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I just wanted to say, if your iPhone did it so well, then go back to your iPhone.
So many people that are coming from Apple don't understand the significance of having a phone that is this customizable and open source to boot. One problem with the device and they want to return it to the store.
There will be problems. If you decide to flash a custom ROM to your phone, there will probably be a few more. You surely remember flashing your iPhone with a new ROM for the first time...right?
Oh, that's right, you couldn't.
iPhone users are sure a different breed. So many wants, so little appreciation. (Also, I'm not calling out EVERY iPhone user on the planet, you all know who you are)
The Captivate is a really, really, nice phone. I don't look at the OS on the phone as something Samsung has anything to do with either, which a lot of people seem to do around these forums.
I purchased this phone, because I have wanted a phone that natively runs Android. I have had Android running on my old HTC kaiser(which is 1000% better than Windows Mobile and keeps the phone current), and my HTC Rhodium. The passion and dedication of Android developers and the willingness of Android adopters to help in any way they can is amazing.
Anyways, I will wait for new ROMs to be released for this phone, and I will be happy with the fact that there will be ROMs for this phone, that it has a stunning display, and that most if not all the shortcomings of the phone will be short lived by the persistently dedicated developers out there. The hardware is great, the OS is great, and will get better over time.
Now, AT&T where is my 4g...
Well said. Now the ROM waiting begins...
I agree 100%! I also had a mini rant regarding everyone looking at their antenna and TRYING to lose bars. Just use the damn phone. If you drop a call, that is a problem. Until then, enjoy it!
lol n1. i hope talking it out helped.
U MAD?
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I'm not mad, I just hate having to click through all these threads that people make asking the same questions over and over again and complaining about the same things.
well put !
This thread is great! This OS will evolve and it will change to what the users want and what doesn't get built in the OS most likely will be filled with an app or customized ROMs. I came from an iPhone 3G. I skipped the 3GS upgrade because I wasn't convinced Apple would make significant strides. With this upgrade, I could have went with iPhone 4. Its a nice looking device but I don't want to be shackled by their restrictions. Over a 2 year period they added what...a front facing camera, multitasking and folders??? GIVE ME A BREAK.
you said that perfectly and you know how some people switched from iphone 4 to this and they complain about no flash well all the other iphones didn't have flash either just to put it out there
I am going to wait and skip this phone. Within a few months they will come out with a 1024 x 760 or whatever the new Gingerbread resolution is.... Then I will sell my iPhone 4 and jump back into the fun world of flashing ROM's. That is the only thing I miss about all of my old windows Mobile device..... OH and I did miss the xda-developers for the few years I was away
@dewt
I completely agree with you.. all the points you have made.
If you wanna say "but my iPhone..." stick to your iPhone and let Steve jobs exploit you the way he wants..
Come on... its hard to think that so many ppl are caught under his spell..
I mean come on.. WAT can you do with an iphone??? .. except make and receive (... oh wait a moment...) .. calls???. there is nothing customizable in an iPhone. i got bored within 15 minutes using an iPhone.
I guess i lost all my respect for Apple products bcoz of Steve Jobs attitude(hold the phone different... other phones also face this issue... come on). i feel sorry for his engineers though.
I feel proud to have bought the fastest android device presently and i can live with some imperfections (in fact i love working my way around if i cant figure out things.) Dont you guys think that it makes you learn more stuff.
Google rocks!.. Android is the best eva!! i think with time things will only get better with Android..
This thread is entirely unnecessary and as bad as iPhone owners complaining about the Captivate. I for one have seen almost no threads where someone was saying their iPhone was better and the Captivate couldn't do something. Don't piss off the Captivate community, because a LARGE number of people in the Captivate community seem to be coming from iPhones because this is the first decent Android phone that AT&T has offered. So far I've heard almost nothing but mature conversations between iPhone and Captivate owners until this one. Just a few people coming from iPhones or thinking about coming from an iPhone and wanting to know what the Android OS is capable of and if it will do everything they want so they can decide if they want to swap.
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This thread is entirely unnecessary and as bad as iPhone owners complaining about the Captivate. I for one have seen almost no threads where someone was saying their iPhone was better and the Captivate couldn't do something. Don't piss off the Captivate community, because a LARGE number of people in the Captivate community seem to be coming from iPhones because this is the first decent Android phone that AT&T has offered. So far I've heard almost nothing but mature conversations between iPhone and Captivate owners until this one. Just a few people coming from iPhones or thinking about coming from an iPhone and wanting to know what the Android OS is capable of and if it will do everything they want so they can decide if they want to swap.
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what you say makes sense. But my opinion was tied to the comments i hear from my friends who use iPhones.. so nothing against ppl participating in this community.
definitely have to agree with dewt on this, why? I'm the most anti-iPhone person I know, but I came from WinMo (see sig) and you know what, I love this phone. Sure there are a ton of features missing right now, but that's RIGHT NOW. I know it's gonna get bigger and better, so why complain about things? You know what you should be doing instead of whinning about features that aren't on the phone.... going through posts, searching the internet, asking around and finding out HOW to get them on the phone like I have been! I loved being able to view my Excel docs, so I found a way to have them sync'd online directly from my desktop PC with Offisync, then view them with the Google Docs app.... wow, so difficult....
Bottom line, if you're gonna complain, first think about the fact that you may be complaining for no reason if there is an app, setting, or work-around available. Next, take the iPhone out of your @$$, sit down for once, and relax!!!
Just to clarify, this post does not only extend to people on this forum. All of the iPhone users that I know personally would not even entertain the idea of switching to another phone. Laugh at it really. Even when presented with facts.
I'm just sayin'.
I'll tell you what though. Being a user of both, the Android fanboys are MUCH worse than the iPhone fanboys now. In the past couple of months the Android fanboys have gotten incredibly obnoxious, and it's posts like this, in our own message board, where you still have to try and tell iPhone users how stupid they are that do it. Why don't you just grow up and let people choose what they like and be done. There's no reason that any iPhone user needs to entertain the idea of switching. If they are happy, then good for them, leave them alone. Trust me, I like the customizability of Android quite a bit, that's why I have an Android phone now that AT&T has one worth buying. A lot of people don't give a damn if you can root your phone and make it install apps that the iPhone doesn't have. These topics aren't necessary and only make it worse.
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I'll tell you what though. Being a user of both, the Android fanboys are MUCH worse than the iPhone fanboys now. In the past couple of months the Android fanboys have gotten incredibly obnoxious, and it's posts like this, in our own message board, where you still have to try and tell iPhone users how stupid they are that do it. Why don't you just grow up and let people choose what they like and be done. There's no reason that any iPhone user needs to entertain the idea of switching. If they are happy, then good for them, leave them alone. Trust me, I like the customizability of Android quite a bit, that's why I have an Android phone now that AT&T has one worth buying. A lot of people don't give a damn if you can root your phone and make it install apps that the iPhone doesn't have. These topics aren't necessary and only make it worse.
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You are missing the point ... i think both me and dewt are referring to iPhone users (friends) who try to argue tht iPhones are better than Android phones.
You havto agree tht Android is a competitor for iPhone and now when Android market is growing bigger, the iPhone users (3G , 3GS and 4) are always trying to condescend on the android users which should not be the case!
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You are missing the point ... i think both me and dewt are referring to iPhone users (friends) who try to argue tht iPhones are better than Android phones.
You havto agree tht Android is a competitor for iPhone and now when Android market is growing bigger, the iPhone users (3G , 3GS and 4) are always trying to condescend on the android users which should not be the case!
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I think you are actually missing the point. He was saying that while there have been conversations pointing out improvements that can be made based on iPhone user experience (GPS anyone?), no one here is arguing the iPhone is superior. Posts like dewts just make you look as rabid, ignorant, and uncompromising as the iPhone users you hate.
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I think you are actually missing the point. He was saying that while there have been conversations pointing out improvements that can be made based on iPhone user experience (GPS anyone?), no one here is arguing the iPhone is superior. Posts like dewts just make you look as rabid, ignorant, and uncompromising as the iPhone users you hate.
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Ok! maybe things are going off topic.. Lets stick to getting the best of our android devices!!
lets forget bout iPhones!!
Am surely Captivate(d) by my new Android device
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This thread is entirely unnecessary and as bad as iPhone owners complaining about the Captivate.
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I have seen a few users complain very harshly and unfairly compare this phone and the captivate. They like the iPhone so much they can't even see the good side of android.
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.........Now that I have a blackberry torch, sorry guys I couldn't wait any longer for the fix traded my captivate for a 3 day old torch
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sorry guys I couldn't wait any longer for the fix... traded my captivate for a 3 day old torch
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No need to apologize to us...we are sorry for you! You fixed GPS and degraded every other aspect of the phone. Good luck with that!
But hey...thanks for creating another completely useless GPS thread. As if the rest of us didn't know other phones GPS work better...
Are you sure you didn't buy a time machine?
Because you just traveled back to 2008.
Also better email better text better facebook better sound better camera (not video) flash, pyshical qwert , better reception , better 3g radio no dropped calls everything other then that is a down grade to the captivate
2005 called. It wants your blackberry back.
so what was the point of this post in a captivate forum?
also i would have to agree with others on the downgrade. Unless something drastically changes, you've taken two steps back in terms of progression
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HEY! I MADE THE BLACKBERRIES STUCK IN THE PAST JOKE ALREADY!
the torch is definitely not an upgrade over the captivate (i've had one). But good luck with it!
We see this a lot on these forums when someone "gives up" an a device to purchase a replacement, and the psychology is simple: If this person traded in their captivate for a different phone and was truly 100% happy with that choice in every way, that person would happily move on and never think about their old Captivate and certainly not visit and post in Captivate forums.
However, when someone feels the need to visit the forums of their old device and argue their case about why their new one is better, then that person is simply trying to talk themselves into believing it and seeking validation.
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Also better email better text better facebook better sound better camera (not video) flash, pyshical qwert , better reception , better 3g radio no dropped calls everything other then that is a down grade to the captivate
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And larger screen, Right??
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We see this a lot on these forums when someone "gives up" an a device to purchase a replacement, and the psychology is simple: If this person traded in their captivate for a different phone and was truly 100% happy with that choice in every way, that person would happily move on and never think about their old Captivate and certainly not visit and post in Captivate forums.
However, when someone feels the need to visit the forums of their old device and argue their case about why their new one is better, then that person is simply trying to talk themselves into believing it and seeking validation.
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that isn't necessarily true... I still visit my old tilt 2 forums and if the situation were to arise, i would recommend the captivate to everyone.
What I say is... to each their own. If you like having the torch then so be it. Each end user has a different expectation from their device. Personally, the blackberry OS is too stuffy for me.. but if you really enjoy it over the captivate then enjoy! there are plenty of crackberry forums out there who will let you "mod" your device--though i doubt it'll have as many customization abilities.
Farewell.
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Are you sure you didn't buy a time machine?
Because you just traveled back to 2008.
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If the Nexus S is basically a Galaxy S in Gingerbread disguise, you'd think Samsung would be bursting at the seams to offer a software upgrade for all the phones it's already sold from that family. Okay, you really wouldn't, but you'd hope that would be the case, right? Well, Pocket-lint prodded Samsung on just that point and managed to finagle the following response from a local UK contact presumably speaking on behalf of the mothership:
"In case a new version of Android operating system is publicly announced and released, Samsung will review the possibility of implementation of such new version to the existing Samsung products with Android operating system ("Update").
Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation, the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products, the system requirements, the structural limitations, and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors".
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More here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/09/samsung-undecided-about-gingerbread-on-galaxy-s-google-says-har/
Nope, the Galaxy S will be getting gingerbread:
http://twitter.com/Samsung_Mobiles/status/12437775529803776
A reporter already touched bases with Samsung, Samsung has claimed to be working on Gingerbread way before Motorola and HTC supposedly because they were experimenting with it on the tablets.
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Nope, the Galaxy S will be getting gingerbread:
http://twitter.com/Samsung_Mobiles/status/12437775529803776
A reporter already touched bases with Samsung, Samsung has claimed to be working on Gingerbread way before Motorola and HTC supposedly because they were experimenting with it on the tablets.
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Both of these pieces of information have been discussed in the Gingerbread thread.
And saying "Nope" doesn't change the fact that the Engadget article is pointing out the same inconsistencies - Samsung UK says "unknown at this time" and as your tweet shows; Samsung India says "yes" - so I think we can agree that the answer is undecided.
No idea why a new thread was started.
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Both of these pieces of information have been discussed in the Gingerbread thread.
And saying "Nope" doesn't change the fact that the Engadget article is pointing out the same inconsistencies - Samsung UK says "unknown at this time" and as your tweet shows; Samsung India says "yes" - so I think we can agree that the answer is undecided.
No idea why a new thread was started.
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"UK contact presumably speaking on behalf of the mothership:"
Who is this contact and presume is better way of saying assume.
I truly hope that India is right.
Considering most employee's Twitter use about work is governed by non-disclosure agreements, for an Indian employee to Tweet something like that he is either corect and doing it with company permission, or soon to be fired, correct or not.
A big question is where do Samsung software engineers work?
Maybe they work in India or Korea, who knows. But I think the UK wouldn't have as much knowledge as either of them.
We'll just have to wait and see.
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No idea why a new thread was started.
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You really don't have an idea? It should be quite obvious...I did it to annoy you.
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You really don't have an idea? It should be quite obvious...I did it to annoy you.
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That and because you probably don't know to search first... standard rookie mistake. But I forgive you.
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That and because you probably don't know to search first... standard rookie mistake. But I forgive you.
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Whew! That was a close one, I wasn't sure if you were going to forgive me or not. Now I can rest easy tonight...I'll post a new thread to let you know.
I apologize for not having superior forum searching skills. I'm so glad that you found the time in your busy day to point out that the link to the article had already been posted in the 8 page long Gingerbread thread, while at the same time offering your analysis of the situation and reaching the conclusion that nothing has been decided. You are truly a shining beacon in the pantheon of multi-tasking.
Really dude, stop being so anal. Everyone on this forum is so pissy. I've been on physics forums that are more light-hearted.
Bravo to the UK rep for giving a nice neutral PC response. He should get a job in politics.
Seriously, what is the rep supposed to say?
"Yes, without question."
"NO, never going to happen. Buy new Samsung products."
Do you think samsung wants to make more money or keep current customers happy?
Because I think they are more after money.
So they in my conclusion they would not make gingerbread FW for SGS.
they would make a whole lot to give us froyo and make the "next gen" phone with Gingerbread and have that updated to whatever is going to be next....h...h...
offtopic... what dessert starts with a h?
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Do you think samsung wants to make more money or keep current customers happy?
Because I think they are more after money.
So they in my conclusion they would not make gingerbread FW for SGS.
they would make a whole lot to give us froyo and make the "next gen" phone with Gingerbread and have that updated to whatever is going to be next....h...h...
offtopic... what dessert starts with a h?
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Well making money and keeping your customers go hand in hand.
Honeycomb
Sent from my Axura 2.1 phone with Gingerbread keyboard.
ah... is that the announced name honeycomb???
I didnt look it up haha >_<
anyways technology is changing so fast they cant keep one item for more than 2 years now without it being obselete now.
We have a SGS captivate because we wanted the best...
but for how long?
I am pretty sure by next summer its going to be mid range by than.
So like half the people with a captivate will get the "newest bestest" phone by then because thats what we want. the best tech for that time... well those with money atleast haha
so my point is why waste time on a mid range phone when they can concentrate on a better phone by the time they can put gingerbread into SGS variations.
Also with all the carriers being stingy with froyo... =/
I can only see 1 FW update for new phones lately unless its Dev phones.
Reason why iphone are good is because they can update their fw because all their phones are similar and is on one carrier till they go verizon.
This is just my opinion though
only thing we can do is just wait and see. ^^
have a good day and really I do hope for Gingy for our phones.
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so my point is why waste time on a mid range phone when they can concentrate on a better phone by the time they can put gingerbread into SGS variations.
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Because if you don't treat current customers well it makes it harder to get new customers.
if most customers are like me i had the i8910 hd and changed to captivate to see if they might have better support which is a whole lot better than the i8910.
but really... with tech moving so fast support will only last 2 years the most imho
look at nokia and sony...
they are like that also ^^ not only with phones but with other things.
but everyone has their opinion and story
I guess this is getting more and more off topic
im sorry haha
File this under, I'll believe it when I see it.
Samjunk still hasnt released Froyo for the Captivate yet and people are worried about Gingerbread?
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File this under, I'll believe it when I see it.
Samjunk still hasnt released Froyo for the Captivate yet and people are worried about Gingerbread?
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Is it Samsung that hasn't release Froyo or the carriers who haven't released it?
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File this under, I'll believe it when I see it.
Samjunk still hasnt released Froyo for the Captivate yet and people are worried about Gingerbread?
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Blame att not Samsung.
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Ok.. is SG going to give us Gingerbread.. They say they will, but by then we are going to be PAST Honeycomb, they are slow, lazy and do not care. Honestly, they rather sell a new phone with the new OS then just do a free update.
lets be honest, they will give it to us, but by then it will be too late
NOW, lets think about this tho. the Nexus S is a Galaxy S with a twist right. So lets wait till some of the Chefs in the Rom dept give us a ROM unlike anything in efficency that SG will give us.
I mean, do you think the update to Froyo is going to be as good as the stuff that is out already? heck we even have some stable OV-UV HSPA roms out there, stable and all.
I'v had HTC, Samsung, and millions of other phones, i never rely on the manufacture. Heck even the iPhone had such better stuff when it was jailbroken.
just say'n. the newest from the manufactures, will be nothing but just obsolete crap.
So I know alot of people have started to think about their next phone after their cappys. I am going to guess most people are thinking about the same candidates I am. I"m lookin at the HTC Inspire, Moto Atrix, and Samsung Infuse.
The Atrix really seems to be the king of them in most specs, i just wish it had a bigger screen than 4". Plus I am still a lil confused about the whole dock thing with it and something costing 500 bucks and ATT "making" me pay for tethering also. I def dont want any of that. I dont mind paying a lil extra for 4G, thats if I actually get 4G speeds. I like the Infuse the best out of the 3 with the screen size and looks, but is it going to be the same regurgitated Samsung problems that most of us are having with our Cappys? I can handle a lil lag, but the poor GPS performance is a deal breaker.
So I am wondering what others are going to go to and why? Chime on in.
I think I'm going to be jumping ship and leaving AT&T entirely if I can talk my wife into it. I'm mostly waiting on MWC to end so I can see what other new phones will be released and on what carrier.
well, you know how the waiting game is with phones, if you wait, you'll be waiting forever. there is always something coming down the pipe.
I'm stuck with AT&T on two of my lines until mid 2012 anyway, so with the Death Star I have to stay. I'm leaning towards the Atrix, but am waiting for MWC as well. Even if the phone does have a locked boot loader, XDA will take care of that with a quickness... ;-)
despite some of its flaws i still can't believe how eager some people are to defect from the best overall phone out there especially when paired with the right rom.
Why did you have to start a new thread on this? There is one titled latest from att on the first page. Did you not see not one? please look around or search before starting a new thread. There are many threads already open on this topic.
I'm stuck with AT&T unless I want to carry multiple phones. They are the only ones that work in Europe. I looked at the all band Nokia but they are simply too expensive.
I want to stick with an Android phone for the simple reason that the community will improve on the standard issue crap. Will the boot loader on the Atrix be locked so as to prevent flashing custom stuff?
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Why did you have to start a new thread on this? There is one titled latest from att on the first page. Did you not see not one? please look around or search before starting a new thread. There are many threads already open on this topic.
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none that had a survey attached to it to see a general consensus. now quit being a cry baby. i mean seriously, some of you ppl in here whine more than a lil school girl. if you dont like the thread, dont vote, shut up and move on.
I am trying to talk the wife into dumping the iPhone 3GS for the HTC Inspire 4G. She really like Google navigation and I think the $99 price may be a deal maker.
I am still in the 90 window on my refurbed Captivate, if I like the Inspire, I may start whining to see if I can get it as a replacement.
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I am trying to talk the wife into dumping the iPhone 3GS for the HTC Inspire 4G. She really like Google navigation and I think the $99 price may be a deal maker.
I am still in the 90 window on my refurbed Captivate, if I like the Inspire, I may start whining to see if I can get it as a replacement.
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yeah, that price is pretty shocking. nice attention getter
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Why did you have to start a new thread on this? There is one titled latest from att on the first page. Did you not see not one? please look around or search before starting a new thread. There are many threads already open on this topic.
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Boborone for mod?!?
Thread closed, there are other threads with the same topic.
You wonder why I post this, I get it. Personal experience warrants that I tell you about this Verizon tab.
Locked bootloader
No netflix
No skype for front camera
And this is my basis to start this frustration rant. Either Samsung or the android os in general is not popular enough to push these technologies to be developed for the latest and greatest droid device and honeycomb.
Please understand I love droid and am anti ipad/apple. But the fact is I bought an ipad2 last night and I am doing all the things I can't on the Samsung.
Don't tell me to sideload anything. It simply does not work on the Verizon model. I want to root but no support has been lended to me and many others on this and many other droid sites. Including the Samsung forum site.
If there appears to be a way to root, then no one has a reversing flash for it.
In general, new technology or not, the apps should be there. When paying the equivalent price of an ipad the android tab should blow the freaking doors off apple. I've got em both right here and the ipad2 just kicked the bajesus out of this 10.1
Proprietary skiz and all for nothing more than me being able to log in get apps and have them work without bootlegging, voiding warranties and sideload this and that.
now before you go calling me a troll or a hater...
I have a
Dx2 and so does my wife
I hada first gen droid and ran chevy ss
Xoom
Samsung galxy 10.1
And now because droid is not "mainstream" enough a damn apple ipad2 in my house. What the hello, droid os is now officially pissing me off. I know that it is not the os fault but, really I disagree. If droid was selling tabs at half the rate of apples ipad then this freaking rant would never have been written and my azz would never considered looking at a freaking lemming apple ipad anything.
Maybe somebody here knows somebody that will forward this along because this kind lf crap right here. Droid developers not taking availability of apps seriously is what killed IBM in the 80's by thinking home pcs in every house was a farce.
droid development needs to lobby payoff incentavize whatever the hello they need to do to get service providers to write for droid if they want to command a price equal or greater than apple.
please do whatever you do agree or disagree but do not attack me personally or belittle my intelligence. I am neither a kid or dummy. I like technology but I do not like beating my head against the wall trying hours in vain to get something to work just to find out it won't.
I could go on but Why?
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It doesn't have locked bootloader... does it
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to the OP.....you do understand the difference between "Droid" and Android, right? "Droid" is just Verizon's marketing campaign for SPECIFIC android devices (Motorola Droid, HTC Droid Incredible, Samsung Droid Charge). MOD EDIT: REMOVED OFFENSIVE WORDS. you purchased a carrier specific tablet, not a WiFi model. therefore, development for said device will only move forward considering more people decide to buy it. theres plenty of development for the WiFi version of the GT10.1.
as for locked bootloaders.......actually, Samsung doesn't ever lock bootloaders, from what i understand. HTC has been known to, and Motorola is notorious at it. Samsung and i believe LG have the easiest exploits when it comes to rooting.
BTW, the Honeycomb source code hasn't been released for any device, probably not until ICS drops.
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to the OP.....you do understand the difference between "Droid" and Android, right? "Droid" is just Verizon's marketing campaign for SPECIFIC android devices (Motorola Droid, HTC Droid Incredible, Samsung Droid Charge). so to say "droid development" just makes you sound ignorant. you purchased a carrier specific tablet, not a WiFi model. therefore, development for said device will only move forward considering more people decide to buy it. theres plenty of development for the WiFi version of the GT10.1.
as for locked bootloaders.......actually, Samsung doesn't ever lock bootloaders, from what i understand. HTC has been known to, and Motorola is notorious at it. Samsung and i believe LG have the easiest exploits when it comes to rooting.
BTW, the Honeycomb source code hasn't been released for any device, probably not until ICS drops.
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Really? Are you serious? Droid, Android,,,,, again Really? Yes I do understand that a droid is a phone and android is an operating system. Did you not see the reference to honeycomb etc..? Forgive me I don't mean to be disrespectful......this is just not the kind of response I'm looking for.
I'm sorry if my abbreviations confused you.
For locked bootloader again not an idiot the bootloader is locked. is that really a surprise dealing with big red. Samsung is doing what they are told I guess. Not only is the bootloader locked don't flash this puppy with odin or you will be unable to wipe or return to virgin setup.
PERIOD! at least with the current means and methods on the net.
Samsung wifi models some were shipped with unlocked bootloaders but not Verizon models. Again! I am only referencing the 4g model so any other make model manufacturer is completely irrelevant.
I have had 3 of these in my hands they are all on lockdown. They also are telling people 4g must be activated to get owner registration......the first one I returned doa to the selling dealer but big red corporate would not exchange it because I didn't HVE 4g turned on so in their system I didn't even show owning the product.
I could go on and on.
point is everything in the original post in 100% true and accurate and knowledge from my personal hands on experience.
I am hoping that someone takes it personally and gets some interest in mastering this device. I pretty much root all my devices but after bringing my first one Bck to lofe 4 times and never getting superuser I am in a holding position until full accurate knowledgable instructions on how to unlock bootloader, backup, root, unroot. I am waiting.
Truth again, the post was not about rooting but the fact that the android development team had better start using some power in their speech to people like skype, netflix, and any other major player on behalf of us the people that buy android devices or we are and are gonna continue to be pissed if they don't get it and that means we will buy other peoples stuff ya know,,,the whole supply demand free market concept?...
Especially when I go pay the same price for an ipad2 and all the skizz I want is a click away for free and with no effort or time wasted in a forum on why my stuff doesnt offer main stream popular sh#%!
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to the OP.....you do understand the difference between "Droid" and Android, right? "Droid" is just Verizon's marketing campaign for SPECIFIC android devices (Motorola Droid, HTC Droid Incredible, Samsung Droid Charge). . you purchased a carrier specific tablet, not a WiFi model. therefore, development for said device will only move forward considering more people decide to buy it. theres plenty of development for the WiFi version of the GT10.1.
as for locked bootloaders.......actually, Samsung doesn't ever lock bootloaders, from what i understand. HTC has been known to, and Motorola is notorious at it. Samsung and i believe LG have the easiest exploits when it comes to rooting.
BTW, the Honeycomb source code hasn't been released for any device, probably not until ICS drops.
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One last thing. To pick up on one keyword "droid development" while overlooking the entire context of the post after in that same post disclaiming that I did not want anyone to attack or belittle me and you then state that I appear IGNORANT? Well maybe it will to some, but, what you just did makes you appear far worse. Imho...
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marksnet said:
You wonder why I post this, I get it. Personal experience warrants that I tell you about this Verizon tab.
Locked bootloader
No netflix
No skype for front camera
And this is my basis to start this frustration rant. Either Samsung or the android os in general is not popular enough to push these technologies to be developed for the latest and greatest *droid* device and honeycomb.
Please understand I love *droid* and am anti ipad/apple. But the fact is I bought an ipad2 last night and I am doing all the things I can't on the Samsung.
Don't tell me to sideload anything. It simply does not work on the Verizon model. I want to root but no support has been lended to me and many others on this and many other *droid* sites. Including the Samsung forum site.
If there appears to be a way to root, then no one has a reversing flash for it.
In general, new technology or not, the apps should be there. When paying the equivalent price of an ipad the android tab should blow the freaking doors off apple. I've got em both right here and the ipad2 just kicked the bajesus out of this 10.1
Proprietary skiz and all for nothing more than me being able to log in get apps and have them work without bootlegging, voiding warranties and sideload this and that.
now before you go calling me a troll or a hater...
I have a
Dx2 and so does my wife
I hada first gen *droid* and ran chevy ss
Xoom
Samsung galxy 10.1
And now because *droid* is not "mainstream" enough a damn apple ipad2 in my house. What the hello, *droid* os is now officially pissing me off. I know that it is not the os fault but, really I disagree. If *droid* was selling tabs at half the rate of apples ipad then this freaking rant would never have been written and my azz would never considered looking at a freaking lemming apple ipad anything.
Maybe somebody here knows somebody that will forward this along because this kind lf crap right here. *Droid* developers not taking availability of apps seriously is what killed IBM in the 80's by thinking home pcs in every house was a farce.
*droid* development needs to lobby payoff incentavize whatever the hello they need to do to get service providers to write for *droid* if they want to command a price equal or greater than apple.
please do whatever you do agree or disagree but do not attack me personally or belittle my intelligence. I am neither a kid or dummy. I like technology but I do not like beating my head against the wall trying hours in vain to get something to work just to find out it won't.
I could go on but Why?
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look above....i didnt just pick out ONE time you used "droid" to describe something that runs android. so yeah....you sound REALLY ignorant. You literally used "Droid" 10 times
and regarding bootloaders:
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?2511-ROOT-RECOVERY-Galaxy-Tab-10.1-LTE&
all i had to do was google "galaxy tab 10.1 LTE Recovery"....do you know how to google something??
so yeah.......
I'm surprised that you have been allowed to start a thread which expresses your own personal opinion. I've had a thread removed to the Off-Topic Forum because I did that.
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I'm surprised that you have been allowed to start a thread which expresses your own personal opinion. I've had a thread removed to the Off-Topic Forum because I did that.
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They may yet censor me but, the title says opinion the body of the post is all fact. We shall see.
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thachosenone said:
look above....i didnt just pick out ONE time you used "droid" to describe something that runs android. so yeah....you sound REALLY ignorant. You literally used "Droid" 10 times
and regarding bootloaders:
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?2511-ROOT-RECOVERY-Galaxy-Tab-10.1-LTE&
all i had to do was google "galaxy tab 10.1 LTE Recovery"....do you know how to google something??
so yeah.....
I've seen the post and it works but it doesn't return the device back to stock. also again you fail to see where rooting was not the point of the above post. It was one point out of many.
So I was in a hurry and didn't put an in front of droid each time. I did however say
Droid device
Droid os
Etc..
To a common sense individual they got it.
To someone interested in ignoring the subject, offering no solution, as I am guessing you are not a developer, and being negative you Win!
I'm ignorant yea you win now please go away.
So glad we got that straight.
Bye bye now.
Mark
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But if you have a custom recovery, couldn't you just make a cwm backup when you first get it? Then that would return it to stock when you restore that backup.
They don't drop source code for honeycomb. That's just how they do it.
you further perpetuate the misconception that "Droids" are anything with Android on it. It's bad enough when people who know nothing of rooting and such call it "Droid". But you're on xda.
And I've contributed to the community a lot more then you have man. You've only offered this rant.
And every post, on here, I've still offered some sort of answer or advice.
Don't be one if those people that come on here to demand people to develop for the device you bought. Be happy with what is offered and have patience. All you accomplished on your OP is sounding like a jackass with buyers remorse.
And GTFO with your iPad.
For some reason no you cannot flash cwm. Theres a ton of people posting on this and why it sends the tab into a bootloop. There are also multiple post on this forum and others where people are asking for the stock image due to this.
There is also a post where rooting instructions are clear and precise. One problem. The links are broken and no longer valid.
I do not further perpetuate anything. You may perceive it that way because you have the inability to look at a forest instead of a frikken tree.
I have stated enough times that I do understand that Android is an O.s. and that "droid" is a phone device produced by motorola, although I never mentioned moto.
Geez.. Also I stated in my OP that I bought the ipad2 for comparison. I do not want the ipad2 as I have invested way too much in market apps and gmail to start the wallet all over with apple apps. However, now that I have an ipad2, I dont hate it. It's a good machine. If that makes me bad then ok, whatever.
My first post was done largely abbreviated and maybe i didnt convey my points or angle well enough. I'll concede that but, I was typing on my samsung tablet and was just trying to get some action on the topic. The last thing I wanted was for someone to make it their mission to point out what was wrong line by line but, hey whatever.
Simply put just in case my original post was written ineffectively on my tablet. I am on my desktop now and the keyboard is much more effective than trying to type a letter on the tablet, let me reexplain my op.
Simply put,
I prefer the Android O.s.
I like the samsung tablet.
The memory, processor, flash, a million things I see potential in.
However, when I analyze something I also analyze as if or from a consumer standpoint and maybe not so much a dev. standpoint.
By this alone I think that the people/powers that be need to wake up and push the big boys like skype, netflix, etc... to make apps that will be compatible with the latest and greatest release of not only the O.s. but the hardware devices that come from HTC, Moto, Samsung, lg, etc....
In order to get mass appeal from consumers ****e is gonna have to work or people will opt for what does work.
Right now the samsung 10.1 wifi's only work netflix on some platforms not all.
Right now the samsung 10.1 wifis and lte models will not do skype with the front cam.. so no video on either side.
ALSO TRUE FOR XOOM
These are just 2 apps but, they are "THE" two apps that alot of people converting to tabs are wanting.
Contrary to popular belief most people buy tabs to eff off with. They are not hot like a laptop, they surf relatively well, but everyday consumers want to skype, netflix, check email, all of it.
They do not want to be in front of a desktop with their tablet hooked up via usb hacking and sacking the images, custom roms, etc... That is a few of which I am one of but, even I grow tired and frustrated when I brick ****e and screw it up but, really, just to get netflix loaded. No way man, I want to click and install enter my username and watch my son watch his movies.
Yeah its fun getting them working again but, with this thing.......It's all for nothing. I still dont have the full potential of this device because it simply will not do it.
Apple ipad2 does both of these out of the box with no trickery. Just search and download.
That may not be a problem for you as a senior member and expert at going thru the work of sideloading apps etc...... but, for mom at the grocery store. She's gonna pick what works with the click of a button.
Android devices and The Android O.s. developers are going to have to be compelled to make the ****e work on their devices if they want to take the sales to the next level. This is not my opinion at all. This is just fact. You can have a great hardware device and a sporty o.s. but, if there is no software available for it, or apps in this case then you have nothing and you certainly dont have buyers for it.
Ipad sales compared to android type tab devices are not even in the same universe. Ipad sales are smashing Android based tabs. Not because they have been out longer either.
Why is that? Well people are sheep for one! I get it but, how does Android smash Apple? Well they do it by #1 advertising, #2 being better (measurably), (which I believe they already are) , but they also have to, have to, have to, offer at least what the ipad will do and more.
Come on man, I'm not asking for the world here.
To be better when you are the underdog you have to be twice as good. NOt from a hardware standpoint but, from all of it. Cosmetics, function, hardware,cost,more apps, better graphics. etc...
Android has done most of this but, not all of it. The apps lacking in the market have got to catch up immediately or people will continue doing what they have been doing. Buying ipads
Again, this is what the post was about. You just think that Android and hardware is good now. Get them (the Android stiffs) the revenue stream that Apple has and then we will "really" see some cool stuff.
this may be the one negative about open source. If the people making the apps and the people making the devices, and the people making the upgrades to the O.s. are not all working together then Android will not be "THE" player, they will just be "A" player in the sea of other players.
I am also not demanding anyone develop for my specific tablet. I really dont care if they do or not. But, if that is the attitude of a tablet that is supposed to be "THE" tablet for the Android flagship right now, that's a bad attitude or stance for them to take when basic apps are not even offered or if they do they will not work. Not exactly how your gonna get susie away from the apple store. Again, this is simply about marketing, and retail appeal.
Develop, dont develop, the market wins only players lose.
On a personal note.
By the way, I have not one time condemned or attacked you. You have insisted on calling me names and being sarcastic to me each time you post. Please let me say that it was not my intent to offend you. This post was not about you or the fact that you help people or dont help people on this site.
I would like you to stop calling me ignorant and telling me to GTFO and such about an ipad, after I said that I was pro android.
I will say one thing about the comparison of the 2.
Apple kicks the samsung on two major things:
Keyboard does not lag on apple. I am always backspacing corrections on the samsung.
Apple has apps, our android market does not.
Now I'll compare the Xoom and The Samsung 10.1
I like the xoom better. At least netflix works on it.
However, skype does not so Apple still wins in flexibility of apps.
I like the hardware and acceleration of the samsung 10.1 over all of them.
I am not sure what gives on the keyboard lag? Sucks.
This is exactly why I placed in my original post that I was not hating on Android and I did not want personal attacks.
I am asking you to please stop. I am not interested in name calling.
Continue if you must but, I will not engage in calling you names.
At all
Please keep discussion on topic and do not use offensive words
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Its Android not Droid dammit!
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Well put Android os is really getting old with exclusive apps for certain devices or with verizon with there own app store. Don't they know they would make more Money releasing to everyone duh. If a old ass iphone 4g can play high end games why not my duel core sensation ? Or in your case the tablet.
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Well put Android os is really getting old with exclusive apps for certain devices or with verizon with there own app store. Don't they know they would make more Money releasing to everyone duh. If a old ass iphone 4g can play high end games why not my duel core sensation ? Or in your case the tablet.
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Finally someone that looks past jargon and looks at subject matter!!!!! Another common sense human on here! What strange feeling this is,,,,
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Man... Everything in here by the OP is nonsensical and tough to read.
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Man... Everything in here by the OP is nonsensical and tough to read.
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Update!
Netflix is not in the market but there is an apk for it now and it works!
Skype folks say they are working on a solutionno time commitment though.
Clockwork and roms still limited but will come in time hopefully.
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marksnet said:
You wonder why I post this, I get it. Personal experience warrants that I tell you about this Verizon tab.
Locked bootloader
No netflix
No skype for front camera
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In reply to all three: BULL****! I have had a Verizon Galaxy Tab 10.1 for many months and:
1. The bootloader is not and was not ever locked
2. Netflix patch was trivial to install (and it runs great)
3. Skype does support the front camera (as of its most recent release a couple months ago)
Other than that, rooting the device was just as simple as installing Netflix.