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The Ultimate Phone

In light of the controversy over Nexus S I thought I would see what everyone else thought a phone branded Nexus should be. Before anyone gets to crazy, here are the guide lines:
1) who builds it
2) nothing that is not produced or not going to be produced: aka- "Star Wars in true 3D holograms and a transporter from Star Trek" talk about things that DO exsist like 10 megapixel cameras with flash, accepts 32g class 10 cards, front facing camera, roms, android version, etc.
3)Why
4)Try to explain why there is not this device
That's it, build your Nexus fantasy, and question why we can't have it!

My Dream Nexus
Okay, well I have been thinking about this for a while now, what I would like in a phone, not necessarily a Nexus, and this is what I have come up with. Please understand that I haven't used an Android phone (although I am getting a Galaxy S for Christmas, have found them cheap on eBay from people giving them up for Nexus S' ) so some of this may be irrelevant.
1) Well, to be honest, I don't care who makes it, as long as it is reliable and sturdy. I love the design of the HTC 1 (concept by Andrew Kim, Google it, I can't post links or pictures unfortunately), and it seems to fit HTC's recent designs, so I may as well go with HTC, having played with a Desire and Wildfire, I can't fault the quality.
2) In my mind, I can't see much technology that could be incorporated into a new device that isn't out currently. I think an 8MP camera (large sensor size of course) is about as much as most people will need. A choice of 32/64 GB internal storage seems reasonable, with the option of using a MicroSDHC card up to 32GB. As for processors, I would probably choose that tri-core processor I heard about a while ago (can't remember it's name for the life of me) that had 2 multimedia/powerful cores and one lower clocked core for other tasks, paired with 1GB of RAM, allowing for the future, because with all of this, hopefully it would be at the top for a long time. A screen size of about 4 inches seems perfect, having used an iPod Touch and tested out a Galaxy S and a HD2, preferably with SuperAMOLED(2?). A front facing camera (1.3mp), and all the current sensors would be included. As for connectivity, Wireless N is standard, but you could get this phone in several versions, a HSPA+ version, LTE or WiMAX, to cater for your network of choice, and at a stretch, combine them all into one to have a mega-worldwide phone . Now, the biggest improvement area: batteries. I would definitely have a large capacity battery, at least 1500ma, but possibly even using new technology to make it last longer, such as using Tobacco Mosaic Virus to boost battery life 10x (I read this on Gizmodo today). Thats about all I can think of for hardware, with all of that, you really need decent software, and that's where the fun really begins.
Software is a tricky area in my mind for the Nexus line, being more of a developer type of phone, it should be easy to root and customise everything, installing new ROMs should be painless, and safe, with no risk, similar in a way to an iOS jailbreak (just hit restore in iTunes etc). But, as Andrew Kim mentioned when he did his HTC 1 concept, hardware and software need to be unified. This is where a Nexus could excell, being a Google phone and running stock Android. But to do that, I think the UI needs to become more consistent, much more consistent. Go and look at the HTC 1 concept now on the Design Fabulous website/blog, and find the messaging app mockup. It uses similar shades of grey and black to the phone itself, making it appear seemless, and even beautiful. Yes this would mean giving Android a completely different look, like going from WM6.x to WP7. And remove those buttons, for crying out loud, you have a beautiful touchscreen just there, it should be used! Have 2 buttons, a Home and Menu, integrate the Back option into the UI like in iOS, search could be accessed by holding down/double tapping Home and then the Menu key could be used for the next major shift.
(EDIT: Can't post images, sorry, but please search Google Images for 'windows phone 7 app associated press' and it should be the first image there)
Yes, this is a picture of an app in WP7, but that's not the point. I tried out WP7 the other day, and I found it a refreshing way of using a device. It looked good and was consistent. But I am drifting off, the Menu key. Look at the picture above, look to the left, and see the categories. Imagine that as all the app's options/menu, like pressing the Menu key currently does, as well as anything else. You could swipe through the different screens to get to it (using the screen, like I went on about before), or, similar to getting back to the first page of apps on iOS, press the Menu key to zoom back there. Simple and elegant in my opinion. Implement a similar look and feel across the whole system, and you have some mighty fine software indeed, but for those who wouldn't like it, with the option of installing one of the many ROMs available without any risk.
3) Why? Well, we are a consumer society, with many phones getting replaced in a year or less, and sometimes just being thrown out, we waste so many materials. By providing solid, useful and top of the line hardware, the need to upgrade becomes less as it would take longer to become outdated. I believe software is the key to a platform, and I am not alone in thinking that. That is where the real innovation comes from, so with a standardised Nexus there could be so much innovation coming from users such as the people here at XDA. Most of the hardware is probably available today, if not in the near future, so it is more an evolutionary step, but I will say that the tri-core processor is for more battery life and more power when needed, and the RAM allowing for better multitasking and futureproofing. And I would just love to own a phone looking like the HTC 1 concept, it is awesome and many friends I have shown it to think the same (they aren't techies either).
4) Why can't we have it? Well, I don't actually know why. The only things I can think of which probably isn't in production are: a) the tri-core processor, but dual-cores are in production now or in the next few weeks I imagine, b) SuperAMOLED(2?), mainly because it's Samsung's tech and this would be built by HTC and c) the multiple connectivity radio with HSPA+, LTE and WiMAX probably isn't being developed as of now, maybe not for another year until these networks become more common.
It is the software side of things which puzzles me, but I'm sure it is coming. Someone just has to take this idea with them, and go for gold. I would like to do that personally, but I need to learn how to code better, a lot better. (I joined XDA for inspiration ) I think this UI would work well, and be powerful, elegant and simple at the same time, helping to bring Android into the public as being easy to use and better than Apple's offerings (a tough task, but I would like to think it possible, note I am not an Android fanboy, neither do I hate Apple, but change is good).
Wow, that is a lot of writing... I hope this is acceptable, I would love to have a device like this myself, I think it would be possible in the next 6 months maybe? I am curious to see what others would like, bring on more ideas!

mcsinny99 said:
In light of the controversy over Nexus S I thought I would see what everyone else thought a phone branded Nexus should be. Before anyone gets to crazy, here are the guide lines:
1) who builds it
2) nothing that is not produced or not going to be produced: aka- "Star Wars in true 3D holograms and a transporter from Star Trek" talk about things that DO exsist like 10 megapixel cameras with flash, accepts 32g class 10 cards, front facing camera, roms, android version, etc.
3)Why
4)Try to explain why there is not this device
That's it, build your Nexus fantasy, and question why we can't have it!
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I believe thats this is just a useless post. U ask people to xplain their fantasies but dont include phones not or never will be built?!
plainly put there is n never will be any ultimate phone since whatever u buy now is obsolete in 2 months.
@ OP
Post something more productive. There are other places u can go to post ur wishes n dreams.

kaivish said:
I believe thats this is just a useless post. U ask people to xplain their fantasies but dont include phones not or never will be built?!
plainly put there is n never will be any ultimate phone since whatever u buy now is obsolete in 2 months.
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I'm sorry, but I think you may have misunderstood the point about no Star Trek stuff. Reasonable fantasies would probably be a better way of thinking of it, maybe something you could get within the next few years. Yes, phones will be obsolete within months of release, but as I mentioned in my post, I think software is the real contender in the future, so once you have a decent specced phone, the software can do the rest.
I'm personally interested in what people want from a phone which isn't out already. So if you think this isn't productive, you don't have to read it. I think some good stuff could come out of here, and you never know, Google or HTC could be listening

1) built by samsung
2)3.8" super AMOLED screen with a resolution of 1024x720 for a true HD display and 329 PPI(pixels per inch). a 1.2Ghz dual-core orion processor, Nvidia GPU,samsungs own NFC chip included in the nexus S, 2.3 Gingerbread ,10MP continual Auto-focus camera that can record at 720p, maximum microSD card is 32GB class 6, 16GB on-board storage,unlocked bootloader for easy loading of ROM's,1.3MP front facing camera, hardware camera shutter button, contour display, choice of stock 2.3 launcher or Touchwiz 3.0 launcher.
3) because why shouldnt we have tech this awesome , and if you think about it , most laptops would e obsolete if this were true , along with point and shoot cameras
4)Cost, cost of manufacture , cost of retail, too much R&D would be needed , to many other products would become obsolete, this to would need to be released quickly , or have 3.0 loaded onto it when it becomes readily available.
and can i have it by christmas please santa ??

CPU:
Snapdragon QSD8672 (1.5GHz Dualcore)
RAM:
1024MB DDR2 Mobile RAM (Elpida Produced)
GPU:
256MB nVidia Tegra GPU
Storage:
OS/Applications: 2048MB SSD
External Storage: 32GB MicroSD
Imaging
5MP Main Camera (Any does me tbh)
Sound
Bluetooth Cochlear Implant w/ Induction Charging Circuit
Screen/s
Wrist Display - Subdermal LCD w/ Single Action Touch Sensor and Induction Charging Circuit - http://www.gearfuse.com/subdermal-implant-watch-tattoo/
Main Screen - WSVGA Touch Screen
Power
5x 250A Lithium Ion Polymer Cells using Cell Balancing
Location Services
GPS
Accelerometer
Digital Compass
Altimeter
Connectivity
Micro USB 3.0
WiFi
HSDPA
3G
GPRS
the usual basically...
Would be my ultimate like

dom.l said:
2)3.8" super AMOLED screen with a resolution of 1024x720 for a true HD display and 329 PPI(pixels per inch). a 1.2Ghz dual-core orion processor, Nvidia GPU,samsungs own NFC chip included in the nexus S, 2.3 Gingerbread ,10MP continual Auto-focus camera that can record at 720p, maximum microSD card is 32GB class 6, 16GB on-board storage,unlocked bootloader for easy loading of ROM's,1.3MP front facing camera, hardware camera shutter button, contour display, choice of stock 2.3 launcher or Touchwiz 3.0 launcher.
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Sounds decent I like your thinking!

dom.l said:
1) built by samsung
2)3.8" super AMOLED screen with a resolution of 1024x720 for a true HD display and 329 PPI(pixels per inch). a 1.2Ghz dual-core orion processor, Nvidia GPU,samsungs own NFC chip included in the nexus S, 2.3 Gingerbread ,10MP continual Auto-focus camera that can record at 720p, maximum microSD card is 32GB class 6, 16GB on-board storage,unlocked bootloader for easy loading of ROM's,1.3MP front facing camera, hardware camera shutter button, contour display, choice of stock 2.3 launcher or Touchwiz 3.0 launcher.
3) because why shouldnt we have tech this awesome , and if you think about it , most laptops would e obsolete if this were true , along with point and shoot cameras
4)Cost, cost of manufacture , cost of retail, too much R&D would be needed , to many other products would become obsolete, this to would need to be released quickly , or have 3.0 loaded onto it when it becomes readily available.
and can i have it by christmas please santa ??
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@3) That is my theory as well. But why not fire a shot across the bow of other manufacturers? Set the bar higher and watch them scramble to catch up?

2) In my mind, I can't see much technology that could be incorporated into a new device that isn't out currently. I think an 8MP camera (large sensor size of course) is about as much as most people will need. A choice of 32/64 GB internal storage seems reasonable, with the option of using a MicroSDHC card up to 32GB. As for processors, I would probably choose that tri-core processor I heard about a while ago (can't remember it's name for the life of me) that had 2 multimedia/powerful cores and one lower clocked core for other tasks, paired with 1GB of RAM, allowing for the future, because with all of this, hopefully it would be at the top for a long time. A screen size of about 4 inches seems perfect, having used an iPod Touch and tested out a Galaxy S and a HD2, preferably with SuperAMOLED(2?). A front facing camera (1.3mp), and all the current sensors would be included. As for connectivity, Wireless N is standard, but you could get this phone in several versions, a HSPA+ version, LTE or WiMAX, to cater for your network of choice, and at a stretch, combine them all into one to have a mega-worldwide phone . Now, the biggest improvement area: batteries. I would definitely have a large capacity battery, at least 1500ma, but possibly even using new technology to make it last longer, such as using Tobacco Mosaic Virus to boost battery life 10x (I read this on Gizmodo today). Thats about all I can think of for hardware, with all of that, you really need decent software, and that's where the fun really begins.
Software is a tricky area in my mind for the Nexus line, being more of a developer type of phone, it should be easy to root and customise everything, installing new ROMs should be painless, and safe, with no risk, similar in a way to an iOS jailbreak (just hit restore in iTunes etc). But, as Andrew Kim mentioned when he did his HTC 1 concept, hardware and software need to be unified. This is where a Nexus could excell, being a Google phone and running stock Android. But to do that, I think the UI needs to become more consistent, much more consistent. Go and look at the HTC 1 concept now on the Design Fabulous website/blog, and find the messaging app mockup. It uses similar shades of grey and black to the phone itself, making it appear seemless, and even beautiful. Yes this would mean giving Android a completely different look, like going from WM6.x to WP7. And remove those buttons, for crying out loud, you have a beautiful touchscreen just there, it should be used! Have 2 buttons, a Home and Menu, integrate the Back option into the UI like in iOS, search could be accessed by holding down/double tapping Home and then the Menu key could be used for the next major shift.
(EDIT: Can't post images, sorry, but please search Google Images for 'windows phone 7 app associated press' and it should be the first image there)
Yes, this is a picture of an app in WP7, but that's not the point. I tried out WP7 the other day, and I found it a refreshing way of using a device. It looked good and was consistent. But I am drifting off, the Menu key. Look at the picture above, look to the left, and see the categories. Imagine that as all the app's options/menu, like pressing the Menu key currently does, as well as anything else. You could swipe through the different screens to get to it (using the screen, like I went on about before), or, similar to getting back to the first page of apps on iOS, press the Menu key to zoom back there. Simple and elegant in my opinion. Implement a similar look and feel across the whole system, and you have some mighty fine software indeed, but for those who wouldn't like it, with the option of installing one of the many ROMs available without any risk.
3) Why? Well, we are a consumer society, with many phones getting replaced in a year or less, and sometimes just being thrown out, we waste so many materials. By providing solid, useful and top of the line hardware, the need to upgrade becomes less as it would take longer to become outdated. I believe software is the key to a platform, and I am not alone in thinking that. That is where the real innovation comes from, so with a standardised Nexus there could be so much innovation coming from users such as the people here at XDA. Most of the hardware is probably available today, if not in the near future, so it is more an evolutionary step, but I will say that the tri-core processor is for more battery life and more power when needed, and the RAM allowing for better multitasking and futureproofing. And I would just love to own a phone looking like the HTC 1 concept, it is awesome and many friends I have shown it to think the same (they aren't techies either).
4) Why can't we have it? Well, I don't actually know why. The only things I can think of which probably isn't in production are: a) the tri-core processor, but dual-cores are in production now or in the next few weeks I imagine, b) SuperAMOLED(2?), mainly because it's Samsung's tech and this would be built by HTC and c) the multiple connectivity radio with HSPA+, LTE and WiMAX probably isn't being developed as of now, maybe not for another year until these networks become more common.
It is the software side of things which puzzles me, but I'm sure it is coming. Someone just has to take this idea with them, and go for gold. I would like to do that personally, but I need to learn how to code better, a lot better. (I joined XDA for inspiration ) I think this UI would work well, and be powerful, elegant and simple at the same time, helping to bring Android into the public as being easy to use and better than Apple's offerings (a tough task, but I would like to think it possible, note I am not an Android fanboy, neither do I hate Apple, but change is good).
Wow, that is a lot of writing... I hope this is acceptable, I would love to have a device like this myself, I think it would be possible in the next 6 months maybe? I am curious to see what others would like, bring on more ideas![/QUOTE]
Great post, I agree with most of what you have to say, but I feel wp7 is behind in ui. Take that home screen that just plainly wastes 1/3 of the screen. Sure, android phones could loose those buttons, but I still think it's a step ahead of the competition. The slick ui concept http://phandroid.com/2010/10/25/slick-ui-promising-look-at-an-android-home-screen-replacement-app/ may be a step towards that htc 1 concept (WOW, btw, had not seen that- http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html) that we will get soon. Seems people just don't like the idea of those permanent screen buttons. I am coming around myself.

mcsinny99 said:
Great post, I agree with most of what you have to say, but I feel wp7 is behind in ui. Take that home screen that just plainly wastes 1/3 of the screen. Sure, android phones could loose those buttons, but I still think it's a step ahead of the competition. The slick ui concept http://phandroid.com/2010/10/25/slick-ui-promising-look-at-an-android-home-screen-replacement-app/ may be a step towards that htc 1 concept (WOW, btw, had not seen that- http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html) that we will get soon. Seems people just don't like the idea of those permanent screen buttons. I am coming around myself.
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I have to agree the homescreen doesn't make total use of the space, but I guess it helps make it look less cluttered, however that is personal. What I meant about WP7 was the different approach to apps, specifically the side scrolling nature of everything.
I love watching the reactions of people who look at the HTC 1 concept, every single person I have shown it to so far has just kinda said either I want one now or wow... Rather interesting to see
As for the buttons, I am undecided personally. I can see the use of having more, but I am starting to like simpler, less cluttered looks myself. I guess in that respect the Galaxy S International is half ground, having one hard button and two capacitive, which you don't really notice too much if they're not lit up.

1. Does not matter, until it is high quality and not cheap plastic.
2.
- [at least] 4" sAMOLED display (or even IPS) with standard 480x800 resolution
Buttons should be:
- Camera and power on the right side
- Volume on the left side
- Menu, back, home buttons under the screen (preferably touch buttons)
- The latest Tegra2 dual-core CPU what performs at 2GHz max, and the best mobile 3d acceleration too
- High capacity but thin battery (1600mAh)
- 12Mp camera on the back, at least 3.2Mp camera on front (or something like the Adam, a rotate-able camera ontop) with dual xenon-led flash (and of course separate control, so they can be used separately)
- Projector on top part of the phone
- 1024MB RAM, 1024MB ROM(formatted for 512-512MB), dedicated 256MB SWAP, internal 16/32GB memcard, support for SDXC cards (capacity up to 2048GB)
- Bluetooth 3.0, USB 3.0, NFC, WLAN b/g/n, DLNA support, 4G support, USB Host functions
- Android OS of course, bumped with a nice slick UI, made by real designers, not some manufacturer (actually, Samsung is pretty good in these stuffs)
- Open system (no secure bootloader, etc) if you want it
3. Why? Because as a dev phone, developers needs the BEST device to test. If the stuff runs OK on the best, it should run properly on all other. Of course, device spec fragmentation is huge, we can't make all manufacturers to use the same CPU, motherboard, radio part, etc. That's where WinPhone7 failed great.
And also, let's provide something for the money they ask for a "smart phone". My current ZTE Blade knows a lot more than the HTC Legend, but costs half or even third of the money (here in Hungary a Legend costs around 90.000HUF, what is approx. 400-500$. The Blade, while it has more cocoa in it, costs around 200$). That's not right!
4. Why can't we have it?
That's easy. Manufacturers want people to buy their new phone when it comes out. Even if it costs a lot. They won't make an "Ultimate Phone", because then after everyone bought his/her own one, there would be no need of new stocks, and done. This way, they always keep up the interest for a slightly new phone (like Nexus S, a dumber Galaxy S, with Gingerbread), just to earn the highest profit with the lowest cost involved. The manufacturer who makes the "Ultimate Phone" would get rich at first sight, then until something more Ultimate is released, they just don't have income. See what I mean? Manufacturers use the first, big boom to earn back all the money they spent for "improvements" while selling almost the same phones. Just like Samsung as I said, or Nokia (N97 and N97 Mini, N8 and E7), or Sony Ericsson (X10, X10 pro; X10 mini, X10 mini pro; Vivaz, Satio, Vivaz Pro). Slight improvements, huge incomes.

fonix232 said:
4. Why can't we have it?
That's easy. Manufacturers want people to buy their new phone when it comes out. Even if it costs a lot. They won't make an "Ultimate Phone", because then after everyone bought his/her own one, there would be no need of new stocks, and done. This way, they always keep up the interest for a slightly new phone (like Nexus S, a dumber Galaxy S, with Gingerbread), just to earn the highest profit with the lowest cost involved. The manufacturer who makes the "Ultimate Phone" would get rich at first sight, then until something more Ultimate is released, they just don't have income. See what I mean? Manufacturers use the first, big boom to earn back all the money they spent for "improvements" while selling almost the same phones. Just like Samsung as I said, or Nokia (N97 and N97 Mini, N8 and E7), or Sony Ericsson (X10, X10 pro; X10 mini, X10 mini pro; Vivaz, Satio, Vivaz Pro). Slight improvements, huge incomes.
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That's definitely a solid reason, and as much as we/consumers don't like it, the big companies will undoubtedly keep doing the same, just to stay in business. Still, I can see it being half possible if a manufacturer like made half-ground or something

Read these old posts made me lol 1600mAh high capacity lol I do not that was even high capacity when this topic was made!,OK here is my Ultimate phone for 2010 5.2in 940x560 LCD IPS display,SoC a custom One we well call t186 it has 4 A9-cortex core clocked at 1.6Ghz and a powerVR SXG543MP6 GPU with 2GB of LPDDR2 RAM,battery a 3500mAh battery,OS android honey comb 3.4,camera 10 megapixel rear camera 2mp front camera now that is a phone my friends!
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tech_yeet said:
Read these old posts made me lol 1600mAh high capacity lol I do not that was even high capacity when this topic was made!,OK here is my Ultimate phone for 2010 5.2in 940x560 LCD IPS display,SoC a custom One we well call t186 it has 4 A9-cortex core clocked at 1.6Ghz and a powerVR SXG543MP6 GPU with 2GB of LPDDR2 RAM,battery a 3500mAh battery,OS android honey comb 3.4,camera 10 megapixel rear camera 2mp front camera now that is a phone my friends!
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That's not even close to the s5 and note 4... lol... year old phone.

eloko said:
That's not even close to the s5 and note 4... lol... year old phone.
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And actually the GPU would be more powerful the SGS5...
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Google Nexus Prime specs!

Possible nexus prime specs:
CPU: Texas Instruments OMAP 4460 Cortex A9 (1,2 GHz).
Screen: 1280 x 720 Super AMOLED HD 4,65"
OS: Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich
RAM: 1 GB RAM
Int. Memory: 32 GB
Back Camera: 5 Mpix
Front Camera: 1,3 Mpix
Movie recording in full 1080p
Wireless connectivity: LTE or HSPA (depends on operator)
NFC enabled!
9 mm thin
1750 mAh battery!

Would you mind telling us your source?

i think this is crap.. no way they would go down on camera specs from 8mp in the galaxy s ii and all there competors to 5 mp.. most likely it will have 12 or 16 mp..
This makes the rest of this suspect as well.

lgkahn said:
i think this is crap.. no way they would go down on camera specs from 8mp in the galaxy s ii and all there competors to 5 mp.. most likely it will have 12 or 16 mp..
This makes the rest of this suspect as well.
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This is the original source from BGR.com:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/10/06/samsung-galaxy-nexus-full-specs-revealed-verizon-wireless-exclusive/
And your arguments about the camera specs are right, when you just look at the hype about megapixel. But the image sensor is much more important for the quality of a picture. So i would like it to see the nexus prime with a better sensor, and less mp.
If you are interested, you can search for "megapixel vs. image sensor"
http://www.laesieworks.com/digicom/MP.html
If your camera has to be a compact, be sure to get a big sensor (1/1.6" or 1/1.7") and not too much megapixels.
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Processor is 1.5 ghz dual core afaik, and camera is 8MP at back and 2 or 3 MP at front. Internal memory may not be 32gb , it will be 16gb.
Also battery is rumoured to be 1850 MHz.
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BHuvan goyal said:
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Also battery is rumoured to be 1850 MHz.
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pretty fast battery

Well it will depend on the new android ics, how much it sucks battery out.
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lgkahn said:
i think this is crap.. no way they would go down on camera specs from 8mp in the galaxy s ii and all there competors to 5 mp.. most likely it will have 12 or 16 mp..
This makes the rest of this suspect as well.
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Phones only really need 5mp. 8mp will make the picture larger, but that doesn't mean that it will be better.
Then again if you really want an amazing camera that also happens to make calls, then check out the Nokia N8. 12MP and a Carl Zeiss (SP?) on that bad boy...
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ccrows said:
Phones only really need 5mp. 8mp will make the picture larger, but that doesn't mean that it will be better.
Then again if you really want an amazing camera that also happens to make calls, then check out the Nokia N8. 12MP and a Carl Zeiss (SP?) on that bad boy...
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Well I have actually used all three that are best in the business- samsung galaxy s 2, n8 and se arc se ARC has the best camera of all three and sg2 has also a better camera then n8 so 12 MP s don't really matter when u don't have optical zoom, the quality matter and arc outstands both sgs2 and n8 !
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A little disappointed with the hardware (processor was rumoured differently, for one) but it's still going to be one hell of a phone.

What i'd like to see:
I'd very much like if they'd stop making bigger screens. I really think 4'' was the sweet spot, nearly 5'' is... well, too big imo. I realize this may be a requirement for 1280 x 720-pixel res but i honestly believe my phone is big enough as it is (i own an SGS). Granted, higher resolution rules but... well, it's a phone, not a tablet.
I'd also like to see an SD card slot. I can't really see why not. Sure you already have 32Gb. More than enough for me as far as space goes, but i usually leave my phone downloading stuff over the night. SO much faster and easier to just take the card out and plugging in the computer in the morning than having all of that transferred over wireless again.
Android also has a few issues with sdcards (try setting an mp3 as your ringtone stored in the sd, removing, putting the card back in and get a call), but removing the slot completely isn't really a solution and it doesn't take that much space.
Aluminum instead of plastics. Or at least solid stuff for a lasting phone. Phones aren't meant to fall but shi* happens and i'd like my 500€ investment a bit better suited to survive. Don't really mind plastics though, they make my phone lighter, but i'd like some solid stuff for a change. At the very least, nothing as thin as the back cover of an SGS2, please. If we're doing plastics, i'm thinking the back cover of the iphone 3GS. Has a great solid feeling.
I don't care much for the camera. Only think i'd ask is decent, solid shots and that the sensor not to take much space in the back. Cameras usually spoil the design with a huge lump in the back. If it's glass could be made not to touch the surface of the table to prevent scratches, would be cool as well.
What i'd like to see is that great responsiveness to touch iphones have that android seems to lack, even on higher end devices. Sure they work great, but now and then android seems to skip a beat or just lag for 0.5 sec before registering touch. Lockscreens are particularly affected by this.
That said i have really high hopes for ICS. REALLY. I don't care much for competition (hey everyone should use whatever they like or suits them best) but android has always been a few steps ahead of iOS as far as complexity goes. This is a good thing, for me at least. I don't mean to offend anyone, but really, every time i need to use iOS i feel kind of retarded. Hand feeding me stuff that'd be obvious already just works against me. Apple didn't do much to add for that (seen loads of people disappointed, me included) so I honestly believe android can push it ahead once and for all.
My needs may be a bit different that the rest of the world, but i'd prefer some core improvements (like responsiveness improved and bug corrections) other than extra semi-useless new features (like voice control). That'd make for a more solid experience, imo. All that said, I'm kind of excited about this, might really be my next phone if it hits enough spots on my book.

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What i'd like to see:
I'd very much like if they'd stop making bigger screens. I really think 4'' was the sweet spot, nearly 5'' is... well, too big imo. I realize this may be a requirement for 1280 x 720-pixel res but i honestly believe my phone is big enough as it is (i own an SGS). Granted, higher resolution rules but... well, it's a phone, not a tablet.
I'd also like to see an SD card slot. I can't really see why not. Sure you already have 32Gb. More than enough for me as far as space goes, but i usually leave my phone downloading stuff over the night. SO much faster and easier to just take the card out and plugging in the computer in the morning than having all of that transferred over wireless again.
Android also has a few issues with sdcards (try setting an mp3 as your ringtone stored in the sd, removing, putting the card back in and get a call), but removing the slot completely isn't really a solution and it doesn't take that much space.
Aluminum instead of plastics. Or at least solid stuff for a lasting phone. Phones aren't meant to fall but shi* happens and i'd like my 500€ investment a bit better suited to survive. Don't really mind plastics though, they make my phone lighter, but i'd like some solid stuff for a change. At the very least, nothing as thin as the back cover of an SGS2, please. If we're doing plastics, i'm thinking the back cover of the iphone 3GS. Has a great solid feeling.
I don't care much for the camera. Only think i'd ask is decent, solid shots and that the sensor not to take much space in the back. Cameras usually spoil the design with a huge lump in the back. If it's glass could be made not to touch the surface of the table to prevent scratches, would be cool as well.
What i'd like to see is that great responsiveness to touch iphones have that android seems to lack, even on higher end devices. Sure they work great, but now and then android seems to skip a beat or just lag for 0.5 sec before registering touch. Lockscreens are particularly affected by this.
That said i have really high hopes for ICS. REALLY. I don't care much for competition (hey everyone should use whatever they like or suits them best) but android has always been a few steps ahead of iOS as far as complexity goes. This is a good thing, for me at least. I don't mean to offend anyone, but really, every time i need to use iOS i feel kind of retarded. Hand feeding me stuff that'd be obvious already just works against me. Apple didn't do much to add for that (seen loads of people disappointed, me included) so I honestly believe android can push it ahead once and for all.
My needs may be a bit different that the rest of the world, but i'd prefer some core improvements (like responsiveness improved and bug corrections) other than extra semi-useless new features (like voice control). That'd make for a more solid experience, imo. All that said, I'm kind of excited about this, might really be my next phone if it hits enough spots on my book.
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Good you pointed out about screen as many people including you have a little bit misunderstanding about bigger screens- a bigger screen doesn't mean a very big phone. they reduce the extra space from edges and boundaries to make screen big( give a nice look at sgs2 and sgs2 HD lte and you'll notice that sgs2 has a big home button which is more of a square whereas sgs2 hd lte has a mere small rectangle home button so they have reduced spaces for sure and also the small buttons will be till convinient to press), now the big fact in case of Samsung galaxy nexus or nexus prime is that it wont have those capacitive, back, menu ,home(mostly hard key) buttons, Those will be replaced by on screen buttons so more space reduced for bigger screen. All other things you pointed out will be made cleared once the ics and new device is itself released but about touch responsiveness - all smartphones these days have nearly same touch sensors which are gr8 but the thing which makes apple devices smoother and more responsive is GPU acceleration, which is very good in apple's ios then in android that's why many people were asking the Guy who got the ics equipped nexus s that ' did you feel gr8 touch responsiveness on your nexus s ?'. I am also looking forward to this event to know that will ics have gpu accelearion or not.
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Nexus Prime correct Specs
CORRECT SPECS:
http://www.gsmarena.com/source_close_to_google_reveals_real_nexus_prime_specs-news-3239.php
"According to our source, the device codenamed Nexus Prime is going to ship with Samsung's own chipset, with a blazingly fast dual-core processor clocked at 1.5GHz. But wait, there's more.
On that chipset will also reside a powerful dual-core GPU from Imagination. We suspect it's going to be the PowerVR SGX543MP2, or in other words, the same GPU found in the iPad 2 (and quite probably on the iPhone 4S as well).
On the back, instead of the 5-megapixel snapper, our source claims, there's an 8-megapixel, full 1080p HD video-shooting camera with some sort of an improved sensor. As for the battery, expect a 2050mAh one (do we hear a whoa?), which should be good for a couple of days use without charging.
The Nexus Prime will also be LTE-enabled, but the most interesting part is that it would probably boast a dual-mode GSM/CDMA radio, just like the Apple iPhone 4S.
All those specifications sound almost too nice to be true, but keeping in mind the advertisement for the Nexus Prime, prompting us that "something BIG is coming", we won't be surprised if all of these purported specs turn out to be real.
What we do know for sure is that the head-turning 4.65-inch, 1280x720 pixels screen is definitely a go. Whatever the truth might be, we'll definitely find out on October 11, which is just a few days from now."

New Sidekick (4G LX?) Wish List

Any Wish Lists for what the Sidekick 4G LX (I am guesstimating the new name of the Next Generation model) should have??
My list:
* A bigger screen (closer to 4 inches).
* Full Unicode Support, including manual entry of symbols (like Alt+#### on PCs and similar to older Sidekicks). Support for a wider array of symbols via the Symbols key (customizable??).
* More built-in memory.
* LED lights that are accessible to a wider array of apps (not just the built-in ones).
* Smiley Button that works in ALL apps, not just the built-in Texting app
* If you have to add bloatware (like DriveSmart) allow it to be easily uninstalled.
*Allow customizable color themes.
*provide a better font where it is clear the difference between l (lower L) I and 1 (like the older sidekicks did)
Any others you want to add to the list??

I'd be fine with retaining the screen we have now, though stretching it out to the borders of the case does sound nice. The bigger priorities for me would be to add a faster CPU, some extra memory, and get ICS. An HDMI output would be a nice bonus, but definitely not a requirement.
Despite what HTC says, I don't want my cell phone to be the thickness of a playing card. I quite like the chunky shape of the Sidekick and would much much much much much much much much much much much rather have that than an angular and awkward iPhone 4-shaped phone with shorter battery life. Really thin phones are weird to hold, and the battery life is short enough as it is with our chunky battery.

is it confirmed there making one? id like a bigger screen and a dual core, but thats about all.

Nothing specific other than saying they are not retiring the brand and hope to release a new version in the future.

I'd possibly be going on the crazy end of the spectrum for a great sidekick 4g/5g/lte whatev
5" screen with a keyboard that slides out (similar to the OQO model 2) with a full qwerty like the sidekick but with aswell a mouse button.
REAL GORILLA GLASS!!
on the face of the device would be captive touch buttons similar to ones found on the captivate/vibrant
A Texas instrument based cpu dual core preferably (TI because they are more friendly with source code)
1gb of ram
8gb internal memory aswell as a microSD slot
petaband radio similar to the one in the galaxy note so it will work just about anywyere with gsm
HDMI output
Sound chipset that has background filtering
ICS with as little reskinning as possible
probably will never happen but a mad man can dream can't he?

pintek said:
on the face of the device would be captive touch buttons similar to ones found on the captivate/vibrant
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Why? The reason I own the SK4G is that it is the only phone besides the G1 with a 5-row keyboard and Hard-buttons. Making the hard-buttons capacitive is a deal-breaker for me! At least the Back button must be clicky hardware, not "don't know if I pressed it or not" and "sometimes press it by mistake" capacitive soft-buttons).
If this phone had updated processor/memory, a better camera with flash (or awesome low-light performance), and a brighter edge-to-edge high-res screen, it would be perfect. NFC and HDMI-out would be a bonus.

I really like the design on this device(slightly tilted screen, physical buttons, GREAT keyboard), so I wouldn't mind if they continued this train of thought. But yeah, more RAM would be a must, to hopefully prevent the freezing and rebooting problems. And for me, a 3.7 in. screen would be cool, and a better camera. And also, improve the trackpad.

I know what we need. Replace the utterly useless micro optical trackpad! Give us a ball, a nub, a much bigger optical trackpad, ANYTHING!
Also, an inverted T set of arrow keys in the keyboard would be spectacular.

TI OMAP Processor
2GB RAM
16GB/32GB Variants
Android 4.0.4
4" Screen Gorilla Glass
Slide-out Keyboard

Reviewers said:
TI OMAP Processor
2GB RAM
16GB/32GB Variants
Android 4.0.4
4" Screen Gorilla Glass
Slide-out Keyboard
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sounds expensive

HewettBR said:
sounds expensive
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Sounds like the S3 but better.
Sounds like a Galaxy Nexus 2.

10" screen
100 QuBits RAM
Slide out 5 row keyboard
9 Terahertz Quint core processor
And a particle accelerator attachment
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monkor said:
Slide out 5 row keyboard
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lol. See, at least one thing on that ultimate list is obtainable. Too bad the phone mfgs don't get it and make more of them.

With a screen that big, you could have a Function Key row and a number pad! It will end up looking like the new tablet with a slide out keyboard..

ncmacasl said:
With a screen that big, you could have a Function Key row and a number pad! It will end up looking like the new tablet with a slide out keyboard..
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LOL that would look ridiculous
Sent from my Sensation using XDA

If there's going to be another sidekick, i'd avoid it like the plague if it's from samsung again. It says a lot when they get the keyboard drivers wrong on at least two phones. Also, touchwiz.
Here's what i'm hoping on the next sidekick, if we see another one:
- Dual core 1 GHz or more CPU
- 1GB RAM
- 5 row keyboard
- 4 inch screen (i don't mind bigger, but i think 4 inch is the most likely size, and should please most people)
- 960x540 screen (800x480 is getting a little outdated, though it's still a good resolution)
... and interestingly enough, this phone leaked a few days back with similar specs i listed, and i'm already eyeing it: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-Cayenne_id7120
I don't know the general opinion of LG around here, but I've had a good experience with my ancient LG GW620 and its lovely 5 row keyboard, though it was slow as hell and uses a CPU that's even older than the G1.

Jax184 said:
I know what we need. Replace the utterly useless micro optical trackpad! Give us a ball, a nub, a much bigger optical trackpad, ANYTHING!
Also, an inverted T set of arrow keys in the keyboard would be spectacular.
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The optical trackthing is useless, agreed. The sun and other heat sources create more input on it than I do. Or did, before I disabled it and forgot about its existence.
Real arrow keys would be nice, but I remapped the insipid smiley key to the up arrow, and the only-ever-pressed-accidentally microphone key to down arrow. So I can at least get around in my command history.
Apart from that, as others have said, more RAM (I'll go so far as to say 1.5 GB), although I don't really feel the need for a faster processor. 5 GHz 802.11n would be nice.
And last but not least... better code drops from the manufacturer. Samsung and T-Mobile did the bare minimum to comply with the GPL. TI internals would be a good start. Fewer proprietary peripherals, more open ones.
And under no circumstances may the keyboard be reduced in number of rows, spacing, or tactile quality.

I want my d-pad and hardware trackball back.
And, I want my pop/swivel hinge back.
There's no harm in putting that d-pad back. I am tired of hearing people that play games on their phone complain that a phone looks like you could play a game on it.
Devolution is real.

As a SK supporter since the day i had to plug my redic dot matrix camera into my bric err cinderblock black and white OG sidekick "1g" and my mr cartoon sk2 and the overhyped overpriced no difference but a lil thinner and a flashy rollerball with same booty screen sk3 (they lost me to crackberry during the whole slide lx dwade ed 07 08 09 new sk every month bs) id like to say the typical dual core 4+ inch screen 1gb+ ram as most but by the time this thing actually would come out u gotta imagine the landscape of the future androids. ics is already internally being considered a flop or to be politically correct a "gateway"(windoze me millenium ed if u will)to intertwine both tablet and phone interfaces and to make way for the more slightly desktop interfaced and integrated android 5 already in testing and rumored to make a q4 this year debut...so in other words q3 next yr if we r lucky.(its coming eventually, phone tablet and chromebooks all running the same android) so seeing how the sidekick has historically been behind the ball as far as tech ill just be happy with a galaxy s2 running ics built into a SK package. i tried to pretend when i 1st upgraded to the s2 with a bt keyboard and rigged case but nothing and i mean nothing out today beats the sidekick layout and keyboard. give me the s2 guts in a sk package and a below 500 pricetag a year from today and im happy, bigger higher res screen is a must but for petes sake...dont forget the freaking camera flash this time!
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orange808 said:
I want my d-pad and hardware trackball back.
And, I want my pop/swivel hinge back.
There's no harm in putting that d-pad back. I am tired of hearing people that play games on their phone complain that a phone looks like you could play a game on it.
Devolution is real.
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prefer but dont really care about the hinge but ditto on the rollerball, tho it jams with dust and the d pad. this new joystick sucks balls. btw while we r dreaming. quad core the b 2gb ram 32gb internal 64gb external sdxc and a 5 inch hd screen 8+MP cam w/flash! all with the sidekick layout/keyboard and id shell out 1500 bucks right now lol samsung would prolly just jack it up with gingerbread or some crap

I'm quite happy with the hinge design we have now. It's very strong and solid. Much more so than the classic Sidekick mechanism. I've yet to see a Sidekick 4G with the screen broken off. But I've seen older sidekicks in two pieces.
I suspect it also allows the phone to be thinner, but I can't confirm that.

Samsung GS4 vs HTC One - which features do you think are actually better on the GS4?

Rather than having 500000000 threads comparing GS4 to One, put all your thoughts in here.
Don't forget to vote.
Here is a good list posted by -]Megacharge[- - which I think most would agree with - if you came to the thread looking for quick overview, here it is:
S4:
-Bigger screen
-Removable storage
-Removable battery
-Can use screen with gloves on
-Marginally faster benchmark scores in the S600 version
-Much faster benchmark scores in the Exynos version
-TouchWiz including a bunch of S-software (which some people may find useful - HTC's betting on design as their number one selling point. Samsung's doing the same with software features)
-IR LED (TV Remote)
-Android 4.2.2
[Gorilla Glass 3, 1.9MHz clock speed, DDR3, thinner, lighter, bigger display in smaller footprint]
One:
-Higher PPI and color accuracy
-Design
-IR LED (TV Remote)
-Dual front facing speakers (great speakers)
-Dual membrane mics
-Sense 5 (incredibly fluid with no lag and looks more "adult" than touchwiz)
-Low light camera performance
-Android 4.1.2
[Gorilla Glass 2, 1.7MHz clock speed, DDR2, chunkier, a little heavier, aluminium body]

Your intentions may be pure but you can't expect commentors to follow suit you'll be bombarded with opinions and border line exaggerations u should try android general
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Honestly not much. The hard ware is close to identical. As far as software goes I don't really pay to much attention as I would flash CM. To either.
GS4
Better GPU
Lighter
Battery life
Faster CPU clock
Bigger Screen
HTC
Aluminum body
More PPI
Looks better imho
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djbenny1 said:
This is not a troll thread - though I suspect it will be perceived as such.
I honestly want to know what it is people think is actually better about the GS4.
I'm sure some people will say "everything" but please vote for one, and then comment on why.
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Sadly this thread will turn into a flame war and will get shut down with the quickness. They both have their pros and cons.
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda premium

I'm not going to even comment on this thread (from now on) - my opinions will be kept entirely to myself.
I am honestly just curious.
PS - don't just comment - vote!
FYI I voted for Dev Support as I think we all know it will sell more.

Swisser said:
Honestly not much. The hard ware is close to identical. As far as software goes I don't really pay to much attention as I would flash CM. To either.
GS4
Better GPU
Lighter
Battery life
Faster CPU clock
Bigger Screen
HTC
Aluminum body
More PPI
Looks better imho
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
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You said aluminum body + looks better, don't they go together? HTC is trying very hard to sell its "premium look" more than anything else
Swyped from another galaxy

LOOkS and BUILD QUALITY-htc wins..
CPU - samsung.. because having those a15 is really gonna help that 1080 screen on heavy tasks..
GPU- samsung again.. people who game will really find it better.. and it being power vr means games wil get better optimized faster amd be better on the s4..
SD slot, removable battery- samsung
MUSIC HEADPHONE quality- no idea.. but beats suck
And dont know if samsung is using that wolfson dac which is good af
SCREEN- no one wins .subjective.. I love amoleds and that 1080 amoled looks sexy. But the htc also has one hell of an lcd screen
UI- subjective.. I find sense better but blinkfeed is nonsense. But touchwiz is functional
DEVELOPMENT- samsung... and S- off sucks..lol..
BATTERY- Ssamsung.. looking at samsungs history of phones, they always had better battery.. I heard htc one has come up though.. byt u bet the new s4 will be even better than the s3 and htc one
Samsung also has some extra features which maybe considered as gimmicks.. but zoe,drama shot , erase features and other editing stuffs are in both..
I might buy both... htc for that built, but in the end samsung for that power and development wins it all
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HTC has louder sound and better on speakers.
HTC is full of metal vs Samsung plastic - so better build quality.
HTC has better AnTuTu scores and higher clock. (GSIV has 1.6Ghz - says gsmarena.com).
HTC has famous "Sense" which is way better than Touchwiz in my opinion.
HTC's camera is better on dark places.
HTC is more compact.
HTC has better xda development. (Exynos is bad documentated and HTC already has great devs workin' on it - and yeah team Venom).
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Not sure about GPU, I'd say Samsung is better.
Samsung has bigger screen.
Samsung has head moving are pausing things
Floating touch (I would turn it off but I would say floating touch games maybe - that would be interesting).
Samsung will update its device way more than HTC to newer android versions.
Samsung has external SD up to 64GB. So you could have impressing 126GB of memory for your files!
Samsung has better camera in my opinion.
Samsung has bigger battery.
Samsung is more sold device - more support (bit that doesn't mean anything).
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Tie:
AMOLED vs SLCD - depends on person.
Hard to break or easily removable battery.
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Overall HTC is better as "pure android experience or AOSP and pure performance and great made phone".
And Sammy software things and functionality.
But I think I am going for HTC if screen is big enough.
I tried to do review not being fanboy of both!

Swisser said:
Honestly not much. The hard ware is close to identical. As far as software goes I don't really pay to much attention as I would flash CM. To either.
GS4
Better GPU
Lighter
Battery life
Faster CPU clock
Bigger Screen
HTC
Aluminum body
More PPI
Looks better imho
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I thought the GPU was the same?
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Removable storage is pretty much the key reason for me. I really don't understand why manufacturers chose not to include such an obvious feature in their devices...

MichaelMcEntire said:
I thought the GPU was the same?
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No.lol.. the gpu in internationao s4 is powervr.. the one iphones and ipads use
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I'll break this down to two simple facts.
1. Expandable storage is a deal breaker for me. The One has no expandable storage, so when you run out of space, you're done - time to start eating up your mobile data plan for cloud services. Deal breaker.
2. S-Off is terrible. Something tells me one reason HTC stopped providing expandable storage slots in their phones is due to the way the Vivid had to be S-Off'ed. You have to short out a contact point on the phone's main board with the ground on the SD slot to hack the damn S-Off. Maybe this was a major flaw and combined with other reasons, they just decided they would scrap the storage slot altogether. Without S-Off, the whole process of flashing new ROMs becomes more tedious and annoying. And let's not forget that you can scrap the idea of flashing new radios to your device if you can't S-Off an HTC phone. HTC is not too developer-friendly lately...
Is it even possible to S-Off the One X or X+? I haven't looked at those boards in detail in quite a while.
Wow that was a long answer for two simple facts.
Sent from my HTC PH39100...soon to be Galaxy S4.

The fact that Samsung seems to be listening to their customers (unlike HTC), is what does it.
Advantages of the One:
-Premium build, subjectively better design
-Camera optimized for low-light environments
-Screen is objectively better at accurate color reproduction
-Stereo speakers
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Is that what customers want? Some, sure. But it seems like HTC is playing Apple's form > function game. And they won't win, because their software, battery life and camera are not up to par.
What does the S4 have?
-Packs a larger display into a body that is smaller, slimmer and lighter than the S3 (yet people will still go around complaining that 5" is 'just too big'), more ergonomic than the hard edges of the One's design
-Display benefits from power savings of PenTile matrix while the resolution nullifies any complaints about its perceived sharpness; EDIT: actually, the display utilizes a new, brighter PHOLED technology and a completely different PenTile 'diamond' matrix that seems to address most complaints about the S3's display on their own
-Display is subjectively better then the One's for some—AND has built-in screen tuning options for those that want accurate, natural colors (Movie/Cinema mode on the S3/Note 2 is comparable to sRGB emulation mode on a wide gamut monitor in my own side-by-side comparisons)
-Display's infinite contrast is objectively better, and the lower reflectivity and sunlight legibility is something other manufacturers have fallen behind with their 1080p displays
-Superior homegrown SoC (although I have no idea why the U.S. is stuck with Qualcomm again with all the new LTE tech the Exynos chipset has); people knocking the big.LITTLE architecture seem to be ignoring the purpose of it (it's not just 'twice as many cores' or 'not-really-eight-cores')
-1.7mm thinner than the One, yet it packs a larger, removable battery and microSD slot (deja vu)
-USB 3.0 on the Exynos
-TouchWiz is better than Sense, despite subjectivity over appearance: lighter, smoother, less buggy, closer to vanilla Android in functionality and packed with extra features (many which are actually useful) that can be easily turned off—vs. a bloated interface that tries to undermine the Android interface and sticks you with homescreen limitations like a Flipboard knock-off that can't be fully disabled; I personally find Sense even uglier than TouchWiz with its mix of colorful icons and flat black theming
-A camera that, for another generation in a row, doesn't ruin its image quality with overaggressive noise reduction and processing like HTC's offerings, while packing as many features as one would want into the camera app (like the ability to make animated GIF's with static backgrounds easily)
-Battery life that is sure to surpass its predecessor, unlike the lackluster battery performance seen in the One/Butterfly/DNA
-Gorilla Glass 3 over the One's Gorilla Glass 2
-Unified delivery to all carriers, while the One's future on a major carrier like Verizon is still just rumors
-Latest JellyBean 4.2.2 vs. One's JellyBean 4.1, and not only a much better commitment to and delivery of updates than HTC, but a commitment to and delivery of bringing new software features to older flagship devices when they don't depend on new hardware
-The ability to run ANY two apps side-by-side on the screen at the same time for multitasking—and the ability to run pop-up apps like the browser, video player, calculator, etc. on top of that
-Not only are features like the delivered Air Gestures and Eye Scroll useful and polished (maybe not so much with Eye Scroll's polish), but Floating Touch is major: completely new and unique screen tech that essentially gives you a mouse cursor for hovering, which is a boon for web browsing and Adobe Flash
-Unlocked bootloader vs. the One's locked bootloader (despite all the negative feedback HTC received previously)
While the S4 might not blow anyone away at first glance, it's clear that Samsung pays attention to things that matter when it comes to using your device, down to the details that everyone else seems to overlook. The One is a beautiful phone to look at and hold, but beyond that it holds the same disappointments that held HTC back the last time around.

GGXtreme said:
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I hope you're joking.

I know many people are not fans of the home button, but I use the hell out of it my S3 and I prefer to use it when activating the display from sleep mode. Many times when my phone is just laying on the table, I can just hit the home button and swipe down for messages or to change songs etc. I just find it much more easy to access than the power button. I do prefer the look of the HTC over the S4.

GGXtreme said:
The fact that Samsung seems to be listening to their customers (unlike HTC), is what does it.
Advantages of the One:
-Premium build, subjectively better design
-Camera optimized for low-light environments
-Screen is objectively better at accurate color reproduction
-Stereo speakers
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Stereo speakers on a device that small, the HTC One, is pointless anyway. The whole point of stereo is so you can differentiate the sounds in each ear, thereby creating the stereo effect. With two speakers so close together, the sounds will mesh together by the time they hit your ears anyway, making a more monaural sound.
I think the only real advantage HTC has is the build quality of the phone. But that advantage is moot to me because I always put a nice case on whatever phone I buy.
Sent from my HTC PH39100.

vapotrini said:
I hope you're joking.
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Please point out any errors in my reasoning. I think I made a decent case, care to actually make one yourself?

When you compare the two there's not a lot that's unique going for the One except for it's beautiful all-aluminum design and dual speakers. The fact that it's the same physical size (while being thicker and heavier) as the SGS4 with last year's 4.7" display size isn't going to help it. Here's a quick run down comparing the two. It was the answer to "why would anyone buy the SGS4 over the One" from thier forum.
Larger 5" SAMOLED display with vibrant colors
Thinner and lighter with other dimensions being near equal
13MP camera (more detail)
Better battery life, bigger and removable battery
Replaceable back cover if its damaged
Expandable storage
Gorilla Glass 3 (versus 2)
Android 4.2.2 (vs. 4.1.2, at least for now)
Dual Camera (insert yourself in to photos you take)
Drama Shot (a simpler Zoe)
Sound and Shot to record voice comments on still photos
Story Album to create and send printed photo albums
Share Music to turn multiple SGS4's in to surround sound
Group Play to share content across multiple devices without the need for a Wi-FI connection
S-Translator integrated in to multiple apps like e-mail and the stock browser
Smart Pause/Smart Scroll to use your eyes to control the device
All the existing motion and voice controls Samsung provides in TW
Air View to expand content by hovering your finger over it
A display you can use with gloves on
S Voice Drive which maximizes the size of what's displayed and allows motion and voice to control things you use when driving
Optical Reader integrated in to stock apps to import data via the camera
S Health to track weight, blood pressure, exercise, etc.
I'll take a stab at the One's advantages over the SGS4. For the sake of discussion assume the SGS4 being compared against is an LTE version running S-600 too. Things like LCD vs. AMOLED and Sense vs. TW are obviously based on personal preference.
Beautiful all-aluminum unibody design
LCD display with bright realistic colors
Sense’s more aesthetically pleasing appearance
UltraPixels (better low light performance)
Dual front facing speakers
Zoe
BlinkFeed
It’s not made by Samsung (for the haters )
Other than Zoe and BlinkFeed Sense 5 is carry over from earlier versions. Even LG's doing a lot more with s/w than HTC. The lack of s/w features, whether they are real or gimmicks, is going to hurt the One with the masses who like "more" rather than less; especially at the same price.
LG already offers several special apps on its Android smartphones, like QSlide for viewing two apps at once on a device's display and QRemote for controlling home entertainment gear. Today LG expanded is software offerings with another new feature dubbed "Smart Video." According to LG, Smart Video takes advantage of eye recognition technology to track a user's eye movements while he or she is watching a video and, when it detects that user isn't looking at the device's display, it will pause the clip automatically. Playback will resume when the device detects that the user is once again looking at the screen. LG says that Smart Video will be rolled out soon as part of a Value Pack update. In addition to Smart Video, the Value Pack will include a Dual Camera feature that will take photos using the front and back cameras simultaneously, Magic Remote Keypad and Text Keypad additions to the QRemote app, Video Pause/Resume that will allow users to stop and start while capturing a video to create one continuous clip, and a set of color emoticons. The Smart LED Lighting surrounding the LG Optimus G Pro's physical home button will also be updated to allow users to assign colors to specific contacts.​

Toleraen said:
Removable storage is pretty much the key reason for me. I really don't understand why manufacturers chose not to include such an obvious feature in their devices...
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I don't understand this storage business if the minimum available storage option for a phone is 32GB?
How many things do most people put on their phones? All the people I know who own a GS3 have a 16GB model with no micro SD card and they continuously make the lack of expandable storage on recent phones a big deal.
At the moment I have no idea which one I want more, I will likely get the GS4 because HTC One has a good chance at not showing up on Verizon. (entirely Verizon's fault though, looks like Verizon has been screwing over HTC for quite awhile recently, the lack of expandable storage was due to Verizon not HTC on the DNA; and the One's availability looks like to be another Verizon issue; I also am pretty positive for it developement being slightly better than the DNA since it is multicarrier)
I do really like the GS4 though, it's design was something I did not like on the GS3 either though.

TingTingin said:
Your intentions may be pure but you can't expect commentors to follow suit you'll be bombarded with opinions and border line exaggerations u should try android general
PHONE SLOW CLICK ME?
1 days 2 s4​
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This is one of the least trolly forums. Go hang on youtube for a while, the bottom of the internet comments there..​

THIS ANDROID PHONE: Why won't ANY manufacturer make it???

A decade ago to yesterday, there's been so many developments in mobile technology....we used to see a release of 1 or 2 types of phones to suit certain markets/demographics. Now; rather than seeing this, it's generally unheard of, or extremely uncommon for a big manufacturer to release fewer than 6-10 different types of phones in a calendar year. So my question is this; with the market so heavily flooded with competition of making and selling the best smartphone and so much more variety and pricepoints to choose from, WHY in the BLUE hell can 1 manufacturer NOT make this?? ---
These are of course, my personal preferences and some features or functions I'm sure m,any of you can live without. But that's my point; these features/functions are NOT big changes or improvements, so living without is really not acceptable when all of these can be made and found on ONE device:
Screen/body size and type - Just give me something that looks vibrant, accurate AND is comfortable to operate in ONE hand
Not only that, just let it fit easily in and out of my pocket!
The trend has been pretty obvious - smart phones and screens are getting bigger! As a result over the last 5-6 years, screen sizes have become ridiculously large and now phablets are a 'thing'.
5" is probably the ideal screen size. The dimensions of my Huawei P10+ seem rather acceptable for me, at: 153.5 x 74.2 x 7 mm (6.04 x 2.92 x 0.28 in)
We should be championing better technology of 2K AMOLED or OLED screens and not falling back to cost cutting with crappy 720/1080p FHD TFT LCD types
LED Notification Light - I care about notifications without having to pick up[ my phone to check it!
Just give me something where I have control over the colour/intensity and frequency and stop locking these features away.
The LED notification light has shrunk from a large vibrant size to the pin-head size we can barely make out on phones that currently adopt it.
I'm in Australia and care about fast download speeds; so until 5G is here, give me band 28 - 700Mhz
My carrier and most phones support the 4G network, or Telstra's '4GX'. So I need a phone with the capability and to not offer it (or lock certain bands down) is preposterous.
DUAL SIM popularity is increasing and I want this capability for personal AND work purposes!
Dual-active! Not dual standy-by; because 2G is switched off in my country. Give me 3G/4G dual or 4G/4G with the abilty to switch off data (for 1 SIM) if I don't need or want it.
I have friends carrying 2 phones and one carrying 3 phones around, which IMO is utterly pointless. One truly 'smart' phone will do, thanks.
Technological advancements allow it, so why not make it? TWO sim slots with the microSD card that --DOES NOT-- take up a SIM slot: #separateslot
Is it really asking so much to have a dual SIM phone with microSD card slot as an extra slot for memory?
Seriously! You know what...If it is, then just give me inbuilt memory of 32GB bare minimum inside the phone itself. If one manufacturer can do it, all can.
Camera - High quality point and shoot in low light will no that can take a pretty decent video
12mp minimum rear-shooter with f1.8. Ideally I want to take 4K videos at 30fps as well with good stabilisation
I'm not a selfie-maniac, so anything from a 5mp and UP as a front shooter camera at f2 is fine for me
Every year I see these changes in camera types, megapixel and feature rich enhancements...yet my P10+ fails to take good quality sharp images in medium to low light. Some cameras like my P10+ over-saturate in post production...one of many adjustments manufacturers make within their apps. Just give me a pretty basic 12-13mp camera that is top of its class for taking brilliant sharp pictures in any light but also able to shoot good video at 30 or 60fps 1080p and 4k videos at least 30fps; nothing too fancy, just minimum expected these days.
Accessibility is everything - so give me what all-half decent phones have today...
Bluebooth (4.0 minimum)
NFC
WIFI 802.11ac, DLNA, WiFi Direct, Hotspot
All the sensors for smartphones; accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass
Wireless charging
Why are Samsung seemingly the ones ones who want to offer this?
I can go without, but don't see why so many manufacturers who do offer this, cut so many other corners on other features mentioned here
A newish OS without excessive bloatware
I'd be happy with Android 7 Nougat or 8 (Oreo). Take off the bloat and give me the basic apps required on the phone without locking them down
CPU/RAM - Just give me a chip which handles dual-active SIM's with battery efficiency
I'm happy with a 4GB amount of RAM. It doesn't need to be 6GB or above top of the line.
Look at Asus Zenfone 2 from 2015. It handled dual-active SIM slots using Intel Atom Z3580 Quad-core 2.3 GHz with GPU PowerVR G6430. I'd suggest 3 years on from this release, anything above this will do...as this is really, a bare minimum.
Can't forget about connectivity - the basic ports will do
- USB Type C (USB 3.0 idea) with fast charge capabilities
- 3.5mm headphone jack; even though I'm moving to a bluetooth ear or headphones, the port should still exist for users who want and need it
- REAR MOUNTED Fingerprint sensor
While I'm not fussed, I liked the idea of LG v20's fingerprint sensor which doubled as a power button. 2 in 1. Also hard to accidentally knock if it's in a case. I can't stand front facing sensors, it's much more easy and convenient to whip the phone out of your pocket and lock without having to get your thumb fiddling with front sensors.
Battery technologies and improvements have been made, so STOP giving us 3000mAh to 3200!
If Huawei and other manufacturers can do it, why can't all phones by 3600 to 4000mAh at minimum now?
Infrared (IR) blaster. WHY is this a dying art?!
If your phone can be used as a backup remote for your TV, set top box, air con years ago, then why is this economical option disappearing from phones? Include one!
If we truly want to make an all in one device and have it be really smart, give it an IR blaster, or even a sensor for learning other IR remotes.
I do not need me phone to
- Be an all metal design; if plastic helps boost the mobile/data signal then I'll just use a case on it!
- Be WATERPROOF; unlike all those idiots with videos on youtube, scratching, dropping, burning and swimming with their phones. DONT need it! Splashproof maybe.
- Be squeezed for a certain action to take place
- have a 99.5% "screen to body" ratio. This is silly, just give me a good screen!
- Have one over-the-top insanely expensive feature, like a 22mp camera; or 8GB of RAM
- Destroy all geeky benchmarks. Nope. Just perform standard or above average. One that performs will with multi-tasking apps, the occasional games and FHD video playbacks
So what do you think? Agree/disagree? If apps or key features like controlling certain pro camera features or changing the LED notification light colour is locked down, the manufacturer needs to open this up up their consumers who will want to use the phone in their own way. Googling phone by feature and popping these features in yields no results, and only 3 or 4 phones come fairly close. LG v20 and P10+ which has a faint LED light and lacks system root; only OS root.
/end rant
RoOSTA

No one likes the idea of a smartphone with those features?
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There's been hundreds of these posts/threads over the years. Everyone has their own idea of a perfect phone, most of which will differ completely to yours (There's several things i would have that you haven't mentioned and 4 things you don't want, i do).
Not sure what kind of answer you are expecting to a rant about phone specs on a hacking forum - This would be better directed at the actual manufacturers.

Perhaps that's the idea of a forum..? Shares thoughts, interests and ideas...and this is general smart phone discussion isn't it? Have you found sending a single request as a sole consumer to manufacturers has helped (and led to actual product development in the past) ? Don't think so.
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My post still stands. Yes the iea of a forum is to share ideas - Yours is a rant.
And yes, i have made a change with a manufacturer (In vaping) by myself (In the correct place).

So share it?
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