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Android 2.2 Cloud to Device Messaging

Hi, i am no dev, sorry if this is the wrong section, but i realized that inside of Android 2.2 sdk or something there is the new C2DM Service. Even Google says that it could work very well for instant messages like this:
C2DM makes no guarantees about delivery or the order of messages. So, for example, while you might use this feature to tell an instant messaging application that the user has new messages, you probably would not use it to pass the actual messages.
http://code.google.com/intl/de-DE/android/c2dm/index.html
i searched for an app, which uses C2DM for instant messaging for serveral IM networks like icq, msn etc, but didnt found anything... all the messengers like ebuddy, meebo etc don't use this new push notification which should save a lot of battery, if the device gets pushed about new messages and only than the devices download the message from the server
what do you think about it?
PS: sorry for my crap english

Hopefully this new service will solve all the issues we have with the current crop of instant messengers and their frequent disconnection. This is one feature I miss from my old iPhone

i guess most developers of messaging apps are already working hard to incorporate c2dm into their clients. since froyo is still verry young and there is only one device yet that is officially running it, the use for this would have been verry smale yet. but im sure in a few weeks we will have lots of messaging apps using this feature.

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new Google Talk in FroYo already uses C2DM, other messengers are likely to follow in several months as more phones get FroYo

How is life going? Froyo is about 6 months old, 36 % running Froyo, and the only C2DM-using apps I know are Whatsapp, Jumpnote and Chrome To Phone. I know Google is holding several C2DM presentations.
I'm still missing a IM-app, soccer scores app and so on. Are there any developers working on this? Or is it hard to obtain acces for Google C2DM?

Triilian im and beejive im are using c2dm

hi to all,
when you want to use googles cloud to device messaging ,you must still connected wifi or wakes wifi up when you recieve an message like Googlemail or Trillian Messenger?
thx
p.s.:sry for my bad english
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"KIK" app

this app is pretty cool lets u chat with people that have blackberry iphone ipods or normally android Love it better than sms and pretty fast. check it out in the market now
kik me "Torvick1224"
http://www.kik.com/

I like this a lot too, I like how it shows if it's been read already or not too.
I just wish more people used it

Personally I prefer Whatsapp, 'cause it's more widely used, and havent had any problems with it yet. One time payment for iphone, and free trial period for android

darkwater13 said:
Personally I prefer Whatsapp, 'cause it's more widely used, and havent had any problems with it yet. One time payment for iphone, and free trial period for android
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yeah but member this 1 is FREE for every smartphone just need some good updates like add photos and post our own status and would be the shisnetss

does it do group chat?

no group chat

I used Whatsapp and personally like it better, but I like Kik's ability to tell you when it is sent\delivered\read while Whatsapp just tells you if its sent\delivered. I don't need group chat so that's a moot point for myself

PingChat has group chat, shows when send/read, can send pics, video, audio, contacts, maps. And it's free.

drauks said:
PingChat has group chat, shows when send/read, can send pics, video, audio, contacts, maps. And it's free.
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I'm currently using pingchat for these reasons. That and Kik was draining the battery on my Incredible :-/

Couple of gripes I have with KiK and had to get rid of it. From my limited use (2-3 days), I learned:
-you cannot log out of KiK.
-it automatically adds contacts without your approval and worse, it lets these contacts know you've signed on to KiK as well. I dont know about others but I dont necessarily want IM access to everyone in my contact list.
-it adds people that you dont even know (saw ppl on my list that I dont know) to your contact list.
-You can get random requests from ppl you dont know to add you just the same.
It seems like a very good beginning efforts but more control and privacy measures need to be put into before I'll try it again.
And, lastly, it was draining my battery ...
These are all from personal use and observation.

Interesting article. It lists upcoming features.
wwwdotbgrdotcom/2010/11/10/whats-kik-messenger-all-about/
Sorry. Can't post links yet.

Threads... why?

Ive seen MS chose to combine IM and SMS and to me this looks really messy.
First of all the integration of IM is quite nice but I wish it was kept seperate from SMS conversations since these are to the majority of people still different than IMs and used on different devices or apps. I dont want to continue a conversation automatically on a different app or something. This will be very annoying to the other user.
Certainly if somebody just left his/her pc on or IM on accidently....
They should have added facebook private messaging as well and IM/SMS seperated like it was and just added a chat pivot in the messaging hub.
to me an sms is still something every user has always with him her, like when u send somebody an address or something it should be on their phones and not deliverd trough IM and its annoying having to switch first.
Its kind of short sighted implementation, the idea is good but the reality will be very annoying the way it works now.
you will get a ton of sms like notifications for every IM which can be annoying since on a chat conversation people send much more messages per minute than trough sms. Having to toggle online offline all the time will be a pita
am i the only one who thinks this will be garbage? Instead they should have allowed third party apps like whatsapp to use this on user permission. I hope I can switch off the live messenger. Or just revert back to the original sms screen

I like the idea to have an overview of my messages regardlessly whether they come via SMS, Windows Live or Facebook. Although I agree that getting notifications for all those messages shown on the SMS tile would be kind of overwhelming. But I can imagine Microsoft changes the way the tile works. So it still shows the number of SMS, but in addition to that shows an icon or something when you recieve a chat message from Facebook or Windows Live.

In my opinion.. the best feauture ever, of every OS. Loved that!

I love it as well, and think its nice not to have to go to 4 different places for my facebook, text, wlm & (eventually skype).
While I hope they either have a toggle setting for separate 'rows', or add it soon after Mango for those who really don't like it, I honestly doubt they want to mess it up by having too many places for messages. It fits in pretty perfectly with their vision for the overall UI design imo.

For me,M$ thread is not a new idea,it just copying the messaging app in the HP webos...however HP webos messaging is better,they can download apps that support HP connect and integrate into the messaging app(so,this means they can have more than 1 im clients in 1 messaging app).
Feel so sorry to HP webos,always being copied by others,even the UI design of playbook has been copied

Marvin_S said:
First of all the integration of IM is quite nice but I wish it was kept seperate from SMS conversations since these are to the majority of people still different than IMs and used on different devices or apps. I dont want to continue a conversation automatically on a different app or something. This will be very annoying to the other user.
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Threading will be the beginning of the end for SMS IMNSHO. Most people still use SMS because it's what they know and are used to.
My wife is a great example, she keeps sending me SMSes while I'm out because that's what she's used to. Even though I've had email (and to some extent IM) on my phones since forever. With a "messaging hub" it takes all the guesswork out of the equation - she'll write the message as she normally does and the phone will decide whether it should deliver via FB, Messenger, Skype or SMS.
Now, if you don't want to continue the conversation if the user has moved to a different device you don't have to. The phone will tell you how the message was sent as well as what services the recipient is currently logged on to.
Marvin_S said:
to me an sms is still something every user has always with him her, like when u send somebody an address or something it should be on their phones and not deliverd trough IM and its annoying having to switch first.
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This just proves my point - you're used to SMS. And again, you can choose whether to send as SMS or IM.
Personally I find this feature great. Two things should be done to make it even better though;
1. Implement a industry-wide protocol so it doesn't matter if you're on a crackberry, iphone or windows phone. Sure, Skype and Messenger goes a long way towards achieving this but there are still people who use smaller IM services only.
2. Allow third-party apps to hook in to the messaging hub - there's a few apps out there today that are not chat apps as such but still implement messaging. Being able to receive (and reply to) these messages from the same place would be great. It would also make it easier for other IM services to integrate with the OS.
dkp1977 said:
Although I agree that getting notifications for all those messages shown on the SMS tile would be kind of overwhelming.
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But why? Are you less likely to want to read a message coming in thru Messenger than one delivered via SMS? I for one don't care how my messages are delivered, I just want to be notified. It's a bit like having three post boxes outside your house - one for deliveries by DHL only, another for Deutsche Post and a third for everyone else - i.e. pointless

I really like this new feature as well. I am confident that any replies you send to someone will use the same service they used to "text" you, unless you choose to change it. People on non-WP7 phones won't suddenly need to be jumping all over the place.
On the other hand, when other people send you messages from multiple sources (SMS, FB, WLM, etc), you will be able to get all of the messages in one convenient place. I like that.

[Q] Group SMS

So on my iphone I could have group conversations with 3 other people and it would all be in the same conversation window, I but now, on my one x, when I try this it just sends to everyone individually. It works on my friends droid because he has the verizon messaging app which isn't available to att users (I think)
anyways I was just wondering if there was a simple solution to this (I've tried two 3rd party messaging apps with no luck)

Yeah, you're not gonna be able to get that, AFAIK. The "WhatsApp Messenger" app does this, but that's not actual text messaging, it's an IM app that uses your contacts phone numbers to identify them, and can only message other WhatsApp users.
Just for my own curiosity, when you would do this with your iPhone, would all the other participants be iPhone users? Or would it be a mixed bag of BB/Android/WP7/iPhone?

You should check out the app 'GroupMe'.
Great app that can do either real texting or over the internet messages.
The catch is, you have to message a 'Group number' and GroupMe then forwards that message on to everyone else.
This enables you to add/remove people to a conversation.
You can make these numbers private or public
I'm pretty sure they support every os and you can also just use their website to send messages.
It's all free which is the best part.

This is one of my biggest gripes with Android ICS. My Galaxy Nexus wasn't able to do group SMS either and, coming from an iPhone where I had lots of groups, it's a pain in the ass.
Also, using 3rd party apps that require every other person you want to chat with to also have the app is not a real solution. GroupMe is even worse than the rest b/c if someone EVER had the app (and no longer does) it doesn't recognize that and just doesn't deliver the message at all.

NextNexus said:
This is one of my biggest gripes with Android ICS. My Galaxy Nexus wasn't able to do group SMS either and, coming from an iPhone where I had lots of groups, it's a pain in the ass.
Also, using 3rd party apps that require every other person you want to chat with to also have the app is not a real solution. GroupMe is even worse than the rest b/c if someone EVER had the app (and no longer does) it doesn't recognize that and just doesn't deliver the message at all.
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The awesome thing about GroupMe is you don't need the App at all. You can use their service purely through texting.

[email protected] said:
The awesome thing about GroupMe is you don't need the App at all. You can use their service purely through texting.
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You didn't read what I wrote. If someone EVER had the app and got rid of it then the app doesn't recognize that and simply doesn't deliver the message at all. This is even worse than simply not being able to message people who don't have the app b/c now the sender has no clue whether their messages were delivered to each recipient.

NextNexus said:
You didn't read what I wrote. If someone EVER had the app and got rid of it then the app doesn't recognize that and simply doesn't deliver the message at all. This is even worse than simply not being able to message people who don't have the app b/c now the sender has no clue whether their messages were delivered to each recipient.
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If I am not mistaken, If the user changed his settings through the web interface he could set it up to be texting only again.
I have never ran in to this issue personally. When I removed the App from my phone I would still get the messages, just not through texts until I switched the settings.
Sorry for not fully understanding the first time.

Facebook / Messages (SMS) (WP7.5 8107 Omnia W)

Hi all!
I just moved from Android (HD2 MIUI) to WP7.5 (Omnia W i8350 fw: 8107 locked) and I noticed a couple of things:
- SMS and Facebook chat are merged, without any timeline order. I'll try to explain (I'm Italian, I'm sorry if I'll spell anything wrong):
SMS sent from my gf at 11.00 AM, received at 11.00:03 AM on my device
Facebook Chat message sent from my girlfriend at 10.30 AM, wifi/data enabled on my device at 11.30 AM, Facebook Chat message received at 11.30 AM.
In my message hub the last interaction with my gf that I'll see will be her FB Chat Message (and my reply will pass through FB by default, instead of SMS).
Isn't that strange?
- There's, in the marketplace, an official FB App, that has at least half an hour delay between any notify and doesn't notify any private message to me.
Is the any alternative that could work better?
Trust me, moving from an HD2 that has been able to run WM6.5, WP7.5, Android easily to a locked WP7 device is quite confusing, but I'll try hard to make it work at his best.

DaemonMX said:
Hi all!
SMS sent from my gf at 11.00 AM, received at 11.00:03 AM on my device
Facebook Chat message sent from my girlfriend at 10.30 AM, wifi/data enabled on my device at 11.30 AM, Facebook Chat message received at 11.30 AM.
In my message hub the last interaction with my gf that I'll see will be her FB Chat Message (and my reply will pass through FB by default, instead of SMS).
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Windows Phone will always use the message service that was last used. Since you only enabled data conenction at 11:30 am this was the last message your phone received and it assumes you want to use this protocol/service. You can manually change the protocol/service using the double arrow icon in the lower right.
EDIT: The built in facebook messenger works fine for me. There are only a few (5-10) seconds delay until I receive my facebook messages, no need for me to ever use the facebook app...

Localhorst86 said:
Windows Phone will always use the message service that was last used. Since you only enabled data conenction at 11:30 am this was the last message your phone received and it assumes you want to use this protocol/service. You can manually change the protocol/service using the double arrow icon in the lower right.
EDIT: The built in facebook messenger works fine for me. There are only a few (5-10) seconds delay until I receive my facebook messages, no need for me to ever use the facebook app...
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Yup, I could understand "why" the system uses the last service used as long as I'm or I'm not using data/wifi, but it's chronologically wrong.
I'm expecting to see the FB message before the last SMS, just because it has been sent before by the other user. (It's just a matter of timeline) If WP7 is able to merge every conversation between sms/facebook it would be fine to get each message in the right time order, isn't it? What if I don't turn on data/wifi for a week, I'd get FB messages one week old as "last" interaction with the other person, even if I wrote him/her by SMS just a minute before?
Of course I'm not expandind the issue to the fact that I've already read on FB that message, and it could be in any way notified as "already seen" on my phone. Leaving SMS / Facebook services in different apps, just like Whatsapp, Hotmail, Gmail, etc. is certainly less "integrated, nice, next gen, artistic, or what else", but more efficient in their real use: to comunicate.
P.S. The delay is really lower on the built in messenger, the app seems to have some different default settings.

DaemonMX said:
I'm expecting to see the FB message before the last SMS, just because it has been sent before by the other user.
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WP7 doesn't know when it was sent, though. It only knows when it was delivered to the phone.
DaemonMX said:
Leaving SMS / Facebook services in different apps, just like Whatsapp, Hotmail, Gmail, etc. is certainly less "integrated, nice, next gen, artistic, or what else", but more efficient in their real use: to comunicate.
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I disagree with that, the unified messaging hub is great because I can instantly see all communication with that user independant from the service used. If you still prefer to have non unified messages, you can do that. To quote the famous apple qoute: "there's an app for that!".
Apps like IM+ (search for "implus" on the market), Nimbuzz allow you to connect to Facebook and Windows Live Messenger (among others).
Miyowa allows you to connect to Windos Live Messenger and for Facebook only I found an app called "Fim Chat"
Knock yourself out
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DaemonMX said:
Of course I'm not expandind the issue to the fact that I've already read on FB that message, and it could be in any way notified as "already seen" on my phone.
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This would not be feasible or practical in my oppinion. For one, this would require Facebook to somehow notify the client (phone) that a message has been read and to force the client to delete it. This is not how IM clients work. I think it would be a bad move if a service could "recall" or "delete" already delivered messages. If you're going to read your FB messages using a different client anyways, why stay signed in using the built in client?