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So I'd like the experts to weigh in on this one: I'm pretty sure I'm getting the Touch Pro but I'd like to know the pros/cons of going the sprint route vs. the AT&T route. Do the same cooked roms on this site work on both, or only on the GSM (AT&T) version of the phone? Do people find the CDMA network faster/slower than the GSM network for Data (i.e. how do their 3G speeds compare). What other features might be different? And I know there's been some confusion on release dates but has that been cleared up at all?
...Part of me wants to wait and see if the Touch HD Pro will come out (HD w/ QWERTY) but I don't know if I can wait that long, and if it's only released for Europe w/out US 3G that'd suck...
Thanks all for your help!
I'd also like to see a good summary of the differences with the 2 providers. I'm probably going to be leaving Verizon for this phone.
I'd also read that the Touch HD would not be released in the US - so I'm pretty much counting on the Touch Pro.
jumping along with this one
Somebody can give more details, but I can still pitch in a little bit.
I'm from Canada so I can't really pitch in for pros/con for T-Mobile/AT&T. One advice is to get a real good look at the 3G coverage because ultimately that can be a big factor depending where you live/go.
From what I read, I wouldn't hold my breath for the HD, apparently it's currently not planned for North America. One with a keyboard is even a longer shot because of it's size, making it thicker would pretty much make it a huge phone, don't know if there's a big market for that.
As for the ROM, I saw that Elite Team is talking about making a CDMA rom, but in this forum, you will find much more GSM material. I believe that the North America user are not a huge proportion of the user base, so it explains why most of the talk is revolving around GSM.
Hope this helps a bit in your decision, overall the TP is very nice and I think the custom ROMs in this forum can make it a greater phone!
That definitely helps - If it makes a difference in terms of which service would be better, i live in the NYC area and so getting the coverage on either network wouldn't be an issue. I've heard good things about the sprint high speed network, but haven't used their service in like 5yrs, so have no idea if they've gotten better or worse since then.
In any case, the features of each phone look pretty comparable. It's not like the sprint phone will have some sort of killer app that the AT&T version wouldn't have.
I guess time will tell once people actually start using these and comparing notes on them. Is "Sprint TV" anything? I know that comes with the sprint version but have no idea what it is.
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That definitely helps - If it makes a difference in terms of which service would be better, i live in the NYC area and so getting the coverage on either network wouldn't be an issue. I've heard good things about the sprint high speed network, but haven't used their service in like 5yrs, so have no idea if they've gotten better or worse since then.
In any case, the features of each phone look pretty comparable. It's not like the sprint phone will have some sort of killer app that the AT&T version wouldn't have.
I guess time will tell once people actually start using these and comparing notes on them. Is "Sprint TV" anything? I know that comes with the sprint version but have no idea what it is.
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sprint tv is tv on the go u get channels like nfl network , disney, and cnn live,but most of the channels arent live just clips and stuff...the only difference i see with them is the fuze took away the number row and replaced it with symbols, as far as networks i dont know whos is better, but sprints $15 data plan comes with sprint tv and you get 3g with att u have the pay for internet then if u want 3g then u have to pay a extra $10, but that mite just be for the iphone
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I believe that the North America user are not a huge proportion of the user base, so it explains why most of the talk is revolving around GSM.
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I take offense to you lumping me, a GSM user, in with the likes of Verizon and Sprint.
A co-worker of mine has the Vogue (CDMA Touch) on Verizon, and it's total BS what you have to go through when you flash a new radio or ROM to the device. Verizon uses something called an "A-Key" to authenticate you to their data network, and that key is wiped out on radio flashes (sometimes ROM flashes), so you constantly have to call Verizon to have them resend you a key to allow data connections (ALL data, not just ICS) to work.
...and Sprint has registry keys built into their ROMs to prevent ICS from working. Admittedly, this annoyance has a much easier workaround that Verizon's, but it's still BS.
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...with att u have the pay for internet then if u want 3g then u have to pay a extra $10, but that mite just be for the iphone
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AT&T has several different data packages available, and the device you have determines your choices, but all of them connect to 3G without additional fees.
Att All The Way!
As an owner of the FUZE. I can tell you I love this phone. The ATT version will a little different because it’s GSM. Forget the TV that any device comes with and get a Sling Box.
- Change your SIM to a cheap phone when you go Drinking or to the beach or overseas!
- Video Share, although not used a lot I use it and love it!
- Push To Talk, Again not really used a lot but its there.
Wow I sound like I work for ATT or something!
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As an owner of the FUZE. I can tell you I love this phone. The ATT version will a little different because it’s GSM. Forget the TV that any device comes with and get a Sling Box.
- Change your SIM to a cheap phone when you go Drinking or to the beach or overseas!
- Video Share, although not used a lot I use it and love it!
- Push To Talk, Again not really used a lot but its there.
Wow I sound like I work for ATT or something!
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definetly like being able to pop the sim in a crappy phone
wich my 8525 will be soon enough
The other thing to remember is Sprint is really struggling right now and may not be around much longer. If you do travel anywhere outside of the US and want to take your phone, you will want GSM. Just my 2 cents.
Sprint is better in my opinion
sprint evdo rev a is $15/month which is the fastest mobile speed you can get in the US, versus ATT 3G $30/month which much slower (i have compared a mogul versus 3g iphone, and the mogul(ppc-6800) is reasonably faster)
sprint $15 unlimited texting
ATT $20 unlimited texting
this all comes down to what your friends have?, because if you talk alot and your friends/family has att, then just go with them since mobile to mobile is unlimited and vice versa if you have sprint friends/family.
also, the previous poster is correct in the sense that sprint is obviously not good outside the US and for switching phones all the time.
sprint is using a dying technology (cdma) but at this time, there is no denying that it is the fastest data in U.S. and sprint has alot of coverage nation wide.
i think it will be a couple of years before CDMA is completely out of the picture and anyone buying the touch pro will on to their next phone at that point.
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sprint evdo rev a is $15/month which is the fastest mobile speed you can get in the US, versus ATT 3G $30/month which much slower (i have compared a mogul versus 3g iphone, and the mogul(ppc-6800) is reasonably faster)
sprint $15 unlimited texting
ATT $20 unlimited texting
this all comes down to what your friends have?, because if you talk alot and your friends/family has att, then just go with them since mobile to mobile is unlimited and vice versa if you have sprint friends/family.
also, the previous poster is correct in the sense that sprint is obviously not good outside the US and for switching phones all the time.
sprint is using a dying technology (cdma) but at this time, there is no denying that it is the fastest data in U.S. and sprint has alot of coverage nation wide.
i think it will be a couple of years before CDMA is completely out of the picture and anyone buying the touch pro will on to their next phone at that point.
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i agree with basically everything you said. The phones are basically the same, and flashing sprint phones doesn't take anything special besides making sure the Rom/Kitchen is designed for Sprint. Which most of the ones on ppcgeeks.com are on sprint first anyways sometimes only sprint.
but if you do international traveling I would definitely get the ATT version, just so all you have to do is pop in a different SIM card.
But ultimately it just comes down to which plan you can get for cheaper I'd say, like for the same minutes/data.
I travel a lot. Several times a week, and both nationally and internationally.
I use the Kaiser on ATT, and unless I am out in the middle of God's country (like, say, Carroll Iowa... don't ask), I find 3G and H all over.
I haven't used Sprint in forever.... but, as far as data goes, ATT seems to have pretty great coverage.
Making it simple:
Sprint
+Cheaper plans
+slightly better up/down speeds (especially factoring in the iphone factor)
-Harder to Flash (?, based on what's said here)
AT&T
+Usable internationally
+Easier to flash (again, based on whats said here)
-Data more expensive unless you lie to AT&T about your device (possibly causing a huge bill someday)
-Data speeds a bit slower
beyond that I couldn't say much more that isn't placebo or really effected by too many other factors... Traditionally Sprint phones will use more power then their GSM counterparts.. but there's a lotta factors involved in this issue
Also, with the Sprint CDMA network you don't get the annoying sound of speakers freaking out when you walk around and your phone does things in your pocket, unlike the AT&T GSM network.
Although if you like to be a pain, you may prefer the speaker interference caused by GSM phones.
Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out. It's especially annoying in meetings when there is a conferance phone with speakers near all of the seats. I have to leave my phone at my desk! Not to mention the 9 billion dropped calls i get with this damn thing!
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Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out. It's especially annoying in meetings when there is a conferance phone with speakers near all of the seats. I have to leave my phone at my desk! Not to mention the 9 billion dropped calls i get with this damn thing!
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if you turn the data off the speakers shouldnt be affected unless a text comes in
I read somewhere that verizon wireless is also going to carry the touch pro.
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I read somewhere that verizon wireless is also going to carry the touch pro.
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yes this has been known
but it isnt really in teh same league since they are cutting the processor and ram and also removing the tilt sensor
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Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out.
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It's half true only.
The noise which you hear through speaker only appears when you're in GSM/GPRS/EDGE mode but not in 3G UMTS/HSDPA mode. Furthermore, all GSM phones on any carrier all around the world will do the same.
I recently picked up 2 MT3GS' and an HD2.
The Slide was great, my first Android phone and it knocked my socks off, but I wanted something closer to the 1GHz spectrum with a few more bells and whistles.
The HD2, although it had some great guts, it was pretty sluggish. SPB Shell and some custom ROMS helped a bit, but it wasn't what I had hoped for; didn't meet my expectations especially when stacked against the Slide.
Then, because my wife and I agreed on a few things, we decided to return the phones in hopes of getting something better. Now in hindsight, that may have been unwise as I did this the morning of, or the day before the 'major HD2 breakthrough', and word of SLIDEMEROOT5.
Enter: Facepalm!
No sense looking back and wallowing in a bit of regret. So, I'm moving on and am looking for advice on replacement devices
I've done some research, scouring the web for pros/cons, and while there is no ultimate phone, some do come close. If you haven't already picked up on this, I'm a TMO customer so I'm only interested in phones that support T-Mobile's HSPA+ (1700/2100 MHz, AWS Band) network.
The Nexus One seems to be getting loads of attention with new apps & hacks, roms and other nifty bells and whistles nearly every day. Needless to say I was a bit jealous and felt slighted when I had the Slide. The Nexus One in my eyes is like the tried & true Android phone that's hard to go wrong with.
The Galaxy S is looking mighty nice and the touchscreen appears to handle multitouch very well, but I'm concerned about how well it will perform. Is 1GHz really 1Ghz? How does their Hummingbird stack up against the Snapdragon? Is one processor better than the other?
Verizon's Droid X is looking great ... but its Verizon. I'm enjoying TMO's 3G quite a bit so if they make a GSM version that supports HSPA+, then maybe we have a winner. (Does anyone know if this is happening?)
Storage space isn't that big of a deal for me - sd cards are there.
Photo and video quality is fairly important so I'm looking for 720p
Not sure if it matters whether or not it has a physical keyboard; I'm ok with touch screens.
I've had bad experiences with phones so I'm looking to make up for it. I want something responsive, that supports Froyo (if it doesn't already come with it) and will hopefully take full advantage of Gingerbread.
I know this is all based on opinion but I'd like to hear from those who have 'high-end' Android phones and what their experience is so far.
What phone do you have?
What's its greatest strength?
What's it lacking?
What phone are you craving?
And if you don't have a high-end phone, what are you holding out for?
Ok so first off if your in the US you want a non Tmo branded phone and only want Edge network. Is this correct? In the US Tmo 3G runs on 850mhz and 1700mhz. If you want to use Tmo 3G you must have a Tmo branded phone. That being considered now we can look for phones. Are you sold on Android? Or are you willing to use WM 6.5 with the ability to run android by port? In either case I recommend 2 phones. 1 the Touch Pro 2. This is about the nicest phone I've every used with a slide out KB. It doesn't zing like the HD2 but it competant and the KB is freaking awesome and really the only difference you will see will be about a 30% speed increase. Now for the HD2. I love this phone. It was hard leaving a real KB but once I learned swype and practiced a bit I prefer a touch KB. I really don't know what to recommend other then those 2. Everything else on the market just seems to be a spin off of either of these, so I would get one of these second hand for cheap. I paid $150 for a mint TP2 and $250 for a mint HD2. Then I would just wait it out till holiday season phones come around. I don't think were gonna see anything really new or more powerful till Xmas. My buddy just got a droid incredible and that think kills batteries. Poor kid hasn't made it through an 8 hour shift without the battery dieing. Now sure if its a Android thing or HTC thing but my HD2 gets way way way better battery life then his incredible. ALso with in one week of owning it and running nothing but stock apps on it he's had to pull the battery pack twice. I expect that from my cooked roms and custom apps but not from something stock.
maxpower097 - Thanks for the feedback!
Didn't know that about the Droid Incredible. My best friend has one and he hasn't mentioned any issues with we briefly discussed it. But still, good to know.
As for your comment about me only wanting only EDGE/2G (or 2.5G or 2.75G depending on how you want to slice it), if I understood you correctly, you were saying I wanted to 'cap out' at EDGE. If that's what you were saying, that is not true at all - I want HSDPA/3G (or 'Enhanced 3G or 3.5G, depending on how one slices it). I don't believe I have to buy a T-Mobile branded phone to do this - I believe getting a phone that supports HSDPA will be sufficient.
I'm not 100% sold on Android, meaning I would consider another OS like Symbian^3, Maemo or Windows Phone 7 (whatever they're calling it today).
I considered the Touch Pro 2, especially since there was an Android port but I felt it was like antiquated hardware (Landed early 2009 with a ~528MHz proc).
HD2 was great - loved the physical dimensions, feel/build quality and size of the screen but WinMo 6.5 wasn't doing it for me, even on the snappy Snapdragon. Now that Android is creeping closer by leaps now, I have a feeling that before the end of the summer we'll have a successful, usable Android port for the HD2; this may end up being the winner but I have to land a sweet deal like you because I'm not paying $450
Swype is great; when I had the Slide, I only used the physical keyboard maybe 10% of the time. Keyboard vs no keyboard is not a deal breaker, but I do like options
Again, I appreciate you taking the time to share your wealth of knowledge with me.
Depends on location really. Here in the US you will need a branded phone for 3G since TMo uses a specific band not supported by any other carrier. Some European phones will sometimes pick up intermitent 3G here on Tmo but thats because of one of the bands they use. I've tried ATT Tilt2's, and Tilt1's and could never even see 3G here on HSPA. Yet with a tmo TP2 or HD2 I don't even get 3G just H. I'm not 100% sure your phone just needs to be HSPA, I think the bands will need to match too, which will put you in a tmo phone. I think the best option to do is find an HSPA phone in the forums and post in there asking if anyone can pick up tmo 3G on it. I though the same as you and argued with thetmo support lady for an hour before finally accepting her answer that they just use a different band then everyone else and I would need a tmo phone to use tmo 3g. PS thats why you can't use 3G on a tmo iphone.
My phones are on my sig.
I am looking forward for a WM phone with hardware keyboard, 3.8" screen and 1ghz processor and will wait for that perhaps till 2qt 2011.
I am not interested in Android @all and will stick to WM what ever version 6.5.3 or WP7
The Nexus fly's with Android 2.2 FroYo 85B. So impressive, I forgot all about the future WM7...
Once again many thanks to you all for providing input.
So far, I'm leaning towards the Nexus One, unless Motorola has plans to make a GSM HSPA+ compatible Droid X version (like the Milestone X?)
@maxpower097: I'm going to delve a bit deeper into the 3G/HSPA issue but thanks again for the warning! I'd hate to spend loads of a '3G' phone only to find out it won't work with Tmo, even though the device itself is advertised as supporting 1700/2100 (AWS).
Droid X will not come to a GSM carrier. Verizon paid big bucks to have that as their exclusive flagship phone. Thats gonna be a verizon deal only for at least a year. That would be like hoping for a Evo 4 on ATT.
Longtime GSM user, both AT&T and T-Mobile. I have a terminal aversion to CDMA but LTE looks intriguing. I use, roughly, between 13-20GB per month. Voice usage is almost nonexistent. I do text frequently.
I've been eyeballing a fellow coworkers Thunderbolt. (I'm also enititled to a 20% discount through work.) My questions:
Are you guys happy with your Thunderbolts? Like the screen? Does the LTE SIM work like GSM, just find another LTE phone pop and go? (I phone hop like mad!) LTE coverage in Ohio is actually pretty good. Your ETF is $350? (Once the AT&T&T mereger is done 12-16 months down the road I may switch back. Any general thoughts to add?
I'm happy to listen to anyone!!
I was a longtime ATT user (and Cingular before that, THOSE were the days) before switching for the TBolt. I enjoy the screen, better than my old Blackberry and since I mainly use texting/email on it instead of video, I actually prefer the screen to a SAMOLED. In theory, LTE SIM switching should work, but there hasn't been another LTE VZW device to test that with (another week and we'll know). And yes, ETF is $350 now, just like ATT.
Out of curiosity, why would you switch back soon down the road? ATT's (even if they acquire T-Mobile) "4G" technology is so far behind LTE that it's laughable. That's why I switched, ATT spent too long dawdling around not really improving their network infrastructure, at least where I live.
I use about 120 to 80 Gb monthly now that this is my only net connection. The best thing about it is the price monthly. I'm paying for a data only plan which is 50 a month unlimited before my 25 percent discount. For texting I use Google voice app and I have GV forwarded to a sipgate #, running SIPdroid on the tbolt to get my calls. Result is unlimited calls text and internet tethering for 37 bucks a month. Ya the phone ain't cheap upfront but it really is like having a cable modem in your pocket. I love it
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I just got the T-bolt and I am impressed. Although I have not tasted any 4G yet, it is a very solid phone. The battery life is not great, but that is to be expected of such a device. Getting a bigger battery seems to be the only option. I love the screen and cannot wait to watch movies on it! Waiting for a netflix app
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Longtime GSM user, both AT&T and T-Mobile. I have a terminal aversion to CDMA but LTE looks intriguing. I use, roughly, between 13-20GB per month. Voice usage is almost nonexistent. I do text frequently.
I've been eyeballing a fellow coworkers Thunderbolt. (I'm also enititled to a 20% discount through work.) My questions:
Are you guys happy with your Thunderbolts? Like the screen? Does the LTE SIM work like GSM, just find another LTE phone pop and go? (I phone hop like mad!) LTE coverage in Ohio is actually pretty good. Your ETF is $350? (Once the AT&T&T mereger is done 12-16 months down the road I may switch back. Any general thoughts to add?
I'm happy to listen to anyone!!
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The LTE SIM does not work like GSM just yet. Verizon has it on a white list. They have to approve the device it will be in. They say that they are adding approved devices all the time but not sure which devices have been added. I think they are pushing more for the LTE SIM to be taken out of your phone and you put it in a camcorder, DSLR camera and make the devices shoot live feeds. I had read this on howard forums. I would love for HTC have it where you could custom build your phone and just pop in the LTE sim card. Just think pick your own screen, ram, internal memory, speaker, etc.
howardforums.com/showthread.php/1703825-Thunderbolt-and-ALL-future-4G-VZW-devices-require-a-UICC-SIM-card.
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I remember hating verizon for crippling the bluetooth on my v710? swearing never to go back. I've been GSM since cingular dropped tdma and I switched my 3360 and got a 6620. Then winmo starting with an htc wizard up until an HD2 that I converted to android. Wife has gone from thinking I'm nuts to giving up on my smartphone crack habit. Been mostly cingular/AT&T with a few bad romances with Tmo where I think "this time the reception will be better" (last time cause I really wanted the HD2). Then I walk out of the lumber yard and get 4 voicemails all saying generally wtf are you??
Then along comes the thunderbolt. I'm currently carrying an tmo HD2 running android and cause it's better than my fuze... a hacked beyond belief iphone on att. A friend hands me his verizon phone and I walk through my 7 story concrete/glass office building with the verizon, at&t, and tmo phone all showing signal strength. Tmo fades early as expected. There's a few times where verizon gets beat but most of the time it's got a 5 db advantage.
So a saleslady at the verizon store loans her thunderbolt and I try it in a fringe area (my house). Coverage is better with the thunderbolt and while at&t speedtests better and seems to load faster initially, verizon never hiccups and pauses like at&t and loads every single webpage before at&t completes.
So then the pro's cons.
I have 7 gsm phones all unlocked that I can bring up either att or tmo on but my att contract is up and my tmo is just a $5/mo family line that I just use text on.
unlimited data. I dont have 4g here but it's a chance to grandfather in on unlimited high speed data. Previous calls to at&t complaining about having 4 iphone non-tech unlimited users on my plan where I'm the geek yet I'm the only one without unlim data fall on deaf ears. I may not use the 5 gig I've got but it's a pain having to worry.
Verizon? Really? After laughing at people who were forced to use get it now to get their pictures off their phone? After swearing never to return when they crippled the firmware on the v710? And CDMA?
But the lure of unlimited data gets me to try a thunderbolt. I get in on a 1 year contract and I too get a healthy discount.
Fast forward 3 weeks. Rooted & flashed a non vzw rom after 4 days. 14 day return day came in went without a thought. The iphone is in my desk and the tmo hd2 will probably get turned into a winmo phone when I get time just to see if it's more than an xbox facebook extension. I find there are many times I havent even bothered to turn on wifi since web pages load without pauses, hiccups or waiting. Was going to hold out for a dual core but I've got no complaints. The screen colors seem much more vibrant than my hd2. I got the extended battery but even with not being able to put the phone down be it texting or internet I still last all day on the regular battery. Besides, by now I've got a usb charger about every 5 feet at home.
very tough call and it took a lot to get past going back to verizon and cdma but I'm glad I did. Sorry if I stepped on any toes windows phone, iphone, tmo fanboys, and grammar nazi's. Just MHO. Got a microcell to help not drop calls and still do on att. Verizon goes without extra help and doesnt drop calls. Texts are quick but break at 160chars. I use the phone to monitor several production unix machines so quick sms was imperative.
Drop me a line if you have other q's. I'm generally a lurker but always up for helping. Feel your pain in deciding..
Well this is my first smartphone so I don't have any comparison. But I love it. Love the screen and it's 4.3" of manlyness. I really never understood why people have such animosity for CDMA vs GSM. Yes I get the whole SIM card thing, but is that the only reason?
For me, it was the problem of no data while on a call. Never again AT&T, never again.
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Longtime GSM user, both AT&T and T-Mobile. I have a terminal aversion to CDMA but LTE looks intriguing. I use, roughly, between 13-20GB per month. Voice usage is almost nonexistent. I do text frequently.
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Just curious, but what do you have against CDMA other than you cant port to other carriers as easy as GSM? I found CDMA voice is generally better than GSM. The ThunderBolt still uses voice for CDMA so other than it being fast for data over what is considered GSM, it's still pretty much a CDMA phone in the sense it's locked to verizon (probably more so since you cant take it to other CMDA carriers either).
ATT will be going to LTE sometime next year as well though, so eventually when phones are using LTE for voice and data, you would be able to switch between carriers (assuming they both support the same frequency of LTE, there's 2 of them) and different phones on the same carrier
I love my tbolt. I went from a D1 to the TB, and was a little scared of leaving all the great ROMs, kernels and support on my D1 (was running CM7 nightlies with the deprimed kernel on droidforums and that thing ran more amazing than it ever did) but made the jump to get in on 4G before a rumored switch to tiered plans. And I couldn't be happier, I do miss CM and prime's kernels, but the devs have been putting out some great things on the TB. Adrynalyne and thatdudebutch have an amazing ROM with das BAMF 1.5 remix and I'm running imoseyon's lean xtreme kernel. And since development is young on this phone, I can only see it getting better
I wish I could recomend this phone over my Droid x but the battery life is so pitiful in comparison. Don't get me wrong I love the thunderbolt and having 4g is nice (Seattle) but having to be tethered to the wall on charger almost constantly is just annoying. My Droid x would go all day and had better outdoor visibility. The auto brightness on the tbolt is wack. The new blur on gingerbread also puts sense to shame. Onevgreat thing about the tbolt is the camera is really good and very fast. While the Droid x takes great shots it slow to snap them.
In short I'd recomend the Droid x over the thunderbolt.
My upgrade is in 4 days, and im thinking of the thunderbolt, i have no 4g in my area, they say by the holidays maybe.
That being said i love my incredible but want a bigger screen, is this work upgrading or should i wait until the next 4g phones come out. I only want an HTC phone.
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ATT will be going to LTE sometime next year as well though, so eventually when phones are using LTE for voice and data, you would be able to switch between carriers (assuming they both support the same frequency of LTE, there's 2 of them) and different phones on the same carrier
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I have heard that AT&T will *not* use the same bands as Verizon. Here is an article stating something less general, but indicative of this discrepancy:
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story...ice-wont-roam-verizons-lte-network/2010-10-26
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My upgrade is in 4 days, and im thinking of the thunderbolt, i have no 4g in my area, they say by the holidays maybe.
That being said i love my incredible but want a bigger screen, is this work upgrading or should i wait until the next 4g phones come out. I only want an HTC phone.
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Personally, I think it's worth it. The thing's fast, smooth, and powerful (insert joke here). It works well on 3g, and when 4g comes to you (or you travel to a 4g market), you will DEFINITELY not regret it!
I would consider waiting on galaxy 2. That thing looks like a complete beast.
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I wish I could recomend this phone over my Droid x but the battery life is so pitiful in comparison. Don't get me wrong I love the thunderbolt and having 4g is nice (Seattle) but having to be tethered to the wall on charger almost constantly is just annoying. My Droid x would go all day and had better outdoor visibility. The auto brightness on the tbolt is wack. The new blur on gingerbread also puts sense to shame. Onevgreat thing about the tbolt is the camera is really good and very fast. While the Droid x takes great shots it slow to snap them.
In short I'd recomend the Droid x over the thunderbolt.
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Get the extended battery my phone now lasts 30+ hours when my Droid X would be luck to last 15 even with liberty installed.
Sent from my Gingerbreaded Thunderbolt.
Im just curious to what dual core phones will be coming out by HTC. I am also worried about these random reboots.
One other thing, but how is the developer community on this phone, im sure its huge being the only 4gphone.
Edit: make that second on vzw
Since it's verizon a dual core htc is a year away lol
And samsung is samsung...
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jakaro said:
One other thing, but how is the developer community on this phone, im sure its huge being the only 4gphone.
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The dev community here is freaking awesome. They've been busting ass to get stuff working, tweaked, and corrected. Great group of guys.
Alrighty then, anybody have the extended battery, how does it feel, i love mine on my incredible.
Well, my Incredible is up on Craigslist, if i sell it ill be on the thunderbolt!
I have had some isuses with verizons 4G LTE network and am thinking of going 100% AT&T again. I still have my galaxy S2 and like it alot, but want 720p and LTE. the S4 seems nice too.
I may wait for the galaxy S3 or maybe verizon can some how fix this crap. (Yea right)
Any way: I won't do it with out a unlimited data plan, becuase I don't see a use for LTE and 720p with only 3GB to play with. ( I have a "unlimited non-smartphone" data plan on my GT-9100 but I don't think it will work with this phone.)
I have made a list of pros and con's for this phone:
Pros:
1) It will be out soon.
2) It's on AT&T's BETTER LTE network.
3) The 28nm S4 seem's like a blast vs any thing else.
4) The 720P SLCD2 seems alot better this time vs the SLCD of 2011.(I will need to see this for myself, to make sure it lives up to the videos I have seen.)
5) HTC can make a good phone when they make it the "ONE". LOL
Con's:
1) It's GPU does not seem like a big boost VS the CPU power.
2) Non-removable battery. ( If this phone acts like my RAZR, I will be yelling NOOOOOO like in the movies. If it's better than my S2 at not locking up, then not so bad.)
3) No SD cards. ( I would be alot more ok if they had 32 and 64GB phones for sale.)
4) I don't like the buttion layout. ( I wish it was like the S2 with a push down home key.)
ok so to be or not to be HTCed. ready set comment
This is why the big red sucks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDxJoGv3FLA
I would wait for the S3 as Samsung promised much better battery life (maybe around 2300mAh+). The LG Optimus 4X also has 2100mAh battery. Hopefully they could deliver 7-8 hour screen time which would be a dream. I would 120% get one if that was the case. One X's battery is meh (1700mAh), maybe around 4-5h screen time max.
I don't know about the One X display, but my Sensation display looks pathetic compared to my girl's S2. SAMOLED is just so much prettier than anything else.
No microSD is also sad .
But i love HTC designs and Sense UI that's why i chose HTC. ICS Touchwiz is one big fat uggo (albeit very smooth).
If you want best spec, you may want to wait for the S3, if you want pretty and useful experience, i guess you cannot go wrong with the One X.
I am more for useful than "pretty".
It's a 50/50 split on a ONE XL fourm. LOL
I really want my next phone to be LTE, but I will say H+ can be pretty good and even play in the same court in REAL world phone use. When I first got my GT-9100, I took it in to a verizon store and mobed the foor with all the best phones all the way every time intill the RAZR tied or beet it most of the time. (I should have seen, the phone had isuses, but I wanted unlimited LTE so bad, becuase my home internet sucks.)
4ktvs said:
Any way: I won't do it with out a unlimited data plan, becuase I don't see a use for LTE and 720p with only 3GB to play with. ( I have a "unlimited non-smartphone" data plan on my GT-9100 but I don't think it will work with this phone.)
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You have the unlimited dumb phone plan on AT&T? If you buy any smartphone from AT&T, they will switch you to a smartphone plan. Not positive, but I don't think they can switch you to an unlimited smartphone plan in this case. But it never hurts to ask (demand?).
4ktvs said:
Any way: I won't do it with out a unlimited data plan, becuase I don't see a use for LTE and 720p with only 3GB to play with. ( I have a "unlimited non-smartphone" data plan on my GT-9100 but I don't think it will work with this phone.)
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I understand your desire for LTE, but have you thought about going with the HTC One X? It doesn't have LTE, but I think the support will be much greater over on those forums. Not to mention, since it won't come with an IMEI that AT&T will recognize considering it's an "international" phone, you should be able to just pop the sim in that you have now for your S2.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that would work for you. Yes, it wouldn't be subsidized, but you bought an international S2, so I assume that wouldn't be a problem for you.
Wouldn't the SIM card be different though? I heard the One X will be using a micro-SIM and AT&T phones use the standard SIM card?
junodragon said:
Wouldn't the SIM card be different though? I heard the One X will be using a micro-SIM and AT&T phones use the standard SIM card?
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The phones will be using microSIM, and those are available from most providers upon request.
Well I know for sure the odds are stacking up against the razr. Fac reset has failed me and I knew it would, but you know how it is.
Update: They are sending me a refurb. I don't know if this will fix anything, but AT&T is looking better and better to come back to 100%
Update2: I think I will wait and see what the galaxy s3 has to bring to the table. This Droid Razr I have sucks eggs by the way. I don't care for subs, but I don't really want to buy any more "3G"/H+ phones. After having a 4G LTE phone no matter how much it sucks, you still will feel the need for 15+mbs every now and then. My ISP sucks too and I like Netflix so yea. I used 94GB on Verizon one time, because I could only pull less than 1mbs DL from my ISP and I pay for 10mbs DL and 1UL. The funny part is I get 100kbs more UL speed than I pay for, but 1/2 to 1/10 of the DL speed I pay for.( TWC SUCKS)
Ok thats all for now
I currently use a MyTouch3g with Cyanogenmod 6.2, and I'm wanting to get a new phone. 6.2 on the MT is really sluggish and often runs out of memory (I have a bunch of apps that crash to desktop upon launch, unless I run them right after rebooting). I'm going to be switching from AT&T to Sprint, so myself and my fiance have our cellphones under the same plan. Now, from the looks of things, a lot of the phones that Sprint recently had, like the Evo 4g, and Evo 3d, have been dropped (at least from the website, but scuttlebutt I've read is that they may still be found in stores). I'm wanting to keep with HTC if possible, and something supported by Cyanogenmod. Those aren't hard and fast, but just things I would like. Is there any recommendations?
Of the ones on the Sprint Website, the Samsung Conquer seems like it would fit the bill for usage (stock android interface, rootable, affordable), but it seems like there is no custom roms for it currently.
keithabrown said:
I currently use a MyTouch3g with Cyanogenmod 6.2, and I'm wanting to get a new phone. 6.2 on the MT is really sluggish and often runs out of memory (I have a bunch of apps that crash to desktop upon launch, unless I run them right after rebooting). I'm going to be switching from AT&T to Sprint, so myself and my fiance have our cellphones under the same plan. Now, from the looks of things, a lot of the phones that Sprint recently had, like the Evo 4g, and Evo 3d, have been dropped (at least from the website, but scuttlebutt I've read is that they may still be found in stores). I'm wanting to keep with HTC if possible, and something supported by Cyanogenmod. Those aren't hard and fast, but just things I would like. Is there any recommendations?
Of the ones on the Sprint Website, the Samsung Conquer seems like it would fit the bill for usage (stock android interface, rootable, affordable), but it seems like there is no custom roms for it currently.
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I (W)ouldn't switch to Sprint, (T)hey whore out their network. IMO TMobile is better than Sprint, but i(F) you do not have good signal for TMO (although they have wifi calling for areas with bad signal) you might as well use Boost or Virgin who are on Sprint's network. But I guess you were already on TMO at some point if you have a MyTouch
My fiance has sprint, and is currently mid contract with them. She also doesn't have any issues with them. My contract with AT&T has expired, I'm having problems with my phone, and with my service (Texts to and from me never arriving, or getting messages and voicemail long after they were sent). My fiance hasn't had any issues with Sprint's service, just with her phone (Optimus S) and only after the gingerbread upgrade. My friends with Sprint are in the same boat with her, good service. A friend of mine has Tmobile currently and he frequently has issues where his phone will drop him from 4G down to 2G (totally bypassing 3G), even while sitting docked at his desk. He's on his second TMobile phone, and still having the same issues. My experience with Tmobile is that their reception blows in the area I live (such as reception dropping to zero and remaining totally disconnected for the last five miles on my way home). Also, because my phone would be added to my fiance's existing plan, I'd only be spending $30 a month for her shared minutes, & unlimited data, and texts. If I went with Boost or Virgin, I'd be spending more.
So, AT&T problems. Tmobile Problems. Verizon, Boost, and Virgin would all cost more. You even make mention that I likely had Tmobile and moved away from them because I am not currently on tmobile, despite having a Tmobile phone. Why don't we get things back on topic, to where I can simply get some recommendations for Sprint, rather than getting me onto another network or company? Also, why do you randomly encapsulate and capitalize letters?
If you want to stick with HTC get an evo 4g lte, pretty much your only option right now, and as it's sprints version of the one x its a damn good one. I can't say for sure that its supported by cyanogenmod as I haven't looked in that forum, but would be shocked if it wasn't already/on the way soon given the popularity of the device. Personally I'm waiting for sprint to get the galaxy s3, but that's just a matter of personal preference as it and the one x are pretty similar spec-wise...
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