So total noob question. What exactly is the lag thats being fixed? Is there a specific lag or is it more of a general slowness of the phone?
Thanks!!
Some apps open slow. Some people notice lag in booting the phone. Mainly overall feel i guess. Like you said.
docflower said:
So total noob question. What exactly is the lag thats being fixed? Is there a specific lag or is it more of a general slowness of the phone?
Thanks!!
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The lag that is being referred to is a lag caused by samsung's property rfs file system that samsung put on this phone. As far as I can tell there is a flaw in data write where the rfs file system can pause for as much as second - and when you get multiple process waiting in line to write data it causes a very noticeable lag in the phone as it will come to almost a standstill.
If you don't nice anything don;t worry about it....LOL
I see more issues caused by lag fixing than those who don't bother with them...especially when loading new ROMS A slight hesitation now and then doesn't bother me.....Perfection is not the goal.
I've found I don't need a lagfix for Cog's 2.2 beta 5.6.
I get a hiccup every once in a while but otherwise everything seems to run fine. And it's still a billion times faster than my old iPhone so I'm happy either way. (I had to wait to do EVERYTHING on that POS)
http://capfaq.com/w/Lagfix
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The lag that is being referred to is a lag caused by samsung's property rfs file system that samsung put on this phone. As far as I can tell there is a flaw in data write where the rfs file system can pause for as much as second - and when you get multiple process waiting in line to write data it causes a very noticeable lag in the phone as it will come to almost a standstill.
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Exactly how do this happen ? Can this be replicated on this phone so everyone can see it ? I have seen and experienced wake up lag on Androids that have non stock roms..and also the damnable phone dialer lag as well with my Hero..but have yet had this problem with my Captivate....So.. what does one have to do to see it on the Captivate? Your saying the file system that is causing this correct...I don't believe it is the same thing other Android phones are experiencing and what has been called LAG to honest with you..if it were then everyone that had this phone would be complaining about it. Sometimes I had to swipe 4 or 5 times to unlock my Hero..or having tried to dial a number only to have 5 or 6 extra numbers punched in because of the LAG..
I think what you seeing and what is being described here as LAG isn't really the LAG of most Android based phones are having..What I think is being described is just a slight hesitation of certain applications being opened and closed..This is normal for any computer depending on what and how large the program is.The file system used with these may indeed cause this but it is nothing as compared to a phone that really Lags. Boot lag is something entirely different..and as far as I can tell can be caused by what is loaded on the phone and not really the phone itself, unless the phone isn't really wiping any residual data before applying a new rom and thus causing conflicts on booting.
If this wasn't the case..then every Galaxy phone would do this..complete stock or one that has been customized. I may be totally wrong..but I don't think I am..
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The problem isn't on other Android phones because other Android phones don't use RFS. RFS is a Samsung thing.
And just about every person does complain about the lag... how severe it is depends on how heavy of a user you are so a few uber-light users might not notice it so much.
Me? I notice things like occasionally 10-30 seconds after returning to my home screen for my icons to appear, hesitation in keyboard entry causing massive typos and repeated keypresses, unresponsiveness of home keys only to have it suddenly register all queued presses, etc.
I acknowledge the problem but unfortunately a lot of the "lag fix" hacks cause more harm than good.
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Exactly how do this happen ? Can this be replicated on this phone so everyone can see it ? I have seen and experienced wake up lag on Androids that have non stock roms..and also the damnable phone dialer lag as well with my Hero..but have yet had this problem with my Captivate....So.. what does one have to do to see it on the Captivate? Your saying the file system that is causing this correct...I don't believe it is the same thing other Android phones are experiencing and what has been called LAG to honest with you..if it were then everyone that had this phone would be complaining about it. Sometimes I had to swipe 4 or 5 times to unlock my Hero..or having tried to dial a number only to have 5 or 6 extra numbers punched in because of the LAG..
I think what you seeing and what is being described here as LAG isn't really the LAG of most Android based phones are having..What I think is being described is just a slight hesitation of certain applications being opened and closed..This is normal for any computer depending on what and how large the program is.The file system used with these may indeed cause this but it is nothing as compared to a phone that really Lags. Boot lag is something entirely different..and as far as I can tell can be caused by what is loaded on the phone and not really the phone itself, unless the phone isn't really wiping any residual data before applying a new rom and thus causing conflicts on booting.
If this wasn't the case..then every Galaxy phone would do this..complete stock or one that has been customized. I may be totally wrong..but I don't think I am..
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I did not say that I ever saw this lag myself - I was just answering the question as to what was being fixed in the lag fixes - and the rfs file system hang that happens at the sync on close at the end of a write is what these guys are attempting to address with these lag fixes.
I am not even using a lagfix as the current custom rom I am running is running just fine without one.
Here this thread gives more in depth description and explanation of the rfs lag
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=799931
i feel the lag is caused by touchwiz and exaggerated by the file system. i never noticed a complete lack of lag with a lagfix. things got slightly less choppy but i think there is a big placebo effect around here. in eclair my phone was still laggy with any and all lagfix's that i tried including voodoo.
the leaked froyo doesn't lag too much but doesn't update the wallpaper on wakeup if you are running live walpapers so you get a black background ocasionally. applying the z4mod lagfix to froyo makes a difference in bootup and wakeup but is not totally necessary. actually there is a big potential for problems and forgetting to remove a lagfix before flashing will turn into a headache really fast.
The video in the below thread gives a clear enough demonstration of the effect. A lag in opening emails, or marking email unread, that is at least around 2 seconds every time and 5 seconds at one point. After a lagfix is installed, it consistently takes well under one second to perform the same operations.
As I understand it, lagfixes either re-partition the file system entirely with a new file system, or create a large cache so that data can be accessed quickly without as much interaction with the filesystem.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8638406#post8638406
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The video in the below thread gives a clear enough demonstration of the effect. A lag in opening emails, or marking email unread, that is at least around 2 seconds every time and 5 seconds at one point. After a lagfix is installed, it consistently takes well under one second to perform the same operations.
As I understand it, lagfixes either re-partition the file system entirely with a new file system, or create a large cache so that data can be accessed quickly without as much interaction with the filesystem.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8638406#post8638406
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While the video does indeed show lag in opening everything with that custom rom..where is the video showing the same issue with that phone prior to any modifications using the stock rom..? I'm not talking about one that has been rooted and re flashed..I am talking about one straight out of the box... If it took that long just to boot up with cog..then there really is something wrong. From a dead stop with the battery out to being fully up and running..takes less than 45 seconds with mine running staright from the box stock. Either I don't understand everything( big possibility) or something is either wrong with that phone with that rom installed on it.
I'm not trying to say this isn't Lag on the video..it clearly shows it..but I do question why a fair comparison isn't being shown..As much as I hate to say it..it looks like the biggest amount of issues I have seen here is from folks who have rooted and flashed new roms. BTW..my email opens as fast as the fixed one does as well. I am sure someone does have these issues (perhaps not to this degree) on a unaltered phone..but I also think it is exactly what I said earlier too..that some of it is normal..but some want everything instantaneously...and I don't believe that will happen for sometime.
I do understand what folks do here and why..I'm not totally dumb when it comes to rooting and flashing...but to me and the way I am seeing it..something somewhere isn't being taken into account here with how this rom is acting. I know a lot went into developing it..but..in all honesty to my eyes it looks like it isn't fully optimized yet,even with what has been done with it so-far.Of course I have absolutely no way of knowing what that phone did when it was totally stock either...but with out a true side bt side comparison video of the same phone..nor will anyone else. Also..I don't blame folks who want something different..Hell..if folks didn't try to make changes..nothing new would ever get developed,but sometimes trying to fix something that works fine,is cutting off your nose to spite your face too..
To me..instead of trying to replace the file system with something different..why not try to make a rom using it..? The phones are spec'd to use it..so use it..optimize it..and see if most all of these "issues" go away..Maybe easier said than done..I don't know..but that's how I look at it.
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The stock email is not the one shown in the video, it is touchdown which many use to sync their corporate email accounts as the stock program is inadequate or not compatible.
If you have not noticed the lag then you don't need a lagfix. Data intensive operations do exploit the flaws in the rfs system however and many experience better performance after installing one.
As for startup time, lagfix really has nothing to do with this. Regardless of setup, the phone will boot only slightly faster with one.
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For what its worth. I remember showing my coworker my lagfixed 2.1 and we compared to his stock, and did a side by side on browser, email and a couple of other apps. It was a big enough impression that he immediately installed oclf.
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For what its worth. I remember showing my coworker my lagfixed 2.1 and we compared to his stock, and did a side by side on browser, email and a couple of other apps. It was a big enough impression that he immediately installed oclf.
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Well..that make me wonder if all of these issues are a QC issue from Samsung..I do know I had to go through 7 different phones(all new not refurbs) for the wife last week we we signed up wit AT&T...
I guess I'll wait till the official non beta release of 2.2 is out before I start changing mine.This will give me a better understanding on how everything is right now..as opposed to flashing a different rom,and see if the phone starts acting up.
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As much as I hate to say it..it looks like the biggest amount of issues I have seen here is from folks who have rooted and flashed new roms.
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While I am rooted now (reluctantly, due to some things that I need to run that require it), my lag predates that as I only rooted recently. Lag of 10 seconds at a time is not uncommon... whether it's a freeze while using the keyboard, trying to pull down the notification bar, trying to switch apps, trying to use the "Home" key, or waiting for the home screen icons to re-appear. I've counted delays as long as 30 seconds at times.
If lagfixes weren't so dirty and unsafe, I'd be their biggest proponent.
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Hi Guys
Samsung Captivate is my very first Smartphone and i always knew i was gonna get an android phone.
I bought this phone yesterday and i absolutely love it.
But i am facing some problems
1. the phone is a bit laggy.
2. the battery life doesnt seem very great.
3. The third one is very weird. I went to the android market to download apps. Once i select an app to download and install, there is no notification on the top area where it should show it. I mean it takes almost 10-15 minutes for that notification to show up and the phone is very unresponsive during these times. Also the music player crashed a couple of times.
Has anyone come across this problem. Please let me know!
Well , that was the first part..
I want to know the experiences of people who have already rooted the phone and installed Froyo on it. What are the noticeaable changes? Is there any improvement in battery life?
I am pretty sure i wanna root this phone and get rid of the ATT apps etc etc.
BTW i have attached a wallpaper which i hope u guys will like
Cheers
carporsche said:
Hi Guys
Samsung Captivate is my very first Smartphone and i always knew i was gonna get an android phone.
I bought this phone yesterday and i absolutely love it.
But i am facing some problems
1. the phone is a bit laggy.
2. the battery life doesnt seem very great.
3. The third one is very weird. I went to the android market to download apps. Once i select an app to download and install, there is no notification on the top area where it should show it. I mean it takes almost 10-15 minutes for that notification to show up and the phone is very unresponsive during these times. Also the music player crashed a couple of times.
Has anyone come across this problem. Please let me know!
Well , that was the first part..
I want to know the experiences of people who have already rooted the phone and installed Froyo on it. What are the noticeaable changes? Is there any improvement in battery life?
I am pretty sure i wanna root this phone and get rid of the ATT apps etc etc.
BTW i have attached a wallpaper which i hope u guys will like
Cheers
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There is no Froyo for captivate , not yet anyway.
Root by itself doesn't fix anything , just lets you change system files and tinker around, more freedom so to speak.
Personally i am not having those problems, maybe you installed something that is eating up all resources, i have had similar problems on my Nexus one when i was downloading bunch of random programs and experimenting...
Try one of those app killers or restart phone maybe.
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There is no Froyo for captivate , not yet anyway.
Root by itself doesn't fix anything , just lets you change system files and tinker around, more freedom so to speak.
Personally i am not having those problems, maybe you installed something that is eating up all resources, i have had similar problems on my Nexus one when i was downloading bunch of random programs and experimenting...
Try one of those app killers or restart phone maybe.
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I factory reset my phone too , and i still have to install apps after resetting. Will keep you guys updated. BTW i thought rooting was to install froyo on the captivate.
I did not know tht it was just for the workarounds.
Hello guys
Please help me
I still am facing the same problem.
I have installed the AppBrain and fest web browser apps too, but somehow it still takes me a minimum of 10-15 mins before the download begins. And during that time the phone is very slow and unresponsive.
Is anyone else facing the same problem.
Please let me know!
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I've noticed something similar to what you are talking about, but defiantly not to such extend. Marketplace seems to be slow on my phone, at least comparing to my brother's Evo. Sometimes just after I start download of a new app, the phone becomes unresponsive for a bit, but it doesn't freeze or anything, just I start noticing some lag, that's all. To your other concerns:
1. Remove Live Wallpaper and as many widgets from your screen as you can. After I did that, I don't have any lag at all. You can also use manual task killer application to shut down all of the AT&T crap that runs on background (and prevent them to start up again).
2. Coming from feature phone, battery live will always look bad on the Smartphone. For me, battery lasts the whole day, from 9AM till 12PM even with a heavy use. For a Smartphone, that's good results.
Only times I have had lag is when something is installing. Also when my network connection is bad and something is trying to pull data.
But then again i just switched from a Kaiser running WinMo to this phone, so I may just be use to lag by now
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DO NOT RUN Advance Task Killer period. It does nothing but cause problems for the phone on eclair. Google recognized this and added a task managment solution built into froyo that works much better and won't cause random BS. If you think you know how to run ATK then you probably don't so read up on exactly what it does. Just remember people, when you boot up the phone, it starts most of these services because they are essential to the phone operating properly... imagine that. Don't try to be smarter than the phone. You are not going to save battery by removing processes out of memory. Period. Let them run. If you wanna save alot of battery, turn your display off automatic and run at a lower brightness level and turn your 3G radio off when not using data. Its that simple.
As for the speaker problem, remove the back and battery off the phoen and with your trigger or fore finger aggressively tap 1 time on the speaker grill and your sound should work when you boot the phone up. This action could be described as thumping the grill with your finger. I know this is a caveman way to repair a phone and is closely related to the beavis and butthead "kicking method" but it works almost every time.
Hope this thread helps. Your comments are very welcomed. Tell me what you are thinking....
Thanks for the info. I use ATK, but not in a harmful way (haven't experienced issues or random shutdowns). I have an extensive ignore list (of things that need to stay open) and security set to high, so system processes won't even show up, so it's impossible for me to kill them.
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BTW... Just to qualify myself a bit. I am samsung certified and I am running a Captivate on the Leaked froyo, rooted, sideloaded, overclocked to 1.2ghz, verizon market fingerprint build.prop mod, LCD density mod = 210, startup sound mod, battery percentage in task bar.
well thanks for the inside scoop. so we can expect a major OTA update around christmas for the US market?
i will be removing my ATK program today. I've also been using Captivate Keep Alive, which apparently opens up a ton of applications to keep your phone active and prevent it from entering that "comatose" state i think.
Thanks for the info!
Can you recommend another easy way, besides ATK, to shut down all of the unwanted AT&T programs that load during startup?
Great info, thanks!
Hope you are right, but software issue is hard to explain my case. The first one I got had shut down 4 times within a hour(worst case, usually 2 or 3 times a day), and the replacement been used about 2 months, never had an unexpected shut down. Both of them are unroot, no side-loading, and never use ATK.
danalo1979, since you have the inside scoop, will there be any GPS improvements, or is it as good as it will ever get?
Thanks for the info on the speaker problem. I just had my phone swapped out for this problem. I wish the person I called into at AT&T would have told me about the Cave Man method.
Thanks for the interesting information.
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well thanks for the inside scoop. so we can expect a major OTA update around christmas for the US market?
i will be removing my ATK program today. I've also been using Captivate Keep Alive, which apparently opens up a ton of applications to keep your phone active and prevent it from entering that "comatose" state i think.
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Thanks for the info!
Can you recommend another easy way, besides ATK, to shut down all of the unwanted AT&T programs that load during startup?
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Root your phone, get root explorer, go to system>app> go to desired apk file that you want to disable and rename to.bak extension and the os wont recognize the program. Its reversable just rename back to apk. Reboot phone. Don't do this on anything that is required for the phone to run.
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So the random shutdown is only an issue for eclair roms? Kinda explains why I haven't had any shutdowns since flashing cognition.
Also, I find it kinda funny that an AT&T employee has his captivate sideloaded (no offense! Just wondering why AT&T would even want to block sideloading apk's..)
And the ETA for the OTA sounds very disappointing.... late Dec~late Feb...
Just had a shutdown, running Cognition 2.3b4. Have had other shutdowns while on Cognition.
I've been on 2.2 of some sort since it leaked. Mine has shutdown as often as 3 times in a day. from 100 to 50% battery charge. There is no ryme or reason that I can identify except: While running system panel; When you look at the graphs for the time period that a shutdown occurs I notice that the battery charge graph will suddenly drop like a rock, like 50% of what's left and then when i turn it on it initially reports the lower amount but by the time it boots it shows a "correct" representation of the battery charge. THAT is consistent for every shutdown. Sudden drop (50%ish) and it reports low on startup and jumps just the same.
Random shutdowns on Froyo but not Eclair
Well I'm on my second captivate, first one random shutdowns from day one.
I have gone months with no shutdown while running stock Eclair. The day I flashed the leaked Froyo or Cog I recieve random shuts within a few hours. I tried flashing back to stock/master clear/ battery stats all with the same results
For me with stock Eclair no random shutdowns
with Leaked Froyo or Cog I get random shutdown within a few hours
Frustrating
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For me with stock Eclair no random shutdowns
with Leaked Froyo or Cog I get random shutdown within a few hours
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So are you able to restore to a point that does not produce shutdowns? If so, what method of restore?
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So are you able to restore to a point that does not produce shutdowns? If so, what method of restore?
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Flash Stock J6 from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989
after going back to stock 2.1 no shutdowns for over 2 weeks.
Last week flashed cog 2.3B6 couldn't take being on 2.1 anymore....shutdown within a few hours, installed CPU tuner and no shutdowns for 5 days so far running cog 2.3b6
If I had one shutdown running stock 2.1 I would return it
Dear OP, first off, I believe what who you say you are and what you wrote. Thank you for being open and honest. I am bone stock ATT 1010 v.004 phone build with a 09-17-2010 battery. When phone is completely stock it does not shutdown overnight. As soon as I add an APP, I get the overnight shutdown regardless of battery condition. I see that many apps say they need access the power keep alive function of the OS. Now I am not running homebrew apps or any mods as mentioned. I tried basics like Kindle or eBay or Chase Bank. I am 7 days into my phone and need it to stay on, so I can use the alarm etc. What do you recommend I do? Just keep returning it so I stay inside my 30-day window? Jump to a WM Samsung? iPhone4?
Can you also PUSH PUSH PUSH ATT to get this corrected. Samsung and ATT did not publicly acknowledge the problem on the three times I called, but only said if I returned the phone and got a new one, I would NOT have the problem again. Why is that? What do they know?
Thanks!
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What do they know?
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No offense to OP, but both Samsung and AT&T know how to lie quite well. Especially if it serves to screw you so they get more money.
fatbas202 said:
No offense to OP, but both Samsung and AT&T know how to lie quite well. Especially if it serves to screw you so they get more money.
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LOL.. I agree
im running stock rom with no mods yet (im usally a heavy softmodder but its not worth it yet)
and today epistle rom gripper and ninjump wanted to update so me not carrying updated them and for the rest of my day my phone has been rendered useless it wouldnt send text calls or go on the internet via wifi or 3g and it stopped getting a radio signal all together when i usally have full bars
so it turns out the new update to one of these programs nocked my whole phone unstable and i want to know how and why because as soon as i uninstalled them i was able to connect to the net instantly and i got my missed calls emails and text in as soon as they where gone so.
can someone shed some light on this?
have never heard of anything like that ;(
You might have to check with the respective developers of those apps. Maybe the apps you updated are not optimized for Gingerbread yet. I'm usually the first to criticize Gingerbread for its slew of glitches, but in this case, it sounds like the issue lies with the applications themselves; especially considering once you uninstall them, your phone is back to normal.
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You might have to check with the respective developers of those apps. Maybe the apps you updated are not optimized for Gingerbread yet. I'm usually the first to criticize Gingerbread for its slew of glitches, but in this case, it sounds like the issue lies with the applications themselves; especially considering once you uninstall them, your phone is back to normal.
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it wasn't a big loss to me because i wasnt really using the apps. but what should i email them saying hey im running 2.3 on nexus s and your app almost bricked my phone? i dont know how to get the logcat without rooting it.
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it wasn't a big loss to me because i wasnt really using the apps. but what should i email them saying hey im running 2.3 on nexus s and your app almost bricked my phone? i dont know how to get the logcat without rooting it.
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Yes, more or less. Just reach out to them (there should be an "Email the Developer" option in the Market place of every app to find their email) and tell them briefly but precisely the problems you're having. Mention you're running Gingerbread 2.3 (2.3.1 if you want to be specific) on a Nexus S. If they're good about replies, you should hear from them. Then see what happens from there.
Obviously when the screen is locked and you press the power button, you should see the lock screen right?
Well, this is not always the case for me. It's been many times that right after pressing down the power button, I can see my home screen for an instant and then the lock screen.
I'm a new android user and have had this problem with both LauncherPro and GoLauncher. This is a little bit annoying and I'm not sure if it is a common thing between android phones. Is there any way to fix that problem?
This happens to me too, a lot...
First thing I noticed about the phone. When I press unlock I see whatever is active for a split second, then the lock screen. Also, the clock seems to need refreshing when the screen is turned back on. First time seeing this on any android device.
This happens to me every single time I unlock my phone. Extremely annoying. Not a problem for me personally, but a huge issue for some people. Never had this problem on any of my other android phones.
I've only had that issue when I lock it while having a program running in the foreground, it will show that screen for a split second, then the lock pattern. When I'm on the homescreen and lock it, then push the power button, it shows the lock pattern the way it should.
Its a bug that has been identified. It will be fixed in gingerbread.
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Mine does it too, also the battery status when charging takes half a second to update when you wake the display.
I don't understand why it's any concern, it's not like someone could steal much info in that split second.
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Its a bug that has been identified. It will be fixed in gingerbread.
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Does this also happen with CM7? I haven't flashed it yet because I'm waiting for at least a RC. Seems like a weird bug to have, but if it's being fixed with the Gingerbread update then that can't be far away, either.
Spyvie said:
Mine does it too, also the battery status when charging takes half a second to update when you wake the display.
I don't understand why it's any concern, it's not like someone could steal much info in that split second.
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I guess that depends on what you do on your phone. For me it's just an annoyance.
It's these kinds of bugs, though, that stop corporate environments from adopting Android.
iamlilysdad said:
Does this also happen with CM7? I haven't flashed it yet because I'm waiting for at least a RC. Seems like a weird bug to have, but if it's being fixed with the Gingerbread update then that can't be far away, either.
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no didnt notice it in cm7. im using eagleblood and it barely happens. happens more on stock between the 3
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no didnt notice it in cm7. im using eagleblood and it barely happens. happens more on stock between the 3
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I'm also on EaglesBlood and it happens about 25% of the time. Even if it's just sitting on the home screen.
OMG so terrible!
Its a bug that has been identified. It will be fixed in gingerbread.
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FYI I still have this annoying issue after update to GB. Android is the most unpolished and unstable phone OS I've ever used...
not android
samansh said:
FYI I still have this annoying issue after update to GB. Android is the most unpolished and unstable phone OS I've ever used...
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although android may not be perfect it is a very powerful OS.
But don't compare what LG has done to it as the norm. LG is obviously very poor at programming android.
I dont think there is an OS that can be more modified than android. unfortunatley the phone manufacturers have decied they neeed to modify the os so they have something unique. and not a one of them has done wthis without ruining the OS in process. Moto blur is the worse. Lg's phones have the poorest excuse for the android os.
sense looks pretty but is a resource hog.
Havent had a samsung. but the ones i see they seem to have done the best job at their changes without lagging the os.
But stick android when given proper drivers and basebands run great.
Its normal. Happens all the time. But what sux is sometimes if you touch the screen before the lockscreen comes back it will bypass the lockscreen. Happened to me several times. That's my only beef makes lockscreen worthless and probably hackable I would assume . Otherwise iccl
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The only time I ever notice this is when you lock it and unlock within like three to five seconds. If you give the OS time to operate and lock it and unlock it like.. A minute later. I don't think it happens. At least not to me.
Edit: actually more like unlocking it ten seconds within locking it
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FYI I still have this annoying issue after update to GB. Android is the most unpolished and unstable phone OS I've ever used...
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Wow... seriously? Do we have to ***** and moan about EVERY LITTLE THING we see?
This "bug" has been around for a VERY long time - I've seen this happen off and on since Eclair on the N1, yet i've never seen a flame thread about it, nor have i ever thought: "OMG THIS IS SUCH A TERRIBLE PROBLEM!!"... Let alone attribute it to identifying Android as unpolished or unstable.
Seriously, what effect does this really have on you? It flashes so fast, that it's gone before you can move your finger from the power button to the unlock slider. It has no impact on the performance or functionality of the device whatsoever... It doesn't stop you from doing anything at all.
It has nothing to do with LG, the G2X, or any specific version of Android. It is because the lock screen (just like every other piece of software on the phone) is an app. When the screen is turned on, that app must be launched. The fact that you sometimes see the homescreen is an artifact of that app being launched when the screen is turned on. Would you rather that the lock screen run all the time in the background, just waiting for you to turn the screen on? My guess is you'd all ***** about the battery drain, or some other side effect if it were set up that way.
I'm really starting to think that 50+% of G2x owners are spoiled, and have a very over inflated sense of entitlement... And it's getting old. If you think it's so bad, please feel free to switch to an iPhone, Blackberry, or WinMo device.
SOLUTION
GUYS! Check out Xboarder's tweaked GB OTA in the dev section. All the stock goodness without this annoying bug. It's rooted too!
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GUYS! Check out Xboarder's tweaked GB OTA in the dev section. All the stock goodness without this annoying bug. It's rooted too!
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I'm running that ROM. Still happens occasionally.
p.s. FWIW this seems to be more common when using launchers other than the stock launcher. Which makes complete sense if you think about it.
Been contemplating for a while whether to post this as it will come off as rather trollish. Had my Infuse for over a year now. When I first got it I noticed there were some "issues". I remained patient hoping or thinking maybe when GB was released it would improve. It did not. Later I needed to root this phone and came here, found a ROM that had all the AT&T junk stripped out. Phone worked better, but still had these issues.
I got to the point that I knew I would never again purchase either a Samsung phone or Android. Did not know what the culprit was. Just recently I had the chance to really take a look at an HTC EVO, and I realized that Samsung is the problem, not Android.
Number one issue is that this phone is sluggish, and sometimes unresponsive. I will touch whatever button and get that vibrating acknowledgement, but nothing happens. I will be in the app menu and wish to exist and the home button just does not respond.
Yesterday I missed a call because the bloody phone just did not respond, even though I touched the answer button. Other times I just can not make a call. I dial number, and the phone just sits there doing nothing. Eventually I just pull out the battery and restart the phone to make a simple bloody call. I had a HTC WinMo phone for years and never once experienced this. No matter how farked the OS could get with some app or whatever, the phone function always worked.
I do not run a lot of apps, and recently have experienced these issues with almost literally no apps installed. I will then add something like GO taskmanger just to confirm that the unresponsive behavior is not due to some app taking up memory/CPU etc..
Sorry for the long post, but I am at my wits end with this bloody phone. The fact that I miss calls when the **** phone is right in my hand is unacceptable. So before placing this phone in a box filled with C4 and shooting this to the moon, hoping that maybe a solution is out there.
p.s. I have 2 Infuse in use, both have the same issue.
What firmware are you running?
Is it the same firmware on both phones?
What is the launcher?
Have you tried a different modem?
Are you using a battery saver like juice defender?
Are you using an ad blocker?
Are you using a specific kernel? Oc? Uv?
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Been contemplating for a while whether to post this as it will come off as rather trollish. Had my Infuse for over a year now. When I first got it I noticed there were some "issues". I remained patient hoping or thinking maybe when GB was released it would improve. It did not. Later I needed to root this phone and came here, found a ROM that had all the AT&T junk stripped out. Phone worked better, but still had these issues.
I got to the point that I knew I would never again purchase either a Samsung phone or Android. Did not know what the culprit was. Just recently I had the chance to really take a look at an HTC EVO, and I realized that Samsung is the problem, not Android.
Number one issue is that this phone is sluggish, and sometimes unresponsive. I will touch whatever button and get that vibrating acknowledgement, but nothing happens. I will be in the app menu and wish to exist and the home button just does not respond.
Yesterday I missed a call because the bloody phone just did not respond, even though I touched the answer button. Other times I just can not make a call. I dial number, and the phone just sits there doing nothing. Eventually I just pull out the battery and restart the phone to make a simple bloody call. I had a HTC WinMo phone for years and never once experienced this. No matter how farked the OS could get with some app or whatever, the phone function always worked.
I do not run a lot of apps, and recently have experienced these issues with almost literally no apps installed. I will then add something like GO taskmanger just to confirm that the unresponsive behavior is not due to some app taking up memory/CPU etc..
Sorry for the long post, but I am at my wits end with this bloody phone. The fact that I miss calls when the **** phone is right in my hand is unacceptable. So before placing this phone in a box filled with C4 and shooting this to the moon, hoping that maybe a solution is out there.
p.s. I have 2 Infuse in use, both have the same issue.
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You know, for the rather lengthy post, you really have not explained any detail about your issue.. You have a generic 'I have an issue, the Infuse sucks' post and its not going to help anyone resolve your issue. I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that you have 2 infuses having the SAME EXACT ISSUE. Yes, there will be times when you get a defective phone or it isnt working up to your standards, but to have 2 defective phones with the same defect? You need to play the lottery. Also, i suggest you send the phones back. It sounds like youve already made your mind up and have pretty much bashed the samsung infuse in that entire post. The same samsung infuse that myself, and plenty of other people live with day to day and have absolutely 0 complaints.
I will give you $20.00 a piece for them!!!!
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Been contemplating for a while whether to post this as it will come off as rather trollish. Had my Infuse for over a year now. When I first got it I noticed there were some "issues". I remained patient hoping or thinking maybe when GB was released it would improve. It did not. Later I needed to root this phone and came here, found a ROM that had all the AT&T junk stripped out. Phone worked better, but still had these issues.
I got to the point that I knew I would never again purchase either a Samsung phone or Android. Did not know what the culprit was. Just recently I had the chance to really take a look at an HTC EVO, and I realized that Samsung is the problem, not Android.
Number one issue is that this phone is sluggish, and sometimes unresponsive. I will touch whatever button and get that vibrating acknowledgement, but nothing happens. I will be in the app menu and wish to exist and the home button just does not respond.
Yesterday I missed a call because the bloody phone just did not respond, even though I touched the answer button. Other times I just can not make a call. I dial number, and the phone just sits there doing nothing. Eventually I just pull out the battery and restart the phone to make a simple bloody call. I had a HTC WinMo phone for years and never once experienced this. No matter how farked the OS could get with some app or whatever, the phone function always worked.
I do not run a lot of apps, and recently have experienced these issues with almost literally no apps installed. I will then add something like GO taskmanger just to confirm that the unresponsive behavior is not due to some app taking up memory/CPU etc..
Sorry for the long post, but I am at my wits end with this bloody phone. The fact that I miss calls when the **** phone is right in my hand is unacceptable. So before placing this phone in a box filled with C4 and shooting this to the moon, hoping that maybe a solution is out there.
p.s. I have 2 Infuse in use, both have the same issue.
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Simple . Hack it and put cm7 on it if you really need speed. Maybe its your screen protecter. Wipe the screen off. Cm9 can be sluggish, for speed go to miui on gingerbread or cm7
Id be willing to buy one of the infuses
Trust me...sounds like you got two defective units...which like Scott, I find hard to believe...but hey its possible-idk when you got hem.but if it hasn't been a year then put them back to stock with gtgs unbrick and file a warranty claim with Samsung...the infuse is a great phone and I never had the problem you described...I do have a question though...did you get them both at the same time? Cause I don't see why you would get a second if your first was having problems
Anyways...if you wanna sell one hmu...I may buy one depending on the price and if I can get the money (I think I already may have one lined up for $170 just need to get the money)
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Never really had any problems with samsungs beside the only issue I have ever had with ALL Samsung phones .. They have the worst RF signal/strength out of any company! I miss the days of my old Nokia RF ..
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Android Law #1: Costum ROMs are ALWAYS 10x better than stock.
Wow an i cant find one issue. Always great signal never inresponsive u sure u have an infuse
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Wow an i cant find one issue. Always great signal never inresponsive u sure u have an infuse
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Hehehe, what ROM u running?
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What firmware are you running?
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One is using the GB posted by jscott30 here, the other is the plain official Samsung GB via Kies. Mine is then UCLB3
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Is it the same firmware on both phones?
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No
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What is the launcher?
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Both stock
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Have you tried a different modem?
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No, thought never occurred to me that I should look at this as a solution.
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Are you using a battery saver like juice defender?
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Neither.
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Are you using an ad blocker?
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Nope
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Are you using a specific kernel? Oc? Uv?
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2.6.35.7-I997RUXK53-CL366622 for mine (GB rooted ROM) the other would be whatever came with the official Samsung GB release.
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Again this has been a recurring problem since purchase, and during this time I have had stock Froyo, rooted Froyo ROM, GB update, and for one now a the GB rooted ROM.
When the slow to unresponsiveness occurs there does not appear to be any specific cause. Prior to updating to the rooted GB I had used GO Taskmanager, and long before that some other app I long since forgot the name of. Point was that they had shown that neither CPU was excessive, or memory was used up. Both phones have data services disabled and are strictly Wifi only. There are no tasks or extra programs run in the background (though did install Connectbot today). I no longer use any Live wallpaper. After updating to the rooted GB I left the phone in that state (no software installed) for a week or so, and the problem still occured.
This occurs when calling or answering calls, but as previously posted occurs sometimes just opening the Applications menu as an example. So it is not a specific task or program that is slow or unresponsive. Earlier this evening I got a call, slide the bar across to answer and the screen just hung there for a few moments. This time it was at least not long enough that I missed the call. When the call was done I looked and there simply was nothing running on the phone. No apps, no web browser or mail, in fact I was not even connected to the wifi (I have data 3G/4G service disabled on the phone).
are you completely wiping before every flash youve done? have you tried a complete wipe and start from fresh?
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One is using the GB posted by jscott30 here, the other is the plain official Samsung GB via Kies. Mine is then UCLB3
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Both stock
No, thought never occurred to me that I should look at this as a solution.
Neither.
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2.6.35.7-I997RUXK53-CL366622 for mine (GB rooted ROM) the other would be whatever came with the official Samsung GB release.
Again this has been a recurring problem since purchase, and during this time I have had stock Froyo, rooted Froyo ROM, GB update, and for one now a the GB rooted ROM.
When the slow to unresponsiveness occurs there does not appear to be any specific cause. Prior to updating to the rooted GB I had used GO Taskmanager, and long before that some other app I long since forgot the name of. Point was that they had shown that neither CPU was excessive, or memory was used up. Both phones have data services disabled and are strictly Wifi only. There are no tasks or extra programs run in the background (though did install Connectbot today). I no longer use any Live wallpaper. After updating to the rooted GB I left the phone in that state (no software installed) for a week or so, and the problem still occured.
This occurs when calling or answering calls, but as previously posted occurs sometimes just opening the Applications menu as an example. So it is not a specific task or program that is slow or unresponsive. Earlier this evening I got a call, slide the bar across to answer and the screen just hung there for a few moments. This time it was at least not long enough that I missed the call. When the call was done I looked and there simply was nothing running on the phone. No apps, no web browser or mail, in fact I was not even connected to the wifi (I have data 3G/4G service disabled on the phone).
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Task manager is NOT the best app to tell you what is running in the background.
Maps and other location apps may not be listed but will consume resourse that can be the cause of your lag.
The fact that stopping wallpaper or live wall paper off alleviate the condition may suggest that the phone is running at max capacity. Steps to reduce the load improves it. Live wp, facebook, maps, stock email and other device manager from stock att was one of the first @#$% I took out on any rom I run.
Having a large amount of apps installed can also cause this lag. The OS may only be able to handle so many.
Have a poor signal at the time of the call may also be an issue, especially if both of your phones have this issue occasionally but not consistently.
Lock screen can also be a factor. Some sleep setting may also cause the phone to wake up poorly. I get around this by turning off my lock screen. On the call settings, you can also change the answering options so that it will override others and make it easy to answer.
On any firmware - stock or modded, after you have the phone running for an extended period of time without a reboot, you may start to see some lags. This may be across all devices. You may need to reboot it occasionally or boot into recovery and wipe the cache.
These issues may or not go away once you have a device with more power or resources..ex: dual or quad core, 1gb or 2gb ram etc..my guess is when a device has more power, programmers will come up with more resourse intensive apps that may hinder the phone as well.
Lastly, pay attention to your battery meter. As the power dips below 30%, there are steps taken by the OS to conserve the battery. This may give you lags as well..possibly one of the reason why it seems random also.
If you wanted to test out the lag issue due to background apps, go to settings/account and sync. turn off background data. You will retain the (radio) phone and text but there will be no email/facebook, weather, widgets/market/amazon etc updates unless you manually update them. If this runs smoothly but lags when you turn it back on, you can start the process of narrowing down your culprit.
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