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i keep being asked which app i would like to perform actions - i make a selection & all is fine until the phone is rebooted, then off it goes again.
i've trawled the general system settings looking for a toggle but failed to find anything related to default settings storage.
any help appreciated
my set-up is in my sig.
gascomm said:
i keep being asked which app i would like to perform actions - i make a selection & all is fine until the phone is rebooted, then off it goes again.
i've trawled the general system settings looking for a toggle but failed to find anything related to default settings storage.
any help appreciated
my set-up is in my sig.
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Probably another program overriding your selections. Try try going to Menu button on your phone and select Settings option, scroll down to the Applications section and tap it. On the next screen, tap Manage Applications and then the All tab on the subsequent screen, scroll down the list of apps until you see the App in question listed and tap that entry. On the next screen look for the "Launch by default" section and hit the Clear defaults button. Reboot and select the default program you want and see if it sticks on the next reboot. Let me know if this helps.
Omnichron said:
Let me know if this helps.
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good logical advice, which you would assume would do the trick.
unfortunately, it doesn't fix the problem
i was wondering if there's a file somewhere whch can be edited & locked?
im not 100% sure where those things are saved, maybe in settings.db file of the android settings app.
Check your phones app directory, there should be something like
com.android.providers.settings and com.android.settings
I could imagine that the filepermissions are wrong on certain files and thus your new selection are not saved.
i've searched for hours with no success for a db file. i do believe you are on the right trac but it'll take a smarter mind than my own to highlight where the setting is hiding.
there is a lockscreen toggle option on the redux2 rom, so i've asked over there.
thank you both for your thoughts
I went Settings -> Security but then I couldn't find the option to turn off "unknown sources". The options shown are screen lock, lock phone after, make pattern visible, vibrate on touch, set up SIM card lock, make passwords visible, trusted credentials, install from SD card, and clear credentials.
Is there a new way to do this? Thanks in advance.
flash this http://www.mediafire.com/?cox8r70bjvrq2dr
its in the OP if you read it a bit more
Thanks. The thread was really clustered, must've skimmed over it and not have realized.
SpaceAgeFiasco said:
Thanks. The thread was really clustered, must've skimmed over it and not have realized.
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its all good bro
Not working on ARHD 6.5.
Can someone confirm?
i flashed the file and still cant install or find the option for install from unknown source.
Sometimes an installed App hides this option. Like mine when i installed WidgetZoid, i couldnt find it anywhere under Security option. I had to delete my WidgetZoid widget from the homescreen or worse uninstall the app that causes to hide the option.
This is for the US Cellular Galaxy S3.
Recently I had encrypted my phone and the Galaxy forced me to use a password for my lock screen, which is fine; I wouldn't expect it to allow any less secure method, but I have since unencrypted the device and still find myself unable to change my lock screen preferences. When I go into Settings>Security>Screen Lock I am prompted to confirm my password and then I am presented with the alternative screen lock options. The problem is that everything is greyed out except for the Password option. Every other screen lock method is greyed and says 'Disabled by administrator, encryption policy, or credential storage' and I can't select anything.
I just want to change back to a PIN but it won't let me
I have tried going into 'Device Administrators' to clear something out or just see what I could do in there and there are no device administrators available. Also, I have tried the 'Clear credentials' option, to no avail.
I'm running stock 4.0.4 ROM, rooted.
rpdmatt said:
This is for the US Cellular Galaxy S3.
Recently I had encrypted my phone and the Galaxy forced me to use a password for my lock screen, which is fine; I wouldn't expect it to allow any less secure method, but I have since unencrypted the device and still find myself unable to change my lock screen preferences. When I go into Settings>Security>Screen Lock I am prompted to confirm my password and then I am presented with the alternative screen lock options. The problem is that everything is greyed out except for the Password option. Every other screen lock method is greyed and says 'Disabled by administrator, encryption policy, or credential storage' and I can't select anything.
I just want to change back to a PIN but it won't let me
I have tried going into 'Device Administrators' to clear something out or just see what I could do in there and there are no device administrators available. Also, I have tried the 'Clear credentials' option, to no avail.
I'm running stock 4.0.4 ROM, rooted.
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I had that issue before, but clearing the credentials fixed it for me. It happened after i installed a VPN. You may want to just wipe your phone and go fresh.
There's an option to encrypt the contents of your phone (under Security, I think). If that's enabled for some reason, it might force you to use the most secure option.
Sycobob said:
There's an option to encrypt the contents of your phone (under Security, I think). If that's enabled for some reason, it might force you to use the most secure option.
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The phone had already been decrypted by the time I was trying to change the screen lock.
Interestingly the options came available after I decrypted the SD card that I had in the phone. The only reason I didn't do this before was because I had initially taken the SD card out of the phone thinking that would alleviate me of any restrictions that it might be causing regarding the lock screen, or anything else for that matter.
XInSaNeFartX said:
I had that issue before, but clearing the credentials fixed it for me. It happened after i installed a VPN. You may want to just wipe your phone and go fresh.
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I had this issue as well after installing a VPN on a different device and clearing the credentials fixed it for me as well.
lock screen options greyed out
rpdmatt said:
This is for the US Cellular Galaxy S3.
Recently I had encrypted my phone and the Galaxy forced me to use a password for my lock screen, which is fine; I wouldn't expect it to allow any less secure method, but I have since unencrypted the device and still find myself unable to change my lock screen preferences. When I go into Settings>Security>Screen Lock I am prompted to confirm my password and then I am presented with the alternative screen lock options. The problem is that everything is greyed out except for the Password option. Every other screen lock method is greyed and says 'Disabled by administrator, encryption policy, or credential storage' and I can't select anything.
I just want to change back to a PIN but it won't let me
I have tried going into 'Device Administrators' to clear something out or just see what I could do in there and there are no device administrators available. Also, I have tried the 'Clear credentials' option, to no avail.
I'm running stock 4.0.4 ROM, rooted.
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ANSWER
I had this problem on my S3 (firmware ver 4.4.2) recently when I set up a VPN connection and I was forced to change from a pattern screen lock to a 4-digit pin lock. After testing and removing the VPN connection I could not change my screen lock back to pattern because nearly all screen lock options were greyed out. After hours of calls to Verizon and Samsung I found a solution that worked for me.
Go to Settings\Application Manager.
Slide the column headings to view ALL.
Scroll down to the apps that start with S, and look for the app SECURITY POLICY UPDATES. Tap it to open its settings. Then tap CLEAR CACHE. Next tap CLEAR DATA.
Restart your device.
Go to Settings/Lock Screen and all the previously greyed out lock screen options should no longer be greyed out.
go setting === security ==> install from device storage==> press over the registered email and download
it will be fixed :good:
I recently purchased off of eBay a Insignia Flex 10 tablet. It was dirt cheap, so I knew something had to be wrong; IE: not charging, stuck in DLmode, etc. Welps, it worked fine with the exception that it was locked down to a unknown google account, and the seller claimed ignorance... Anyhow, I've had to deal with FRP in the past, so undeterred I jumped right in and kicked its a$$... And this is how I did it:
At initial setup screen, hit power butt0n
Choose "settings" from Shutdown Menu
Choose Wifi and connect to a hotspot then go back to initial Settings menu
Choose "Sound & Notifications"
Choose "App Notifications"
Click the three box icon thing top right corner and select "Show System"
Scroll to very bottom and select\long press "You Tube"
Choose "App Settings"
Choose "About"
Choose "You Tube Terms of Service"
At this point, Chrome will open. You now can use whatever means (via chrome..) you have available to you
to get the file "TestDPC_3011.apk" (attached top this post) onto your tablet. I personally used HFS web\file server on my local network. When you first attempt to download the file, a couple of things will happen. It will want to update permissions
(agree\let it) then next it will ***** about blocking the install. Follow link to the security settings, and turn on
"Unknown Sources". Re-run the install of TestDPC, then choose "Open" upon installation completion. If you made it this far,
the rest will be totally self explanatory. Good work! You've just circumvented FRP.
this guide really did work! thank you so much!
+++ worked great on a lenovo 10 tablet TB-X103F 6.0.1 . But can I remove Test DPC app or remove it from device administrator? I've already opened developer options and turned on everything plus signed in to gmail. I can definitely live with it like this.
ns_p10A8100
I have a model ns-p10A8100. I got it to factory reset but i cannot get the frp. Its running andois 7.0 android the directions to the previous post arent compatible with this model. Has anyonne had any luck getting they frp. If so i would appreciate the help.
Awesome. Nice work.
Thanks p3yot3,
Insignia Flex 10 running Marshmallow
Good work thanks for sharing. It worked, excellent post.. instructions were easy, nicely laid out, and to the point.
RanOver
Be good, or good at it.
Help please
I got this ns-p 10a8100 insignia tablet my mom gave me but she forgot the account. Now i cant use it. Pls help me bypass its account so we can use it. Thanks alot
I'm stuck also with NS-p11a8100 7.0 frp any help please
Thank you thank you thank you
:d thank you thank you thank you
p3y0t3 said:
i recently purchased off of ebay a insignia flex 10 tablet. It was dirt cheap, so i knew something had to be wrong; ie: Not charging, stuck in dlmode, etc. Welps, it worked fine with the exception that it was locked down to a unknown google account, and the seller claimed ignorance... Anyhow, i've had to deal with frp in the past, so undeterred i jumped right in and kicked its a$$... And this is how i did it:
At initial setup screen, hit power butt0n
choose "settings" from shutdown menu
choose wifi and connect to a hotspot then go back to initial settings menu
choose "sound & notifications"
choose "app notifications"
click the three box icon thing top right corner and select "show system"
scroll to very bottom and select\long press "you tube"
choose "app settings"
choose "about"
choose "you tube terms of service"
at this point, chrome will open. You now can use whatever means (via chrome..) you have available to you
to get the file "testdpc_3011.apk" (attached top this post) onto your tablet. I personally used hfs web\file server on my local network. When you first attempt to download the file, a couple of things will happen. It will want to update permissions
(agree\let it) then next it will ***** about blocking the install. Follow link to the security settings, and turn on
"unknown sources". Re-run the install of testdpc, then choose "open" upon installation completion. If you made it this far,
the rest will be totally self explanatory. Good work! You've just circumvented frp.
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p3y0t3 said:
I recently purchased off of eBay a Insignia Flex 10 tablet. It was dirt cheap, so I knew something had to be wrong; IE: not charging, stuck in DLmode, etc. Welps, it worked fine with the exception that it was locked down to a unknown google account, and the seller claimed ignorance... Anyhow, I've had to deal with FRP in the past, so undeterred I jumped right in and kicked its a$$... And this is how I did it:
At initial setup screen, hit power butt0n
Choose "settings" from Shutdown Menu
Choose Wifi and connect to a hotspot then go back to initial Settings menu
Choose "Sound & Notifications"
Choose "App Notifications"
Click the three box icon thing top right corner and select "Show System"
Scroll to very bottom and select\long press "You Tube"
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This tuts still works, Thanks much @p3y0t3
p3y0t3 said:
Choose "App Settings"
Choose "About"
Choose "You Tube Terms of Service"
At this point, Chrome will open. You now can use whatever means (via chrome..) you have available to you
to get the file "TestDPC_3011.apk" (attached top this post) onto your tablet. I personally used HFS web\file server on my local network. When you first attempt to download the file, a couple of things will happen. It will want to update permissions
(agree\let it) then next it will ***** about blocking the install. Follow link to the security settings, and turn on
"Unknown Sources". Re-run the install of TestDPC, then choose "Open" upon installation completion. If you made it this far,
the rest will be totally self explanatory. Good work! You've just circumvented FRP.
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Edit: I have given my S7 Edge to a family member, because they needed a phone. So I will not be able to experiment with this any longer. If you are not able to reverse these steps, I advise reinstalling firmware.
WARNING - This will trip Knox and erase the contents of your device. Please back up any important files. And don't blame me for any bricking or boot loops. That risk comes with the territory.
Please leave comments against spoofing out. This is a guide. Not a debate.
Note that there are shorter/easier methods, but i believe that these steps will further ensure that you will be able to spoof your location without the risk of a soft ban. Provided that you follow the rules to changing location.
I wanted to type up this quick guide, because I found it a little difficult to get some rooted devices to not only spoof a location, but to do so without constantly teleporting between locations. I have tested this on my own G935F, and it works flawlessly with the March Security patch. I will not guarantee this method for any other devices. Not even other Galaxy phones as I tried this same method with my Note 4, and it still teleports. It should work on the S7 series (Exynos and Chinese Qualcomm only) just fine, though. I played for 2 hours with no teleporting. US models do not seem to have Twrp, so this method will most likely not work for them. Sorry.
Please forgive the lack of photos as this is my 1st guide.
Requirements:
-A rootable S7 or S7 Edge running stock Android Nougat (I do not know if this works with Marshmallow)
-The latest Odin (Found HERE)
-External storage. For some reason TWRP doesn't want to read the internal storage. I used a flash drive with an OTG cable.
- The latest Twrp (Found HERE)
-The latest Magisk & Magisk Manager (Found HERE)
- Either DM-Verity & Forced Encryption Disabler (Found HERE) or Samsung Anti-Root Removal Tool (Found HERE). Both are supposed to work. I ran into an issue and ended up flashing both while trying to narrow down the issues, and it worked for me.
-GPS Joystick Fake GPS Location (Found HERE)
-Package Disabler Pro (Samsung) (Found HERE for $1.49) You can try a free route. Just make sure that it plays nice with Samsung devices.
I recommend a fresh firmware install before attempting, but to each their own. You can find firmware on sammobile or here on XDA.
Part 1 - Flashing Firmware
1. Go into your phone's settings, and enable Developer options. To do this, scroll to the bottom of settings, choose "about device", then "software info". search for "build number", and press it multiple times until your phone says that you are a developer.
2. Go back to the main settings menu, and at the very bottom there should now be "Developer Options". Press it, and enable "OEM unlock", and "USB debugging".
3. Go back to the main settings page, and press "Cloud and accounts". Then press accounts. If there is a Google account signed in, remove it. Do this by pressing "Google", and select your gmail account. Then press the menu button (the 3 dots in the top right corner), and press "Remove Account".
4. Press and hold down the power button, home button, and the volume down button. Do this until the phone shuts off, and and displays a greenish bluish screen that says "Warning". Press the volume up button to continue.
5. Go to your computer and extract the files for Odin into their own folder. Do the same for your stock firmware, and Magisk. Do not do this for Twrp, as the file is ready to go.
6. Open Odin and plug in your device. Under "ID:COM", one of the boxes should be lit up, and displaying "COM" followed by a number. If it is not, you do not have the proper drivers installed, and should do so. I obtain my drivers via Samsung Kies, but there are standalone drivers available. Look HERE for more info on drivers.
7. Once your device is showing up in Odin, you can install the firmware. There are 2 ways of doing this (Only 1 of these will apply to you);
-If you extracted 1 file from the firmware zip file that you downloaded, Click on "AP*", and select that file. In my experience, these files almost always end with the word "HOME".
-If you extracted 4 or 5 files from the firmware zip file, then click "BL" and select the file that begins with "BL". Do the same for "AP*","CP", and "CSC". Ignore the file that says "HOME".
*Allow your computer time to load the AP file. This can take quite some time. The program will act like it is crashing. It isn't.
8. Click on the options tab, and uncheck "auto-reboot". We're going to get all of this flashing done as quick as possible. Once you have done that, click "Start".
9. Allow the device time to flash. If the top left box says "PASSED" you successfully flashed new firmware, and are ready to flash a custom recovery. If it says "FAILED", there was a problem, and you should re-check the steps.
Part 2 - Installing Custom Recovery (TWRP)
1. Repeat step 4 from Part 1 to re-enter Download mode. Click "Reset" in Odin.
2. Assuming that the phone is still successfully connected to the pc, Click "AP", and select the file for Twrp.
3. Make sure that the "Auto-Reboot" option is still unchecked, and click "Start".
4. Allow the device a few seconds to flash. If the top left box says "PASSED" you successfully flashed Twrp, and are ready to root. If it says "FAILED", there was a problem, and you should re-check the steps.
5. This part requires some timing on your part. So read the entire step before following along.
-Hold down the same buttons that you did to enter download mode (volume down + home + power). When the screen goes black, quickly release the volume down button, and instead press and hold the volume up button. You should be holding (volume up + home + power).
-When the screen says "Galaxy S7/Edge", release the power button, but continue to hold the other 2 until you see the screen "Teamwin".
Part 3 - Rooting/Magisk
1. Plug your external storage into your computer, and place all of the magisk files onto it.
2. Once in Twrp, you'll be greeted with a warning. If you slide to the right, you will not be able to reboot, until you have finished flashing the files mentioned below. Slide right, when ready.
3. Press "Wipe", and "Format Data". Type "yes" to continue.
4. Press the on-screen home button, and press "Install".
5. Plug your external storage into your phone via an OTG adapter. Press "Select Storage", and choose OTG.
6. Choose the Magisk file that you just moved there, then choose "Add more Zips", and add "Samsung Anti-root Removal Tool" and "DM-Verity & Forced Encryption Disabler" in that order. Swipe to flash.
7. Reboot, and allow extra time for your phone to set up. If you are caught in a boot loop, re-flash everything, and try again. You can try to troubleshoot, but restarting eliminates oversight.
Part 4 - Configuration
1. Set your phone up as normal.
2. Magisk
-Plug the external storage back into the phone, and open the file manager. Locate, and install the Magisk Manager. There will be a notice about unknown sources. Follow the settings and override it.
-Open Magisk, and make sure it is up to date (3 green check marks). Press "Tap to start SafetyNet check". You should get 2 more green checks.
-Press the menu button (top left), and press "Downloads". Download and Install "App Systemizer". Reboot.
3. Package Disabler Pro
-Go to the Play Store, and install "Package Disabler Pro (Samsung)".
-Run the app. It will tell you to install and activate "PDP Engine". Follow the on screen instructions.
-Re-open the package disabler, and search for "Fused Location". Check the box to disable it. This will disable the GPS. So re-enable this if you need it to work properly. Reboot.
4. Install Pokemon Go
5. GPS Joystick
-Go to the Play store, and install "GPS Joystick Fake GPS Location". Once installed, open the app "AppSystemizer". Check the box next to the GPS Joystick. Reboot.
-Go back into the GPS Joystick app, and press "Fix GPS Jump To Real Location". Make sure that it is set to "Default".
-Go to the app's settings (top left, then 2nd to bottom).
-Turn on the following; Enable Indirect Mocking, Enable System Mode, Disable Location Service, Save Last Location, Auto Close App, Auto Start JoyStick.
-Set the Auto Start app for Pokemon Go.
-Process Interval, Update Interval, and Idle Interval should all be 500 ms.
-The rest should be fine as-is.
6. Go to settings, re-enable Developer Options, and set Mock Location app to "GPS Joystick". The game will allow this now that it is a system app. Reboot one last time for good measure.
If all steps were followed, you should have spoofing with no teleporting.
As of 7/24/2017, you should be inactive for 2 hours prior to making spoofing far away from your last location.
Having trouble?
Here are resources for many of the steps. I would utilize these before posting questions here.
TWRP
S7 Edge Exynos (G935F/FD/X/K/L/S/W8)
S7 Edge Snapdragon (G9350)
S7 Exynos (G930F/FD/X/K/L/S/W8)
S7 Snapdragon (G9300 & G9308)
Magisk
Avery useful video guide for rooting
Seems like a lot of the last part is uneeded
All i have done in the past is download the app, move it to system with lucky patcher and disable location service in the apps settings and reboot
(system mode is active automatically after you move it to a system app)
Still works for me today just caught 4 Lugia haha :good:
no need for messing with package disabler/debug settings/ extra settings to be changed in the spoof app
it's a great guide, just one hell of a read i think you could possibly shorten the rooting/flashing to links to the official threads too (that way people will have access to troubleshooting already done too)
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Seems like a lot of the last part is uneeded
All i have done in the past is download the app, move it to system with lucky patcher and disable location service in the apps settings and reboot
(system mode is active automatically after you move it to a system app)
Still works for me today just caught 4 Lugia haha :good:
no need for messing with package disabler/debug settings/ extra settings to be changed in the spoof app
it's a great guide, just one hell of a read i think you could possibly shorten the rooting/flashing to links to the official threads too (that way people will have access to troubleshooting already done too)
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Thanks for the feedback.
I definitely agree that it is long winded. My S7 Edge was being particularly stubborn, though. So while some may get by on doing parts of this, I feel that this will ensure not only spoofing, but rubber band free spoofing. My Note 4 is even worse. As it still teleports back and forth with all of this applied. It may have something to do with my location. IDK.
I'll probably link root and recovery guides as resources, but considering how many people are new to root, and are trying to get this to work, I felt like extreme hand holding was essential, and most guides on here assume that you know all of the basics, and so they will skim over details that other may find to be important.
Congrats on the Lugia. Try going to Grant Park in Chicago. A lot of the lengendaries there are 100% catch rate until 5PM today.
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Thanks for the feedback.
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haha yes i understand i just didn't want you to get overrun with complaints about so many different things flashing/root/twrp/magisk etc.. as it is a lot for a person not used to this sort of stuff to do in one go
yeah that's where i went only play when theirs an event on tbh.
Great guide either way bro clearly put plenty of time into it :good:
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haha yes i understand i just didn't want you to get overrun with complaints about so many different things flashing/root/twrp/magisk etc.. as it is a lot for a person not used to this sort of stuff to do in one go
yeah that's where i went only play when theirs an event on tbh.
Great guide either way bro clearly put plenty of time into it :good:
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Very true. This guide is not for the faint of heart. Will definitely be adding resource links.
GPS
Great guide but how can I switch back to normal GPS when required?
Followed it to the word, but when it comes in installing magisk, it says "please restore stock boot image" and just stops installing.
Edit:
Turns out i left TWRP installed from last time i tried, didn't even know, Best off starting fresh as I skipped that part thinking I was on stock!
Re-did it with 7.0 (G935FXXU1DQBT security patch feb) and it works flawlessly! Thanks dude!!
Thanks this worked great. But I have one issue, ever since I've rooted I cannot get my GPS to work normally anymore, I used the package disabler and turned on fused locations again but my GPS is still not working, have any idea what could be causing the issue?
This no longer works. Decided to do this on my other s7 edge, same model as I did before. Done this 3 times and PDP Engine fails with some message about device is rooted.
This DID work as my previous post but now PDP Engine fails (it was updated today 23rd) but I tried an older version (2.1) and still says the message. Not too sure what to do at this point.
I have been using this method for a long time and i wanted to turn it off and start normal real gps. But as you mentioned as below:
"-Re-open the package disabler, and search for "Fused Location". Check the box to disable it. This will disable the GPS. So re-enable this if you need it to work properly. Reboot."
I did re-enable Fused Location and rebooted but it did not fixed my gps. And now maps does not show any location either. So what am i doing wrong here ?
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I have been using this method for a long time and i wanted to turn it off and start normal real gps. But as you mentioned as below:
"-Re-open the package disabler, and search for "Fused Location". Check the box to disable it. This will disable the GPS. So re-enable this if you need it to work properly. Reboot."
I did re-enable Fused Location and rebooted but it did not fixed my gps. And now maps does not show any location either. So what am i doing wrong here ?
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I would do the following to make gps work again:
- re-enable "fused location" inside package disabler.
-re-enable "location services" inside the joystick app
-disable "indirect mocking" in the joystick app
-inside Developer options, set mock location to "none".
I hope this helps.
Currently looking for an android Good GPS spoofing app or ROM to Bypass Ubers Driver App Please help Asap Donations Available.
Disable locations in any way, dont work for me.
Google maps keeps finding my real location... So that's mean it will jump.
I'm using a j7 2015 and disable location from gps joystick or the 3 apks I tested, dont seems to stop the real GPS like in my lg g3 and xiaomi redmi note 3.
What to do now??
Edit: and I did this in the S7 edge of a friend, but it keeps jumping
How to Root snapdragon HK variant S7 edge?
I'm getting Cannot install Custom software error .
OEM set to unlock and USB debugging as well so why is the error?
Hello @sireniankyle , how are you? I have a question, is this method still working on the Samsung s7 edge?
I want to spoof by using pokemod, but I need to root my s7 edge first, and I'm kind of lost, if I do this on my s7 edge or would be best to buy a Xiaomi to make sure that the root process works better. Can you help me bro? I'm kind of afraid to do something wrong with the only smartphone that I have...
do this step work for android 8 as well?