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[Workaround] GPS lock with bluetooth module and free software

If this was already posted, please don't shoot me. I am merely trying to help with a workaround for the flaky GPS on our SGS's.
I know that many of us are done dealing with the GPS on our Galaxy S, and to be honest I was already contemplating in the last two weeks to get rid of this phone and switch back to my Nexus One.
Also as many of you, I have tried various software fixes from changing some simple settings all the way to replacing system files with no real improvment.
My solution is certainly not for anyone and there might have been similar posts alreay, however I don't think those solutions where freeware and without any restrictions. This one is free and the software does not have any timelimit or other restrictions.
Requirements:
1) You need a Bluetooth GPS module (in my case I have a Holux GPSlim 236)
2) Download an app called 'Bluetooth GPS Provider' puplished by mobile-j.de (its free)
3) enable BT in settings, create a link to your GPS module
4) under settings/application/development make sure 'allow mock locations' is eabled
5) open 'Bluetooth GPS Provider' and under preferences the first item lets you choose the BT GPS receiver.
6) you may need to change the 'GPS type' under preferences if you cannot get data.
7) back on the main page of the 'Bluetooth GPS Provider' software click on 'Start'
Once you have a lock you can use the navigation software of your choice.
If you are using Google Navigation, it will ask you to enable the internal GPS, which is fine. Turn it on via the task pane and once you are on the mapping software you can tun it back off the same way. The software only checks at the startup of Google Nav if the internal GPS is running.
The tracking with my Holux was dead one - and I do mean dead on. It tracked every corner I took without any lag.
If I can get the APK of the file I will upload it here, but the app should be accessible to anyone on the market.
The APK is now attached in case someone has a hard time finding it

No offense intended, but I really don't feel like spending another $50-$100 for a bluetooth GPS receiver.
If you already have one, I can see this being a viable option though.

polarbee said:
No offense intended, but I really don't feel like spending another $50-$100 for a bluetooth GPS receiver.
If you already have one, I can see this being a viable option though.
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Well, I know what you mean.
If I didn't have the Holux already I would not consider this either, but someone else may not even realize this option exists and it certainly is a better solution than using the GPS receiver with a laptop and some windows based tracking software.

anosis said:
Well, I know what you mean.
If I didn't have the Holux already I would not consider this either, but someone else may not even realize this option exists and it certainly is a better solution than using the GPS receiver with a laptop and some windows based tracking software.
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Definitely agreed.

U can get them much cheaper on ebay. Or if you have an old windows phone, which is what I use (my tilt or fuze)
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Nerz said:
U can get them much cheaper on ebay. Or if you have an old windows phone, which is what I use (my tilt or fuze)
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Huh. Hadn't thought of that. Wonder if my Tilt could still prove useful then?

Perfect accuracy and tracking for me. Gpsgate for winmo is like 15 bucks.
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I tried using this but I kept getting some weird "resets" randomly. It wouldn't really reset but the screen would go black and then the home screen would re-load, the phone signal would be disconnected and then finally reconnect, just like it does when you power up your phone. The button backlights would be lit the entire time it "resets" though. I'm using Cognition v2.2 Beta7 right now.
When it does work it works really well. Just had too many "resets" trying to use it and becomes frustrating. Maybe updating to the latest Cog will help.

Nerz said:
Perfect accuracy and tracking for me. Gpsgate for winmo is like 15 bucks.
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Does your old phone have an active SIM?
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Does your old phone have an active SIM?
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Nope. The sim door is actually broken on my tilt so I can't get service to it.
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GPS issue a conflict with Google Maps?

This question goes to anyone using CoPilot 8, MapQuest or any tracking software that isn't Google Maps 5.0. Are you keeping locks? Similar to how using LBStest mode allows for a faster and more stable lock than one from GMaps
I ask this because I just downloaded the new MapQuest thats free on the Market and I'm getting a lock down to 10 yards and Max 32 yards out. But the interesting thing about it is that it maintains the lock even when moving.
For those who are well aware of the GPS issue it isn't so much the locking as it the maintaining so my question was are people getting better results with GPS programs that aren't Google Maps? And if so do you think the issue with GPS may also be a conflict with how Google Maps utilizes the GPS drivers?

krazyphire said:
This question goes to anyone using CoPilot 8, MapQuest or any tracking software that isn't Google Maps 5.0. Are you keeping locks? Similar to how using LBStest mode allows for a faster and more stable lock than one from GMaps
I ask this because I just downloaded the new MapQuest thats free on the Market and I'm getting a lock down to 10 yards and Max 32 yards out. But the interesting thing about it is that it maintains the lock even when moving.
For those who are well aware of the GPS issue it isn't so much the locking as it the maintaining so my question was are people getting better results with GPS programs that aren't Google Maps? And if so do you think the issue with GPS may also be a conflict with how Google Maps utilizes the GPS drivers?
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Yes I noticed the same thing, Google maps was very poor at keeping on track and locks. I switched to Navigon about 2 months ago and have never been happier. I really think all the GPS issue are related to Google maps and not the hardware as everyone is saying.

I just downloaded Mapquest app. Will test it out later today and report back. Will drive 1 way with google, and 1 way with Mapquest.

krazyphire said:
This question goes to anyone using CoPilot 8, MapQuest or any tracking software that isn't Google Maps 5.0. Are you keeping locks? Similar to how using LBStest mode allows for a faster and more stable lock than one from GMaps
I ask this because I just downloaded the new MapQuest thats free on the Market and I'm getting a lock down to 10 yards and Max 32 yards out. But the interesting thing about it is that it maintains the lock even when moving.
For those who are well aware of the GPS issue it isn't so much the locking as it the maintaining so my question was are people getting better results with GPS programs that aren't Google Maps? And if so do you think the issue with GPS may also be a conflict with how Google Maps utilizes the GPS drivers?
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great...have been waiting for a mapquest app hadn't realized it was available yet. hopefully it works as well as the iphone mapquest app..gonna test it out on the ride home.

It always was odd to me that GPSTest would hold 7 satellite locks with a correct speedometer and whatnot, yet Googlemaps can't track me at all.

I played with MapQuest a bit the other day when it was released. During one drive it seemed to be a bit better than Google Nav in tracking, but was still sub-par. These observations weren't scientific by any means, but just what I noticed when I tried the app out.

jhernand1102 said:
Yes I noticed the same thing, Google maps was very poor at keeping on track and locks. I switched to Navigon about 2 months ago and have never been happier. I really think all the GPS issue are related to Google maps and not the hardware as everyone is saying.
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It seems to be a convoluted issue. I can attest that with a Bluetooth GPS receiver for my Captivate that Google Maps/Navigator works marvelously, whereas it is marginal with just the Captivate GPS.
With that said I have not tried the other software referenced but I think I might give it a shot now.

Yeah I noticed for mine that GMaps at least 2 minutes in no matter what modem I was currently testing just go ahead and drop the signal. But on MapQuest it holds the signal and granted sometimes it shows me in the other lane but at least it moving with me lol

Hmm map quest shows where im sitting at in my house exactly while google maps has me out across the road... Ill test it navigation and tacking later. Wish it was more snappy as gmaps.

Truth is, I thought the same when Bing Maps came out but it still didn't track well at all.

I wonder if AT&T borked the GPS/Google Maps interaction to boost subscriptions to their paid navigation service

iamjester said:
I wonder if AT&T borked the GPS/Google Maps interaction to boost subscriptions to their paid navigation service
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Works great with other phones.
My brother's Bold has GPS lock in Google Maps up to 3 feet.

qwertyaas said:
Works great with other phones.
My brother's Bold has GPS lock in Google Maps up to 3 feet.
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I used to have the bold. Those things have exceptional radios! But really all I wanted to see here is if people were getting the same results with GPS alternatives

iamjester said:
I wonder if AT&T borked the GPS/Google Maps interaction to boost subscriptions to their paid navigation service
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you mean like they did with the Fuze?

gospeedgo said:
I just downloaded Mapquest app. Will test it out later today and report back. Will drive 1 way with google, and 1 way with Mapquest.
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Well, after my 15 mile drive, I actually saw better tracking with Google Navigation than with Mapquest.
Plus, I like the actual UI better.
It would have been worth switching for better tracking, but the Mpaquest app kept losing me, then finding me again. Next time to be sure, I'll use them again, but Google going, and Mapquest coming back.

gospeedgo said:
Well, after my 15 mile drive, I actually saw better tracking with Google Navigation than with Mapquest.
Plus, I like the actual UI better.
It would have been worth switching for better tracking, but the Mpaquest app kept losing me, then finding me again. Next time to be sure, I'll use them again, but Google going, and Mapquest coming back.
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Interesting I noticed the exact opposite and the Google Nav/Maps never maintains a lock or it holds it until it doesn't think I'm looking anymore lol. While MapQuest has successfully locked inside 10 seconds and held it
Do you have any GPS settings edited or are you just stock?

mmarquis said:
It seems to be a convoluted issue. I can attest that with a Bluetooth GPS receiver for my Captivate that Google Maps/Navigator works marvelously, whereas it is marginal with just the Captivate GPS.
With that said I have not tried the other software referenced but I think I might give it a shot now.
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Yes. EXTREMELY convoluted. To point it's possible that the Google Maps Navigation could be responsible (it is still in beta after all). But then again, it seems to work just great on other devices.
I've been playing with software tweaks for a few weeks now, but in all honesty I'm not sure it's even possible to get it fixed with software alone as it seems likely that the hardware design is also to blame.

krazyphire said:
Interesting I noticed the exact opposite and the Google Nav/Maps never maintains a lock or it holds it until it doesn't think I'm looking anymore lol. While MapQuest has successfully locked inside 10 seconds and held it
Do you have any GPS settings edited or are you just stock?
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I'm running Supernova 2.0.6, haven't changed any settings since flashing.

gospeedgo said:
I'm running Supernova 2.0.6, haven't changed any settings since flashing.
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Do you know if that ROM has the north-america.pool.ntp server GPS fix set? which basically just changes the region of the device gps
EDIT: Also what modem does it have? I'm using NKP1 (best results so far) and was going to test this with JL2 later

This gps issue seems no different then the issues experienced by HTC devices in the past. A quick scan through any gps topic usually produces drastically differwnt experiences ranging from. "never had a problem" to " im returning this pos!""
I just got my captivate and would be considered a gps power user i suppose. I use everytrail.com,gmaps w latitude and several other geocaching programs. i have yet to experience anything negatove with the reaction or tracking of the gps --- (wait for it)... That is to say nothing unexpected. I have some slight lag after not using ot for days, in the redwoods and many trails in california nothing short of a 500 dollar handheld dedicated gps will even get signal. My point being users who have been dealing with gps for a few years now seem to understand what is actually happening... And give the device some leeway. Ive worked in the field for gettropcs. Verizon sprint att.... NOTHING can be done when installing a Modcell until you triangulate. Tree cover, moisture, cloud cover, etc. Can all play a role. (nevermind the brainiacs in their bedroom with no windows who cant figure out why they cant lock)
BTWi paid fifty dollars for my captivates. Originally 150 thrpugh preimiere i walked into target and fell over when i saw them for fifty. I called Nd threatened to walk and they credited my account 100 dollars for each phone.
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[Q] How many of you are having GPS issues.

Just trying to get count on how many are having GPS issues.
symptoms:
1) no direct lock
2) no lock at all
3) triangulated lock
3) Shows you driving 15 ft off road
4) "Bounces around"
5) Losses signal frequently
i have all of the above

I have 0 GPS issues.
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Google maps will not follow me.i have to move the screen to keep up.google navigation works fine..also co pilot works fine and it uses zero data so far im happy with the gps...on the captivate i have to start the gps test app. Before i can get a lock

the gps is very good but the setting can cause issues. i had some of the issues you mention, changed the sulp setting to auto config in lbs test mode and set it to msbased to match the secgps.conf file. i tried the google supl server but the gps was worse! the url is long for the server used in auto config so instead of writting it i just suggest you use the auto setting.
after that it works amazingly good, reception indoors is not as good as the nexus s or the atrix but the accuracy and lock times are nothing short of amazing.
also i never use wireless networks, it may try to fall back on it if you have a temporary reception issue and just cause major tracking issues. it is basically useless.
but that said if you always have the issues mentioned and not just occasionally then you may have a problem

Mine works great in maps.. didn't try tracking in Navagation but was playing with the voice on Google widget. Would say "navigate to dominos .Gonzales,la "and it would open Navagation but I can't here or get voice guided.
Does any one else get voice nav.
sent from Infuse but miss my captivate on cont. 5.5.... One day this can be as good...

Voice nav. Works fine..google maps is not working good at all..i wil try a reset and see how it goes..i had omnia 1 and 2..never any issues with the gps...sam should rehire those guys!

Dani897 said:
the gps is very good but the setting can cause issues. i had some of the issues you mention, changed the sulp setting to auto config in lbs test mode and set it to msbased to match the secgps.conf file. i tried the google supl server but the gps was worse! the url is long for the server used in auto config so instead of writting it i just suggest you use the auto setting.
after that it works amazingly good, reception indoors is not as good as the nexus s or the atrix but the accuracy and lock times are nothing short of amazing.
also i never use wireless networks, it may try to fall back on it if you have a temporary reception issue and just cause major tracking issues. it is basically useless.
but that said if you always have the issues mentioned and not just occasionally then you may have a problem
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What code do enter you enter to get into the gps settings??

FIREONHIGH said:
What code do enter you enter to get into the gps settings??
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i used launcher pro activities. i didnt care to try dialer codes. you just need launcher pro installed. you dont need to use it as the launcher.

Dani897 said:
i used launcher pro activities. i didnt care to try dialer codes.
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Thanks.i need buy the lic.for launcher pro,correct? Because i dont see the option you mentioned..

FIREONHIGH said:
Thanks.i need buy the lic.for launcher pro,correct? Because i dont see the option you mentioned..
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nope launcher pro free works fine.

I'm lost. But yes I get voice navigation. Seems to be an issue with Google maps and not navigation. Have any of you looked at the comments on Google maps in the market? Poeple using galaxy s devices have issues too. And come to think another it. Our device s basically a galaxy s device with out the lable... going to go switch it out tho. Get a new one and see how that goes.
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Dani897 said:
nope launcher pro free works fine.
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Thanks man i found it..

Yea no actually voice for me. Never talks.
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Transformer27 said:
I'm lost. But yes I get voice navigation. Seems to be an issue with Google maps and not navigation. Have any of you looked at the comments on Google maps in the market? Poeple using galaxy s devices have issues too. And come to think another it. Our device s basically a galaxy s device with out the lable... going to go switch it out tho. Get a new one and see how that goes.
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I went through the same crap as you did yesterday.
Used Copilot , all settings were default (not using wireless network , only using USE gps sattellites)
Took 15-20 minutes to grab a lock ... litterally had to park the car to the side and stick my hand out the window on a clear sunny day (total bull$hit) ... once I got a lock as I was driving on the highway it would occasionally show me driving waaaaaaaay off to the right than I actually was.
I hate admitting but I'm missing my iphone 3g , had instant lockon gps times

Transformer27 said:
I'm lost. But yes I get voice navigation. Seems to be an issue with Google maps and not navigation. Have any of you looked at the comments on Google maps in the market? Poeple using galaxy s devices have issues too. And come to think another it. Our device s basically a galaxy s device with out the lable... going to go switch it out tho. Get a new one and see how that goes.
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the galaxy s has different gps hardware or drivers but it can work adequately, this can work better, swap it out. if the second phone has issues i'll walk you through some better settings for it. i had a lot of experience with the captivate and know some things that mess with it. this however has agps (assisted gps) settings that work much better than the captivate and i recommend using them, after that you will not want to use a different device.

Dani897 said:
the galaxy s has different gps hardware or drivers but it can work adequately, this can work better, swap it out. if the second phone has issues i'll walk you through some better settings for it. i had a lot of experience with the captivate and know some things that mess with it. this however has agps (assisted gps) settings that work much better than the captivate and i recommend using them, after that you will not want to use a different device.
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Thanks! Like today it showed me in a Mercedes Benz dealership. I was like that is 9 streets down. what the hell!
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Transformer27 said:
Thanks! Like today it showed me in a Mercedes Benz dealership. I was like that is 9 streets down. what the hell!
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that would be the "use wireless networks" feature, dont use that. gps is never that far off.
turning that off will force gps and it may work better, if not you may need to change the supl settings to get the nmea data to download. agps will also help get the nmea data to download fast from the cell towers and not just from the satalites or wifi. having up to date nmea data makes all the difference.

isnt that used for when wifi is around? so even if im not on a wifi network it wouldn't work? so its like pointless to turn it off or on.?

Transformer27 said:
isnt that used for when wifi is around? so even if im not on a wifi network it wouldn't work? so its like pointless to turn it off or on.?
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just turn it off. it is completely useless. i have heard that it works off wifi, but it seems to do something anywhere i go, most people seem to believe that it is cell tower triangulation, either way the accuracy i get from it is as poor as 3600 meters and the center of the blue area is about 1 mile from my actual location. it serves no usefull purpose at all.

On or off still doesn't help
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Can someone suggest decent navigation software?

I'm new to the forum. My Tilt2's screen died, and AT&T let me do an early upgrade to the Inspire. I have been using Garmin Mobile XT on my Tilt2 as my navigator in my car. I won't receive my new Inspire until Thursday. Does it come with navigation out of the box? I was hoping to utilize the on-board GPS, not rely on an internet connection. Can you suggest something similar to Garmin or Tom Tom. I like cheap. Thanks for your help.

I really miss Garmin Mobile XT from Tilt2 and HD2, too. It comes with Google Maps and Navigation but the best I've found so far is CoPilot Live in the market. I would think that Garmin would eventually release their software for Android since one of the Garmin phones ran Android but I don't have any idea when that might be.

volumnus said:
I'm new to the forum. My Tilt2's screen died, and AT&T let me do an early upgrade to the Inspire. I have been using Garmin Mobile XT on my Tilt2 as my navigator in my car. I won't receive my new Inspire until Thursday. Does it come with navigation out of the box? I was hoping to utilize the on-board GPS, not rely on an internet connection. Can you suggest something similar to Garmin or Tom Tom. I like cheap. Thanks for your help.
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Google navigation
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dooyoo222 said:
Google navigation
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I love the google nav

Google Nav or Mapquest
Both are decent and free, and Mapquest upgraded their voice directions piece. I think you will be VERY happy with your Inspire, and you will find either of these to get you (literally) where you want to go.

TeleNav
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I use the google nav too its stock on the phone out of the box and I love it. But it does require data usage.

CoPilot is great because of the offline use, fantastic for traveling in areas with poor network connection.

Try navigon now on the market. It's way better than copilot but it's about $30 while you can get copilot for $5.
I have copilot because it was the only thing available on the market at the time but if I could choose today I would go with navigon as it have better maps and routing.
Copilot have a drm/licensing hell and if you're into flashing new roms be ready to mail their tech support often requesting a reset on the activation.

Has anyone tried the copilot app? Is it worth the cost?
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I miss my Garmin voices but Google Navigation isn't bad after upgrading the tts engine to svox it's ok. The maps are more up to date at least.

Google nav is good but the one I used on my old Tilt 2 was Waze. Its pertty fun and interactive to use pluss, iff alit of other people use waze n urr area, it can give you live traffic updates based on there pls position and speed. Allso, u can report accedents or other road hazzards for everyone to see. Verry usefull gps.
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i used this on my fascinate. crazy as hell to download, nice software though
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1108760

Yup, last night I downloaded Waze and it was fun and informative. If there were a lot of people using Waze then we were able to see where the traps were and the accidents. Nice navigation app!
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Google nav is good but the one I used on my old Tilt 2 was Waze. Its pertty fun and interactive to use pluss, iff alit of other people use waze n urr area, it can give you live traffic updates based on there pls position and speed. Allso, u can report accedents or other road hazzards for everyone to see. Verry usefull gps.
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ottergap said:
I really miss Garmin Mobile XT from Tilt2 and HD2, too. It comes with Google Maps and Navigation but the best I've found so far is CoPilot Live in the market. I would think that Garmin would eventually release their software for Android since one of the Garmin phones ran Android but I don't have any idea when that might be.
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Big ups to CoPilot, I paid $5 on the Market, maps can be downloaded for free, and there is no data charge incurred when you use it. Working great for me.

LGSilva said:
Try navigon now on the market. It's way better than copilot but it's about $30 while you can get copilot for $5.
I have copilot because it was the only thing available on the market at the time but if I could choose today I would go with navigon as it have better maps and routing.
Copilot have a drm/licensing hell and if you're into flashing new roms be ready to mail their tech support often requesting a reset on the activation.
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If you backup and restore CoPilot (app and data) with Titanium Backup, it does not require re-activation.

smalis said:
If you backup and restore CoPilot (app and data) with Titanium Backup, it does not require re-activation.
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That not always work...
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[Q] CoPilot Live on Triumph

Has anyone else tried using CoPilot Live on the Triumph? I've had no problems with ANY GPS app, other than this one! I get a good GPS lock before even launching the app, and in my notification bar it shows I have lock, but yet CoPilot doesn't want to show me my location.
I've had no issues with this app on any other phones.
Personally, I'd rather use Google Maps, but CoPilot Live is great when there is no data coverage since the maps are stored locally on the MicroSD card!
Thanks!

I had CoPilot working on my MT in Palm Springs this week (hot!!!!!!) since I wasn't getting signal. After it took several minutes to get a lock, it worked great - I actually hadn't used it before driving and the voice guidance was more helpful than the Garmin dedicated gps (with now dead batteries and bad charging cable.)
It was especially satisfying since my girlfriend's iphone4 gps wasn't working there
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JWhipple said:
Has anyone else tried using CoPilot Live on the Triumph? I've had no problems with ANY GPS app, other than this one! I get a good GPS lock before even launching the app, and in my notification bar it shows I have lock, but yet CoPilot doesn't want to show me my location.
I've had no issues with this app on any other phones.
Personally, I'd rather use Google Maps, but CoPilot Live is great when there is no data coverage since the maps are stored locally on the MicroSD card!
Thanks!
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I have it on my phone and just used it tonight for a three hour drive.. I would suggest a complete reinstall including the maps... I had it in my optimus before and I just downloaded the app from the market and it used the maps that were already in the card... It used to act wonky. Complete reinstall fixed it...
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aamir515 said:
I have it on my phone and just used it tonight for a three hour drive.. I would suggest a complete reinstall including the maps... I had it in my optimus before and I just downloaded the app from the market and it used the maps that were already in the card... It used to act wonky. Complete reinstall fixed it...
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Yeah i think that's the route I am going to take. Thanks for the feedback everyone!

Version 8 works fine for me, but 9 doesn't acquire any satellites....I've emailed tech support, but they are useless...my ticket is currently "under investigation."
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