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SatNav - TomTom or Garmin XT?

Hi,
I was thinking of installing a satnav app onto my SPV E650, and just wondering what will be best. How do they both compare in performance, usability etc.
Also, having read through some of the posts already, for TomTom, I will have to install fakecursor? Can anyone explain what it does and why it is needed, and does it make much of a difference to the phone?
Will I need fakecursor on Garmin XT aswell, considering that they make a version specifically for smartphones. I've used TomTom before which i found to be great, but never Garmin, how do they compare, which one would you guys recommend?
Thanks!

a stupid question from a newbie: does garmin xt work with EVERY gps? I have a vox (no build-in gps) and i am planning to buy a bluetooth gps...

For garmin you don't need fakecursor it works great on non-touch screen wm phones

Thanks for your replies!
Browsing through the forum, found someone saying that the processor speed becomes slower after installing Garmin? Anyone else have this problem?

I've tried garmin and I didn't have any problem at all

Thanks for quick response . Another thing... How are the speed camera databases on it? Are they easy to find/install?
Thanks!

You have in this thread link of their official site, dowload and try it for free with the basemap but you cannot conect to external gps reciver except you buy full version
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=364928

Copilot 7 works v. well on the spv e650
After trying several apps I found copilot to be excellent. Well worth giving it a go.

I have run Tomtom 5.2 for a long time (2 years) and had no problems with it.
Recently I had a look for something more up to date, I tried Route 66 which ran ok, and had free traffic updates, but it did use up all the free memory on my phone and ocasionally crashed.
Then I tried Garmin XT, this seems to run ok, and also has free trafic updates. I also like the way it beeps if I go over the speed limit. The auto zoom out on the map is good as it shows a nice overview of the route.
So far Garmin XT seems to beat Tomtom (5.2) with speed alerts and the free trafic information.
Not tried Tomtom 6 - which is intended for a touch screen, but can work with fake cursor apparently.
One problem I have with Garmin XT is that I am unable to update the maps/poi's on the card with activesync - the Garmin poi update program crashes with an error relating to a PPC class its trying to call - I guess its because its a smartphone. But I can update the SD card by connecting it to a card reader on my PC.

TomTom Navigator problems

I have installed TomTom and tried almost every version that can be found on XDA but for some reason i get an error when i try to calculate a route. Every time i get an error message like "Fault calculating route". As i said, i have tried so many versions and even the one that was provided on the disks that came with my Cruise (Polaris) but i get always this error. Any suggestions?

Sponzert said:
I have installed TomTom and tried almost every version that can be found on XDA but for some reason i get an error when i try to calculate a route. Every time i get an error message like "Fault calculating route". As i said, i have tried so many versions and even the one that was provided on the disks that came with my Cruise (Polaris) but i get always this error. Any suggestions?
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After a few days, I had the same problem without changing anything! I also tried to install other TT versions but it didnt work.
My solution was, delete the map (in my case Benelux, NL + BE) and put a clean or other map back. After that it worked well! I hope this will help you! GL!

Good morning. May not be the answer your looking for, and it's not without it's own problems (you've been warned), but I'll mention it in case your interested.
I got my first color cell / pocket pc when Sprint finally released the PPC-6601. It had a LOT of problems, the biggest of which was it would loose ALL installed programs and data if the battery was removed. And since the device had TERRIBLE battery life, I bought an extended battery that wasn't quite perfect. HOWEVER, I did buy a piece of software for that device that has been a STAPLE on EVERY phone / pocket pc I've owned since... iGuidance.
Now, I'll freely admit I've never owned a Tom Tom device. Looked at them in the stores, played with them a little, but never really was that interested. Recently I tried a Garmin app on the BlackJack II I bought when my AT&T 8525 died. I guess it was ok, but I wasn't really happy with the interface or functionality, and THAT'S why I decided to spend the bigger bucks on the Touch Cruise.
Simply put, iGuidance is the best GPS software I've used. The route calculations are spot on, it adapts quicker than other apps when you miss a turn, etc. It gives you turn-by-turn directions including street names. And I believe it's tne best program for the money. I started with 2.1, went to 3, and now run version 4 on my Touch Cruise. It was somewhat confusing to setup, as you end up dragging an entire folder directly to your memory card. But with that 1.3GB or so transfer, you move the ENTIRE US to your pocket PC. No more moving a couple states, but what happens if you need to go somewhere you forgot to load maps for, etc.
Anyway, you might want to give it a look. Whether using an external BT GPS with my older phone, or installing GPSGate on my HTC Touch Cruise so iGuidance will work properly with the built-in GPS... it really is the only program I'd recommend.
Good luck!

see ur PM........

i hate tomtom. i live in nyc and thw nyc maps for tomtom never knows where i am. i tried searching and adress in brooklyn and the **** doesnt even know where it was.
now everytime i try an update there is an error with the server. tomtom sucks ass.
any good free navigation out there.
also evrytime i am driving all i see is a blank screen and me moving along. never know where am at

dortyboy said:
i hate tomtom. i live in nyc and thw nyc maps for tomtom never knows where i am. i tried searching and adress in brooklyn and the **** doesnt even know where it was.
now everytime i try an update there is an error with the server. tomtom sucks ass.
any good free navigation out there.
also evrytime i am driving all i see is a blank screen and me moving along. never know where am at
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well, here in europe it works perfect.
u can try IGO but i dont know if they have us maps

Hey folks, I actually came across this thread by searching "tomtom sucks" in google, after being screwed once again by this *****.
Another thing that I found within the same search is reference to the Garmin navigation software, which I did not try yet but prospects are quite promising, including free traffic info via TMC and free map updates.
So my suggestion is to try that.

Better GPS Navigation Software

Hello xda-developers
I was wonder why there isn't a better GPS navigation software for Windows Mobile cellphones (more preferably a newer one like the HTC Touch Pro)?
There is Google Maps which is fantastic but it has two shortcomings:
1. Doesn't have any sort of voice guidance
2. Doesn't reroute when you get off your path.
I've also found Google Navigator but after installing the trial version I found it to be very buggy and hasn't been updated for a few months now. Also costs $60! For that cost I can just go ahead an buy a dedicated GPS for about $40 more.
So I ask: Is there anything better in the works? Possibly an open(!) source project? Or a better presented and cheaper solution?

the best navigation software aren't free.. but there are workarounds obviously
try tomtom, or igo i love them

or try nav4all... free until 2010 and turn by turn voice direction

Hm Navi4all didn't seem to want to get any GPS sats, also seemed slow.
Nav N Go (IGo?) seems to be a european only product?
Tomtom looks like it might be worth its salt though

IGo is not European only...there is a North America version.... I love IGo after being turned on to it by a friend of mine (who also helped me with my first flash ---- props to Kareem9NBA).... text to voice, easy interface.
Before that, I used INav which I loved.....

I personally love tomtom. and its free if you know where to find it.

I'd go for Igo. I am from Europe and it has really good data even in eastern european countries, but TomTom is really good too. I think you should compare these two and just use the one that's faster/better for you.
Remember, we have PHONES that have GPS and you can't expect them to work like a GPS-only device. It's the same with the camera - no camera-phone performs as well as a standard digital camera (not even mentioning SLRs) and no GPS enabled phone will ever work as well as a GPS-only device. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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I dunno....Garmin Mobile XT works pretty damn well on my fuze. My friend has a dedicated garmin and mine can do more than his can cause our phones have internet access.

And with the update to Garmin from their website, the POI database is just about never out of date - it includes a Google Search function to look up points of interest.

navigon ( http://www.navigon.com/site/de/de/products/navigation_software/windowsmobile_pda )
is excelent like tomtom - you have the possibility to check before you buy it (30 days)

+1 for Igo8 (from the company Nav N Go). European company, but when you use NavTeq's USA maps, works perfect.
Advantages are real TTS (Text to Speech) (i.e., speaks actual street names), 3D buildings in major cities, ability to add POI databases, logos show onscreen for POIs, etc.
A dedicated GPS does work a bit better. But how often do you have that in your pocket when you need it on the spur of the moment???

Depends on what works best for your phone really. Some programs will lag on one persons phone and then not lag at all on anothers....from what I've read around the forum anyway. I've tried a lot of GPS software and I can tell you that...
Garmin Mobile XT has a great UI and excellent maps. Very easy to use and works. Only problem is GPS lag (shows me about 200ft behind my actual position).
TomTom works great. I don't think the UI is anywhere nearly as nice as Garmin's or as user-friendly. But I hardly get any GPS lag using TomTom and if you can keep the maps updated then you should be just fine. This is what I use now.
I've tried IGO8 and Amigo. Amigo wouldn't find the built-in GPS on my phone but looked pretty nice. I didn't get a chance to test it out much because it wouldn't work, sadly....and I didn't feel like trying to make it work lol. IGO8 is great if you can get the right version. I think I had the EU version because I couldn't change KM/hr to M/hr and I was thoroughly annoyed by that. IGO8 did give a little lag, but not as bad as it was with Garmin. What turned me away from IGO was that damn KM/hr thing. I looked up how to fix it for a grand total of half an hour before I gave up and deleted it lol.
All that being said, I like TomTom. I would absolutely 100% delete TomTom and go with Garmin if I didn't experience the lag. It's just that annoying to me. But if you don't experience lag with Garmin I'd go with that.

another vote for igo
used tomtom on my wizard but I really like the UI on IGo on my serra, the custom skins that are available and the use of a sys.txt to set up a lot of preferences in the software. Lots of web resources out there for these things.
used EU and US mapping and found them both to be very good
you can add POI's in google earth kml format and the software converts them at start up - very handy but large numbers of POI's can course the software to have slow response times at start up

Does anyone use their GPS without a data connection ie: using stored maps? I tried to mess around with mgmaps for a few days but never got it to work.

eimerej77 said:
Does anyone use their GPS without a data connection ie: using stored maps? I tried to mess around with mgmaps for a few days but never got it to work.
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IGO will work without data connection (flight mode on). Obviously, you need to have the program AND maps on your phone. Tomtom will not do the same. Even though it does not need any data connection, it will not establish GPS connection in flight mode. It will work if you turn data or cell radio on, even if there is no connection available (i.e. another country). Not sure about other programs.
Hope that helps.
Mike

yeah perfect. I skipped the data plan (use the nodata cab), so I just use wifi when I can and was trying to find a way to get gps on the road, storing the maps on my micro sd card. I'll look in to it!

doctajay said:
I personally love tomtom. and its free if you know where to find it.
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yup... and yup

Where is TomTom free?
Hello,
Can anyone please let me know where I can find free TOMTOM Software/maps to download to my touchpro?
Thanks
Satish

Warez is not allowed on xda.

TomTom looks interesting however I don't think Navigator 7 has any USA maps (but their Navigator 6 does). Seems to be a product tailored more towards the European crowd

BEst GPS Navigation software (besides google)??

I often travel through some areas where I do not have phone coverage and so the Google navigation will not work for me.
What is the best GPS navigation software for android? I need something that saves maps locally.
Aslo, is there a way to save google maps to my SD card for trips where I may not have coverage?

Co-pilot.
Keeps maps on SD card.

Sygic i use on mine and tested it out the other day worked great other than no voice....and maps are installed on SD card

Henchman said:
Co-pilot.
Keeps maps on SD card.
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+1 no need for data connection

igo8 is best

I've been using Co-Pilot for months on my G1 and just installed it on my Nexus when that arrived. It's really easy to use, has a nice interface and seems to route very well.
I've used Sygic and iGo on other devices in the past and I think co-pilot is a nicer interface. It's also very cheap for what it is

can I install Garmin on Android Nexus

feeltch said:
can I install Garmin on Android Nexus
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No yet, they are still seeking for Android developers to move along.
http://www.androidguys.com/2009/11/28/garmin-seeking-android-developers/

3Shirts said:
I've been using Co-Pilot for months on my G1 and just installed it on my Nexus when that arrived. It's really easy to use, has a nice interface and seems to route very well.
I've used Sygic and iGo on other devices in the past and I think co-pilot is a nicer interface. It's also very cheap for what it is
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+1..........

iGo8 for N1
I have installed the iGo but the resolution doesnt fit.
the screen will not enlarg to full screen
any ideas?

does co-pilot work with australian maps?

im trying co-pilot and will give a comment about it... im living in malaysia...

Co Pilot has a version in market place with Aussie maps. I bought it, and it's worth the $60 I paid for it. I had been a long term tomtom on winmob user and find that co pilot does everything I used on tomtom.

guydor007 said:
I have installed the iGo but the resolution doesnt fit.
the screen will not enlarg to full screen
any ideas?
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To make it fit N1 res:
1. Download this file: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Q9D9CX9A
2. Unpack and adb push the following:
adb push sys.txt data/data/com.navngo.igo.javaclient/sys.txt
adb push data.gro data/data/com.navngo.igo.javaclient/data.gro
adb push FrutigerNextCom-Regular.ttf data/data/com.navngo.igo.javaclient/FrutigerNextCom-Regular.ttf
adb push FrutigerOTS.ttf data/data/com.navngo.igo.javaclient/FrutigerOTS.ttf
Now you should see it at the correct res. There's a known bug which is that you'll have to kill the process because you won't be able to close it from the app itself.
Hope it helped!

I have both Sygic an Copilot - aussie versions. Whilst Copilot has a nicer interface, I cannot say enough good things about Sygic. When I was on my HTC Magic, and installed Cyanogens first 1.6 rom, I emailed them for help because neither worked with GPS enabled (due to it not being a released OS yet). The Copilot response was 'Once it's released, we will support it' - or something to that effect (at least that's how th response felt to me). The Sygic developer contacted me straight away, and for the next 2 weeks he sent me update after update until it finally started working - and in the end had to install Cyanogens mod himself to do so.
That's what I call support! Also, I actually prefer the Sygic interface, it feels less cluttered, and more...whats the word? Intuitive. ie, where you expect an option to be, it seems to be. Copilot for all it's bells and whistles, I don't think of it as an intuitive program. Intuitive programming is a must on mobile devices given limited screen space, and Sygic hits it for me.
EDIT: Add to that, Sygic is faster

Which version to download for north America? There are 3 in the marketplace. 2 for Europe and 1 for Australia and new Zealand

Google Nexus One - Navigon/beta+CoPilot+Google Navigation/beta
CyanogenMod-5.0-beta4 + addons and highmem.
iPhone 3GS 32GB/white - Navigon/beta+TomTom+CoPilot+iGO+Sygic
lol get lost much?..jesus.....

rekrapg said:
I have both Sygic an Copilot - aussie versions. Whilst Copilot has a nicer interface, I cannot say enough good things about Sygic. When I was on my HTC Magic, and installed Cyanogens first 1.6 rom, I emailed them for help because neither worked with GPS enabled (due to it not being a released OS yet). The Copilot response was 'Once it's released, we will support it' - or something to that effect (at least that's how th response felt to me). The Sygic developer contacted me straight away, and for the next 2 weeks he sent me update after update until it finally started working - and in the end had to install Cyanogens mod himself to do so.
That's what I call support! Also, I actually prefer the Sygic interface, it feels less cluttered, and more...whats the word? Intuitive. ie, where you expect an option to be, it seems to be. Copilot for all it's bells and whistles, I don't think of it as an intuitive program. Intuitive programming is a must on mobile devices given limited screen space, and Sygic hits it for me.
EDIT: Add to that, Sygic is faster
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I have to add to this, not only is Sygic better in my opinion, but CoPilot has some awful disadvantages for me.
1. Does not follow one way restrictions on roads in my hometown (Baltimore, MD). Roads that have always been one way (for 100 years). Major confidence breaker.
2. When contacted about poor directions (citing one way restrictions not being followed), they stated it would take a few months to get an update sent out. YIKES!
That's really enough to be a deal breaker for me.
Sygic has never led me astray, even in foreign states where I am not familiar with the roads. I can't trust CoPilot to do so, as such I got a refund within my 24 hour period.

St.Jimmy! said:
To make it fit N1 res:
1. Download this file: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Q9D9CX9A
2. Unpack and adb push the following:
adb push sys.txt data/data/com.navngo.igo.javaclient/sys.txt
adb push data.gro data/data/com.navngo.igo.javaclient/data.gro
adb push FrutigerNextCom-Regular.ttf data/data/com.navngo.igo.javaclient/FrutigerNextCom-Regular.ttf
adb push FrutigerOTS.ttf data/data/com.navngo.igo.javaclient/FrutigerOTS.ttf
Now you should see it at the correct res. There's a known bug which is that you'll have to kill the process because you won't be able to close it from the app itself.
Hope it helped!
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Could you please tell me how was the experience of using iGO in android compare to Windows Mobile?
thanks

I use Copilot, which is rather good, considering its cost. Sometimes it seems to give slightly too late of a notification to turn on an exit, and sometimes it thinks that a one-way road is a two-way one, but overall it's good, if one adapts to its minor quirks. I haven't tried anything else (besides Google Maps and Google Earth), so I don't know whether it's the best, though.

Sygic Maps 10 & Android 2.1

Hi All,
I recently purchased a HTC Desire, and then also purchased Sygic Mobile Maps 10 - but alas, it's not letting me open the app. It opens, goes to black screen, then returns me back to my home screen.
Anyone know how to fix this?

Have you contacted Sygic support?
They must help you for paying customer.
lasterato said:
Hi All,
I recently purchased a HTC Desire, and then also purchased Sygic Mobile Maps 10 - but alas, it's not letting me open the app. It opens, goes to black screen, then returns me back to my home screen.
Anyone know how to fix this?
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I know this might not help but works fine for me...
You did install the maps from the PC and sync'd the device with the software...

Yay! I got it working. Thanks guys for all the help. I just started a fresh, dumped files on the card, installed the software and it works a treat!
Thanks again.

Same problem
Hi -
I just downed my 2 gig update to version10 file.
But I have the same problem after installation.
I mailed Sygic, but maybe you could tell me what you did ?
I have the exact same error.
Under the installation it did not ask me to remove maps -
So I did this by unselection in sync app.
Then install maps again.
And last installed app manually.
BTW im on the newly Android 2.1
Please advice
BR
MKrogh

i'm torn between sygic and ndrive, since they are both paid apps, I want to be sure I make the right decision. any comments between the two? I tried ndrive for 7 days trial, while it works, the route calculation is not very good and the features are very basic.
I can't try sygic since they do not have trial..

zenkinz said:
i'm torn between sygic and ndrive, since they are both paid apps, I want to be sure I make the right decision. any comments between the two? I tried ndrive for 7 days trial, while it works, the route calculation is not very good and the features are very basic.
I can't try sygic since they do not have trial..
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I strongly recommend Sygic. I have NDRive (V9) pre-installed on a PDA, and I found that it has many shortcomings. Just to name a few:
- Its navigation instructions are not clear. For example, when it tells you "keep right", that may just mean that you should take the rightmost lane and proceed forward, but it may also mean that you should turn right to another road. The only way to tell is to look at the display. Furthermore, in some junctions it simply doesn't give any instruction at all.
- Its routing is not very good. I've seen it make various silly mistakes.
- There's no way to tell it to navigate to a point that you indicate on the map. You first have to create a favorite, and then tell it to navigate to it.
- The map of Portugal has many errors. While other maps are from Teleatlas, the Portuguese map is from InfoPortugal and is much less accurate. This is somewhat silly, because the software is Portuguese and I guess that Portugal is their main market.
I've had the opportunity to try Sygic version 7 (it was called McGuider, then), and that version was much better than NDrive V9. Sygic is now at version 10, which should be even better.

blank sygic
You must close your network, it' work for me.