Because i cannot find a clear answer on my mindbreaker i do open this thread. Can someone please inform me about the characteristics of an install on internal storage (i recon flashmemory) and on an install on the SDcard?
What's to prefer? I would think its mostly a speedissue (in advantage of the SD), but maybe there are other circumstances to deal with in this issue (besides the physical storageamount of course)?
i have had a lot of problems with the sd-card. everytime I remove the card I loose some programs, programs seem to take up more space when installed on external memory, but I have not seen a speed difference. I have got one question to add to this. whats the read/write limit on the internal memory?
Sometimes people are loosing files on SD card or the card is not readable anymore. It never happened to me, but there's a thread about this topic somewhere here. And of course you should never remove the card while the device is turned on. This can cause the loss of data, maybe thats the reason why dysolve was loosing some programs?
But the most important thing is:
NEVER install a program on card which is running after a reset or after waking up the device. Windows needs some time to find and initialize the card, if a program is autostarted and the card is not ready Windows may freeze. The same is for ringtones. If the device is in sleep mode and a call comes in and the ringtone is on card then Windows will not find the ringtone that fast. In this case it will not freeze but its possible that its not ringing.
I installed a lot of applications (i.e. Mobipocket, all ebooks and so on) on card, but all autostarted apps I installed on internal memory. The same is for the alarm clock, its running while the device is in sleep mode. If the alarm clock program would be on card the device would either crash or the alarm would not go off. Both would bring me in a bad situation because then I would come to late to work and the boss is not allowed to come late
Hello everyone,
i own a Raphael since January and in this time it allready killed 2 SD-Cards.
The first one about 4 months ago.
Suddenly in the middle of usage the Raphael froze and i could not get it started again. even after a hardreset it was stuck in the bootscreen.
after a lot of trying and finally removing the sd card it bootet again without a problem.
the card was not readable anymore in any of my devices or windows boxes.
i thougth myself. well can happen even when a card is only half a year old got a new 8GB card and forgot about the incident.
yesterday while listening to some podcast suddenly the sound died. taking out the phone i found out it did not reacted to any power button presses or anything the screen stayed black.
after a softreset the phone worked again but took about 5 minutes to get in a usable state and the programms installed on the sd card where not aviable anymore.
taking a closer look i found that the card was not displayed in file explorer anymore.
gave it a try with my mp3 player. same result no card was found.
today in the morning i gave it a try on the pc with an sd-adabter. but also no result, wondows does not even recocnizes any device being plugged in. tryed a few data recover tools but non of them found the card.
someone has similiar experiances or any tips how i could get my data back from the card?
i guess the phone has to be send back for maintainance, but i doubt that they will find anything, if they accept it at all.
I have changed 4 sd cards because of similar problems. But the problem is most likely because of the fragility of high capacity microSDs, I wouldn't blame Raphael. Try other manufacturers (and try to find the ones that are not just rebranded)
I've had many issues with sd card corruption, but have solved some of the issues. Here's my advice (fwiw):
1. Get a card scanner, and regularly scan your catd. I do it everyday (takes 5 min). I use Wizcode Scandisk. It fixes errors and dumps out files that can be opened in notepad. It's worth looking at them, as it helped me find the multiple sources of corruption that I had.
2. Don't put your PIE cache on the card.
3. Change all 'save' paths (esp. the camera) to main memory.
4. Store any programs you use a lot on main memory.
5. Do NOT have any programs that run constantly on the sd card.
6. Do NOT put Fingerkeyboard on the sd card (major problem for me).
Basically, my advice is to use sd cards for storage. The Raphael has a lot of memory-use it for programs. I haven't had to format my card in about 4 months. I was doing it every couple of weeks for a while.
well basically i was using my sd card as a storage place for movies and podcast + podcastplayer prog.
and was using the player more or less the whole day.
i used the same card (and the other one before) also in my mp3 player when the raphael or the bt headset run out of power and there is no power outlet aviable to recharge. and twice the card failed in the rapahel.
when i got a new card, i also found that the card is working 100% on pc and mp3 player, but the raphael still can not see any sd card.
i really blame the phone and also assume that it now has a defective reader.
have to give it back to repairs as soon i have flashed the original firmware and make my way back to the store
You should scan the disk to find out the error sources. It may be something simple that causing them. Also, if your phone freezes when listening to music, you may want to either wait it out, or remove the card before soft resetting. You should do some searches on card corruption. There are lots of threads here that can be helpful.
many Sdcard and usbStick manufacturers got lowlevel format tools you can download and get cards not otherwise working in cardreaders on pc back to life
would love to get those cards working again. but i also would love to get the data back that was on them.
but the problem is the cards do not even appear on the pc, or any other device i have that can read/write them (usb card reader, digi cam, mp3 player)
its just as if nothing is ever inserted in the reader.
the low level format tools don't rely on windows driver model to detect cards
Flash Format (cnetx) has always been able to re-format my card, even when my pc couldn't recognize it and neither could my fuze. It has a free trial that works fine.
I haven't experienced any of these issues myself. But I'm sure I will now that I said that....
i gave that flash format a try, but it even failed to install. was one of those weird .exe installers. on the pc side it told me install was sucessfull, but on the ppc side was just a promt "installation failed".
a cab install would be nice, but without a working cardreader in the phone i guess would also not be of much help. i guess cuz of that that prog will not help me much. the reader in the phone is broken. cant read any cards, even brand new unused ones that are fine everywhere else just dont show up on the phone.
as for other "low level format tools" my search was quite unsecessful. i was looking at the sandisk and the transcend page (the suppliers of my 3 cards) but could not find anything.
google just found more request for this kind of program but not really somewhere where i could get it.
patlabor said:
i gave that flash format a try, but it even failed to install. was one of those weird .exe installers. on the pc side it told me install was sucessfull, but on the ppc side was just a promt "installation failed".
a cab install would be nice, but without a working cardreader in the phone i guess would also not be of much help. i guess cuz of that that prog will not help me much. the reader in the phone is broken. cant read any cards, even brand new unused ones that are fine everywhere else just dont show up on the phone.
as for other "low level format tools" my search was quite unsecessful. i was looking at the sandisk and the transcend page (the suppliers of my 3 cards) but could not find anything.
google just found more request for this kind of program but not really somewhere where i could get it.
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Check C:\Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync\CNETX-you'll find the cab in there. There will be several-you want the PPC-Arm one. It should install fine.
Card Freeze
Yeah I had the same thing happen. Raphael would not boot unless I removed the card and as soon as I placed the card back into the sd slot it would lock up. Unlike you I was able to get on of my PCs (either the XP Pro or the Vista Pro) to recognize it but all I could do was format it.
OK I like the idea of moving all the data to the main however I'm an old Windows CE guy (yeah I had a Jornado) and the memory used to be shared between program and storage. The device would allocate from the other when more was needed. If I place all the stuff I want into the Raphael main memory won't that lower the amount of RAM I have for running programs or vice versa? I really don't know if the memory is fluid since all I get when I look into the memory is one listing total storage and one total program, there is no slider bar like there used to be in windows ce.
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Yeah I had the same thing happen. Raphael would not boot unless I removed the card and as soon as I placed the card back into the sd slot it would lock up. Unlike you I was able to get on of my PCs (either the XP Pro or the Vista Pro) to recognize it but all I could do was format it.
OK I like the idea of moving all the data to the main however I'm an old Windows CE guy (yeah I had a Jornado) and the memory used to be shared between program and storage. The device would allocate from the other when more was needed. If I place all the stuff I want into the Raphael main memory won't that lower the amount of RAM I have for running programs or vice versa? I really don't know if the memory is fluid since all I get when I look into the memory is one listing total storage and one total program, there is no slider bar like there used to be in windows ce.
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The storage memory on the device is flash, not ram, so you don't lose program memory changing the save paths to main memory (if that's what you meant by moving data to main memory).
I never had any issues with my storage cards (sd and cf) on my 2003 device. I don't think it was the device, but rather the cards. The big, 16 gb cards just seem to be less hardy than a 1-2 gb card. I had all my apps on the storage card (including stuff like magic button), and never had a problem. But, jeez, the 16 g microsd is sensitive as hell. It gets minor bits of corruption at least once a week. I scan it everyday to avoid it crashing, which has helped, because I've gone 4 months without formatting it. One thing that I've found screws it up royally is doing a lot of file/directory operations over active sync on a pc. I don't know why, but cutting and pasting files from one folder to another in the sd card frequently results in lost clusters. Renaming folders is also a bad idea.
OK Flash
Well I guess I didn't explain it correctly. According to HTC the RAM is 288MB with a ROM of 512MB. So I'm really confused since according to the start>settings>system>memory the total for my storage and my program = 549MB which is of course more than 288 and 512. So when I load applications into my device and get a choice of main or storage card when it was a large file (some apps I use were 14 megs or more) I would choose the storage card.
My old experience with Windows CE was whatever memory was on the device was shared with both the program and storage, so I would put as much as possible on my storage card. However in windows 6.1 or higher it lists two separate columns for Program and Storage with: Total, In Use, and Free. So when I install apps I presumed they went into the storage area. Am I mistaken? I figured Program on the device meant how much is currently in use. Kinda like opening multiple windows on a PC. I notice it's low when at once I have 4 applications open on my windows mobile device so that's what I thought Program memory was.
Therefore does installing to the Main, when given a choice during program installation. where does it get installed ROM, RAM? Why is my total memory higher than RAM or the ROM
Any insight would help me decide the best location for my program installation to not corrupt the data, or have the flash card screw me up either.
288 MB is the total amount of system ram. A large amount is not user-accessible, it's used by the kernel/OS/Page-pool, so you don't see it reported. It's still there, though. The rom memory is 512 MB, but the actual memory in rom is subtracted by the storage memory so you see the amount of user-available memory. With 2003 devices, if the battery ran down, you lost all of your data, because the storage memory was in RAM (except perhaps for a little flash disk space). But with a fuze, you can pull the battery out, and not lose your data.
Totally confused
OK your right about the 2003 devices which is why I placed most of my stuff on a storage card. However why is my total reported memory 549MB more than the 512 ROM? Also when I install stuff to the device where does it get stored, the 512 ROM? Are you saying that the 200mb of Program being shown is 288 RAM minus the 88 being used to run the OS?
So are you saying its safe to install all my apps onto the device and I won't lose anything if the battery runs out?
Yeah, I've been saying that for about 3 weeks, lol! They got rid of the volatile storage memory with winmo 5; we're onto 6.5 now, and it's a thing of the distant past. I you don't believe me, pull out your battery (there's no backup battery on the device) and see if it causes a hard reset.
This is not an uncommon problem with digital cameras, as well. It's complicated, but the bottom line is this: whenever you buy an SD/micro SDHC/etc. card, you should do a full format of it on your COMPUTER, then put it in your device.
Hi,
I use Windows Mobile phones for many years. Most time a HTC Wizard, but some other devices as well. Recently I got a new Eten M800 and came across a very bothersome problem that I cannot solve and that did not occur with any other of my older devices.
Each program I install on the memory card will quit itself if I put my phone in power safe mode. Don't know how that mode is called correctly. If I push the on-button shortly or leave it to rest for a short while. If I turn the phone on again the program has been quit. This is very uncomfortable and hasn't occurred on any other WM phone I used. It even occurs with different ROMs installed on it. I already tried toggling the power management options found in the tool AdvancedConfig but that didn't help as well. I thought it might be some problem where it will lose the handles to opened files if the card is put to power management mode. I have no idea what else to try but would be very thankful for any ideas or help. Programs I've tried and this occurs with: Cachemate, Opera Mini for WM, Tomeraider. Probably this happens with every program installed on the memory card. If I install the same program to the device's internal memory the programs do not quit!
Help appreciated
Tim
Edit: One last thing that might be worth mentioning: This is the first time I use a SDHC card. I didn't try yet if that would happen with a (smaller) normal micro SD card.
thats always been the case for the htc phones I had
sd interface is disabled to save power when suspented
resulting in apps being terminated
same reason why people don't put today screen programs and stuff on sdcards
I have HTC HD7
It was full updated to all update from microsoft and htc
Past Events:
I got some hang in using device at running apps or using wifi.
There was problem on marketplace and HTC HUB was not updated ...
After many hard restarting device (open the cover and eject the battery)
And after many restarting,
- the device couldnt run any application
- the call logs, dosent saved
- the message, dosent saved
- ...
I decide to restore the phone to the older version by zune
On 99% zune got error with code: 800700AA, (i try this step 5 times)
I search the xda, microsoft any other websites, but i couldnot found any description
then
I think so, its great time to rest factory and replace sd card!
I bought Transcend 32Gb (compatible) and replace the sd card
But the error on restoring backup changed to 80180090
I decide to downgrade the SPL to install the original rom
Download the ansar rom
"RUU_Schubert_HTC_Europe_1.54.401.01_Radio_5.51.09.29_22.32.50.10U_by_ansar"
Run the ROMUpdateUtility and after 1%, recive error "Flash Write Error"
Now: (Problems)
The phone dose not start. after turning on, its show the connect to pc screen
Device Info:
HTC HD7
SPL: 5.11.2250.0
Mid: PD29100
Os: Mango full update
Whats your opinion or any other advise for me, to correct the phone?
OK, first of all, you almost certainly had a hardware problem in the first place, where calls and messages weren't being saved. It could be due to any number of things, but one simple possibilitiy is that the SD card was bad. The usual solution it to warranty exchange teh phone, not replace the (officially not-user-servicable) SD card yourself, but whatever.
You can only restore a backup to the exact device it was made from. By changing the SD card you modified the device, and the backup is no longer compatible. Focus owners discovered this over a year ago. You might have been able to use another SD card of exactly the same size, but certainly not one with a different size.
I don't know about your problem with the radio update, though I can think of several things that it could have been. If you boot your phone into SPL mode now, can it still connect via USB? If so, you might just try flashing a stock ROM. If not, that image of ansar's was not compatible with your phone's current state and has damaged your bootloader, which typically requires at least a GoldCard to fix (I'm not an expert on custom ROMs, so at this point you'd just have to read about it on the Dev&Hacking forum).
Alternatively, if the phone is booting into the black&white update/restore screen, there are two things you could try. The first is to just pull the battery, leave it out for a while, and then see if the phone boots up normally when you put it back in. For some reason, sometimes just power-cycling using the power button doesn't revert the phone to normal boot mode. The second is try putting the original (possibly faulty) SD card back into the phone, then boot it up connected to your PC with Zune running. This should automatically trigger Zune to restore the backup you have on your computer, which (due to the original hardware being restored), will hopefully work. After that, you can try messing with the new SD card again instead.
As a final note, unless the SD card specifically says "compatible with Windows Phone", do *not* assume it will work just because other people have bought the same brand of card and had it work. The performance spec that WP7 requires in its SD cards is *not* the same as the specs that commercially sold SD cards are tested to (random access vs. maximum throughput, if you're curious), and even two cards out of the same batch aren't guaranteed to have the same performance characteristics.
I was recently given a Htc mozart by a friend who had cracked the screen and bought a new phone, they said I could have it but would like their photos and vids off it so if I could back it up (easy as pie I thought!!!)
The phone charges and functions fine (I changed the digitzer) but when plugged into a pc it displays usb unrecognized error code 43 (malfunction?). I have tried multiple cables, laptops and even os (xp, 7 32bit/64bit and osx), I have searched the internet and have seen some suggestions on wiping the phone (but I don't want to do this until the data is backed up) also looked at reading the micro sd but found you can't by conventional methods.
I have also tried multiple apps - boxfiles, sendstuffnow,sharefile (they seem to allow one photo at a time but not videos), I also tried emailing them but again I can't email vids and the phone has over 500 pics! tried bluetooth and also yivosoft but it doesn't seem to be able to view the files (root access required??), tried a few other programs such as ftp and they just state the phone needs to be updated via zune (currently running 7.0.7004.0).
I was thinking of sticking another microsd card in and formatting it etc just to see if it is then recognised in windows and poss update the firmware then put the old micro sd back in? would this work or is the firmware stored on the micro sd card and also if not when I update would it then state the old micro sd needs formatting or something? If anyone has any suggestions on how I can get the pics and vids off it would be greatly appreciated! I am an android user and this is my first experience with a windows phone so if I am way off my apologies. Thanks again
For sure don't mess with the uSD cards. They're locked to the device (the "S" in SD stands for "Secure" and refers to a rarely-used ability to lock an SD card). Even if you managed to make the card usable again, the data on it would be gone. Also, yes, the OS is at least partially stored on the SD card, and your switch-update suggestion would not work.
WiFi sync would work, but if that's not already set up you'd need to connect the phone to Zune via the USB to set it up. There are some homebrew apps that would be able to lift the files easily enough, but unless you have something lile TouchXplorer or Advanced Explorer installed already, that's not an option (you need USB connection to install more homebrew).
Sorry, man. This is one of the reasons why I plug in my phone to my PC every day or two and sync it; the tiny amount of time it takes is worth the reassurance. I realize that doesn't help now, though...
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For sure don't mess with the uSD cards. They're locked to the device (the "S" in SD stands for "Secure" and refers to a rarely-used ability to lock an SD card). Even if you managed to make the card usable again, the data on it would be gone. Also, yes, the OS is at least partially stored on the SD card, and your switch-update suggestion would not work.
WiFi sync would work, but if that's not already set up you'd need to connect the phone to Zune via the USB to set it up. There are some homebrew apps that would be able to lift the files easily enough, but unless you have something lile TouchXplorer or Advanced Explorer installed already, that's not an option (you need USB connection to install more homebrew).
Sorry, man. This is one of the reasons why I plug in my phone to my PC every day or two and sync it; the tiny amount of time it takes is worth the reassurance. I realize that doesn't help now, though...
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Thanks for the reply, know what you mean I back up regular also but my friend didn't. I can't believe its so difficult to transfer the files without the usb connection :S also can't believe the updates are no ota :S was hoping there might be a method of unlocking the phone for homebrew like there was with the iphone at one stage. Ah well back to the drawing board unless someone can come up with any other ideas!