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I decided to write this review to warn others from dealing with paypal, they have charged me before completing the registration process, and after charging me they have asked for me to fax them extra documents that I don't have, I told them that I don't have that documents, and I asked them to find an alternative way, they replied stupidly asking the same question, I called them and wasted my money on international calls, every one of their rude employees gave me different answers. at the end I asked them to close my account, they refused, they said that the cannot close the account neither they can activate it if I don't send them the faxed papers. Simply they are either stupid or they were stealing me. I still couldn’t get my money back, but I had to cancel my credit card because they had a continuous access on it, and that cost me allot also. There should be a law to watch such companies...
You watch your money, and don't trust those companies that call themselves as a company for your own security; it is a company that will have a full access to your credit card... I lost much with my registration trial with Paypal (www.paypal.com) be careful from this company.
Not my experience. I had to fax them papers on my credit card, if I remember correctly. But that wasn't a problem after that. I think it was a bank statement. I use PayPal almost every week to buy from eBay.
perhaps its because you live in what is considered quite a dodgy country by many others?
all ive had to do with paypal, and ive been using them for years, is enter my card and bank details online, they performed a chargeback on my account of $1 and i had to enter the reference that showed on my bank statement
Paypal has always worked very well for me. From what I remember, I gave them my bank account information and then they made three small deposits. To verify, I had to let them know the amounts of those three deposits. Now, 100's of transactions later, I am a veteran and still highly satisfied. Sorry you had an unfavorable experience.
Ok... Maybe you had some good experience there, but I advice you all to have a look on this site (www.nopaypal.com) and also you may search Google for other peoples reviews on this issue... in the site I gave here, you will find too many stories that are simillar to mine..
they also say that with paypal things goes fine until you face a small silly problem, then you start to suffer, one of them says, that he sold an item for a specific amount of money and after he recieved the payment to paypal they have limited his account and he cannot get him money from them until now !!
read and see how they deal with people,
if you think that they read those fax papers then you are mistaken, someone says that he faked the papers and faxed them and things went fine, where is the security in that? you can steal a card number and fake the fax paper, the more secure way was the $1.95 decuction and verifying it by the 4 pin number, I did that but they didn't satisfy with it, they are like machines, they Don't have minds to use and think, when I be honest with them and tell them that I don't have such a paper, they reply saying: "we are still waiting for the fax" like robots....
the main problem there is that they are not trained to handle problems, when you have a problem then you are stuck there....
one more important issue that i have mentioned: how come they have charged me before verifying my card, they claim that they limited my account because they cannot verify my account, then what if I stole that card, why did they charge the real owner then? they should have asked for all of the papers they needed then they could start charging, that is really silly, common people search google and have a look on www.nopaypal.com, there are books talking about paypal's cheating, you can read everyday a new story there... if you had a good experience with them then this is not meaning that they are good, it is just you are lucky that you didn't face any problem yet!
Okay, let's get real here.
What documents would they ask for that a card owner wouldn't have? Why don't you have the documents?
The domain name, NoPaypal.com, was registered back in 2001 in order to drum up support for a class action lawsuit. Yep, that person had a bad experience when Paypal was new. The "Bash Paypal Bandwagon" was in full force several years ago. You are a little late.
If I stopped using every service/vendor that someone had a bad experience with, I'd have to stop using everything.
If I go to a restaurant that sucks, I don't go back. Don't run around like chicken little yelling "the sky is falling".
they wanted either a water bill or electricity bill in my name, well my card is not issued from the same country that I am currently living in, I was living there once, but even at that time I was renting a home so the bills were not in my name, and I have no other document to send them in my name, so this is realistic, if you don't like to believe that they are theievs then you are free, keep dealing with them , everyone is free in this life, I just liked to warn the other people and give an advice, so take my advice or leave it, but don't regret later!!
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they wanted either a water bill or electricity bill in my name, well my card is not issued from the same country that I am currently living in, I was living there once, but even at that time I was renting a home so the bills were not in my name, and I have no other document to send them in my name
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so you have a bank in a country were you dont live, no way you can confirm your current and previous addresses and you are complaining that paypal wont deal with you!!!!!
good! im glad paypal wont deal with you, if you were to rip me off, what could i do about it? i couldnt find out where you live or where you bank.
wake up, smell the coffee, get yourself a bank and a real address that you own and pay your way in, then maybe, just maybe youll have some financial credibility
jeesh!
dont tell me... you are nigerian and you have $1 200 419 that you need to invest, but your governmnt charges too much tax.........................
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you people thing yourself something?? huh..
work your mind a little bit, I dont have to give you all the details, dump yourself and deal whoever you like to, I just wrote my experience, and as I said before you are free to get the advice or leave it,
are you working for paypal guys? you appear to be from UK? by the way I am not nigerean and I do not care about you or the companies in your country, if you want to realy talk about ropping people, then read carefully my story and see how paypal took the money before even getting the fax, then what if really I was ropping someone's card? why did they charge him before getting sure? I was ropped by paypal and didn't get my money back yet.... maybe you cannot think wide.. it is your problem, that is why in your country we always hear such stories, but thanks God we don't have much like those stories from local companies, you even didn't use your mind to look at the flag near my name and your wide imagination lead you to nigeria, cool
for your information, my bank is now handling the case with this stupid paypal company, I respect my bank and I am very happy of their fast reaction against what paypal did, I wont be posting any further details about this topic in this forum cuz it looks like the people here are to fight not to get advices and advice others, you could have read it and either propose me a solution for my problem like someone who did in other forum, or you could just close that page, but you prefer to defend paypal, they probably from your way of defending, you are one of them !
Good luck for the good people..
the reference to nigeria was a joke, the clue was in the monetary amount, for someone so concerned about scams, im surprised youve never heard of the "nigerian 419" scam
google it
btw, i know what country your flag is from, i said as much in my first reply when i politely commented on the fact that many businesses in the world may not trust doing business with people from that country, hence the requests for additional verification of who you are.
the fact that you bank in another country and have no id relating to where you live really makes it of no surprise that they dont want to deal with you.
they charged US$1.95....... not exactly fraud of the century is it?
after sending one item paypal says..international shipment
We are sorry for the delay in transferring the money that was paid by Katrina Baral into your PayPal account. We hereby inform you that the money that we are ordered to transfer into your PayPal account (€180.00 EUR) is too Small for us to transfer into your PayPal account due to International Transfer Limit from our PayPal Transfer Department Unit and the new Policy of our PayPal. So the real amount that can reach your account from our PayPal Transfer Desk start from €400.00 EUR upward. we contacted Katrina Baral about this situation to make an additional payment of €220.00 EUR into your PayPal account.
We are happy to tell you that Katrina Baral have made an additional payment of €220.00 EUR into your PayPal account which is already deducted from the buyer account. It's already confirmed and approved by us which means the total amount of €400.00 EUR is approved and it is ready to be credited into your PayPal account TODAY. So we think we can sort the problem out by you sending the Excess Fund. Katrina Baral ask us to tell you to help him send the excess fund of €200.00 EUR to his daughter and use the extra €20.00 EUR for the western union charges and for your transportation.
You are advised now to go to any western union Outlet/Office and send the excess fund of €200.00 EUR to his daughter and get back to us with the western union details so we can verify and get your account credited without any further delay.
i know i could call Verizon but i hate using my phone to talk to someone, so....
The deposit you pay when you first sign up, do you get that back after the 1st year is up or the 2nd?...
and do they just give you the money back or applying "credit" to your account?... that and can you just use it towards another phone?
Did you have to pay a deposit to open a line or are you talking about something else?
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Did you have to pay a deposit to open a line or are you talking about something else?
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They made me pay a $400 deposit due to my horrible horrible bad credit thanks to shady activity in my past...........
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I believe you are looking at about a 6-8 month turnaround. They review your account after so much time and if its in good standing, you get it back.
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I believe you are looking at about a 6-8 month turnaround. They review your account after so much time and if its in good standing, you get it back.
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cool. it's been 5 months so far. wonder if i should put it to a new phone or stick with this thing a tad longer. granted, this is the only "current" phone that i like.
I'd wait. Big things on the horizon.
FYI, a quick story....
When I signed up with Verizon in 2006 (freshly 18, and had zero credit) i was required to place a $100 deposit which I would recieve back after a year of good payments. After about 18 months, i realized that i never got my deposit back. It took a few phone calls, to both Verizon and my Bank for them to give my $100 back.... so while they did give me the money back.... my advice would be to hold onto that receipt!!!
deposits are held for one year.
After a year, they will review for things like bounced checks and such. As long as you have clean payment history, they apply the deposit to the account, then mail a check for any remain credit balance.
If you don't pass the review, they hold it for a few more months and review again. They'll continue to hold until you have something like 3 months of clean payments.
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cool. it's been 5 months so far. wonder if i should put it to a new phone or stick with this thing a tad longer. granted, this is the only "current" phone that i like.
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Kudos to you for staying in good standing.
I love people with such bad credit that can't pay their bills, yet they can afford a smartphone with a data plan. Oops, did I just say that?
I got mine about a year after. But i called them on the dot LOL . 2 weeks later got my Mula.
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I love people with such bad credit that can't pay their bills, yet they can afford a smartphone with a data plan. Oops, did I just say that?
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Hey some people have awesome priorities! But also keep in mind that sometimes "bad" credit isnt their doing or happened because of circumsatances beyond their control. Divorces, theft identity,things like that. Did you know that credit reporting companies in themselves arent the most honest people to deal with (unless you are an A+ list celeb)
The area I personally start having problems is, seeing as how I believe everyone should have a second chance, as long as they learn from their mistakes (as I had to), and do not repeat them.Or the ones that constantly feed off the "government trough" but thats another story.
Im glad you are improving things ..Stick with it. There is a light at the end of the tunnel
When i went back to Verizon after being away for several years... They wanted a $400... I waited three months and tried again got in with no deposit... And no change in credit score according to the service I was using at the time... Go figure...
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When I first signed up for Verizon I was about 20 tears old and had 0 credit. I signed up online and didn't have to out a deposit down.
Odd how that happens.
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I had a deposit and after 12 months of not being shut off, they credited my bill for the deposit. Used it to get my Tbolt.
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that's not bad, had to pay 250 per line on sprint years ago. The weird thing is, about every six months, they would credit it back, even though it had already been credited. Happened 4-5 times over the years.
UPDATE: haven't heard anything from cyanogen or other devs. if you are able to make contact and get a confirmation either way from any of the devs, please let me know (email / pm / in this thread), and we can move forward. until then, hold off on the donations.
so it looks like no progress is going to be made on this phone unless we send the cm devs a phone. even then, there's no guarantee that they'll work on porting cm to it, but i think it's worth a shot.
there's an sk4g on ebay, buy it now, for $160, couple days left. seller has a 100% rating. http://goo.gl/rsStz i'll buy the phone and send it to cm, assuming we raise the funds in time. we'll look for a phone when we get confirmation. at a minimum, the phone has to be in working condition.
i've never done something like this, and this whole thing might be against xda rules or something, but here's how i'm guessing it should work:
1. raise funds via paypal using my email address "spamziq" at gmail dot com. note that there's a way to do this without incurring fees: http://www.insulators.info/general/paypal.htm
2. buy phone
3. get phone, send to steve kondik (or another appropriate dev); would obviously need an address
4. post confirmation here
5. wait
if not enough funds are raised before the auction is over, or some other snafu occurs, each contributor is refunded his money.
if cm devs return it, i sell it and dispense the money to contributors according to their original percentage of contribution?
what do y'all think?
I'm not sure it would help. Steve has been hired by Samsung (http://www.theverge.com/2011/08/15/samsung-hires-cyanogenmod-founder-steve-kondik/ ) so I'm guessing that he can easily have access to the device if he wants to work on it; you may want to check with him before organizing that.
Find a dev and confirm that they will work on it given a phone before starting anything. Don't raise the money to find that noone will work on it.
I should have some money in less than 1.5 months, and I can help donate. It looks like you can get one on eBay for about $150 USD for Buy It Now. I will be willing to donate $75 to the cause, but how do we know if the person on the receiving end of the cash-flow for this is trustworthy?
(Should we start a thread for donations that are verified, or what?)
We can also use Chase's Person-to-Person Quickpay... if two or more people have a Chase account, of course.
There is a thread. On this forum for a bounty btw there is cm beta out on some thread on xda
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A xda search for "cyanogen sidekick" (no quotes) returns many threads.
Care to link it?
Yeah lemme get my computer. Its some beta for froyo http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1265765 just need some reverse enginerring i guess
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I donated a few bucks from my PayPal account. Hope it helps!! (If not, please send it back!)
(It was "Buy me Coffee" money sent to me from another site, so nothing personal lost on my end, if Wu turns out to be unreliable)
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Find a dev and confirm that they will work on it given a phone before starting anything. Don't raise the money to find that noone will work on it.
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This. Please do this.
^Yes best idea ever!^
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I donated a few bucks from my PayPal account. Hope it helps!! (If not, please send it back!)
(It was "Buy me Coffee" money sent to me from another site, so nothing personal lost on my end, if Wu turns out to be unreliable)
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hey all, i haven't been able to get any confirmation from steve about whether he'd work on this, so chill for a bit. i'm hoping others can get a yes/no from either him or other devs (i don't know of the others) before this goes forward. so far ncmacasl has donated a few bucks, which is pretty cool, but i'm refunding it. gonna update the OP.
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I'm not sure it would help. Steve has been hired by Samsung (http://www.theverge.com/2011/08/15/samsung-hires-cyanogenmod-founder-steve-kondik/ ) so I'm guessing that he can easily have access to the device if he wants to work on it; you may want to check with him before organizing that.
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Could this also mean that because he is working with/for Samsung, that he may have had to sign a non-disclosure agreement, and cannot participate in anything "Samsung related" outside of his normal "Samsung Duties"?
I have pondered on this...
Also, I keep seeing fully functional devices (cosmetic issues only, like scratches to the cover) all for 149-150 via Buy It Now. These would save the "investors" in the device $10 amongst them. Just saying.
Would this work, providing that the funds are not collected ahead of time:
I buy a SK4g, and when I get half my money back (from your donations), I will send it to them?
Does that sound good, as my lady and I both have the same phone?
Does the device have to be flawless to send to them, or just in working condition (cosmetic issues OK)?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Sid...0784571883?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2a1799a5eb THIS just has a bit of nail polish smeared on it and is guaranteed functional...
Edit: Oh, and I have a Friend who's daughter could also benefit from the more Open Android cook..
Yes, I got the refund. thanks Kevin (yes the guy is trustworthy!)
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UPDATE: haven't heard anything from cyanogen or other devs. if you are able to make contact and get a confirmation either way from any of the devs, please let me know (email / pm / in this thread), and we can move forward. until then, hold off on the donations.
so it looks like no progress is going to be made on this phone unless we send the cm devs a phone. even then, there's no guarantee that they'll work on porting cm to it, but i think it's worth a shot.
there's an sk4g on ebay, buy it now, for $160, couple days left. seller has a 100% rating. http://goo.gl/rsStz i'll buy the phone and send it to cm, assuming we raise the funds in time. we'll look for a phone when we get confirmation. at a minimum, the phone has to be in working condition.
i've never done something like this, and this whole thing might be against xda rules or something, but here's how i'm guessing it should work:
1. raise funds via paypal using my email address "spamziq" at gmail dot com. note that there's a way to do this without incurring fees: http://www.insulators.info/general/paypal.htm
2. buy phone
3. get phone, send to steve kondik (or another appropriate dev); would obviously need an address
4. post confirmation here
5. wait
if not enough funds are raised before the auction is over, or some other snafu occurs, each contributor is refunded his money.
if cm devs return it, i sell it and dispense the money to contributors according to their original percentage of contribution?
what do y'all think?
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If you are sending e-mail and your e-mail addy contains "spam" then you are likely to get sent to a spam folder on the recipient's provider, or the e-mail is likely to get dropped all together. I know this because "spam" is in most of my e-mail addys too, even my main ones. (Even Chase had to change their filtering because of this stating that they couldn't send me e-mail, and I told them it is the only one I have, THEY need to fix their as it worked BEFORE their changes...)
Did you use the addy you listed to send them e-mail for info/communication?
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Did you use the addy you listed to send them e-mail for info/communication?
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i only contacted cyanogen by sending him a tweet @cyanogen. i'm not sure who the other devs are. that's why i'm hoping there are others here who might know who else to contact, and who can make the contact themselves. i think more inquiries is better, because not only could it help to ensure we get a response, but it'd also give a hint as to how much demand there is for the sk4g.
We need someone who specializes in kernels . If there was a kernel for gingerbread we would be alot closer to many goals.
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We need someone who specializes in kernels . If there was a kernel for gingerbread we would be alot closer to many goals.
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There is one. The Galaxy S 4G has the EXACT same processor as the SK, and was recently upgraded to Gingerbread. So a kernel is available. The problem, according to Sduvick, is that the drivers are coded differently, namely the display. We could base a GB rom on the GS4G's code, but it would essentially take a complete ground-up rewrite of drivers.
Is it just the display driver? Wouldnt we need drivers to have cm7 on this phone?
There were a couple of others, for one the camera. You'd need to PM sduvick and ask him. He's the only one to date that I know of who has even attempted to compile the code from the SGS4G.
I should have some extra money soon...
Has anyone made contact with Cyanogen Devs to query them on if this would be worked on if one of these was sent to them?
Hi All
I've got a quite ridiculous situation here from Google Play Support Team.
I reset my Lenovo A1 and found that I'm not able to update Soundhound which I bought at a discount price (0.1USD) from US store, instead I was asked to purchase it again, and when I clicked the purchase button, it fails.
I sent an email to the support team to resolve the issue and got an reply that they would issue me a refund 0.1 USD, and if I want to buy the app again, I need to pay the current price instead of 0.1 USD.
Before I got back to them, I got another email said I requested an refund and granted, I'm quite p*** off by the email, so I reply the email and said it's not an acceptable solution.
Now 2 days passed, and I still not receive any response from Google, just like the whole support team ran and hide.
I'm just wondering that where can I complaint against the Google Play Support Team?
Thank you in advance.
Regards
You live in?
Maybe you can try a independent consumer association?
Or wait a few days, some transactions take some time.
You got served buddy. Take it or leave it.
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You live in?
Maybe you can try a independent consumer association?
Or wait a few days, some transactions take some time.
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The issue is 3 USD is a small amount in any country
Really annoying.
Your f*ck**. Just by it again, or find another way...
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Dont say 'thanks', just press the button
Call Google toll free, I'm sure they can forward you to the people incharge
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get what y64 *ay f6r. wasted t6 04ch t50e a3ready get 6ver 5t
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I can't find a number on the google page.
Of course you didn't. That's the idea.
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get what y64 *ay f6r. wasted t6 04ch t50e a3ready get 6ver 5t
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Please post in understandable English from now on. Thank you.
it seems they have the we call you system going on. i found this page on the google play support page.
http://support.google.com/googleplay/bin/request.py?hl=en&policy=apps&contact_type=contact_policy
fill it out and they call you back. in theory...
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droople said:
Hi All
I've got a quite ridiculous situation here from Google Play Support Team.
I reset my Lenovo A1 and found that I'm not able to update Soundhound which I bought at a discount price (0.1USD) from US store, instead I was asked to purchase it again, and when I clicked the purchase button, it fails.
I sent an email to the support team to resolve the issue and got an reply that they would issue me a refund 0.1 USD, and if I want to buy the app again, I need to pay the current price instead of 0.1 USD.
Before I got back to them, I got another email said I requested an refund and granted, I'm quite p*** off by the email, so I reply the email and said it's not an acceptable solution.
Now 2 days passed, and I still not receive any response from Google, just like the whole support team ran and hide.
I'm just wondering that where can I complaint against the Google Play Support Team?
Thank you in advance.
Regards
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Don't feel bad the Google Play Store is a fooking joke. Of course the Nexus 4 launch was the worse but somewhat excusable. No one expected the flurry of buyers that phone created. Then came the release of the Nexus 4 Wireless charger. I ordered a wireless charger on March 13th. Today is April 7th. After 4-5 emails from me asking about tracking and just why they haven't sent me a wireless charger yet. Their responses and lack of information is ludicrous. I finally told them yesterday to just give my money back, release the payment and put it back onto my credit card. I was then informed that it would take 15 days for me to get a refund. I could understand that if I was sending something back. But I never received anything in the first place. Why can't they just put the money back on my card. I'm so god damn frustrated at Google Play support. Oh well I just thought I would throw in my experience with those bastards since there is no where else to complain. I wanted some sort of supervisor or something to contact me. Yet they can't even do that. JOKE
It doesn't matter if it is .5 cents or 5.000...
People should be honest, and deliver what they promise, the way they promisse it.
This is how I think.
Next time buy something of 3k from them, and do a chargeback once you get it
No, don't do it...
Hey,
I have a pre-order on this phone but I do not know whether or not to trust this company and buy this sweet little phone. By the end of tomorrow I'll make my decission but I was rather curious if anyone here is going for it ?
Their website does not show any specifications anymore like it used to and paying by cc and giving a company like this my cc information is kind of risky. Qualcomm 600 + 2GB ram for only 199$ too good to be true?
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Hey,
I have a pre-order on this phone but I do not know whether or not to trust this company and buy this sweet little phone. By the end of tomorrow I'll make my decission but I was rather curious if anyone here is going for it ?
Their website does not show any specifications anymore like it used to and paying by cc and giving a company like this my cc information is kind of risky. Qualcomm 600 + 2GB ram for only 199$ too good to be true?
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Yeah I ordered back in June/July too and just got the request for payment too. I'm hesitant to pay too especially given their site has no new info and their Facebook is very much outdated.
The fact the email says its automated too makes me sceptical.
I emailed them asking for more info but heard nothing.
Same here. Pre-ordered back when it first came out. Don't think I'd be paying now.
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Same here. Pre-ordered back when it first came out. Don't think I'd be paying now.
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Yes, better safe then sorry. Rational thinking points in the direction of a scam I guess.
I have paid, and just receaved the payment info,
The status is On-hold, and i've ask for more info by email,
Will keep you updated, hope i didn't lose 270$...
Well I guess at least that is positive, they at least changed the status
Keep us updated !
Techdy Bear Pro Preorder
I sent mail to Techdy and Also ask some question in Bear Pro Add review but they didn't replied:crying:. I told that your website and Facebook page not updated a long time ago, why we provide you our credit card information can;t you give us Paypal Option so that it will be safe and secure rather than loosing $283 including shipping we are happy to pay 10-15$ PayPal charge at least our money will be safe. also i asked when u will revel the upcoming bear specification and handset picture but no answer, guys i think it's a totally scam. these Chinese can do any thing to get your money, their website Alibaba is worst scammed in money catching, same thing i suspicious in techdy, i also preorder the bear-pro but still i didn't paid, very much unsecured for money and credit card information leak. those who paid first confirm the handset in hand with all specification than after we can think about it. remember it's your hard earned money and nobody want to waste it on some noodled people.
waiting for mine
Tell
Tell us if u actually get it and if u do can u do like a small video review
Check out this site techdybear.com . Unlike techdy.com it is updated. It is surely made by the same people...
what happen?
did anyone recieve their Bear products? I think techdy is just trolling everyone. I have been waiting for a real review of this. I had originally pre-ordered the bear pro but unsure what has happened. well I hope to hear some good news from guys that have already paid. techdy doesn't use Facebook anymore, or at least their own page. abandoned ship I guess. who knows.....
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did anyone recieve their Bear products? I think techdy is just trolling everyone. I have been waiting for a real review of this. I had originally pre-ordered the bear pro but unsure what has happened. well I hope to hear some good news from guys that have already paid. techdy doesn't use Facebook anymore, or at least their own page. abandoned ship I guess. who knows.....
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Do not be naive
Stop waiting.
Greetings