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I'm sure almost all of you will agree with me when i say rapidshare sucks! and by rapidshare I also mean the rest of the rapidshare-like sites (4sites, mediafire, megaupload, etc) ... and its a pain to use them to download roms, especially if there are multiple version roms (lite, full, cube, etc) and you want to get more than one (I'm not cheap or anything, but if I have to give money to download the files [referring to websites' premium account, etc], I'd rather donate the money to the rom-cookers for their hard work)
and I think most of us are familiar with torrents by now ... I searched the forum, and i don't think it has been suggested or brought up before ... but how about having a torrent setup for the roms ...
There are a lot of people (including me ) who are willing to help and share as much as possible ... ideas/comments/suggestions ?
p.s. I hope this isn't against any rules ... correct me if I'm wrong
Well, the problem with torrents is that they have to be on all day or at least until they get an ample amount of seeders so they can stop hosting it. There is a lot of people that have a limited connection and that would make it worse. For those of us who have good internet connections, and can host torrents, then this would be a good idea, but some people cant. Unless they get help from people who have good internet connections.
I've posted most of the files on my site..
http://f1ip.net/Downloads/KaiserFiles
.. and torrent sucks.
I wouldnt download these from a torrent, or anyone elses site other than the authors published links.
How do I know you haven't tampered with it prior to uploading it??
Maybe if the cooks list the MD5 for each release, then I *might* be tempted.
What if xda-devs set up a private tracker?
My torrent client is always running on my pc at home only for private trackers. its not worth having a bunch of leachers and hit and runners if they were hosted on public torrent sites.
f1ip said:
I've posted most of the files on my site..
http://f1ip.net/Downloads/KaiserFiles
.. and torrent sucks.
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I like torrents but still... here my link to the files.... see my signiture:
guys ... use 4shared.com ... no wait ... 5gb ... only max 100mb file limit!
If I am at home well supported torrents are MUCH faster. I think torrents would be a great idea and an MD5 is easy enough to generate.
4shared.com is one of my favorite download sites used on here. It works well when I am at work or on someone else's network that doesn't have the ports set up for bittorrent. But I have never seen the speeds from 4shared.com that I get from bittorrent.
I have flashed a LOT of roms on the forums and the worst thing for me is when rapidshare says "Wait another hour to download". I can tell you that I would seed the ROMs
Just my 2 cents
why
My internet sucks, my wife is always angry that I am here and not talking to her, personally I would like for you all to only host files any place that the cook would like. Really it is up to them. This is a good idea though.
This way I can stare at XDA even longer waiting for the new rom to be placed on my phone.
tilt
Rom..dualtouch v4
radio 1.27.15.32
8525
gave to my wife
now it is a cute paper wait
No torrents for me. I tried downloading a previous ROM from one and it took two hours versus a very quick download with the free rapidshare or megaupload...
(384K DSL)
Just about anything other than rapidshare is better. Latest ones I've used are 2shared.com and 4shared.com. Also Sendspace isn't too bad.
I used to put roms up on Torrents via piratebay and had a box that I left online to seed them. Problem was I saw people pulling, but nobody else was seeding. So the only way torrents will work is if you get others that are willing to pull and share, and not just pull.
why cant you post it on usenet and make a nzb file out of it so anyone can download it fast with grabbit or something and just post the nzb file here thatway people like mfrazzz dont have to seed endlessly and everyone can download the rom fast
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why cant you post it on usenet and make a nzb file out of it so anyone can download it fast with grabbit or something and just post the nzb file here thatway people like mfrazzz dont have to seed endlessly and everyone can download the rom fast
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I second this idea!
It's been a while since I patroled the NNTP servers... is there an appropriate group for posting these type of files?
start a new group alt.binairies.xda.kaiser??? for our roms or alt.binairies.xda for all roms posted on this site like the ftp sever before microsoft bashed it
use this forum for nzb posting and the usenet for all the pars and rars so people only need to install a newsreader and download a nzb file not search for all the pars rars manually
keep the acces to the usenet group closed for cookers only so that not anyone can subscribe to the group
the only thing the cookers have to do is upload the file's to the group and create a nzb post it in the forum and everyone is happy
I think torrents are much better idea.
But the tracker should be in xda site and accessible only to registered members of the forum.
If everyone will keep the golden rule of 1.1 ratio, then there are no problems and It will be much better that all free upload sites. rAPIDHSARE sux...
Whatever the case is I think its worth a try...
Great Idea! Also, have a point system based on the ip you use most on here, so when ever you don do your share you loss points and a certain amount of points is required to download certain things! If you cant seed for certian reasons then you will be the excpetion? Eh, good idea?
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start a new group alt.binairies.xda.kaiser??? for our roms or alt.binairies.xda for all roms posted on this site like the ftp sever before microsoft bashed it
use this forum for nzb posting and the usenet for all the pars and rars so people only need to install a newsreader and download a nzb file not search for all the pars rars manually
keep the acces to the usenet group closed for cookers only so that not anyone can subscribe to the group
the only thing the cookers have to do is upload the file's to the group and create a nzb post it in the forum and everyone is happy
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Chainfire already did this, it didn't take off at all and it's been a link on the wiki for quite some time now. http://www.jongma.org/xda-nzb/
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Great Idea! Also, have a point system based on the ip you use most on here, so when ever you don do your share you loss points and a certain amount of points is required to download certain things! If you cant seed for certian reasons then you will be the excpetion? Eh, good idea?
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Torrents, a bunch of mirrors, mirrored mirrors and all sorts of things have been discussed in the past. None of them got past the talk stage. If/when they have, they've been completely *OWNED* by the bandwidth usage.
There are hundreds of people downloading these files and you'll be lucky to have a 100:1 ratio for seeding vs. downloading. That means that everyone will get around 2KB/s each, 7x to 21x slower than the typical 15 to 45KB/s download from RapidShare or MegaUpload.
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Torrents, a bunch of mirrors, mirrored mirrors and all sorts of things have been discussed in the past. None of them got past the talk stage. If/when they have, they've been completely *OWNED* by the bandwidth usage.
There are hundreds of people downloading these files and you'll be lucky to have a 100:1 ratio for seeding vs. downloading. That means that everyone will get around 2KB/s each, 7x to 21x slower than the typical 15 to 45KB/s download from RapidShare or MegaUpload.
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Torrents are really only good for 1gb files and up.
Torrents would work fine if it was done on a credits-based system with a private tracker (private meaning you must create an account, not invite only - could be tied together w/forum accounts)
The tracker would enforce at least a 1:1 ratio beyond the first 'free' download, and in the case a torrent gets orphaned the tracker could also hold a local mirror of the files, so when seeds becomes < 1, it kicks on as a seed and finishes at least one person off to keep the torrent alive..
As far as torrents being only really good for 1gb files and up, that holds true for public torrents, but on a private credit based system, arbitrary sizes work fine
Plus people in general have a fixation with making a number grow larger and larger, so a credit-based system has it's own built in motivational driver. It's the basis for most video games out there! (score, xp, level, etc!) You could even give each forum user a special icon or access to a custom tagline, etc. depending on their current level of credits, for another motivational driver to keep seeding up.
THIS WOULD BE A FREE SERVICE, OFFERED TO ALL XDA-MEMBERS
alright, while sitting in the xda IRC somebody complained about everyone using rapidsahre links, them dying, and the need for a new XDA posting service.
this coupled with the completely empty XDA ftp, we got to talking. Chainfire suggested using usenet for the roms/files/whatever. he said he attempted to get it more widely used years ago, but nobody really cared.
now, my thought is i setup a webUI frontend for the xda usenet group, and make it alot like the current xda-ftp stucture is. simple uploading, simple downloading. no real knowedlge of usenet needed to do it, and the files would be good for at least a year on the servers.
maybe even write a FTP frontend for the group.
what are your guy's thoughts on this. no download limits, no YOU HAVE TO WAIT 9HOURS TO DOWNLOAD ANOTHER ROM, no YOURE ALREADY DOWNLOADING A FILE LOLWAIT, no random deletions of files, uncensored content uploading(you can figure what that means), and super-fast downloading of ROMs, with a que.
we need your thoughts on this project.
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usenet is a pay service, however the concept of this is to provide a free frontend for the usenet posts to the xda community. IT WILL BE FREE.
IT WILL BE FREE
I'm pdbogen, and I approve of this message.
/me is in favor and would love to help make this happen somehow.
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i believe this is a genius plan. I SHALL HELP MAKE IT HAPPEN!
I'm all for faster file transfers and less "LOL YOU BETTER WAIT BECAUSE YOU'RE A NOOB" messages.
Who would be supplying the servers? And how much would it cost to set up?
between me and turbzy, we have enough resources/servers to handle a good 3 mirrors of the setup, so we're good on the money/servers.
we just have to write the webinterface and get people to use it.
if you and the freenode crew whip up something good and badass, i will aggressively promote it on my heavily-trafficked websites
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very nice idea indeed, just what xda was missing =]
This sounds awesome, I say go for it!
me and turbzy will start work on this as soon as we get a few uploaders/chefs willing to use the new system in place of rapidshare.
it's toomuch work to just write and then have wasted because nobody uses it.
the idea is, we're going to maybe write a built in FTP server. so as far as uploading is concerned to upload a file you'll
a) go to the site, and be presented with a upload form. just select the zip/rar and press upload. it'll upload to the multiple backend servers, and give you a direct link. OR possible upload it to a few other options, im thinking maybe add a rapidshare+mediafire+multiple FTP mirrors.
or b) connect to our custom FTP server and upload the file that way. after the file is completed, it will upload it to the other servers and give you the direct url. i'll make a more simplistic description later.
all in all, everyone i've talked ot about the idea thinks its genius. help us get people on board=
oh also, i'm thinking there may be a registration system needed for uploading. it's unfortunate we couldnt just sync it with the XDA login system, but it'll be needed to post verified files. it'd be better for file organization and whatnot.
then again, we may be able to sync with the XDA userdatabase if it gets big enough.
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oh also, i'm thinking there may be a registration system needed for uploading. it's unfortunate we couldnt just sync it with the XDA login system, but it'll be needed to post verified files. it'd be better for file organization and whatnot.
then again, we may be able to sync with the XDA userdatabase if it gets big enough.
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I doubt Flar and company would let you touch the user database. However, maybe they could host the front-end on their servers? For example: fileshare.xda-developers.com
That would then interact with all your middleman servers, etc etc.
So the XDA server would just be the front-end, but it would redirect the file to your servers... is this possible?
Or even better, have XDA auth the user (via login to the forums) and then have it redirect to your server with some fun authing stuff. Then you guys don't need the database, but it would still be secure.
yaaaap. that was my idea, just attempt login. much simpler and lord knows precious xda administration wouldnt dare have their hands on a project meant to..actually maintain the files produced by the community!
they won't help us. even if they offered, i think running them seperate from this site is better and safer.
bump because i actually care about the project.
just a thought and i didnt see it covered
how will the virus scanning be implemnted. will you put a system in place at you end so its get scanned after uploadthen accepted or will you be asking the uploaders to scan them.
just a note because im pretty sure the current FTP scans files and lets you know whether the threaten. but if you leave it multiple uploaders then maybe well get ton of viruses littering the database
i am unsure as to how to handle that. thats why im thinking a user database would be useful, somehow mark the legit uploads with a key of some sort. i'll think about that, but im sure we can handle that.
from what ive seen clamav is pretty easy to tack on to whatever system youre using
edit: as for user database integration, all we'd need xda to do is toss a small api on their server that lets us verify accounts and return a userid that we can associate posts with. we wouldn't need actual access to the database
all im saying is yes you can verify the user who uploads the stuff
but we can verify the stuff
there was a problem a while back with ppl adding cracked apps to the ftp and viruses aswell
i don't think we care about cracked apps. thats somewhat the point.
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i don't think we care about cracked apps. thats somewhat the point.
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well I think you should. This isn't a warez site, nor should it be affiliated to anything to do with it.
It sounds more to me like you're trying to set up a new warez service based on the good name of xda-devs!
As some may know, I am working on a dedicated Evo website.
The biggest feature will be my file distribution system.
I hope for it to be the first of it's kind, it will both upload the file and create a torrent of it.
This allows the file download to be stream by both means.
If anyone is interested in obtaining upload access I am accepting requests.
My only requirement is you have unique Evo related files to offer (ROMs, Boot Screens, etc).
This is still in development, but should be complete and ready for testing within the next 24 hours.
Sounds like a good idea, but please don't use torrents. P2P technology is a horrible way of sharing development files for a number of reasons, the main one being version control. If someone wants to download a file straight to their EVO, a torrent will be of no use to them.
Just my .02.
Usenet ftw!
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Sounds like a good idea, but please don't use torrents. P2P technology is a horrible way of sharing development files for a number of reasons, the main one being version control. If someone wants to download a file straight to their EVO, a torrent will be of no use to them.
Just my .02.
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There will be direct links on the servers to the files alongside the torrents.
I may do a simple browser check to only allow direct downloads from mobiles.
I really want to encourage torrents with web seeds, it's never been done before!
Anyways a status update ~ IT NOW WORKS!
I just got uTorrent to download a file without any user seeds and it went through like a champ.
I honestly don't think anyone has created such an automated system, I am quite proud of myself!
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There will be direct links on the servers to the files alongside the torrents.
I may do a simple browser check to only allow direct downloads from mobiles.
I really want to encourage torrents with web seeds, it's never been done before!
Anyways a status update ~ IT NOW WORKS!
I just got uTorrent to download a file without any user seeds and it went through like a champ.
I honestly don't think anyone has created such an automated system, I am quite proud of myself!
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Nice, what's the site?
pingpongboss said:
Nice, what's the site?
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TalkEvo.com
If want to check it out, I've got the new radio update in there.
You can see for yourself how streamlined downloads are.
http://talkevo.com/tracker/index.php
I like your idea for using http as a backend for torrents if there are no seeders. I have actually thought about this method many times in the past, I never thought someone would of put it all together into a working method. CONGRATZ MAN!!! This would of been so useful in the past when I was working on a couple warez/script websites/forums. You should jazz this script up and make it a little more customizable, maybe with a simple admin cp, and then release it to the script community, people will love you! I know I do!
that's pretty genius, i like it. Good job! Should make an excellent way to distribute EVO Files!
Neotelos_com said:
There will be direct links on the servers to the files alongside the torrents.
I may do a simple browser check to only allow direct downloads from mobiles.
I really want to encourage torrents with web seeds, it's never been done before!
Anyways a status update ~ IT NOW WORKS!
I just got uTorrent to download a file without any user seeds and it went through like a champ.
I honestly don't think anyone has created such an automated system, I am quite proud of myself!
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Have you heard of BitTorrent DNA? It is made by BitTorrent Inc. for exactly this sort of thing. You host a file on your HTTP server and BitTorrent DNA creates a torrent for it. Users download from each other when there peers available, but otherwise they default back to your server.
I have being a user of this site since my HTC FUZE, and from that day on I'm hook. Because not only it allows me to have my phone how I want it by flashing Rom's or
make my life easy with new member made apps.
And from day One it plagued me that wonderful chefs and people would upload there work to Mega upload and other Upload services, which don't get me wrong Is free and well they do there own thing. But what grind my gears was that you had to wait a few seconds and or you could only download one file per IP or whatever.
I friend and I are working on a service for all you chefs or people who have files to contribute to xda developers and then sum. Basically what this is, is a file hosting site for roms and kernels and other files related to flashing modifide phones. Currently I'm testing the site on my own server at home make sure things work well
Here are the features.
1. Free Because, you people(insert Robert downy jr joke here) do this with out charging us the users.
2. upload space of 500 megs (more to come)
3. when file is uploaded in your GUI there will be a link that will send you a email with the url of the file so you can share it with the world, Or here.
More to come. also please tell me what you think of this Idea and also I hope the mods put in a sticky or something so developers/chefs can see this and be updated for when we roll out the site. Also you may ask your self "why would they do that and lose money on server space and all this crazy shenanigans. Well We plan to put ad's (I know horrible frickin ad's :0) and if they hearts are willing donation would hurt. But please in no way is necessary.
Anywho I'm off Is late and as Im sure I misspell half of this post for lack of sleep please forgive me.
http://mhamptontech.com/sgs4g/
I am working to create an archive of all roms, source code, modems, and kernels for the Galaxy S 4G. I am adding them as I download them and am working to make this a complete source for everything related to this phone. This site will remain up forever and will provide people with whatever they need.
If developers would like to use this to host their roms I can create an FTP account for them upon request, or I will add it within a few days of it's post in the forums. The only thing I ask is that people don't post links to these roms in other locations and instead link to the forum post of the developer. Support our developers!
I have plenty of space and bandwidth to host anything and everything, but if developers use their FTP to host non-Android things their account will be removed. Also donations are always appreciated as server space costs money!
I would love to have an ftp. I have been having space issues everywhere. Could you PM me when you have it set up?
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Sure thing airfluip I'll get to that as soon as I have FTP working properly.
I'll be working on filling in everything over the next few days. After that if there is anything I don't have there feel free to make requests.
not trying to knock your suggestion cause i think its a great idea, but this should be in the general section and not the dev section. believe it or not, but the devs do check that section every so often. one thing i would like to ask though is, how much space and bandwidth do you actually have, cause if its limited, there might be some issues since the dev work gets downloaded from here A LOT and with updates and all that, it will just eat at your bw. also with the space, if devs keep developing more roms/scripts/kernels or whatever they develope, that too will get eaten up. like i said though, i think its a great idea and if you would like, pm me or hit me up on gtalk [[email protected]] and maybe we can talk about this some more.
agreed.....
Space I have 60GB, and I have another server with 250GB that I can overflow to if necessary. Bandwidth, I have 2TB, and another server that has 3TB if it runs out. I'm not going down without a fight .
Also, if this should be in general. A mod can move it .
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Space I have 60GB, and I have another server with 250GB that I can overflow to if necessary. Bandwidth, I have 2TB, and another server that has 3TB if it runs out. I'm not going down without a fight .
Also, if this should be in general. A mod can move it .
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well, i have an offer for you then. like i said though, either pm me or hit me up on gtalk as i don't wanna post anything here. trust me when i say you'll most likely not turn it down.
thanks for the offer man but ill prob pass on this as i keep my stuff on source forge
So tomorrow everything will be up at sgs4g.codedgraphx.info (droidmyst's server) with a mirror at sgs4g.mhamptontech.com\
Any devs who want ftp talk to droidmyst.
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Any devs who want ftp talk to droidmyst.
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here's the deal guys. any devs who want ftp access to my server, just pm me. same rules will apply when uploading. what i'll probably be doing is create seperate folders for each dev who wants access and set it up so they only can access that folder via ftp, that way there won't be any accidental deleting from other devs. so if you want access, pm me here or hit me up on my gtalk [[email protected]]
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here's the deal guys. any devs who want ftp access to my server, just pm me. same rules will apply when uploading. what i'll probably be doing is create seperate folders for each dev who wants access and set it up so they only can access that folder via ftp, that way there won't be any accidental deleting from other devs. so if you want access, pm me here or hit me up on my gtalk [[email protected]]
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Yes... "Accidental" deleting... Muahahaha.
This makes me so happy, awesome work. I had the same thought a few months ago, except my thought was to build it into an app for easy navigation and downloading. (I usually cwm flash from sd downloads)
This site semi-eliminates the need, but also would make it easier to build since there are clean direct links for download. Any objections to me toying around with that? Or if any other devs want to run with my idea, that's cool.. (understanding that it was intended to be a free app for us xda sgs4g users.)
currently i have only one person who wants to use my host. not bad since we've only started this a few days ago. as of right now, i'm currently playing with some flash templates for the home page to make it look good. there's nothing special there now, but i'll be updating it as i get my flash skills perfected once again. its been a while since i've played with flash. see you all around.