B015X6FAE6
http://amzn.com/B014ZJKDEY
Do a deeper search than I did and I bet you'll find more. Most of these seem to be the extremely bulky case types, which don't interest me personally. One case I had for the Nexus 6 which had a kickstand but was also slim was the Seidio Surface case. http://www.seidioonline.com/motorola-nexus-6-surface-kickstand-case-garnet-red-p/csr3mtn6k-gr.htm You might want to contact them and see if they plan on making a N6P case. I'll vouch for Seidio - they make pretty good products. I've even deployed them with iPhones at work.
Thanks, none of those are on Amazon UK as far as I know but il keep looking
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I've seen a few on Amazon with kickstands.
http://amzn.com/B015K7XRUM
http://amzn.com/B015X6FAE6
http://amzn.com/B014ZJKDEY
Do a deeper search than I did and I bet you'll find more. Most of these seem to be the extremely bulky case types, which don't interest me personally. One case I had for the Nexus 6 which had a kickstand but was also slim was the Seidio Surface case. http://www.seidioonline.com/motorola-nexus-6-surface-kickstand-case-garnet-red-p/csr3mtn6k-gr.htm You might want to contact them and see if they plan on making a N6P case. I'll vouch for Seidio - they make pretty good products. I've even deployed them with iPhones at work.
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They are, I made a post about it a few days ago.
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I saw something recently about how a lot of the early cases are blocking important parts of the sensor/antenna bar (the black bar on the back of the phone). Does anyone know how much of the bar needs to be exposed to not impede functionality?
And to the OP, I've had a kickstand case with my last two phones, and last two tablets, and I just can't go back to a device without it now. So thanks for starting this thread.
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I saw something recently about how a lot of the early cases are blocking important parts of the sensor/antenna bar (the black bar on the back of the phone). Does anyone know how much of the bar needs to be exposed to not impede functionality?
And to the OP, I've had a kickstand case with my last two phones, and last two tablets, and I just can't go back to a device without it now. So thanks for starting this thread.
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I have found that many of these are preproduction images, so I wouldn't rely on the current pictures to show me anything more than a rough idea of what the final product will generally look like. Several product images have already changed on Amazon's site.
Wait until the middle / end of October for all the companies to get the products finalized. This forum already has several threads with replies from manufacturers saying designs aren't final. They are just trying to ensure they get their piece of the pie on early and preorder case dollars when they list products this early on Amazon.
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I have found that many of these are preproduction images, so I wouldn't rely on the current pictures to show me anything more than a rough idea of what the final product will generally look like. Several product images have already changed on Amazon's site.
Wait until the middle / end of October for all the companies to get the products finalized. This forum already has several threads with replies from manufacturers saying designs aren't final. They are just trying to ensure they get their piece of the pie on early and preorder case dollars when they list products this early on Amazon.
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Gotcha, thanks for the info.
Real interested in the i-Blason case since I'm looking for a hybrid case with a kickstand that gives me peace of mind without Nexus protect.
However I emailed them aobut the laser AF problem and got this:
Dear Customer
I cannot guarantee that will not block it. I have not information concerning this problem.
Thank you
CSR Team
Might try again in a few days...
Once Seidio releases their cases the Surface should have a kickstand. Using that case now on my S4 and love it.
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Sigh... No news on these? I only see the the moko and caseformers..... Anything more fancy and slim as i don't think seidio is making one
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This one on amazon appears to be slim, and has a kickstand too:
http://www.amazon.com/Google-Nexus-...33&sr=1-1&keywords=nexus+6p+cases+caseformers
Based on the picture, the laser autofocus appears to not be blocked.
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This one on amazon appears to be slim, and has a kickstand too:
http://www.amazon.com/Google-Nexus-...33&sr=1-1&keywords=nexus+6p+cases+caseformers
Based on the picture, the laser autofocus appears to not be blocked.
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Was thinking of it but looks very cheap
Plastic stand and i hate the silicon wrapped in Plastic.
I've seen nicer ones that are more costly by reputable companies but none for 6p
Bought a tpu for now from tudia.... Nice and slim but would like to have a spare with kickstand so I'll wait a bit more to see if anything comes up
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A case with a stand will be ultimately what I get.
As I am getting a silver phone rather than a black one, I would really love a crystal clear case with stand! Although I'm sure this will never happen.
If you guys are wondering the quality of the caseformers, I have one for my Note 5 and did a quick review on YouTube. See for yourself.
https://youtu.be/F9OtMs4ULqM
Thanks.... How is it when laying flat in a desk. Seems like there is a bulge.. Does it wobble at all?
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Spigen has a ring that attaches to any case (flat surface) that works as a kickstand and a grip helper for the phone. They also include a car mount with it. Here's the link
HolloWX said:
Spigen has a ring that attaches to any case (flat surface) that works as a kickstand and a grip helper for the phone. They also include a car mount with it. Here's the link
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Great find! Thanks for the tip...
Also, Amazon has it cheaper, for $16, and one day delivery with Prime:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015HSS4AM/
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Great find! Thanks for the tip...
Also, Amazon has it cheaper, for $16, and one day delivery with Prime:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015HSS4AM/
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Doesn't it make it wobble when flat? Looked cool initially but I think it's a bit weird to carry 24/7 on such a nice phone. And I doubt it last forever if constantly removing it.
Thanks anyway though
I haven't received it yet, but I know that I will be using it as a kickstand, so what's the relevance of "lying flat"? It looks like if you stick it above center, but still out of the way of the Imprint sensor, it should sit on a table/desk at a very convenient angle in either orientation...
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I haven't received it yet, but I know that I will be using it as a kickstand, so what's the relevance of "lying flat"? It looks like if you stick it above center, but still out of the way of the Imprint sensor, it should sit on a table/desk at a very convenient angle in either orientation...
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I just sometimes lay it flat and don't always use a kickstand. I enjoy it when I need it but not all the time.
I'd prefer a thin case that has a kickstand if and when needed.... But each use phone differently
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