well not necessarily,
BUT
the phone has TWO modes of charging.
UBS and AC Charger.
USB recharges about 400-500mah
AC recharges about 900mah
This is flagged by a pin on the USB. BUT this is also flagged in the OS somewhere.
This is done in windows mobile via software hack so the OS thinks it's always on AC charger.
I'm just throwing this out there if someone can figure out what code is flagging the system to think this is UBS or AC connected.
i think the AC method just reduces the charging time, other than increases battery life. Right?
imleon said:
i think the AC method just reduces the charging time, other than increases battery life. Right?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yep. But I think that's what he's getting at. He wants it to charge just as fast while on usb. There's no way to increase battery life... other than buying a higher capacity battery.
jp2012 said:
There's no way to increase battery life... other than buying a higher capacity battery.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Or using Collins Battery Tweak. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791060
you can try that but no matter what yo u cant get anymore power out a USB. if a USB does 4-500 then even if it was hacked it would only output 4-500. If anything it might damage the phone.
Only real possibility I can think of usb charging any faster is if you made a double headed usb cord (for plugging into two usb ports) it won't hurt anything, matter of fact Arduino boards can be used like this as well as external cd/dvd drives without dedicated power, and even some low power routers (like my fon router)
At either rate, even if this were to work, you have to think about how the phone itself rates the incoming power. It may have nothing to do with the actual power charging mode coming into the phone (preferable for dual usb method), but if it has anything to do with just hardware, then it is most probably a no go because of the power balancing in the phone itself.
As far as the pin solution on usb, that may very well help out. I am sure it can range on the incoming power from the plug with that.
If you carefully open a usb charging cable and short the green and white wires on the pc side, with a 200 ohm resistor, the pc will output higher amperage and not let the phone switch into pc charge mode. You will not be able to sync with that cable but it will charge your phone like your ac outlet as long as it is a usb 2.0 port.
Why not just buy a charger for a MOTO Razr? Thats why I use and it charges my phone fairly quickly, but slow enough to put more of a deep charge into the battery.
The less amperage you put towards charging a battery, will actually charge the battery "more".
Related
I just noticed something with my phone. When I am charging my phone it takes a really long long longggggg time to charge. Usually more than 8 hours. I kept tracking the charge and usually it remains on 99% forever. Sometimes if I get a call, or open the phone to check how much battery life was charged or just anything that makes the phone active a minute later its finished the charge. I think my charging is messed up and my phone will remain on 99% unless I make it active so it registers it as complete charge. Is there a setting or something that I am missing?
bump .
Is 99%-100% a big issue? The 8 hour charge sounds too long, but is that from the mains charger or from a usb charge?
Does the phone actually charge correctly & just not show the battery status properly? (charge it on the mains for 2 hours, then use the phone - if it lasts the day then its probably just the indication playing about).
Were you charging from the main USB port on your computer OR via the USB hub. there is a huge difference.
If you were charging through the USB port from your computer, you would be getting power exclusively for the phone
if you were charging through the USB hub, then your phone is fighting for power with other devices so therefore less power going to charge it.
your other choice is get yourself a cradle so you can mainline from a power outlet and also from the computer directly.
Goodluck
mputtr said:
Were you charging from the main USB port on your computer OR via the USB hub. there is a huge difference.
If you were charging through the USB port from your computer, you would be getting power exclusively for the phone
if you were charging through the USB hub, then your phone is fighting for power with other devices so therefore less power going to charge it.
your other choice is get yourself a cradle so you can mainline from a power outlet and also from the computer directly.
Goodluck
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
A self-powered (not bus-powered) USB hub would be able to deliver the same 500ma/port that the controller on the motherboard would deliver. In reality, most USB ports (both on motherboards and hubs) can deliver more than that, because there's a lot of poorly designed USB devices that'll draw more.
true. I did forget to mention self powered ports, just because I rarely have those kind of hubs. Godefroi is right. If your USB hub is powered via an adapter, then that should not be a problem, otherwise it can be either the cable or even the port itself.
Fuze - power outlet wont charge
I am getting really annoyed by this, someone please HELP!!! I have a Fuze and for some reason for the past few weeks my phone will not charge on a power outlet but it will charge on a usb and with the car charger. I have tried my dads charger same thing so i know its not my charger...
SOMEONE PLEASE HELP!!!
I bought the SlingPlayer app as a way to listen to news at work while I do my work. What I have noticed is that plugging it into my USB port slows down the battery drain of the app, but the power draw caused by the app is more than the USB port can provide, so after enough time, I have to shut down SlingPlayer to let the battery recharge.
Are there any settings that I can do (under clock?) to reduce the power draw?
Would finding a two male USB to micro USB cable from somewhere(?) do the trick, or is that dangerous doubling the amperage?
I am hoping there is an option that does not involve a power adapter, because all the plugs are already taken.
Usually computer usb ports are only 500mA. The wall charger that came with the phone is 700mA and the phone itself it's 1000mA.
So the phone is using 1000mA while you're providing it only 1/2 of the power it needs.
I would recommend getting a usb wall charger that supplies 1000mA or if you can find the Y usb cable for your computer that would work too.
Reduce brightness by 50% see if that helps , screen is biggest power consumer on cell phones. Or just power it from wall charger not computer USB port.
HI,
does the i9000 Galaxy S support the quick/fast charge from battery charging spec. 1.1?
My new pc mainboard does support this via software/driver. And allows to load with up to 1,5A
I couldn't find information on that.
The i9000 is USB 2.0 not USB 3.0, so the answer is no.
not exactly correct
as it does charge faster with a higher AMP output charger.
i use a 2 Ah or 2000 mAh charger in my car and the phone does accept the faster / quick charge
so if your PC has the option to do the higher 1.5 Ah output, it will take it just fine
just like if you have a 1200 mAh wall charger as some people here uses.
I installed the asus driver which installs a service and the aicharger.sys
I restarted.
They tray shows an icon with a plug, but it is crossed. Like disconnected.
I pluged in the i9000 via the usb2.0 port an no changes.
I then pluged the phone in to a usb3.0 port but the icon still shows disconnected (or ai-charging off)
Any ideas?
AllGamer said:
so if your PC has the option to do the higher 1.5 Ah output, it will take it just fine
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is the bit that is not exactly correct. Regardless of how the hardware is set up it's up to the phone driver to request a powersupply from the computer. As it is the Galaxy only requests only 2 unit loads (200mA) from the computer, no where near the 500mA max of the USB2.0
So no simply plugging in a more capable computer won't change a thing.
interesting.
Are there any mods or fixes to support more usb power while connected to a pc?
None that I have seen.
ok, so the only possibility to charge faster is, to get an after market 3rd party wall plug with higher current than 700ma?
garbz said:
This is the bit that is not exactly correct. Regardless of how the hardware is set up it's up to the phone driver to request a powersupply from the computer. As it is the Galaxy only requests only 2 unit loads (200mA) from the computer, no where near the 500mA max of the USB2.0
So no simply plugging in a more capable computer won't change a thing.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Interesting. So does the SGS actually use all of the 700mA out of the stock factory charger? If I use my 2.1 A charger could I overheat the battery?
Ok I've had it with the speculation. I've got a USB micro socket and plug on order and I'm going to make a pass through cable and measure the 4 different chargers I have here at the moment this weekend so we can put this one to rest
Stay Tunes.
Ok did a test. No the SGS does not use all 700mA. It uses 470mA. Charging is faster from the dedicated charger than the computer. I verified that the phone only draws less than 100mA from the computer socket.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14272927#post14272927
Thank you.
But can I get more current from my PC with ASUS ai Charge?
I installed the driver but the icon in the tray doesn't recognize my Samsung.
That is because it doesn't have something an Apple Product has.
Apple products get more current with that driver/software thing. But the i9000 doesn't work with it.
in the past i checked if it is possible to charge the battery faster, and not Necessarily through the phone.
i asked a guy who works with electronics and he simply explained that everything is possible, even charging the battery to full in a few minutes, but it WILL kill the battery very fast...
yeah i installed to anticipate a quick charge...but all i get is icon with a big cross...
deleting it now......its useless to me...
SpaZzzzz said:
i asked a guy who works with electronics and he simply explained that everything is possible, even charging the battery to full in a few minutes, but it WILL kill the battery very fast...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Everything is possible when you charge the battery itself directly, but not when you charge through the phone. The phone is the charger. The computer and the wall plug only provide power to the phone. Unless you go in with a soldering iron there's nothing you can do to speed up the charge beyond what the Samsung wall adapter gives you.
I know Adaptive Fast Charging doesn't kick in unless the battery is very low - less than 20%, I believe. And, yes, I have the 15 watt charger(s) that supports AFC/QC2.0
Does anyone know of a way, or if it's even possible, to trigger the phone to kick in fast charging at low, but not painfully low, rates?
Hi
My S6 always charges at the quickest speed possible because when I connect my Samsung Charger the phone tells me I have connected the fast charger and I know it is charging quickly because if I use another charger the time for a full charge will increase significantly. Are you using the official fast charger?
Yes, I've always experimented with the high-power charger that came with the phone.
Fast charging will speed up or slow down automatically based on how charged the battery is. The emptier the battery, the faster it will charge. This charge will slow down gradually as the battery fills up. I don't think there's a way to facilitate this, and even if there was, it probably would not be recommended to do as it might damage the battery.
Fast Charging is a concept, that comes into play when you are connected to the USB port of your PC. Typically when connected in MTP mode (or PTP FWIW), Phone charges slowly in order to prevent damage to the usb port. Certain kernels can permit fast charge provided your laptop has fastcharge usb.
For Wall charging, Rapidcharge technology does exist but requires original samsung charger. With any other OEM charger, it'd be a matter of luck since it'd need to have that 11th pin on the microusb.
Everything else that @Japultra is correct.
I'm almost too embarrassed to admit this, but it was the micro USB cord that wasn't letting my phone avail itself of the high-power adapters. I came across a thicker USB cable and, thinking/hoping that thicker cable also translated to higher gauge conducts, decided to try it out with my phone that was at 65%. Yup. The phone now indicated "fast charging".
I appreciate your forbearance, folks!
bwb8771 said:
I'm almost too embarrassed to admit this, but it was the micro USB cord that wasn't letting my phone avail itself of the high-power adapters. I came across a thicker USB cable and, thinking/hoping that thicker cable also translated to higher gauge conducts, decided to try it out with my phone that was at 65%. Yup. The phone now indicated "fast charging".
I appreciate your forbearance, folks!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So the original cable that came with the s6 wasn't working for you?
hi, since i got the phone (2 month) i was very surprised because the fast charge, 1 game of lol was enough to get 60% or more, but since last 4 or 5 days, i have noticed that it does not longer charge like before, it used to need around 1 and a 20 min to charge all the battery, but now it takes around 2 hours, like using a normal charger. Thanks, and btw english is not my first language :silly:
Happened to me once, rebooted the phone and fast charging was working again.
4chanz said:
hi, since i got the phone (2 month) i was very surprised because the fast charge, 1 game of lol was enough to get 60% or more, but since last 4 or 5 days, i have noticed that it does not longer charge like before, it used to need around 1 and a 20 min to charge all the battery, but now it takes around 2 hours, like using a normal charger. Thanks, and btw english is not my first language :silly:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
fastcharge works only with screen off and no app opened (es. game/video/music/etc)
Also make sure you using good quality cable. Some weak ones can "block" quick charge. Best setup is just the stock one.
superdioz said:
fastcharge works only with screen off and no app opened (es. game/video/music/etc)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It still fast charges while in use... just won't be as fast since you're drawing power too. However, using the battery while charging at the same time makes the battery heat up very easily (true for most all devices even on normal 5V/1A chargers) so it is always recommended to keep your device in a state of minimal drain while charging.
I've had issues on past phones where sync/charge cables (stock ones even) get detected as USB connection instead of AC and charge at limited amps because of it. Swapping out to a new stock cable or even a dedicated charge cable with no sync pins usually solves the issue. EDIT: as przemo3679 says below, Qualcomm Quick Charge standard negotiates the higher voltage mode over the data pins, so "charge only" style cords with the data pins missing or shorted will not work in QC mode.
PhantasmRezound said:
It still fast charges while in use... just won't be as fast since you're drawing power too. However, using the battery while charging at the same time makes the battery heat up very easily (true for most all devices even on normal 5V/1A chargers) so it is always recommended to keep your device in a state of minimal drain while charging.
I've had issues on past phones where sync/charge cables (stock ones even) get detected as USB connection instead of AC and charge at limited amps because of it. Swapping out to a new stock cable or even a dedicated charge cable with no sync pins usually solves the issue.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
no, the snapdragon 810 has overheating problems so if the screen is on the fastcharge is disabled, is the same reason because while you play and the phone heat up the display brightness cant be over 75%.
superdioz said:
no, the snapdragon 810 has overheating problems so if the screen is on the fastcharge is disabled, is the same reason because while you play and the phone heat up the display brightness cant be over 75%.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It does not disable the fast charge simply because the screen is on. That is how you keep phrasing it.
It disables fast charge if the phone is overheating. Technically this is not the same thing.
Many common usage factors (gaming, heavy mobile data use, high screen brightness, etc.) can make the heat build up fast enough to trigger thermal throttling and disable fast charge of course. But it is also possible to tweak the kernel and thermal files and adjust usage (light browsing only, use strong wifi in lieu of mobile radio, reduce screen brightness) to keep the phone in fast charge even when screen is on.
PhantasmRezound said:
It still fast charges while in use... just won't be as fast since you're drawing power too. However, using the battery while charging at the same time makes the battery heat up very easily (true for most all devices even on normal 5V/1A chargers) so it is always recommended to keep your device in a state of minimal drain while charging.
I've had issues on past phones where sync/charge cables (stock ones even) get detected as USB connection instead of AC and charge at limited amps because of it. Swapping out to a new stock cable or even a dedicated charge cable with no sync pins usually solves the issue.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I disagree. If phone is charging, but not fast it is usually caused by damaged data lanes, or too big resistance on some lane. Cables without sync lanes would work on some devices, but would not on others, current will be limited to 500mA. It's hard to say on which.
And w/o data pins quick charge can't work on any device. Phone use it to communicate with charger to set best voltage and current to actual device.
As i said, original is the best. U can't blame damaged cord for charging issues.
I have a usb voltmeter and I can assure you that it use the 9V charging while the screen is on and also when it's in use (so the screen is on and the phone is in use). The amp only drop when percentage is near complete charging but stay at 9V so technically it still use fast charging.
Quality of the usb cable is very important but quick charge (or fast charge as LG call it) use of higher voltage make the quality less important. I can use a 3 meter usb cable for example, with a iPad charger (5V 2.1A and genuine) I can't even charge my flex 2 (it can't draw more than 300mA and the battery deplete more slowly but don't charge even is not in use). I won't explain why a higher voltage is less sensitive to resistance (the resistance rise with the lenght of the wire) but that's the reason we use high voltage line to transport electricity.
OP here. I use the stock charger and cable that came with the phone, plus they dont see damaged or very used. Still feeling it "slow" :s
I have H950 Stock 5.0.1 , sometimes quick charge doesn't work properly so I turn the power off and charge while off for half an hour it charges very fast and reaches over 70% then turn it back on
Le_Zouave said:
I have a usb voltmeter and I can assure you that it use the 9V charging while the screen is on and also when it's in use (so the screen is on and the phone is in use). The amp only drop when percentage is near complete charging but stay at 9V so technically it still use fast charging.
Quality of the usb cable is very important but quick charge (or fast charge as LG call it) use of higher voltage make the quality less important. I can use a 3 meter usb cable for example, with a iPad charger (5V 2.1A and genuine) I can't even charge my flex 2 (it can't draw more than 300mA and the battery deplete more slowly but don't charge even is not in use). I won't explain why a higher voltage is less sensitive to resistance (the resistance rise with the lenght of the wire) but that's the reason we use high voltage line to transport electricity.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree with You, in short words more current (A) means more temperature. At the same power (W) bigger voltage (V) means lower current (A). But i think u didn't get what i mean. There is some kind mechanism, which block quick charge when cable is too crapy. I had one of those, and it was fully functional witch data lanes, but it was designed to power 0,5A device. When i tried to connect it to the Flex it said slow charging (or something like that). I think it somehow measures resistance.
I also want to refer to your words: "quick charge (or fast charge as LG call it) use of higher voltage make the quality less important". It is advantage of the quick charge, but not main purpose. U can always made a bit thicker lanes. But you can't change connector. Remember that USB 2.0 standard was designed in april 2000, so it is a bit old now . Back in the days nobody was thinking about 5,5" monsters with 3Ah batteries. Flex is charging with around 15W and it is too much(it can dangerously hot, create arcs etc.). Remember that conductor heats up the most in the greatest resistance point, which is connector. Now we have USB type C, with better connector, which can hold on greater currents, but if we have standard, why did not use it (QC2.0 & QC3.0), and have thinner cord?
About charging time, mine from 0-10% to about 90% takes about an hour.
Guys i solved the problem, after noticing that now the animations (rotation, multitasking, and others) werent working, i decided to do a hard reset, now everything is working, fastcharge, animations, etc. not sure what was the cause, a friend told me was a virus for watching porn lol
przemo3679 said:
When i tried to connect it to the Flex it said slow charging (or something like that). I think it somehow measures resistance.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I see exactly what message you get, it's the same message when you connect to a computer, right?
It detect a computer and limit itself to 5V and 500mA which was the standard back in the time.
I know someone that fried a laptop motherboard with a vaping bypass, so that limit have purpose.
What is strange is if you get that message with a faulty cable and a lg fast charge charger because the charger should only send signal to negociate quick charge.
I don't think it can measure the resistance or the intensity, or at least the measurement is not monitored in some app because when I use a cable with high resistance and the battery percentage don't go up, I don't have that message.
Le_Zouave said:
I see exactly what message you get, it's the same message when you connect to a computer, right?
It detect a computer and limit itself to 5V and 500mA which was the standard back in the time.
I know someone that fried a laptop motherboard with a vaping bypass, so that limit have purpose.
What is strange is if you get that message with a faulty cable and a lg fast charge charger because the charger should only send signal to negociate quick charge.
I don't think it can measure the resistance or the intensity, or at least the measurement is not monitored in some app because when I use a cable with high resistance and the battery percentage don't go up, I don't have that message.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My bad with translation. If you have no data lanes phone will usually charge with 0.5A as You said, but when i used this crappy one it was something closer to "To maintain best performance use original standardized charger". It was charging faster than 0.5A, but it wasn't QC.
przemo3679 said:
My bad with translation. If you have no data lanes phone will usually charge with 0.5A as You said, but when i used this crappy one it was something closer to "To maintain best performance use original standardized charger". It was charging faster than 0.5A, but it wasn't QC.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think you mean the opposite, without the data pin (2 center pin on usb plug) the phone will think he is on a charger and don't limit itself for drawing current even if it's connected to a computer.
Normally a usb device have to be limited to 5V and 500mA,
But qc need the data pin to negotiate the qc voltage so if you use a usb cable without data pin it will stay at 5V.
I have one cable that top at 5V and 100mA (around 80mA normaly) it's very low and it can't charge the phone, it just make it lose battery more slowly, in that case I don't have the message you talk about. That message should appear when it's connected on a computer. My usb voltmeter also have a feature to block data pin, when that feature is activated the message don't pop and it draw more than 500mA from a computer.
There is a good voltmeter on aliexpress, I can make you the link but it's easily recognizable with a transparent blue case, around 10$. There is many model so be sure to take the quick charge compatible. You can make theory on many things but you can truly understand only if you try by yourself.