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"Forknife" - the Android G1 controlled robot.

Since I got my G1 I have been thinking of interesting ways to talk with my arduino prototyping board since there is no USB support yet (my next software/hardware project?.. it would be handy to use a G1 as a serial console)
I ended up using DTMF tones and to see how well it worked, I quickly built a simple robot for testing. You can take a look at a video, pictures, overview of how it works, and the GPL-ed source code/schematics to build your own or improve it here:
http://macpod.net/misc/android_robot/android_robot.php
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this is awesome man. fantastic work!
EDIT: Dude I got forknife on engadget!
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/26/video-t-mobile-g1-powered-forknife-robot-goofs-off-eats-cupcak/
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...powered-forknife-robot-goofs-off-eats-cupcak/

If I just had your knowledge!
Awsome work !!!!!!!!

Awesome project!

Could someone make a quick program for the Dream to output all of its sensor data (GPS, Compass, accelerometer)?
It would save money from having to buy these parts for the arduino...

Yep, you could do this pretty easily. If you did it via dtmf you could send 1 nibble of data per tone without checksumming it. If you modified the kernel and made you own ttl level cable (I'm waiting on parts to make mine) you might be able to do two way communications up to 115Kbps!

I do not have a dtmf decoder to do this yet, so I am looking into alternate means to send the data.
It looks that I will have it set up opposite of the Forknife robot, with Android sending data over wifi (via a modified Gmote program) through the serial monitor in the Arduino Environment.
I'm also gonna try to grab the sensor data from the Tricorder app on my phone.
Time to see if I can get the Source code for these two.
-Brian

If you have wifi avaliable why would you need to reverse how this is done? I would just setup a server socket on the arduino, connect to it via the arduino and talk.
What wifi module will you use?
Oh, if you have a light sensor you could try sending out the G1's data by blinking the LED (you even have multiple colors so if you had a color sensor you could perform flow control!)
edit: check out bluetooth solutions too.
edit2: I guess it would make sense to reverse the flow.. I was thinking you were suggesting that there would be only one way communications from the arduino --> phone

My arduino doesnt have wifi, Android and my computer do.
At this point the Arduino isn't going anywhere, its plugged in with USB.
Would Android's Bluetooth API's allow for serial communication? as I was considering getting bluetooth modules for the Arduino.
Blinking the tricolor LED would be fun, but i have no experience coding Android, I am still working on setting up Eclipse for it.

Oh! Sorry, I didn't look at how the gmote setup worked.
If computer is in the picture this is really easy. You already have server code on the computer and client network code on the G1. All you would have to do is change what data is sent (and also send to the server as opposed to the server sending data to the client.. that's a trivial change).
On the server side you would need to forward the data you recieve from the G1 to your arduino.. and I'm sure the gmote code already shows how to work with serial ports.
On the client side, you would just need to rewrite the data in the thread to write out values from the sensors.
Edit: I'm not sure about bluetooth setups with the arduino as I have never worked with them. Something tells me that the communication protocols could be proprietary (i.e. both sender and recievers just work as serial ports.. they can't actually connect to other real bluetooth devices)

Hm, I cannot get the souce code for either the gmote.apk nor the server. I found a PICaxe based color sensor on sparkfun.com for $35, could that be used with the ardiuno to read the rgb notification LED on the G1? I would need a program to encode sensor data to the rgb.
I feel it would be easier to make a photo resistor read IO from the g1, and input directly into the RX on the arduino.

Using a photo sensor is a very hackish way to do this.. and would also cost more than just using wifi. It would also require significantly more code. Not to mention it only allows one way communication.
Just use the wifi method! It's the simplest method
I'm sure there is example code for how to read the sensors in android.
On the client side I'm sure there is code that discusses how to read sensor values
and on the computer side, all you need to do is implement code to talk to the serial port the arduino is associated with.. for linux/unix/os x it's just opening up a device in /dev/ for reading/writing!

Okay, i have eclipse set up for android, but still cannot get source code for the gmote.apk, I tried adb pulling it, but it is encrypted, so I cannot edit it's settings.
could i use "ghost" programs to control my input through these programs. I can easily place the cursor in the Serial Monitor for Arduino, but could I use a program to copy the serial data, then Paste the input into the gmote program to be sent to the serial monitor on the computer's side.
How easy would a code like this be? it would have to run on top (or underneath another program).

Now, I heard you say that a kernel patch could enable serial communication through the USB port. A friend of mine is really good in linux and modifying kernels.
Would you have any idea of what part of the kernel I should look for, and what it has to be changed to? I have to have an idea of what to ask him.
Thanks
-Brian

belding said:
Now, I heard you say that a kernel patch could enable serial communication through the USB port. A friend of mine is really good in linux and modifying kernels.
Would you have any idea of what part of the kernel I should look for, and what it has to be changed to? I have to have an idea of what to ask him.
Thanks
-Brian
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It's actually supported in the kernel already, although I'm not sure if that particular configuration option is turned on in the default built. So at worst you would just have to recompile the kernel with a different configuration.

So I will have to ask my friend to find usb serial communicaton in the kernel, and enable it for program use?
If that is the case, how would I write programs to take advantage of this, wouldn't I need a new API?
Or since the kernel already has it, is there already an API for serial communication?
Thanks

belding said:
So I will have to ask my friend to find usb serial communicaton in the kernel, and enable it for program use?
If that is the case, how would I write programs to take advantage of this, wouldn't I need a new API?
Or since the kernel already has it, is there already an API for serial communication?
Thanks
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I haven't played with it, but I assume it's just a device in /dev that you can read/write

belding, what is it about the wifi solution you don't like? It is a software only solution to your problem and alot of code is already written for you in the robot project.
Indeed the serial solution over the 11 pin connector would be best, but that requires you to buy hardware, solder tiny pins, and then modify your kernel which you don't seem to be comfortable doing. In addition, it is my understanding the modification requires you to disable adb support!
Perhaps if you told us your knowledge background I could explain it better? I kinda assumed you were computer science oriented, but I suppose if you are cpe or ee oriented I could have lost you. It would also help to know what your computer is runnng.

The wifi solution would work, but i cannot get source code to rewrite the gmote client or server.
I do not currently have the hardware (DTMF decoder) to implement your premade solution.
Okay, For my knowledge background: in Android, most things I can see are update.zip based, and I can change anything in the android system that is contained on the update. Looking through /system/usr I found the kernel config, but most options were enabled, and the two that were not do not seem to be related to Serial. I have basic knowledge of command prompt tools in Windows and the Android terminal.
Knowledge again, I am learning Arduino and processing, and am fairly good with electrical circuits, the ee you mentioned.
My computer is dual booting Windows XP and Windows 7.
PS, I talked to my friend, and we are looking into the Android Kernel, specifically where it is located, and where the terminal is located.
Where is the terminal in android located, inside or outside Dalvik VM?

belding said:
The wifi solution would work, but i cannot get source code to rewrite the gmote client or server.
I do not currently have the hardware (DTMF decoder) to implement your premade solution.
Okay, For my knowledge background: in Android, most things I can see are update.zip based, and I can change anything in the android system that is contained on the update. Looking through /system/usr I found the kernel config, but most options were enabled, and the two that were not do not seem to be related to Serial. I have basic knowledge of command prompt tools in Windows and the Android terminal.
Knowledge again, I am learning Arduino and processing, and am fairly good with electrical circuits, the ee you mentioned.
My computer is dual booting Windows XP and Windows 7.
PS, I talked to my friend, and we are looking into the Android Kernel, specifically where it is located, and where the terminal is located.
Where is the terminal in android located, inside or outside Dalvik VM?
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Well, you can get to a terminal with the terminal emulator application of course, or through adb shell.
But if you want an actual console on the phone itself, try out the recovery image from JFv1.41. It boots into the normal recovery image, but it provides an alt+x option to exit the recovery program, and go to a console.
Also, the android kernel source is here. Make sure you grab the .25 branch if you want it to work with the current official builds. The .27 branch is only for cupcake.
To download the source, make sure you have git installed, and then:
git clone git://android.git.kernel.org/kernel/msm.git
cd msm
git checkout android-msm-htc-2.6.25
to build the kernel, you can use the pre-compiled gcc cross-compiler that is provided in the android source. make sure that it is in your path, and then invoke make with the arguments ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-eabi-
(or you can set those variables in the Makefile, so you can just do "make").
If you have any questions about getting everything set up to compile the kernel, feel free to ask. It seems a bit daunting the first time you do it, but it's actually fairly straight forward.

Music dock for Android?

Hey all, I was wondering if there is something like a music dock for Android phones. Something like the Logitech Pure-Fi Anywhere 2 would look great. Something that has a remote control and communicates with the device (not just headphone jack in). If it works with iProducts then even better.
Suggestions?

If i am not mistaken a new mode was have to be incorporated into android as unlike the iphone that has a dock mode using its cable all the android devices either have mini usb or propriatary jacks that use the same usb specs in a different form factor!!
The best bet would be to use the standard audio jack but sell a bluetooth remote control to go with it, then using a modded open source music player and bluetooth drivers supplied by the dock maker do the functions you have suggested!!
I would buy one!!

Bluetooth remote hey? Haven't seen any around (that would work with android). I'd still prefer a dock like I described since I would then need only one remote control, not two.

zeusalmighty said:
Bluetooth remote hey? Haven't seen any around (that would work with android). I'd still prefer a dock like I described since I would then need only one remote control, not two.
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yeah your way sounds the best, its just getting that feature added to Android as as ASOP so the phone would be able to take commands via usb as it seems it would need to be a system level command chain! so pluggin it in and seeing it popping up saying mass storage, pc suite, charge only and also have an Audio docking option would be the ultimate goal before the docks go into the design room!
Or maybe the dock is bluetooth 2.0 and all it does is hold the phone and charge it? that would take hardly any modification!! these are the ideas that need putting to companies like creative etc!! they should have no bother making models for the HTC ranges! and maybe samsung

No bluetooth please, sound quality over AD2P sucks.
A decent solution would be a standard 3,5mm-connected remote interface, just like on corded Nokia or Apple handsfree; luckily enough SGS's sound quality is decent.
A USB connector would simply be astounding, although quite difficult to implement: remember the iphone has a line out in its bottom connector so a dock is kinda straight-forward to make; going through USB either means rerouting the line out from the DAC (impossible to realize just with software) or creating a standardized driver to connect an external DAC. Read: nobody is gonna do it, as no big company is willing to go through the trouble of making something (very) hi-end only.
*Drools while dreaming of an USB attached DAC/amp*

Considering that most Android phones can connect in USB mode, there could be an external dock that plays the mp3s' on the phone. On the other hand, this makes your phone no different than a flash disk.
Shouldn't there be a protocol for docking this kind of devices? I think phone makers are really losing the game by not creating a protocol for wired music docking, the result is that there is a TON of peripheral for iProducts (from hifi to cars) but almost none for anything else. Crying shame.
In the end a 3.5mm would be the most realistic solution but still, i'd like some sort of remote control.

i would be quite happy with a cable that has a male 3.5mm on one end and a female apple dock connector on the other.
you wouldnt have problems then when you were round at a party and all they got is an ipod dock with no line in.
cant the enterprising chinese come up with a solution?
EDIT**on closer inspection i found that cablejive are doing something called a dock input cable. i would post a link but im not allowed
it may be what im looking for

Didnt seen anything abaut a dock...
However i got this product from Belkin and it works very cool for my intentions.
**cant post since im "new user" tho, google it: "BELKIN bluetooth music receiver F8Z492"
Its just tap 1 button and play the music via bluetooth (A2DP), very nice quality.

I suppose the above are both working solutions, though I don't really like the Dock input cable. I mean, you lose the ability of remote controlling your player and you would use that only with iPod / iPhone enabled hifi systems, which I find redundant (why buy such a hifi system if you have Android? Then again if you already have one, that changes things).

to be honest it wouldnt take much to develope the librarys for the controls through a usb cable, but with no ones builds being asop and a non general development tree with the xda scene as it is, it would be virtually impossible to the get this now very fragmented market of phones to have a standard for docks! heh i might even put this to someone I have consulted for in the US about bluetooth technologys to see what he thinks!

anarchyuk said:
to be honest it wouldnt take much to develope the librarys for the controls through a usb cable, but with no ones builds being asop and a non general development tree with the xda scene as it is, it would be virtually impossible to the get this now very fragmented market of phones to have a standard for docks! heh i might even put this to someone I have consulted for in the US about bluetooth technologys to see what he thinks!
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I think the idea would best apply to "personal hifi systems". Something like boom-boxes or even small audio systems. These could provide basic functionality through their standard lcd screen and remote control, but when you add a phone on, they'd have a really nice looking screen and new features (depending on the phone itself). Bluetooth can already music-pair with other devices but I think there are better prossiblities using USB (not to mention that your phone would be charging at the same time).
I think it's time for people to stop looking at docking as gimmicky and start developing docking methods that actually add to the user experience as well as functions.

zeusalmighty said:
I think the idea would best apply to "personal hifi systems". Something like boom-boxes or even small audio systems. These could provide basic functionality through their standard lcd screen and remote control, but when you add a phone on, they'd have a really nice looking screen and new features (depending on the phone itself). Bluetooth can already music-pair with other devices but I think there are better prossiblities using USB (not to mention that your phone would be charging at the same time).
I think it's time for people to stop looking at docking as gimmicky and start developing docking methods that actually add to the user experience as well as functions.
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When you think about how many media functions a modern smart phone has its crazy even samsung dont start shipping range specific docks for android devices!
I would love nothing more than my phone being on a dock over night charging! when i wake up to the alarm/custom song/internet radio station i press a button that keeps the music on then pops up todays appointments and meetings on my calendar! Then to top it off a text to speech engine reads out the headers from all my emails before cooking my breakfast and kissing me on the cheek goodbye

someone please make one before christmas time!

dan 6a said:
someone please make one before christmas time!
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Unfortunately I think we may have missed Christmas (!!) but I believe there is something in the pipeline from one manufacturer that is developing Android docking solutions for later this year.

[Q] Any other Acer Iconia Dual Touchscreen Owners at XDA?

Acer Iconia Dual-Touchscreen 484G64ns in Europe /
Acer Iconia 6120 Dual-Touchscreen Tablet in the US /
and in Japan it is the Acer Iconia F54E​
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Acer Iconia onscreen Keyboard​
Blank Custome Keyboard Background:
http://www.xda-developers.ch/members/swiss420/images/kb_bg_by_swiss420.png
XDA Branded Keyboard Background:
http://www.xda-developers.ch/members/swiss420/images/kb_bg_by_swiss420_xda_branded.png​
I hope I am not the only one with this device because it really is a fun and unique Gadget but even Acer abandoned it shortly after release. I believe there is great potential in this Device, if we work together and share our tweaks and customizations. Maybe even play around with some Linux Distributions and once it gets released off course Windows 8. Preview worked great and the Windows 8 Keyboards will be a much needed improvement.
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Social Jogger / Acer Ring​
I am really hoping to find others here that have not given up yet and believe there is more to be done with it. As it is similar to the Samsung Galaxy Note in terms of, being between classes I would appreciate it if this does not end in a discussion if a Dual-Touchscreen is useful or not. Obviously I feel it has its practical applications while I recognize it is not something for everyone. As a little Side note my 86 year old Grandma asked me if she can have it. She loved playing around with Microsoft Surface Collage and for me that was an amazing reaction I never thought possible. Only problem now my Grandma and my 6 year old Sister fight over who gets to play around with the Acer Iconia when I come over.
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For example here with KiesAir but manual initiation.​
Note: It is a very special device from Acer that probably should never have left R&D. That said I am thrilled they did decide to release it. Unfortunately with the release of Windows 8 getting closer and Apple/Google trying to secure patents, all creative startup Companies producing Multitouch Infterfaces have been bought up and disappeared into these big Companies. For Example Bump Top Pro. If you ever had the pleasure of working with it you would never want another Desktop Interface again.
All Graphics were made on the Samsung Galaxy Note.​
Video is not done by me see Video on YouTube for more Information​
Bottom Screen Disasembly Instructions
1. Remove back cover plate
2. Remove the screws and disconnect cables marked in the picture below
3. Carefully separate the bottom screen from the case to get access to additional screws required to get full access to the motherboard. In order to separate the screen use a small plastic tool to move around the edge starting at the front and unhook it. Be gentle so you don't accidently break the plastic clips.
4. Be mindful of the cable connecting from the screen to the power button circuit in the right corner. You don't want to accidently tear the small wires that it consists of.
5. Remove all remaining screws that became accessible once the screen is removed.
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In case there are others maybe we can collect the Licence free stuff here. Might come in handy for other Windows 8 Tablets comming up.
Drivers:
To fix the Ghost Touches on the Display use the Graphics Driver from Acer not Microsoft. Thanks to farinellobvom
Recovery:
Windows 8.1 Recovery (Thanks to Yogibar)
Tweaks:
Custome Blank Keyboard Background: http://www.xda-developers.ch/members/swiss420/images/kb_bg_by_swiss420.png
Custome XDA Branded Keyboard Background: http://www.xda-developers.ch/members/swiss420/images/kb_bg_by_swiss420_xda_branded.png
Social Jogger can be used on any Windows Dualscreen Computer (does not work on single Screens). Just copy the Folder under Program Files/Acer/Social Jogger make sure you got the newest Version
If you look at some of the DLL's for the Keyboard it is possible to reconfigure the whole Keyboard and its look. But it takes time.
Usefull Hardware Upgrades:
2x4GB = 8GB instead of the 2x2GB - There are some RAM hungry Apps.
If you dont need that much space or if you are rich enough go for a SSD. It will speed up things allot.
Sidenote: My previous statement about 16GB Ram was probably wrong. I just got informed that using 2x8GB will result in problems. So stay with 2x4GB and or if you got it to work please post how.
Recomended Applications:
Do check out the following post for the Hot Virtual Keyboard. A very customizable On Screen Keyboard: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54346346&postcount=35
Bump Top / English / German (3D Multitouch enabled Windows 7 Desktop Replacement - Sold to Google - IM me if you need help finding a good version)
InkSeine by Microsoft Research / Micosoft Research InkSeine Beta
Internet Explorer 10 Test Drive Webseiten (Not talking about IE10 just the Test Drive Websites)
Microsoft Origami Experience Pack v2 (Cool TabletPC Interface designed by Microsoft a long time ago)
Windows XP TabletPC PowerToys (most TabletPC tools for XP work fine under Windows 7 Multitouch)
SmartDraw 2012 (Touch Forms, etc)
ArtRage 3 (Cool Drawing Tool)
Kindle for PC (E-Book Reader)
Microsoft Education Pack
Betty Crooker Kitchen Assistant
SketchBookDesigner
TC Mania 3 VirtualDJ
Serene Screen (Photorealistic Aqarium Screensaver)
Roboform (Enter Passwords easely with your finger)
Research Materials:
Microsoft Research in 2002 "Inventing the TabletPC"
Microsoft Research in 2009 "Codex: A Dual Screen Tablet Computer"
Multitouch SDK:
Open Exhibits: http://openexhibits.org/
GestureWorks3 : http://gestureworks.com
In the Pictures I used a stand from a HP DockingStation for a HP NC4400

Reserved for Multitouch Gestures
With the Gesture Editor it would be nice to have some kind of list of common usefull commands that can be set or hopefully somehow importet. For Example

hi,
currently i'm using the acer iconia 484g64ns but somehow my acer ring doesn't work. i tried to check for the software on the net but couldn't find one. do you have any idea where i can get it?
thanks

swiss420 said:
With the Gesture Editor it would be nice to have some kind of list of common usefull commands that can be set or hopefully somehow importet. For Example
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Thanks for this stuff.
I'm currently hunting one of these laptops. I plan to put linux on it to use as a primary coding system for school.
Maybe now I won't look so silly carrying my USB keyboard everywhere to avoid using the integrated keyboard on another laptop.

I see both displays are working under linux 3.2.
Anyone know anything about the touchscreen in linux?

barakyie said:
hi,
currently i'm using the acer iconia 484g64ns but somehow my acer ring doesn't work. i tried to check for the software on the net but couldn't find one. do you have any idea where i can get it?
thanks
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ardentangel.com/iconia/OEM.rar
You must copy OEM folder on C: and run preload/autorunX/autorunX.exe application
I have found from ukrainean site the recovery image 16GB (PQSERVICE1....5). Is the russian version but with Vistlizator and english language pack I managed to have a new installation on my Acer Iconia.
edisk.ukr.net/?do=dir#cdir=shared
user name: iconia
password: 123456
Changing language pack tutorial:
youtube.com/watch?v=6lf8lAaop3c

Hi I need some help, I'm trying to set the ring gestures but the I can't no where to set my own gestures.
TIA.

i have just purchased one of these machines and after many firmware issues its finally up and running. One of the first programs i hope to install is traktor using the smithson martin emulator. When i have this completed i will upload pictures and videos for you.
I realise this post is fairly old now but im hoping there are still users of this iconia who are as into the whole dual screen technology as i am

Ghost touch
Hi guys! I got the answer!!!! DOWNLOAD from acer website the vga driver and install it. It wasn't a hardware problem it is a software problem windows installs vga drivers that are faulty so just install the acer one again and the ghost touch goes away. I have been a day with no ghost touch after I installed it. I used to have it at least once every 30 minutes. Happy day for everybody!!!!:good::good::laugh::laugh::good::good:

Where can you buy this device
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SVII using Tapatalk 6 Beta

AndroidSlave said:
Where can you buy this device
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SVII using Tapatalk 6 Beta
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It is one of those Acer oddities where even Acer themselfes loose any and all interesst in the Product within 6 month of its release and there are good reason for this too. But the worst Thing is that you do not want to carry this Thing around. Any and all Drops would be fatal.
Acers newest odditie was the DA220HQL Smart Display with Android:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41769295&postcount=3
Acer is a creative Company but maybe sometimes a little to creative for their own good. I am just suprised that these Products even make it to the production line and dont end up as only prototypes, but for that I am very thankfull. I love these Gadgets just make sure you always wait for the Price to drop as soon as they realize they can never sell them all. Then you can buy them to Play around. Otherwise you pay a premium Price for a non premium Device/Toy.

farinellobvom said:
Hi guys! I got the answer!!!! DOWNLOAD from acer website the vga driver and install it. It wasn't a hardware problem it is a software problem windows installs vga drivers that are faulty so just install the acer one again and the ghost touch goes away. I have been a day with no ghost touch after I installed it. I used to have it at least once every 30 minutes. Happy day for everybody!!!!:good::good::laugh::laugh::good::good:
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how did you get on with this? Doesnt seem to of solved the ghost touch issue for me, but granted it is happening a lot less

hazza666 said:
how did you get on with this? Doesnt seem to of solved the ghost touch issue for me, but granted it is happening a lot less
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Hi! I installed the drive few days ago and no ghost touch until now. I did use the foam tape before and it still there maybe you should do both install the driver and and the tape as in senpa.us.
Good luck

ghost touch relieved with foam tape
I used the foam tape 4 months ago and the ghost touches are gone. I do occasionally suffer episodes of touchscreen keyboard non-responsiveness when awaking the machine from sleep, however. This Iconia rocks with windows 8 pro!

hazza666 said:
how did you get on with this? Doesnt seem to of solved the ghost touch issue for me, but granted it is happening a lot less
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farinellobvom said:
Hi! I installed the drive few days ago and no ghost touch until now. I did use the foam tape before and it still there maybe you should do both install the driver and and the tape as in senpa.us.
Good luck
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Docta_J2H3 said:
I used the foam tape 4 months ago and the ghost touches are gone. I do occasionally suffer episodes of touchscreen keyboard non-responsiveness when awaking the machine from sleep, however. This Iconia rocks with windows 8 pro!
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Thanks guys for your Feedback. Dident expect that anyone else still using this device. It has been a while since last started it. It just Looks cool on the Desk for now.
Would you guys mind sharing which exact Version of the Driver that worked best for you?

swiss420 said:
Thanks guys for your Feedback. Dident expect that anyone else still using this device. It has been a while since last started it. It just Looks cool on the Desk for now.
Would you guys mind sharing which exact Version of the Driver that worked best for you?
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This is the link:
http://global-download.acer.com/GDF...&Step3=ICONIA&OS=ALL&LC=en&BC=ACER&SC=EMEA_27
I would like to try win 8, but I am afraid it will not work properly. Any of you have any tips, or what version is better, or links for the drivers?
Other thing, I can not play some old games as age of empire or settlers, any idea if it is possible play them?
This is an fantastic device but there are not many information about it. So we all need to find solutions an share them.
:good:

If anyone is interested i do have service guides, firmware, touch engine, list of part numbers etc for this machine that i am willing to share.

hazza666 said:
If anyone is interested i do have service guides, firmware, touch engine, list of part numbers etc for this machine that i am willing to share.
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Hi! I am interested to have them, now that I don't have ghost touch any more I will try to get the best of it. I do love old games any of you know if there is a way to play age of empire 1 and 2 on this laptop?
Thanks

Think i am gonna have to bite the bullet and try the foam tape idea. Was the ghost touch happening on just one screen or both for everybody else?
farinellobvom i have sent you a pm

[Discussion] DeX : too good to be true ?

The DeX concept looks great: http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/apps/samsung-dex/ (but...)
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s8-review-1603p10.php
I already read multiple reviews on DeX and could not find answers to basic interrogations :
-will DeX-use shorten the total number of discharge/charge cycles of the battery, by simultaneous charging/OS powerhouse ?
-is there any wireless connections between s8 and DeX ?
-are they any broken s8' functionalities when plugged ?
-...
(There is no teardown yet.) https://forum.xda-developers.com/album.php?albumid=14179 shows DeX using a Parade
PS176 DisplayPort-> hdmi 2.0b
On software side, I also noticed reviewers warning that Microsoft is a kind of fake on desktop/1080, without additional licenses (Office 365 subscription) : what else ?
The DeX' Virtual Desktop Infrastructure presentation is real appetizing ( even more with the s8 & s8+ 4.4.x kernel/"linux"), hope some owners will discuss and reveal the future-proof "truth" of that puck.
"Hazy specs" :
If you look into s8+ attached defconfig, apparently "regular" vdi config are not set in this (very) NEW 4.4 kernel:
Code:
# CONFIG_USERFAULTFD is not set
# CONFIG_VIRTIO_PCI is not set
# CONFIG_VIRTIO_MMIO is not set
# CONFIG_XEN is not set
# CONFIG_VIRTUALIZATION is not set
Maybe the advertised VDI for "Enterprise Mobility Management" (EMM) will use a different kernel (or the future Note 8 only)?
DeX is a sophisticated cradle/hub only, fully compatible with Knox (fingerprint & iris scan) that relies on Samsung original charger.
For now, DeX is still working after Knox tripped or even twrp/su-"ified".
Following Note7 fiasco and with a non-removable battery , it would be reassuring to know if DeX-use is powered/charged by the puck :
-via the embedded s8' battery while already in (slow) charging (electric "zugzwang"?=> destructive degradation & overheat)
-via an embedded independent s8' circuitry different from the one which is already (cool) charging the battery
I remember you, that (conversely to laptops), with almost all android devices, we are not supposed to use a device when on charge, and to charge before capacity under 50%.
Edit : related critics
http://www.vdcresearch.com/News-events/emob-blog/Samsung-DeX-The-Future-of-Enterprise-Computing.html
https://www.xda-developers.com/sams...m-revolution-but-aimed-at-the-wrong-audience/
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories > Samsung Dex by @SmilerOnline ]

One thing I think I discovered is that not just any Android app will work, only Dex-compatible ones (which seems like a really good way fro Samsung to screw themselves on the Dex concept right out of the door). I don't want to use Msoft Office - I want to get on Facebook, use a Reddit client and play Hearthstone.
I hope I'm wrong. I bought the phone almost entirely for Dex. I originally intended to get a Remix device when it launched for the desktop-docking experience but figured it'd be smarter to give my money to a bigger company that can really support the concept well. In a worst case scenario maybe I'll have to flash a Remix rom to the device to get the experience that Samsung promised (or hinted at, I guess).

All Android apps will work just not in "dex mode"
My understanding is that all of the apps (on the phone) will work, but ones that don't support "dex" mode will only run in full screen "phone" mode, so you can't tile/resize/etc the windows or anything special.

NicksOnTheWing said:
One thing I think I discovered is that not just any Android app will work, only Dex-compatible ones (which seems like a really good way fro Samsung to screw themselves on the Dex concept right out of the door). I don't want to use Msoft Office - I want to get on Facebook, use a Reddit client and play Hearthstone.
I hope I'm wrong. I bought the phone almost entirely for Dex. I originally intended to get a Remix device when it launched for the desktop-docking experience but figured it'd be smarter to give my money to a bigger company that can really support the concept well. In a worst case scenario maybe I'll have to flash a Remix rom to the device to get the experience that Samsung promised (or hinted at, I guess).
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Source? From what I understand normal android Apps work they just aren't optimize for resizing like Dex apps.

YellowGTO said:
Source? From what I understand normal android Apps work they just aren't optimize for resizing like Dex apps.
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From Google's and Samsung's documentation, apps do need to be compiled to support resizable windows in dex (an additional property in the manifest).
However if the app is designed to support Android windowed mode the app should work just with a fixed window size. I've already updated one of the apps I support to be resizable, just waiting for my dex dock to actually see if it works correctly.

Sorry for spreading misinformation - I'm happy to say I was wrong in what I thought earlier! I reached out to a fella on Twitter that had one and he happily showed me:
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From Google's and Samsung's documentation, apps do need to be compiled to support resizable windows in dex (an additional property in the manifest).
However if the app is designed to support Android windowed mode the app should work just with a fixed window size. I've already updated one of the apps I support to be resizable, just waiting for my dex dock to actually see if it works correctly.
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From what I read, SamsungBrowser, Office365 (check attached/'PhoneArena') and Adobe are compatible; Chrome is next app to provide superposable graphics on DeX UI/1080.
Following the end of UbuntuTouch development, and with Microsoft VDI support, via certified corporate collaborators (Citrix Receiver, VMware Horizon Client and Amazon WorkSpaces), it looks like the first winning android move against iPhone' success (since soc64 appearance)...
On geek side, it's unclear if DeX is Knox (un-tripped) dependant: apparently it's just a hollow charging hub that takes advantage of s8[usb3.1DisplayPort +soc64 +4.4kernel] ?
The Knox bonus, in DeX, is largely targeted as the un-hackable final solution for hybrid outdoor/office agents, without the need of shared & unsecured PCs in buildings.
Definitively, there is just zero assertion on gaming (dynamics) or education (durability >2years).
(I will update 1st post when teardown clarify the inside of the cradle.)
[Samsung Galaxy S8+ Accessories > Samsung Dex by @SmilerOnline ]

Could somebody tell me how multiple languages work with Dex?
I have a physical keyboard with English and Russian letters on the keys. Is there a keyboard switching shortcut just like in Windows or is there some other solution?

oF2pks said:
-will DeX-use shorten the total number of discharge/charge cycles of the battery, by simultaneous charging/OS powerhouse ?
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This is my biggest concern. I play Bleach: Brave souls a lot on my S6, and thus had to charge it quite often, 3-4 times a day leaving it plugged in. After one year I'm lucky to get 1.5 hour SoT and 7 hours standby. I know they said the S8 is supposed to be really good in that department, not losing a lot of it's initial capacity after the first year.

Hi! I'm currently planning to buy S8 mainly because of dex.
If there are anyone who is already used dex, I want to ask whether it is possible to use an usb c extension on dex station to our S8?
I need it because I want to have a good protection on my S8 (planning on buying otterbox defender or love mei), but I also plan to use dex quite intensively.
Also, when using it with a game open, can we still multitask?
I mean like auto-ing a game, when we write on MS word in the same time.

Another question is : Can Dex desktop mode can be ported on the Note 4 and work with the older samsung dock...It has also hdmi output and usb ports so it is similar to Dex stand?
Or Enable Dex mod wirelessly using miracast technology that works generally fine.

I have the dex still unopened as my gear I think I buy way too much stuff I don't use...still haven't found a situation where id say this is where the dex can be useful
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Isn't this sort of thing already possible with DriveDroid and Linux already? Plus, I don't see this anywhere useful as that, and I don't see a use for this. Android is never meant to be the equivalent of a desktop OS in the first place.

Anyone know what I'm not allowed to disable for Dex? Mine is coming this week. I've disabled Touchwiz Launcher as I use nova, that's the only app I can think off if they're in the same app

Anyone else getting can't start Dex error? I've renabled everything and still the same problem

DeX teardown / twrp-su / s8:defconfig
I have updated 1st post with more info : teardown / twrp-su_OK / s8:defconfig attached
Thx to @Sv3nDV (imgur) you can look at teardown :
Sv3nDV said:
From what I gather, there is a realtek 8152 10/100 controller. Next to that is a cy7c656 USB 2.0 hub. A PS176 DP-HDMI converter is by the HDMI port. Near the USB-C port there is a chip I cannot read, I will get a better shot of that. Looks like its by a lot of power converter/regulation stuff. Its odd to me the base of the Dex says it is rated [email protected] amp but the included USB power brick is max 9v.
The other side of the board has 3 Cypress Semi chips. One is a cy 65210 which says USB billboard? Would that be the chip that determines what USB-C features are available during handshake? (again, not an expert at all lol). Then the Ethernet phy chip and some others.
I will open the Dex again when I get home from work and document how to do it, and take better shots on each chip for better ID.
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DeX is using a Parade PS176 DisplayPort-> hdmi 2.0b
+ https://www.paradetech.com/parades-ps176-displayport-hdmi-2-0-converter-adopted-samsung-dex/
Thx to @zulu99 , for now, DeX ok with twrp/su .
You can follow THE "realtime" DeX guide with app compatibility: @SmilerOnline thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/accessories/samsung-dex-t3593828/page999
Don't forget to vote !

DeX owner question
Has anyone tried attaching a mass storage device to a DeX to see if it will work as a substitute media player?
I have a WD Live and if I can connect my 4tb it might make file transfer easier...

Jca1982 said:
Has anyone tried attaching a mass storage device to a DeX to see if it will work as a substitute media player?
I have a WD Live and if I can connect my 4tb it might make file transfer easier...
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I had tested a mouse and keyboard Bluetooth in just 1 port, I mean: mouse and keyboard have 1 Bluetooth receiver so in 1 Dec usb port can use keyboard and mouse :silly:
And what about battery? Dex is a battery destructor?

Conito11 said:
I had tested a mouse and keyboard Bluetooth in just 1 port, I mean: mouse and keyboard have 1 Bluetooth receiver so in 1 Dec usb port can use keyboard and mouse :silly:
And what about battery? Dex is a battery destructor?
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Why use Bluetooth in usb, just start it on phone and connect you bt unit's.. and then you 2 free usb ports..
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General joying 13.3 inch tesla style headunit

Hi everyone,
I just received this headunit from joying that's running Intel sc9853i chipset with 4gb of ram and android 8.
In order to get it I had to email joying directly at
[email protected]
I have to say this is the best unit I've ever used. And I have used a LOT of headunits including px3, Px5, PX6, ownice, and even most recently another tesla style headunit using rock chip.
The hardware is solid and clearly high quality.
The software is not bloated like all the other headunits. Google Hotword works out of the box. Same with google maps, calls and bluetooth connections. .
The steering wheel keys are detected immediately and it even gives the steering wheel code right at the top of the app which allows for multiple different options for app launches including google voice.
The unit auto sleeps and wakes from sleep immediately with no issues.
4G works right out of the box with tmobile us sim card.
The instructions come with the actual password for the factory settings screens and developer options screen which allows you to change the boot logo.
Audio is...pretty good. It's definitely better than other units I've used and the equalizer allows for changes that I can hear. I'm no audiophile but even I can tell that the audio quality is much better than headunits mentioned above.
I can honestly say I love that all of the bugs and problems with past headunits seem to be resolved for me in this unit.
If I could make any changes it would be with the hardware where the screen interfaces with the headunit. Because it's an auto-rotating headunit (which is more gimmicky than anything honestly) the screen itself is flush and not very adjustable up and down..this means I have to have the whole unit moved forward to mount in my dash as my car has an angled dashboard. Not a big deal by any means but a minor annoyance.
I hope this helps anyone looking to buy these units.
Let me know if you have questions!

Great to see Joying is releasing new units with motorized rotation.
I am a bit sad that the ratio is 16:9 instead of a more usable 16:10.
I am very sad that it's using the Unisoc / Speadtrum / Intel Airmont SC9853i (released Q2 2017) instead of the Tiger T618 or T710 from 2019.
Also, a new unit released with Android 8.1.. Really!? Android 11 beta has already been released.
I know Joying more of an assembler and not really a manufacturer and has little to no access to the source code of the software / firmware their products run. One would hope that they could "encourage" their supplier of coreboards (the pre-built board with processor / firmware) they all use to produce something more modern.
I am in the market for a new stereo for my car and purchased a Joying unit years ago. It's too slow for me now and I want to upgrade, but buying 4 year old product for top dollar is not something I am likely to do.
Did your unit come with the DSP chip for proper EQ adjustment? Many of the assemblers do not include the DSP chip to cut down on costs.
For those that aren't interested in the rotation perhaps this is a better unit for you: Joying 10.1" 1280x800 no rotation

How much did you pay for it?
And is it 1-DIN or 2-DIN size?

I am in the process of buying a 13-inch rotating headunit and it's either going to be this Joying unit or some other Chinese unit.
The Joying has the latest Intel CPU, SPDIF out but is Android 8 and 2-DIN.
The other one has the PX6, no SPDIF out, but has Android 9 and is 1-DIN, which I prefer because it will allow me to fit it an inch higher in the dashboard.
What do you notice more in real life, the Intel CPU vs. the PX6 or Android 9 vs. 8?

skewty said:
Did your unit come with the DSP chip for proper EQ adjustment? Many of the assemblers do not include the DSP chip to cut down on costs.
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Yes dsp chip. But as I understand it dsp is a pretty deep field in which I don't know very much. I don't know if this answers your question but I am able to change eq settings for individual speakers at I think 11 channels..let me know if there's some way I can answer your question better than that.

Flavio said:
How much did you pay for it?
And is it 1-DIN or 2-DIN size?
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499 USD
2-din
Flavio said:
I am in the process of buying a 13-inch rotating headunit and it's either going to be this Joying unit or some other Chinese unit.
The Joying has the latest Intel CPU, SPDIF out but is Android 8 and 2-DIN.
The other one has the PX6, no SPDIF out, but has Android 9 and is 1-DIN, which I prefer because it will allow me to fit it an inch higher in the dashboard.
What do you notice more in real life, the Intel CPU vs. the PX6 or Android 9 vs. 8?
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100% the joying intel cpu is waaaay faster and has much fewer bugs than the PX6.

skewty said:
Great to see Joying is releasing new units with motorized rotation.
I am a bit sad that the ratio is 16:9 instead of a more usable 16:10.
I am very sad that it's using the Unisoc / Speadtrum / Intel Airmont SC9853i (released Q2 2017) instead of the Tiger T618 or T710 from 2019.
Also, a new unit released with Android 8.1.. Really!? Android 11 beta has already been released.
I know Joying more of an assembler and not really a manufacturer and has little to no access to the source code of the software / firmware their products run. One would hope that they could "encourage" their supplier of coreboards (the pre-built board with processor / firmware) they all use to produce something more modern.
I am in the market for a new stereo for my car and purchased a Joying unit years ago. It's too slow for me now and I want to upgrade, but buying 4 year old product for top dollar is not something I am likely to do.
Did your unit come with the DSP chip for proper EQ adjustment? Many of the assemblers do not include the DSP chip to cut down on costs.
For those that aren't interested in the rotation perhaps this is a better unit for you: Joying 10.1" 1280x800 no rotation
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I'm currently working on video reviews of this unit. Thus far I've gotten the unboxing and install videos done, hoping to have reviews out in the next week or two; they take a surprisingly long time to shoot and edit.
Unboxing: https://youtu.be/h__Zc0fwOtw
Install: https://youtu.be/Xq1FvLoKESo (This unit turns out to be too big for my car's dashboard and no head units really fit well in the car because of the deep recessed design.)

Just confirmed with Joying, they have now implemented the 13.3inch head unit with Android 10. Can purchase it through joyingauto.eu/china-post-shipping-fee.html

Thank me guys, I ordered one this morning and talked the price down from $500.
The new unit has the UIS7862 CPU by the way.
Now I need to find a suitable Canbus cable for my 2015 Mitsubishi Outlander. Any suggestions are welcome. I am in the Netherlands by the way.

Flavio said:
Thank me guys, I ordered one this morning and talked the price down from $500.
The new unit has the UIS7862 CPU by the way.
Now I need to find a suitable Canbus cable for my 2015 Mitsubishi Outlander. Any suggestions are welcome. I am in the Netherlands by the way.
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How much did you pay? was it the 13.3inch display with android 10?

I am getting the 13.3-inch Android 10 version and I paid EUR 425.00 including shipping to the Netherlands.

I finally installed the headunit today in my 2015 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV with the OEM Rockford Fosgate amplifier.
I used this cable: https://connects2.com/Product/ProductItem/CTKMT11
But I can't get any sound.
I think it might have something to do with the Canbus type setting in the hidden settings menu, but I have no idea which one to select.
Also should I set the option for External Amplifier on or off?

I've read elsewhere they chose Singapore in the canbus settings and it worked

That's a pretty massive screen. Are you able to turn the brightness down enough at night so that you aren't blinded?

Flavio said:
I finally installed the headunit today in my 2015 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV with the OEM Rockford Fosgate amplifier.
I used this cable: https://connects2.com/Product/ProductItem/CTKMT11
But I can't get any sound.
I think it might have something to do with the Canbus type setting in the hidden settings menu, but I have no idea which one to select.
Also should I set the option for External Amplifier on or off?
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External on - I would think (if you have the Rockford amp)
Did your original have GPS ,?
The black box part of your cable has to be correct, you most likely have the wrong one and the amp is not being turned on.
The Mitsubishi units are a pain from what I've read
Possibly aerpro Mito-02 cable or CHMB4C patch cable
Check which is suitable for the outlander
Contact joying ? You might need the canbus cable. Definitely on older cars

I gave up tryi9ng to get the adapter cable working with the OEM Rockford Fosgate amplifier. The manufacturer wanted me to send it back for reprogramming without any assurance that it would work after that.
I have now fitted an Awave DSP-6 DSP amplifier that gets the signal from the headunit through optical out. I have fitted a 3-way set in the front doors and on the dash.
So yesterday was actually the first day I could use the Joying headunit.
It is still buggy with various apps repeatedly closing and several time the stock launcher refuses to show the app drawer. I have installed Nova Launcher.
One thing I can't figure out is the split screen function. With such a large display this would be very convenient. What am I doing wrong?

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One thing I can't figure out is the split screen function. With such a large display this would be very convenient. What am I doing wrong?
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You don't tell us what you already tried. Always do that first! I am now risking to spend my precious time on something you already tried.
Also: All the default Joying (FYT) apps like music, radio, video, settings, etc. do NOT function in split screen as those stupid apps don't support it. Their screen layout is still based on android 1.6 and has never been changed. Therefore they can't use the multi-window feature of Android 7+.
Anyway: If you have two apps started, like your nav app and your (non-FYT/Joying) media player, you go to the rectangle in the top-right of your notification bar. If you tap it, you see the active and last used apps.
Tap & hold your desired app. On both left and right side of the screen you will see two grey areas (after 1-2 seconds). Draw the app to either the left or right area. Then select the other app for your splitscreen display.
Alternatively: If you use the touch-assistant (the little white dot normally in the top-left), you can tap it. One of the options is to start split-screen as well.
This has also been described in #19 of my SC9853i Q&A thread.

Obviously as a long time XDA member I tried this already...
I just got word from Joying that the split screen function is not supported on this Joying model.

Flavio said:
I just got word from Joying that the split screen function is not supported on this Joying model.
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Indeed . You have a screen the size of a cinema screen and you can't use split screen. Unbelievable.
And they really show a split-screen on their website !!!
I would really request (part of) my money back
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Edit: They show an apple iphone screen via Carplay. What a frauds!

Split Screen issue solved. I am using this app for it:
Split Screen Shortcut - Apps on Google Play
Add shortcuts to trigger Android's split-screen mode.
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The long press activation does not work, but the floating button does.